From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 1 03:36:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA06937 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:36:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id DAA06933 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:36:43 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f204.hotmail.com [207.82.251.95]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21831 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:16:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 27323 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 03:15:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201031534.27322.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.102.123.39 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:15:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.102.123.39] From: "Allan Haggett" To: ENLIGHTENER@footbag.org Cc: FREESTYLE@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] TWIRL RESPONSE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:15:33 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thanks to Scott Davidson for answering my hasty reply to to your reply to my original inquiry! I was in a nasty mood that day! Yup, I'm hitting it nice and clean like. And thanks to 'ceiling fan' for making me laugh. I'm now crystal clear on the twirl. For the record I have seen Jubal Hume hit 5 linking prdx torques(in the middle of a run). Personally I tried to see how many linking torques I could do the other day and hit 11! (me, dizzy?) Chard Cook saw me hit eight about a year ago. Also he told me not to say anything about it, (anyone who has ever met Jubal, knows how anal he can be about some things) but I feel the need to say that I witnessed him hit a gyro-butterfly-twirl the other day, and wanted to share that with the rest of ya out there. Though he may get criticized for his "style" (as I heard a few people saying at the 97' worlds) I gotta say that he has my utmost respect and admiration. nough' said. Allan H. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 1 03:58:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA07037 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:58:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id DAA07033 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:58:45 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f153.hotmail.com [207.82.251.32]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22060 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:38:06 -0800 Received: (qmail 13126 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 03:37:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201033736.13125.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:37:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: ENLIGHTENER@footbag.org, allan_haggett@hotmail.com Cc: FREESTYLE@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] torques MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:37:35 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Allen Hagget said: Personally I >tried to see how many linking torques I could do the other day and hit >11! (me, dizzy?) What's the record? Peter Irish has hit at least 16, right? Ken CF Somolinos nyf D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 1 07:31:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA01500 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:31:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id HAA01496 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:31:45 GMT Received: from hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.220]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24459 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:11:08 -0800 Received: from oak.csrv.uidaho.edu (oak.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.254]) by hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/) with ESMTP id XAA26640; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from OAK/SpoolDir by oak.csrv.uidaho.edu (Mercury 1.43); 30 Nov 98 23:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpoolDir by OAK (Mercury 1.43); 30 Nov 98 23:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason Peppin" Organization: University of Idaho To: "Allan Haggett" Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:09:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [freestyle] TWIRL RESPONSE CC: FREESTYLE@footbag.org Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19981201031534.27322.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > From: "Allan Haggett" > To: ENLIGHTENER@footbag.org > Cc: FREESTYLE@footbag.org > Subject: [freestyle] TWIRL RESPONSE > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:15:33 PST > Thanks to Scott Davidson for answering my hasty reply to to your reply > to my original inquiry! I was in a nasty mood that day! Yup, I'm hitting > it nice and clean like. And thanks to 'ceiling fan' for making me laugh. > I'm now crystal clear on the twirl. For the record I have seen Jubal > Hume hit 5 linking prdx torques(in the middle of a run). Personally I > tried to see how many linking torques I could do the other day and hit > 11! (me, dizzy?) Chard Cook saw me hit eight about a year ago. Also he > told me not to say anything about it, (anyone who has ever met Jubal, > knows how anal he can be about some things) but I feel the need to say > that I witnessed him hit a gyro-butterfly-twirl the other day, and > wanted to share that with the rest of ya out there. Though he may get > criticized for his "style" (as I heard a few people saying at the 97' > worlds) I gotta say that he has my utmost respect and admiration. nough' > said. > Allan H. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > You're amazing, dude! You must be the best shredder in the world, I'm in awe absolute awe of your superiority. Why don't you write more often and tell everyone how good you are, I mean afterall the only thing better than watching someone shred is reading about them talk about how good they are. You're right about one thing, though: Jubal Rocks! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 1 18:04:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA24831 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:04:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id SAA24754 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:04:37 GMT Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA30098 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:44:04 -0800 Message-ID: <19981201174544.19585.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.254.186.48] by send103.yahoomail.com; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:45:44 PST Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: Zohar Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] TWIRL RESPONSE To: Jason Peppin , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ---Jason Peppin wrote: > You're amazing, dude! You must be the best shredder in the world, > I'm in awe absolute awe of your superiority. Why don't you write > more often and tell everyone how good you are, I mean afterall the > only thing better than watching someone shred is reading about them > talk about how good they are. You're right about one thing, though: > Jubal Rocks! Alright, Jason, there's no room for your sarcasm on this list. Did you ever think that some members are actually friends who like to hear what their buddies are doing since they last met? I haven't met either of these guys, but I'm always happy to hear personal records, cool new moves someone hit, etc. Footbag is a community where people interact communicatively. If you don't like to read what people are hitting, maybe you shouldn't be on the list, or rather maybe you should look within yourself to find the cause of your fear, intimidation, and hostility. I do admit to some people going a little overboard about what they're hitting, but I don't think the 300 sum freestylers on the list need to hear your demeaning remarks. Even I have "checked" a person or two in *private* about their boasting, but I regret it now. If you want to make enemies, you have found the secret. Oh, and gee, it was so nice of you to throw a positive twist on the end about your agreement regarding Jubal. I've never met you, Jason, do you go to any tournaments? Do you have any friends? How is your home life? Would you like talk about it? Relax, bro Eli Monster, member of the Big Add Posse, who has hit such mind-boggling tricks as paratoxic, nuclear whirl, ducking ps whirl, ducking pdox drifter, and butterfly. now that's boasting. :-D _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 1 18:34:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA00153 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:34:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id SAA00121 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:34:26 GMT Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (mcfs.whowhere.com [209.1.236.44]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA30592 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:13:54 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Dec 1 10:13:15 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:13:15 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] Re:TWIRL RESPONSE, "Eli the Man" X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Eli Monster, member of the Big Add Posse, who has hit such >mind-boggling tricks as paratoxic, nuclear whirl, ducking ps whirl, >ducking pdox drifter, and butterfly. > >now that's boasting. :-D Damn!!!! Eli, I have to say that the other moves and that Big Add thing are nice... But a Butterfly!!!! You are the man--but can you bust that on both sides?? :-( :-0 :-D :-) ;-) Later, Ian "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 1 19:28:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA09782 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:28:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31421 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:04:29 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA29200 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:04:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from port53.ts1.auck.sinesurf.co.nz(210.55.217.53) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029165; Tue Dec 1 13:04:09 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:05:43 +1300 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] List moderation - official policies Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi folks. I turned off moderation for a day while I went to New Zealand (which is where I am now) and look what happened. I've turned it back on again. Expect 12-hour delays for your posts. Here is the etiquette and list rules one more time. Note that this is *not* an exhaustive list; there are other reasons why your postings may be rejected, and I or another moderator will always explain them to you when the situation warrants. -- REGULATIONS: ------------------------------------------------------------ - Cross-posting is a violation of list policy and will not be tolerated; - Replying with an entire digest volume unedited is a violation of list policy and will not be tolerated -- you are expected to remove all but the specific lines of the original message to which you are replying, or you should never include the original message in your reply; - Spamming (including blatant commercial advertising) is a violation of list policy and will not be tolerated; - Posting *anything* unrelated to footbag is a violation of list policy and will not be tolerated -- this includes "important" messages about horrific e-mail viruses, hunger-striking dissidents in the Czech Republic, and the death of monarchs; - Flaming, or the use of offensive/hateful language or insulting behavior is a violation of list policy and will not be tolerated. - The discussion lists are *not* an anonymous medium; sign your name to all messages, or be sure your name is in your return address, or your messages will be rejected. Feel free to say whatever you wish in private e-mail. The lists constitute a public forum, monitored for adherence to the set policies, and violators will be ejected. If you're not sure, e-mail the list manager at to speak with a human *before* you post a potentially unacceptable message. -- ETIQUETTE: -------------------------------------------------------------- When replying to a message as a digest member, please try to edit the "Subject:" line to correspond to the actual subject to which you're replying. It helps people track various discussions, especially when looking back using the online archives. So someone posting with "Subject: Re: Freestyle Digest" is a bit ambiguous. If one wanted to go back and see what was said then you wouldn't be stuck looking through hundreds of messages with the wrong topic. If you're not on the digest, and you want to reply, use your mail system's "reply" command. But if your mail program automatically sends to all recipients when you reply to mail, *please* change this setting (if possible). It is considered *terrible* etiquette to reply to the list when you really only need to communicate directly with another individual -- you will frequently want to reply only to that person and not to the list, so be sure that is the "default" behavior in your mail program. (Sending to the list is always something you should undertake intentionally and consciously. We have over 400 members now, and not everyone needs or wants to see every correspondence that results from a posting.) There are many basic questions you may want to ask, such as "What is it, where can I get it, what do I need, how do I find..." but since there are literally hundreds of subscribers, *please* visit the online "Frequently Asked Questions" section of the Footbag Worldwide Website at BEFORE sending inquiries to the list. You might find what you're looking for there. (See above.) Since there are so many people subscribed to one list or another, please send posts to the proper list: "cross-posting" (posting a message to more than one list, or to the wrong list) can cause lots of confusion to someone not involved in the conversation. It is also terribly unfair to quote someone out of context by copying their message in your reply to a different group than the original conversation. Be sure to always reply to the individual who sent the message by default, and *not* to the list. If you choose to send your reply to the list, do so explicitly by typing the name of the list into the Cc: line, or by using your e-mail program's "reply to all" command. Be sure that you reply to the *correct* list -- look at the incoming message's "To:" and "Cc:" lines to ensure where each message you receive was sent. Finally, it is considered good etiquette to sign all of your messages. We're not looking for long-winded signatures, just your real name. People on the list want to get to know you; but if you send out e-mail with no signature (i.e., first *and* last names), few will remember who you are by your e-mail address alone. Remember, we're likely to meet each other at events or random get-togethers. Also, many people joining the list are already well-connected and well-known in the footbag community -- but if you don't sign your name nobody will know who you are! The footbag discussion lists are not intended to be anonymous. On the flip side, the administrators of this list guarantee not to give the mailing list out to anyone for any reason. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 3 06:16:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA02956 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:16:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17602 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:00:12 -0800 Received: by mail.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:58:14 +1300 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C23C964@mail.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Ernest Crvich'" Cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Triadon? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:58:11 +1300 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Finally hit triple paradon yesterday, altho it was more of an atomic paradon, coz I planted after the first dex. yay. -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Crvich [mailto:ecrvich@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, November 26, 1998 6:01 AM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Triadon? What moniker, if any, has been bestowed upon a Paradon with one more dex? Alas, I haven't executed this yet, but plan to someday (if I can fit it into my calendar). Surely others have already done so, yes? toe > op o-i > same o-i > same o-i > op clip Wistfully thinking wishfully, Ernesto -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 05:04:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA03118 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 05:04:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA270 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:19:48 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1ED8.CBF43120@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:20:09 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE1ED8.CBF43120@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Triadon Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:20:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote... >Finally hit triple paradon yesterday, altho it was more of an atomic >paradon, coz I planted after the first dex It wasn't more of an atomic(tapping). It was a tapping paradon. Much different than a "Triadon". I-man From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 05:05:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA03133 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 05:05:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from icarus.idirect.com (icarus.idirect.com [207.136.80.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08993 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:44:58 -0800 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25479 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from fatenet32.idirect.com (fatenet32.idirect.com [207.136.87.224]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA11867 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by fatenet32.idirect.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1EFD.8D6C5980@fatenet32.idirect.com>; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:43:16 -0600 Message-ID: <01BE1EFD.8D6C5980@fatenet32.idirect.com> From: Rob Howe To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Eclipse? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:43:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Okay, My last post didn't get replyed to so I kept trying but to no avail. What is the key to hitting an eclipse? -Rob for the Second Time :) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 09:12:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA05752 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:12:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f98.hotmail.com [207.82.250.217]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13933 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:18:55 -0800 Received: (qmail 21559 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1998 08:17:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19981204081744.21558.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:17:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org, ewulff@jsishipping.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triadon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:17:44 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all >Adrian Dick wrote a few days ago: > >>Finally hit triple paradon yesterday, altho it was more of an atomic >>paradon, coz I planted after the first dex To which Eric Wulff replied: >It wasn't more of an atomic(tapping). It was a tapping paradon. Much different than a "Triadon". I disagree. A tapping paradon would have four dexes. Also, atomic and tapping are different. Atomic is just a reverse mirage set, whereas tapping is a reverse mirage followed by a same side mirage. From what he wrote, i think Adrian hit an atomic paradon: an atomic set followed by a double dex with the same leg, ending in an op clip delay. Ceiling Fan (ken somolinos) nyfD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 21:48:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA23009 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:48:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f235.hotmail.com [207.82.251.126]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA16120 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:35:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 20543 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1998 11:35:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19981204113501.20542.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.145 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 03:35:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.145] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triadon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 03:35:01 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Gang, >Adrian Dick wrote: > >>Finally hit triple paradon yesterday, altho it was more of an atomic >>paradon, coz I planted after the first dex >To which Eric Wulff replied: >>It wasn't more of an atomic(tapping). It was a tapping paradon. >>Much different than a "Triadon". To which Ceiling Fan wrote: >I disagree. A tapping paradon would have four dexes. Also, atomic >and tapping are different. Atomic is just a reverse mirage set, >whereas tapping is a reverse mirage followed by a same side mirage. >From my understanding atomic implies that the next element(dex) comes from the other leg, and taping implies a there and back again, a consept I always called Hobbit (or there and back again). What the mighty Adrian described is a consept that I took the liberty a while back of naming tapped out, which just means that while doing multi dexes from the same leg there is a plant inbetween. Now then, on a totally unrelated subject for some reason a few days ago I started going crazy with frigidosis (sp?) moves, some what hampered by the fact that my ancles don¥t bend very far that way. So far I¥ve hit blurry frigidosis, mirajing frigidosis, paradox mirajing frigidosis, legover frigedosis (both directions), pixi frigidosis, and blurry legover frigidosis, which if it hasn¥t already been named I¥m tenatively calling a Refrigerator. Now you¥ll have to excuse me I have to go strech my ancles. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 21:51:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA23034 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.208.133.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19962 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:18:34 -0800 Received: from [204.148.145.160] (d160.focal11.interaccess.com [204.148.145.160]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA03206; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:18:10 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BE1ED8.CBF43120@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:20:38 -0500 To: Eric Wulff , "'freestyle'" From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triadon Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >>Finally hit triple paradon yesterday, altho it was more of an atomic >>paradon, coz I planted after the first dex Iron man wrote: >It wasn't more of an atomic(tapping). It was a tapping paradon. Much >different than a "Triadon". Shredders... Eric and I have finally worked out (eric hasn't seen this yet, though) what we believe to be a workable nomenclature for describing "stepping" and/or "tapping" moves so that even though they are technically the same move, they can be simply described. For instance, triadon is distinctly different from tapping paradon, in that triadon is done without a plant. The same holds true for tapping/stepping moves. Most of the newer tapping/stepping moves are modifications of existing moves, with the extra dex inserted. To distinguish them, the wording was confusing before... for instance, some people would say "Stepping double whirl", others would say "Stepping whirl" and would be talking about the same move. So here it is, please poke holes in it, as this is just so we are all on the same page with these types of moves... "When describing a move with an extra dex due to a stepping or tapping motion, simply call it the same name and add stepping or tapping in front of it, and that indicates an additional dexterity." i.e.: blurrier is also tapping down double down (indicating 3 dex's) The confusion was from people not sure if the "stepping/tapping" word indicated the extra dex or not. So lets feel free to discuss it, I am glad that Eric and I are on the same page with this finally, I hope everyone likes this description style. Please comment. See ya! Scott. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 21:51:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA23042 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from webster.lcc.ctc.edu (lcc.ctc.edu [134.39.132.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22705 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:59:29 -0800 Received: from lab2.ctc.edu (134.39.132.46) by webster.lcc.ctc.edu (WORLDMAIL 1.3.166) for freestyle@footbag.org; 4 Dec 1998 13:02:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204130408.006994cc@lcc.ctc.edu> X-Sender: gehrmanaj@lcc.ctc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:04:08 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] last message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whut up shredders? Just so everybody knows, I won't be on the list serve again until Jan. 4th. Everybody shred hard this Christmas. Torch From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 21:51:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA23047 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21948 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:11:22 -0800 Message-ID: <19981204201122.23319.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.254.194.117] by send106.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:11:22 PST Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:11:22 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Triadon?- tapping, atomic, etc. To: freestyle@footbag.org, Eric Wulff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup, you's guys and gals I'm going to have to go with Wulffy on this one. A "Tap" itself is not a 2 dex move, it's an adjective. You can do a "tapping mirage", "tapping whirl", "tapdown", etc. For those of you who don't know, Tapdown is (from a toe set) reverse mirage > same leg butterfly, like doing a paradon with a plant in the middle. So Adrian is doing a "Tapping Double Down". "Atomic" is when you do a reverse mirage followed by an OPP leg dex. "Tap" is when you do a rev mirage followed by a same leg dex. Get me??? One last thing, Eric, do you still think a paradox tapdown (barfly w/ plant in middle) is paradox?? Anyone else? Later, Eli Monster _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 21:51:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA23073 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19111 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:11:10 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA04221; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:10:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx5-54.ix.netcom.com(207.94.121.182) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004181; Fri Dec 4 11:10:25 1998 Message-ID: <36681AC3.293E@utdallas.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:24:19 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeN Somolinos CC: freestyle@footbag.org, ewulff@jsishipping.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triadon References: <19981204081744.21558.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: > > > I disagree. A tapping paradon would have four dexes. Also, atomic and > tapping are different. Atomic is just a reverse mirage set, whereas > tapping is a reverse mirage followed by a same side mirage. This has been a point of confusion for me for a while. I know that on the moves list, 'tap' is a double dex move. toe > op OUT (o-i) > same IN [i-o) > op toe But, I have heard this called a tapping mirage by many people. So, what is real? Is a 'tap' the same as an 'atomic same side mirage'? When I think atomic mirage, I think atom smasher. I guess what I thought is that a tapping set is related to an atomic set the same way that a stepping set is related to a blurry set. In other words, I thought 'tapping' meant 'atomic same side'. If it doesn't, what about a tappadon? toe > op OUT (plant) > same OUT > op clipper. Would that be called atomic butterfly? If so, what does legbeater become? The reason I thought tapping was just one dex is that it would clear up all of this confusion. Where did my logic go wrong? I agree with Adrian in saying that what he did was a tapping paradon - sick move and congratulations by the way. Am I in the minority? Do most people think of a tap as a double dex move? Let me know so I can start sticking the right name with the right move. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 21:51:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA23079 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22075 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:16:16 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QHCGa12607; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:07:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5dbab383.366840e8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:07:04 EST To: footbug@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org, ewulff@jsishipping.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triadon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 12/4/98 3:53:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, footbug@hotmail.com writes: > atomic paradon: an atomic set followed > by a double dex with the same leg, ending in an op clip delay. i thought atomic moves were moves that the atomic dex. on one side and then the other dex(s) were done with the other side? If this is true(which i'm not saying is) would an atomic paradon be a fusion? Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 4 21:57:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA23149 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:57:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from webster.lcc.ctc.edu (lcc.ctc.edu [134.39.132.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22705 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:59:29 -0800 Received: from lab2.ctc.edu (134.39.132.46) by webster.lcc.ctc.edu (WORLDMAIL 1.3.166) for freestyle@footbag.org; 4 Dec 1998 13:02:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204130408.006994cc@lcc.ctc.edu> X-Sender: gehrmanaj@lcc.ctc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:04:08 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] last message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whut up shredders? Just so everybody knows, I won't be on the list serve again until Jan. 4th. Everybody shred hard this Christmas. Torch From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 5 04:40:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA12190 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:40:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA347 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:35:22 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1F9B.BF759A60@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:35:40 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE1F9B.BF759A60@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] triadon shtuff Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:35:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id XAA24769 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What it izzzz you-all... Regarding some shtuff goin round about "tap", "step" & "triadon. Scott D and myself had a private little discussion a couple of months ago about the "stepping" concept. If I read correctly, I'm doing this quickly, we came up with exactly what he stated in his e-mail yesterday. This would also apply to the "tap" concept. "Taps" and "Steps" are descriptions of sets and not moves exactly. Within these descriptions 1 dex is implied. This hasn't yet been shared with the masses because, 1. I believe that many already see it this way and, 2. Scott and I haven't had the time to "put it out there". Watcha all think now that it's "out there". Also, when Scott wrote... >blurrier is also tapping down double down I think he meant that a blurrier is a "down stepping double down" or a "stepping down double down". Not tapping. Elie wrote... >One last thing, Eric, do you still think a paradox tapdown (barfly w/ >plant in middle) is paradox?? Now we could be getting into a whole lotta @#%*! Here goes.. No! and this is where i'm coming from. Why would there be a paradox in this move just because there is a plant when there is no paradox in it without a plant? I don't believe there should be a paradox in any move that goes from one side cross body to the other side cross body when the dexes are "op out". Perhaps not even when they are "op in". But that's a different story and those that know me know that I've been sayin this for YEARS. Steve Goldberg and I collaborated on a great definition of "paradox" that covers for this very theory. Steve? Thanx Kenny! Very Funny... Ha! Elie also wrote... >Anyone else? So I also write... Anyone else? PLEASE DON'T REPLY DIRECTLY TO MY ADDRESS AS THIS IS MY WORK AND I CAN'T HAVE THIS MUCH PERSONAL FLOW ON MY E-MAIL. I'LL READ THE LIST. ironman From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 5 04:41:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA12196 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:41:08 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25256; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:46:32 -0800 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0ZXVa23495; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:41:29 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <42d4ced5.36688139@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:41:29 EST To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] My thoughts on a few things Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, After really putting a lot of time into some hardcore sacking lately, I've discovered a few things, but first some premise... I've been kicking for about 4 years, got serious last year, and I think I'm makin okay progress. I don't get much exposure to other kickers, but I enjoy myself as it is. Anyways, after a few months with a pair of lavers and a 20 dollar Dream footbag, I've discovered I perform the best, and feel in control the most wearing a pair of tevas I got 2 years ago and a 2 dollar Guat hack that I half-filled with bbs. 70 dollars later (which I truthfully don't regret. I like my lavers and my Dream 'bag), I found I'm in my element with stuff that hardly cost me at all. Makes you wonder some times. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Matt "I just don't get Jobs' Notation" Cross From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 5 04:41:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA12208 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:41:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f204.hotmail.com [207.82.251.95]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26015 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:30:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 20969 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1998 01:30:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19981205013005.20968.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:30:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org, ewulff@jsishipping.com, Nageylum@aol.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triadon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:30:04 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone. Josh Childs wrote: >i thought atomic moves were moves that the atomic dex. on one side and then >the other dex(s) were done with the other side? If this is true(which i'm not >saying is) would an atomic paradon be a fusion? By your definition no, a fusion would be an atomic double over down by your definition. Still, can we clarify what an atomic set is? Isn't it just a reverse mirage set? Ken "CF" somolinos nyfD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 5 04:42:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA12215 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:42:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: NikeekiN@aol.com Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25582 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:09:17 -0800 Received: from NikeekiN@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UBMCa16640 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:08:36 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <240650bc.36688794@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:08:36 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Sweeeeeet!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I just wanted to tell everyone that my Lavers came in the mail along with tricks of the trade and a facile juice!!!! I tried them on to make sure they fit, and then took them off and my mom snatched them away and said wait until christmas. So now I have to wit until then to get everything. Oh well, i think i will able to wait. LATER Nick A. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 5 04:42:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA12221 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:42:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f209.hotmail.com [207.82.251.100]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26238 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:39:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 4511 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1998 01:38:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19981205013851.4510.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:38:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org, enlightener@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triadon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:38:51 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all. Scott Davidson wrote: >blurrier is also tapping down double down (indicating 3 dex's) OK, now i am confused. i always thought tapping was a reverse mirage set from a toe ending in a plant. I always thought stepping was just like a blurry set, but not followed by a pdx. Isn't blurrier a stepping down double down? Confused Fan. (ken somolinos) nyfD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 5 05:00:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA12326 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:00:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA361 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:35:44 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1FC5.B5BAF720@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:36:03 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE1FC5.B5BAF720@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] din't catch me yet Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:36:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id EAA12295 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I said... >I don't believe there should be a paradox in any move that goes from one side cross body to the other side cross body when the dexes are "op out". Perhaps not even when they are "op in". However, what I meant was... when the dexes dexes are "same out" or perhaps even "same in". Forget that op shtuff. What it wazzzn't... iron man From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 5 05:08:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA20797 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:08:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28105 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:43:42 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA14109 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:43:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx5-54.ix.netcom.com(207.94.121.182) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014090; Fri Dec 4 22:43:34 1998 Message-ID: <3668BD1C.2972@utdallas.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:57:27 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: tapping, atomic and nuclear. was - Re: [freestyle] Triadon References: <19981205013005.20968.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: > > a fusion would be an atomic double over down by > your definition. Still, can we clarify what an atomic set is? Isn't it > just a reverse mirage set? > An atomic set is a toe set reverse mirage followed by an op dex. A tapping set is a toe set reverse mirage followed by a same dex. Atomic paradon can NOT exist because the double dex would be with the setting leg - making it an atomic double over down. By the same reasoning, a tapping double over down can not exist. You can have only an atomic double over down... Ok. Here's a question for Eli and Eric... is there a distinction between nuclear sets that go to op or same dexes? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 6 05:47:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA13567 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 05:47:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA31896 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:12:26 -0800 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA29050; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:19:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: Deliciously Saucy Josh Penney To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: tapping, atomic and nuclear. was - Re: [freestyle] Triadon In-Reply-To: <3668BD1C.2972@utdallas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org watch me quibble over minutae: > > a fusion would be an atomic double over down by > > your definition. Still, can we clarify what an atomic set is? Isn't it > > just a reverse mirage set? > > An atomic set is a toe set reverse mirage followed by an op dex. A > tapping set is a toe set reverse mirage followed by a same dex. No! the original 'tap' was the basis for this name so how could it require a dexterity? Tapping (reverse miraging) lap catch, tapping teardrop, tapping squeeze, tapping diving osis- these contain no additional leg-flapping and yet they would still be called 'Tapping'. > Atomic paradon can NOT exist because the double dex would be with the > setting leg - making it an atomic double over down. By the same > reasoning, a tapping double over down can not exist. You can have only > an atomic double over down... Even if 'atomic' constrains which leg does what and when, 'tapping' shouldn't. So while 'atomic paradon' can't exist, a tapping double over down CAN. It must, or what would you call the move that started this thread? "Triadon with a foot put on the ground between 1 and 2 because the style of the move is done in such a way where 1 is done with the upper part of the leg with a giant hip shift..." Or create a new name? Too late- cat's outta the bag. JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 6 06:09:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA22191 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:09:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f192.hotmail.com [207.82.251.81]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13397 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:43:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 26720 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 1998 00:16:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19981206001625.26719.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.25.108.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Dec 1998 16:16:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.25.108.130] From: "James Holt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] las vegas NM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 16:16:25 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey Im going to las vegas New mexico in a week or so and I have nothing to do on the saturday and suday that Im there so if your in the area email me we can set up a time and place to freestyle. James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 7 13:48:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id NAA04713 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:48:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id NAA04709 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:48:46 GMT Received: from m9.sprynet.com (m9.sprynet.com [165.121.1.209]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20072 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 05:27:45 -0800 Received: from newmicronpc (sfr-pci-pqr-vty36.as.wcom.net [209.154.140.36]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25691 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:45:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812051945.LAA25691@m9.sprynet.com> Reply-To: From: " Jane Jones" To: Subject: [freestyle] Re: Looking for someone... Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:49:52 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there everybody, I just found out a kicker named Wendy moved to Seattle from OR(I think?). Anyway, Her number was accidentally deleted off of my machine... If anyone knows who Wendy is and also happens to have her new number or an email or anything...a last name, it'd be cool if you'd let me know. We're going to be kicking all weekend and I'm sure she'd be bummed to miss out on it. Thanks! Adios, Jane From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 7 14:24:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id OAA13289 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:24:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id OAA13285 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:24:03 GMT Received: from exchange.docutech.com (docutech.com [207.239.14.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20237 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:03:03 -0800 Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:04:12 -0500 Message-ID: <2FE1EC1B4F2ED211B34C00104B2268D102020B@EXCHANGE> From: TJ Young To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:04:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, A few days ago I started hitting (I think) blurry setting ducking clipper & butterfly. Im not sure if they have names or not, but Im wondering if anyone knows of any cool variations of this kind of thing. I was told to ask Eric Wulff? TJ From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 7 23:47:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA12868 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:47:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id XAA12864 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:47:41 GMT Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA364 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:26:45 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE21F6.0B621000@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:27:04 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE21F6.0B621000@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Ripped Warrior Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:27:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org TJ wrote... >A few days ago I started hitting (I think) blurry setting >ducking clipper & butterfly. Im not sure if they have names or not, but >Im wondering if anyone knows of any cool variations of this kind of >thing. I was told to ask Eric Wulff? >TJ Into a butterfly is "Ripped Warrior". Step into a Diving Butterfly is a "Jack Knife". iman From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 8 05:38:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA18460 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:38:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id FAA18456 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:38:34 GMT Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA32384 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:17:40 -0800 Message-ID: <19981208051945.6784.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.254.191.115] by send104.yahoomail.com; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:19:45 PST Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] essay on the tapping/atomic thing & the like To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there, you all. Here's a bit of what I think about the recent debates: > Still, can we clarify what an atomic set is? Sure, since I'm the one who coined the name. It spawned from Atomsmasher. I thought, "isn't it annoying to say reverse-miraging whirl and such?" So then I thought, "hmm, it could be an atomic whirl (like an atomsmasher)." This can be applied to all the atomsmasher-esque moves. There aren't many of them: atomic whirl, atomic drifter, atomic torque, atomic blender, and maybe 1 or 2 more. Then someone posted on the list that they thought the PARADOX reverse miraging set should get a name, which I was originally against for some reason. So "Nuclear" stuck. Same as all the atomic moves, except done paradox. Btw, I agree with Eric on the Paradox Tapdown (bar-plant-fly) not deserving a paradox element. I asked because Eric posted that shooting same-side butterfly SHOULD get paradox, and I don't agree with that, I guess Eric doesn't either now, given that shooting and nuclear are virtually identical in motion and placement. I think what makes these paradox is going back to the other side to complete that hip-swivel thing. > Ok. Here's a question for Eli and Eric... is there a distinction between nuclear sets that go to op or same dexes? Sure there's a distinction. If it goes to opp dex after the nuclear set, then it's not paradox and therefore not Nuclear. Shooting is a bit different, in that it doesn't imply paradox; it's a very unique set. Atomic and tapping are distinguishable by name, so I think Nuclear and ClipperSet-Tap should, too; tapping cannot be paradox. does anyone think it needs a separate name, in which case, any ideas for a name? JP wrote: > the original 'tap' was the basis for this name so how could it require a dexterity? Tapping (reverse miraging) lap catch, I agree that stating, "tapping is rev mirage followed by same dex" is oversimplified. But it does distinguish between atomic and tapping quite well. > ..., or what would you call the move that started this thread? ...Or create a new name? Well, from the beginning i thought it should be "Tap Double-Down", since the 2 dex version is simply "tapdown". I, like Adrian, don't care for this "moves having 10 different names thing". How does "tap double-down" sound? Anyone?... is anyone still reading?... ... and I'm out Eli Monster _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 8 07:38:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA20062 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:38:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id HAA20058 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:38:43 GMT Received: from nccn.net (nccn1.nccn.net [209.79.220.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00529 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:17:50 -0800 Received: from left (tc2-170.nccn.net [209.79.221.170]) by nccn.net (8.8.8/8.8.6-NR-RGS-98.04.07-) with SMTP id XAA05244 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:17:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001301be227a$bd079da0$aadd4fd1@left> From: "Stuart Smith" To: Subject: [freestyle] videos 96&97 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:15:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello my name is Lon Smith and I am looking for the 96 and 97 raw shred videos put together by Tuan Vu. If anyone can help me contact him or anyone who will send me great footage then please send me a message. LON From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 9 01:16:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA26904 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:16:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id BAA26900 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:16:33 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14108 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:55:47 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA19701 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:55:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx9-02.ix.netcom.com(207.94.123.130) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019523; Tue Dec 8 18:54:12 1998 Message-ID: <366DCDB9.73E7@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:09:13 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] videos 96&97 References: <001301be227a$bd079da0$aadd4fd1@left> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stuart Smith wrote: > > Hello my name is Lon Smith and I am looking for the 96 and 97 raw shred > videos put together by Tuan Vu. If anyone can help me contact him or anyone > who will send me great footage then please send me a message. > LON Sorry... I don't know Tuan or Tu's email, but I'm glad you asked about these tapes. For everyone that is new to the list, these tapes went on sale about this time in '96 and '97. Though they don't have a lot of the newer players - they are mostly all BAP from before '97 worlds - there is some serious shred on them. If you want to see what is up with all of the talk about Kenny Shultz, get these tapes. '97 Shred is still one of my favorites. I've worn the tape out on the Sacred Automotive Jam section. I still believe that the automotive jam is the best shred session on tape. Sorry I wasn't of any help... I just thought I would make you want these tapes even more. Good luck with your search. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 9 01:53:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA02771 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:53:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA30621 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:40:10 -0800 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA11636; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:47:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:47:37 -0500 (EST) From: Deliciously Saucy Josh Penney To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] little trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Who wants to help me with leaning mirage? For that matter, who's got a really solid inspin that wants to share the wealth? JP p.s. The word "symposium" translates into "dinner party", and a "barfly" is a person who spends waay too much time in the bathroom. Probably from all the barfing. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 9 02:12:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA11307 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:12:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id CAA11303 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:12:35 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14941 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:49 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA26206 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:51:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx9-02.ix.netcom.com(207.94.123.130) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026175; Tue Dec 8 19:50:42 1998 Message-ID: <366DDAFF.7283@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:05:51 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] barrage, barroque and such Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there everyone. I have a question regarding barrages. I practiced them for about a week a while back and started getting them pretty regularly. Then, I stopped trying them. Now, I hit them infrequently at best no matter how much I practice them. I have found that it is easier to set them out of an osis. If I try to set them out of something without that little spin in there, I 'the' the dex alot. Any advice on how to make this cleaner and more consistent? Next question - barroque. First, is that the right spelling? Besides the obvious problem of not being able to hit barrage on demand, what else should I try to skool to start hitting this move? When I set barrage off of an osis, it just doesn't seem like it would be that hard to keep going with the spin and get the barroque, but it is. What should I concentrate on? Would pdx torque be good practice for barroque? I'm thinking maybe accentuate that first dex a bit and then go into a pdx torque type of motion (yes I know that it isn't really paradox) to get that other dex and osis out of the move... Just a thought. Any advice from those of you who can crank out this move? I should've asked before Ahren left the list. Oh well. And, my last question. What about a stepping torque. I've seen a few people hit blurry torque, but never a stepping torque. Surely someone has, right? Ryan? Eric? Peter? who's hit this? Thanks in advance for the tips. Later. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 9 04:08:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA13141 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:08:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id EAA13137 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:08:00 GMT From: ShReDStEiN@aol.com Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16988 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:47:14 -0800 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WGUIa28827 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:40:28 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <39ffef5e.366df12c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:40:28 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] pixie-whirl Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org THis may sound like a corny move but it took me quite a few tries to hit this the other day.. I was wondering if there was a name for it... or if others (Daryl) have hit it... thanx. God bless ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 9 10:28:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id KAA18239 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:28:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id KAA18235 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:28:50 GMT Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA249 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:08:07 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE2318.CEC421A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:08:26 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE2318.CEC421A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] I said what about paradox? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:08:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id KAA18236 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eli said... >I asked because Eric posted that shooting same-side butterfly SHOULD get paradox I did? When? Please copy and post it if I did. Get it straight Monster-man! This seems to be your interpretation of one of my postings. I believe you are miss-quoting me. The only thing related, that I remember, is copied and posted again here. It is consistent with my non-paradox theory on the tapping barfly. Remember that I said the paradox only comes into play on "same in dex" from the X-body set.(2 postings on 12/4 regarding). What I said was(10/27/98 posting)... >I don't believe there is a paradox in a shoot as it is. However, I do think that the paradox concept would be switched to the other side of your body for doing any dexes which follow the shoot. i.e., in a shooting paradox mirage, the "paradox" in the "mirage" would come into play on your support leg instead of your set leg. Can ya dig it? Also, Eli, confirmation on your atomic and nuclear please... 1. An "Atomic" set is a tap>OP in or out dex 2. A "Nuclear" is the same except the tapping dex is "same" from x-body set instead of "op from a toe". What many would call a paradox reverse mirage set. . What it iz eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 9 16:57:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA01891 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:57:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA13447; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:23:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:23:41 -0500 (EST) From: Deliciously Saucy Josh Penney To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] I said what about atomic? In-Reply-To: <01BE2318.CEC421A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Also, Eli, confirmation on your atomic and nuclear please... > > 1. An "Atomic" set is a tap>OP in or out dex > 2. A "Nuclear" is the same except the tapping dex is "same" from x-body set instead of "op from a toe". What many would call a paradox reverse mirage set. . So that means I can't do an atomic x-body sole or atomic spinning forehead stall? If the word is used in the same manner as "p@r@do%" (i.e., not only a set but a constraint of what follows) it makes it hell'a difficult to explain to other people - not that anyone *wants* to know freestyle terminology but it's hell'a confusing to those who are trying to pick the game up. Since when do I care? I don't hell'a know. I just wanted to say "hell'a" again. JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 9 19:34:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA21060 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:34:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id TAA21056 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:34:36 GMT Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25563 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: <19981209174528.12983.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.254.186.4] by send1e; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:45:28 PST Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:45:28 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] I said what about paradox? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ---Wulffy wrote: > Eli said... > >I asked because Eric posted that > shooting same-side butterfly SHOULD get paradox > > I did? When? Please copy and post it if I did. "----A few days ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Intergalctic wrote about shooting... >The butterfly or mirage themselves are not >paradox, but going to these after a shooting set makes the 2nd dex in >the shoot paradox. --then Eric responds: If it was so, than the second dex would be paradox no-matter what you did after it. For example, if I set for a paradox leg-beater, but then do my butterfy dex with my set leg, instead of my support leg, the first dex would still be paradox . Can ya dig it?... ...I don't beleive there is a paradox in a shoot as it is. However, I do think that the paradox concept would be switched to the other side of your body for doing any dexes which follow the shoot. > Can ya dig it?----" Ok, there is some misunderstanding on my part. You were saying if there was a paradox element in a shoot, then it wouldn't matter which dex comes afterwards. What I stated a couple days ago assumed that you DO think there is a pdox in a shooting trick. I overlooked those key words, "IF IT WAS SO". Sorry, I'll be more careful. > Also, Eli, confirmation on your atomic and nuclear please... > > 1. An "Atomic" set is a tap>OP in or out dex > 2. A "Nuclear" is the same except the tapping dex is "same" from x-body set instead of "op from a toe". What many would call a paradox reverse mirage set. . > Well, I think "atomic" might be oversimplified. Atomic by your definition would include eggbeater, legbeater, etc. Here's my definition: "atomic" = tap > OP in dex Apply this to what you said about "Nuclear" and you're correct. Laterrrrrr, Monstermannnn _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 10 03:28:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA20154 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:28:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id DAA20150 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:28:17 GMT Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA177 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:06:18 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE23A7.0C41C4E0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:06:38 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE23A7.0C41C4E0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] confirmed as possible Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:06:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ssup you-all! Eli said dis... >Well, I think "atomic" might be oversimplified. Atomic by your definition would include eggbeater, legbeater, etc. Here's my definition: "atomic" = tap > OP in dex Apply this to what you said about "Nuclear" and you're correct. I ain't got no definition mang. Just wanted to clarify what yo'z wuz. Dig it! Chillin! Thanx Biff! Very ineresting... very, very interesting. on the out-take... eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 10 14:35:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id OAA00028 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:35:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id OAA00023 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:35:52 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07687 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:13:58 -0800 Received: from pc0966.software.mitel.com (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00283 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:15:58 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:15:58 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812101415.JAA00283@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] flyers Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:14:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be2447$609666e0$c136c786@pc0966.software.mitel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > I was curious what quiltless was? Is it like tripless, guiltless, and > tiltless? This whole discussion kind of shot over people's heads and was never clarified. "quiltless" was a typo. Eric meant to say "guiltless". Kicking "quiltless" flyers in the park could be very cold, especially where I live. It would attract attention though. Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 10 23:27:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA28003 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:27:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id XAA27999 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:27:51 GMT Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14046 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:05:59 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA12148 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:05:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx10-49.ix.netcom.com(207.94.124.113) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012036; Thu Dec 10 17:04:31 1998 Message-ID: <36705728.1315@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:20:08 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie-whirl References: <39ffef5e.366df12c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ShReDStEiN@aol.com wrote: > > THis may sound like a corny move but it took me quite a few tries to hit this > the other day.. I was wondering if there was a name for it... or if others > (Daryl) have hit it... thanx. God bless > > ~Bryan Far from a cheesy move... As far as I know, there isn't a name for it. I've seen many people crank this out - James Roberts, Eric Burgess and Jeremy Keller to name a few. I'm sure Rippin', Daryl, Tuan, Ryan, Eli, Aaron deG and others could hit it. Do you have really strong pdx whirls? I'm thinking that that is why I'm not able to hit pixie whirl. I have a good enough pixie set, just the whirl isn't fast enough. Any advice? Get back to me. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 00:32:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA14422 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:32:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA14416; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:32:01 GMT From: ShReDStEiN@aol.com Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15056; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:10:10 -0800 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2VAa028831; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:40:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9e8f1002.36705c08@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:40:56 EST To: reiddm@magma.ca, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: [freestyle] flyers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 12/10/98 6:15:29 AM, reiddm@magma.ca wrote: <<"quiltless" was a typo. Eric meant to say "guiltless".>> I believe he meant to say "quitless" and that is a little more insane that kicking without apparel where you live dave... quitless refers to that which consist of "all 5's or above" so far it is not used often save a couple of hein shredders in BAP... if I'm wrong on any of this feel free to reply From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 03:04:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA03922 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 03:04:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id DAA03918 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 03:04:49 GMT From: SHAHRAYAR@aol.com Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17024 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:42:59 -0800 Received: from SHAHRAYAR@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id AVZYa17651 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:24:47 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:24:47 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] videos 96&97 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello my name is Lon Smith and I am looking for the 96 and 97 raw shred videos put together by Tuan Vu. If anyone can help me contact him or anyone who will send me great footage then please send me a message. LON I know you can contact Tu Vu at tuhuge@sfsu.edu he can talk to Tuan for you Jim From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 06:09:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA27002 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:09:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id GAA26998 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:09:30 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18686 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:47:42 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00287 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:49:49 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:49:48 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812110549.AAA00287@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: RE: RE: [freestyle] flyers Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be24c9$f7cd35c0$0305bfce@dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9e8f1002.36705c08@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > <<"quiltless" was a typo. Eric meant to say "guiltless".>> > > I believe he meant to say "quitless" and that is a little more insane that > kicking without apparel where you live dave... quitless refers to > that which > consist of "all 5's or above" so far it is not used often save a couple of > hein shredders in BAP... if I'm wrong on any of this feel free to reply If you aren't wrong then I will be so shocked that smoke will come out of my ears. He did say that he put together a string of *30* "quiltless" FLYERS. If those flyers were 5 add and above....... double spinning butterfly kicks? Doesn't this make for a funny discussion??? :) Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 06:28:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA27465 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:28:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id GAA27448 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:28:17 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f285.hotmail.com [207.82.251.176]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18805 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:06:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 20587 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1998 06:05:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19981211060558.20586.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.60.118.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:05:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.60.118.137] From: "Allan Haggett" To: pepp9508@novell.uidaho.edu Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] "I'm so egotistical" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:05:57 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On, Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:09:05 -0800Subject: Re: [freestyle] TWIRL RESPONSE Jason Peppin wrote: >You're amazing, dude! You must be the best shredder in the world, >I'm in awe absolute awe of your superiority. Why don't you write >more often and tell everyone how good you are, I mean afterall the >only thing better than watching someone shred is reading about them >talk about how good they are. You're right about one thing, though: >Jubal Rocks! Sorry it's taken me so long to respond Jason, but I don't own a computer and have been quite busy. I only just read this about three days ago when I didn't have time to respond. Zohar Piltz pretty much summed it up for me though. thank you Zohar for your eloquent response. I do however want to say something myself. Jason, call me sensitive, but you hurt my feelings. I think you owe me an apology. After re-reading my message that you found so offensive, I could only say that MAYBE I sounded a little overzelous. I am proud to be able to say that I hit 11 linking torques, though, and so would you. I was just excited to be able to get input about something that only three other people in my everyday life truly understand. This discussion group rocks! It's helped me to no end just reading how the technical notation works, amoung other things. If people didn't talk about the higher end stuff and what their hitting then what would the point be? Jason? All I can say, with well deserved sarcasm, is: Hey! if you really think I'm that good, then e-mail me your home address and I'll mail you an autographed picture at no cost! Thank you for your support. P.S. Jubal says thanks too! Allan H. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 07:47:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA22486 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:47:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id HAA22482 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:47:15 GMT Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19456 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:25:27 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA13183; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:22:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from dhcptest75.atext.com(206.66.71.234) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013136; Fri Dec 11 01:21:53 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981211060558.20586.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:23:44 -0800 To: "Allan Haggett" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] "I'm so egotistical" Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:05 PM -0800 12/10/98, Allan Haggett wrote: > I do however want to say something myself. Then please say it *PRIVATELY*. This discussion is over on the public list. If anyone continues to post messages on this topic, I will remove you from the list. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 12:01:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id MAA31112 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:01:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id MAA31108 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:01:29 GMT From: Nageylum@aol.com Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21710 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 03:39:43 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PHBHa19922; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:38:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26b22920.36710434@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:38:28 EST To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie-whirl Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 12/10/98 11:18:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, scalf@utdallas.edu writes: > Do you have really strong pdx > whirls? I'm thinking that that is why I'm not able to hit pixie whirl. I don't think the pdx whirl has to much to do with pixie whirls, this move I've tried and didn't have to much trouble with it on my weak pdx whirl side, but then when tried it with the stronger of the sides the move grew to be a much more difficult task. I think the key is the pixie set. If any confusion, feel free to hit me. Josh Childs Derric Scalf sorry i think i send this to you an extra time. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 15:55:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA07180 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:55:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id PAA07176 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:55:47 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23237 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:34:02 -0800 Received: from pc0966.software.mitel.com (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00288 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:36:12 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:36:11 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812111536.KAA00288@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: [freestyle] New-bee Q's Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:34:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be251b$c161a820$c136c786@pc0966.software.mitel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <26b22920.36710434@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just a few quick questions: 1. What are "the" and "tha"? 2. When doing a legover, I recently changed from timing it as set-hopdex-catch to set-hopdex-hopcatch (Dave's Hop Notation (tm) ), and it became really easy. Are more hops better, or should I be doing set-dex-hopcatch? 3. Derric Scalf made the suggestion of curling my toes when I do a clipper. Do other people do this? It doesn't seem to gain me anything to do it, but if everyone does it, I guess I should too. 4. Did/Do any of you guys do any exercises without the footbag to improve your strength and speed? I've been occasionally dropping the bag and just hopping from foot to foot, concentrating on landing on the balls of my feet and bending my landing leg. Thanx, Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 17:26:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA02921 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:26:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from law-f114.hotmail.com (law-f114.hotmail.com [209.185.131.177]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id RAA02917 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:26:00 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by law-f114.hotmail.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22892; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:03:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frankgut@hotmail.com) Message-Id: <199812111703.JAA22892@law-f114.hotmail.com> Received: from 139.67.16.18 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:03:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [139.67.16.18] From: "Frank Gutowski" To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org, ewulff@jsishipping.com Subject: [freestyle] Hello footbag freaks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:03:25 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody, I just wanted to let any and everyone know that there will be a tourny on the weekend of April 18, 1999 in Charleston, IL. If anyone wants to to come and join some of the best kickers in the Mid-West please come on out. If you have any questions please call me(Frank) at (217)-345-5743. I am expecting a big turn out so please come. I also wanted to let it be known that I am just coming off an injury, and if there is anyone in the Mid-West who wants to kick hard over the holidays get ahold of me, and lets do some kicken. Frank Gutowski ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 20:04:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA25584 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:04:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id UAA25580 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:04:50 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f272.hotmail.com [207.82.251.163]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26706 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:43:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 18999 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1998 19:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19981211194228.18998.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:42:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: pepp9508@novell.uidaho.edu, allan_haggett@hotmail.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:42:27 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! Allan Haggett defended himself by saying: >I was just excited to be able to get input about something that only >three other people in my everyday life truly understand. This discussion >group rocks! I know what you're talking about. I think it's cool that we have this online community where we can babble on for days about how we should change the add system so marius gets a paradox. Not that many people would know what the hell I was talking about in many other parts of my life. Viva freestyle discussion list. Ceiling Fan (ken somolinos) nyfD PS-as They Might be Giants put it: The Sun is a huge atom-smashing machine. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 20:08:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA25661 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:08:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id UAA25657 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:08:20 GMT Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26893 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:38 -0800 Message-ID: <19981211183049.29686.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.254.194.96] by send104.yahoomail.com; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:30:49 EST Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:30:49 +1100 (EST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: RE: [freestyle] flyers To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > ... quitless refers to that which > consist of "all 5's or above" I'm pretty sure it was a typo. As far as I know, QUADRUPLESS is 5s and higher. C'mon, Eric, put this to rest. Did you mean "Guiltless", or what? ELI _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 20:11:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA25695 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:11:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id UAA25691 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:11:28 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f165.hotmail.com [207.82.251.51]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27082 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:49:45 -0800 Received: (qmail 19652 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1998 19:49:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19981211194914.19651.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:49:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org, reiddm@magma.ca Subject: Re: [freestyle] New-bee Q's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:49:14 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. Dave Reid wrote: > >4. Did/Do any of you guys do any exercises without the footbag to improve >your strength and speed? I've been occasionally dropping the bag and just >hopping from foot to foot, concentrating on landing on the balls of my feet Huh. Sometimes I jump up and down after I drop the bag, but i never noticed if I was landing on the balls of my feet. I'm usually too emotional. Ken "ceiling fan" Somolinos nyfD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 21:13:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA12139 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:13:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id VAA12135 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:13:39 GMT Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (pilot023.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.123]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28466 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:51:57 -0800 Received: from carrol39.user.msu.edu (carrol39.user.msu.edu [35.10.19.183]) by pilot023.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA32358 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:51:55 -0500 Received: by carrol39.user.msu.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BE251E.3F32E820@carrol39.user.msu.edu>; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE251E.3F32E820@carrol39.user.msu.edu> From: carrol39 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: RE: RE: [freestyle] flyers Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:52:24 -0500 Encoding: 31 TEXT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Actually, Cameron and I came up with "Brainless" as a good way of saying "I can shred so hard that even I do not comprehend the sheer number of adds I'm putting in." Well, 5 adds and higher anyway. -Thomas "Big Toe" Carroll -----Original Message----- From: Eli Piltz [SMTP:ezshredz@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 1:31 PM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: RE: [freestyle] flyers > ... quitless refers to that which > consist of "all 5's or above" I'm pretty sure it was a typo. As far as I know, QUADRUPLESS is 5s and higher. C'mon, Eric, put this to rest. Did you mean "Guiltless", or what? ELI _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 11 21:21:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA12253 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:21:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id VAA12249 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:21:52 GMT Received: from vortex.more.net (vortex.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28549 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:00:10 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA22460 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:00:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [freestyle] flyers Message-Id: <000000341632996254795@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:59:55 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.0.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, Dec 11, 1998, 12:30:49 PM US CST Eli Piltz wrote: >> ... quitless refers to that which >> consist of "all 5's or above" > >I'm pretty sure it was a typo. As far as I know, QUADRUPLESS is 5s >and higher. I think going all 4's or better should simply be referred to as "Going Quad"; all 5+ rallies should simply be called "INSANE"! ______________________________________ Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 12 00:03:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA30870 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:03:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA30774 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:03:54 GMT Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA175 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:42:13 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE251C.DEA32B60@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:42:33 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE251C.DEA32B60@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] uh... yeh! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:42:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's about time... someone wrote... >I believe he meant to say "quitless" and that is a little more insane that kicking without apparel where you live dave... quitless refers to that which consist of "all 5's or above" so far it is not used often save a couple of hein shredders in BAP... if I'm wrong on any of this feel free to reply ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! @#&*! YEH! eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 12 00:09:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA02888 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:09:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA02884 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:09:48 GMT Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA209 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:48:07 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE251D.B1A34860@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:48:27 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE251D.B1A34860@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] flyers Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:48:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org typos are more fun than flyers... ironman From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 12 03:54:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA03270 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:54:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id DAA03266 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:54:37 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00314 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:35:12 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:35:12 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812120335.WAA00314@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] uh... yeh! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be2580$52a8fa40$7205bfce@dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01BE251C.DEA32B60@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > It's about time... > > someone wrote... > > >I believe he meant to say "quitless" and that is a little more > insane that > kicking without apparel where you live dave... quitless refers to > that which > consist of "all 5's or above" so far it is not used often save a couple of > hein shredders in BAP... if I'm wrong on any of this feel free to reply > > ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! @#&*! YEH! > > eric I'm really glad that Eric cleared that up for everyone... sigh So did you stick with easy tricks, like double spinning butterfly kick and triple spinning dragonfly, or did you do some of the more hein "quitless" flyers, like the flying spinning down double kick and the flying spinning double legover? Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 12 18:32:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA26156 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:32:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id SAA26152 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:32:43 GMT From: Jmw480@aol.com Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09757 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:11:10 -0800 Received: from Jmw480@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2BHQa28824; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:09:52 EST To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] barrage, barroque and such Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Casablanca - Windows sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok, i have a question that i am not quite sure how to explain but hear it goes. Is there such a move as a gyrating mirage set. Kind of like a pixie set but from the clipper. A set that maby could lead to a gyrating blur, or would a set like this be more of a tha. If anyone can answer my question or needs more detail to my vague discription please respond. I wounldn't want to practice a move that isn't even a move. Thanks. Jeff From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 12 21:06:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA15308 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id VAA15302 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:54 GMT Received: from nccn.net ([209.79.220.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11218 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:45:21 -0800 Received: from left (tc2-146.nccn.net [209.79.221.146]) by nccn.net (8.8.8/8.8.6-NR-RGS-98.04.07-) with SMTP id MAA08013 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:45:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ce01be260f$809d25e0$92dd4fd1@left> From: "Stuart Smith" To: Subject: [freestyle] pixie whirl Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:24:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have never hit pixie whirl because I've never practiced it much. I had a friend back in High School who couldn't even shred more that a few moves and not even at all close to guiltless who hit pixie whirl a couple of times. I think the key is to set the pixie in the exact right place for the whirl and spin with the move. The pixie leg has to come down to the right spot on the ground too so that you can push off into the whirl. Please learn this difficult move I love how it looks. Especially when there is a lot of spin. LON From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 12 21:06:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA15312 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id VAA15307 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:55 GMT Received: from nccn.net ([209.79.220.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11223 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:45:23 -0800 Received: from left (tc2-146.nccn.net [209.79.221.146]) by nccn.net (8.8.8/8.8.6-NR-RGS-98.04.07-) with SMTP id MAA08016 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:45:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00cf01be260f$819149e0$92dd4fd1@left> From: "Stuart Smith" To: "footbag" Subject: [freestyle] re:marius Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:30:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is LON and I don't know what a marius is. Please explain, Thanks. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 13 03:42:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA26927 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:42:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id DAA26923 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:42:39 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f295.hotmail.com [207.82.251.186]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17480 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:20:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 11341 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 1998 03:19:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19981213031941.11340.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.60.118.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:19:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.60.118.234] From: "Allan Haggett" To: reiddm@magma.ca Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:19:36 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:34:35 -0500, Dave Reid wrote: >Just a few quick questions:1. What are "the" and "tha"? >2. When doing a legover, I recently changed from timing it as >set-hopdex-catch to set-hopdex-hopcatch (Dave's Hop Notation (tm) ), >and it >became really easy. Are more hops better, or should I be doingset->dex-hopcatch? >3. Derric Scalf made the suggestion of curling my toes when I do a >clipper. >Do other people do this? It doesn't seem to gain me anything to do >it, but >if everyone does it, I guess I should too. >4. Did/Do any of you guys do any exercises without the footbag to >improve >your strength and speed? I've been occasionally dropping the bag >and just >hopping from foot to foot, concentrating on landing on the balls of >my feet >and bending my landing leg. Dave, I can't answer your first question, though I hope somone does. As for your second and third questions though, I'd say that it's defineatly good to ask, but you kinda answered your own question. You said that after you tried a leg-over a certain way it was easier. Then that's the right way for you. Just Because "everyone does it" doesn't mean that that is going to be right for you. Do whatever feels comfortable. The thing that I love most about this sport/art, is that everyone has a different way of doing things. We all basically do the same basic moves, but, just as some three-adds are harder that some four's, it's not what you do, but how you do it. If you don't find it any easier to curl your toes while you do a clipper, then don't concentrate on doing it as you'll probably distract yourself from the true goal of landing a clipper consistently. The key word there: 'consistently'. Once you've tried and tried and finally hit it enough times, your muscle memory will develop so that you don't even have to think about it. As for your last question: I always stress the importance of stretching a little before your session and a lot after. Basic stretching will improve both your flexibilty and your strength. If that's not enough then try standing on a stair with just the balls of your feet on it(the rest of your foot is off the edge), lowering and raising yourself while balanced as slowly as possible. Twenty to thirty reps of that a day can increase your vertical by as much as six inches within a couple of months. Also, bending your base leg is one the keys, it provides most of the cushioning and enertia to catch the bag and then propel it into a set. Other than that, just do as many active things as you can enjoy doing and everything else will fall into place. Allan H. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 00:14:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA05541 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:14:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA05537 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:14:20 GMT Received: from ra.nilenet.com (root@ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26106 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:52:16 -0800 Received: from unknown (slip53.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.55]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA03010 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:49:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19981201031534.27322.qmail@hotmail.com> References: Conversation <19981201031534.27322.qmail@hotmail.com> with last message <19981201031534.27322.qmail@hotmail.com> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Daryl Genz" Subject: Re: [freestyle] TWIRL RESPONSE Date: Sun, 13 Dec 98 17:17:40 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id AAA05538 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just wanted to put my $0.02 in on this post. ---------- > I'm now crystal clear on the twirl. For the record I have seen Jubal > Hume hit 5 linking prdx torques(in the middle of a run). Personally I Woah! I remember seeing jubel hitting paradox torque w/ease back at worlds in '96, but FIVE! That's awesome! Where was Jubal at worlds this year? And, where can we get some video of this guy? Man, P-toruqe to P-torque (Genzu) is (IMHO) one of the most difficult momentum transitions there is in the game, and he did it FOUR times. I smell BAP. I only had to do it once in front of Rippin to get in (even if it was nearly 5 years ago). Peace, Genzu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 00:29:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA06006 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:29:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09920 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:32:57 -0800 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA12809; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: Deliciously Saucy Josh Penney To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] barrage, barroque and such In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > more detail to my vague discription please respond. I wounldn't want to > practice a move that isn't even a move. Thanks. Practicing moves no one can do is the most worthwhile thing you *can* do. But they call that one 'zoom'. JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 00:35:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA14541 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:35:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23119 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:31:53 -0800 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA25873; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:39:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:39:23 -0500 (EST) From: Deliciously Saucy Josh Penney To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] questions In-Reply-To: <19981213031941.11340.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, Allan Haggett wrote: > On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:34:35 -0500, Dave Reid wrote: > > >Just a few quick questions:1. What are "the" and "tha"? One and same. To "the/a" a dexterity means when you don't actually circle a bag with your foot, you're just making circles in air. Some of us prefer to dexterity everything at the ankle, so there can be no question about it. Most questioning of a performed move being "the/a" comes about when dexterities are performed with the lower half of the foot. JP I had to write that 3 times to keep 'the' word out. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 00:43:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA14618 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:43:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA14614 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:43:16 GMT Received: from ra.nilenet.com (root@ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26403; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:21:14 -0800 Received: from unknown (slip53.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.55]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id RAA04092; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:18:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19981128210815.006b8c78@students.wisc.edu> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Matthew Kain Lewandowski" , "Daryl Genz" , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Daryl Genz" Subject: Re: Fw: [freestyle] consecutive records Date: Sun, 13 Dec 98 17:46:34 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id AAA14615 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matthew, ---------- > tarrage? > Huh? Sorry JP, but what is this one? > Matthew Kain Toe set Barrage = Tarrage (Also, toe set flurry = entarrage (or however you want to spell it). > > > >Five Add, > >Paradox Torque: 3 > >Paradox Legbeater: 5 > > Correction, Jubal ===> 5 P-torques. Later, Genzu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 00:54:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA15066 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:54:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA15062 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:54:46 GMT Received: from ra.nilenet.com (root@ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26486 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:32:44 -0800 Received: from unknown (slip53.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.55]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id RAA04523 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:30:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Daryl Genz" Subject: [freestyle] '98 Heart of Vegas Jam Update Date: Sun, 13 Dec 98 17:58:08 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id AAA15063 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org '98 Heart of Vegas Jam Update: 1. No, you're not too late, the '98 Heart of Vegas Jam is being renamed: The 1999 Heart of Vegas Jam. (Even though the last one was in '97 ( which is was had me confused in the first place)). 2. SPECIAL ANNUUNCEMENT!!! RIppin', who will definitly be in attendance at the 1999 Heart of Vegas Jam, will also be getting ...*Married* to his girlfriend (and now Fiancee (I have no idea how to spell that silly french word ;->)) Sherri Rutledge. 3. The host hotel will be the same as last year, The Stratosphere. For those of you lookling to save money, there is also a nice motel directly across the street. I personally don't know the name of it ... anyone?? Kicking locations will be held within walking distance of the Strat. Also, it looks like a few pople, Including myself will be arriving Thursday night, though probably not kicking untill Friday. See you there, Genzu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 00:59:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA15460 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:59:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA15456 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:59:58 GMT Received: from ra.nilenet.com (root@ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26519 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:37:56 -0800 Received: from unknown (slip53.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.55]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id RAA04681 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:35:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Daryl Genz" Subject: [freestyle] Jam in Vegas (NOT the 99 Heart of Vegas Jam) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 98 18:03:21 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id AAA15457 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Special Announcement, Eric Windsor and friends will be having a Jam in Vegas over New Year's! (As well as attendting the 99 Heart of Vegas Jam in February). So If you can't make it in Feb, here's your chance - Vegas is ROCKIN at New Year's so don't miss out on either one. Contact me for more info, Genzu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 05:21:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA01084 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:21:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id FAA01080 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:21:37 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA31937 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:59:36 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00265 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:01:23 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:01:23 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812140501.AAA00265@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] '98 Heart of Vegas Jam Update Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:00:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be271e$b44e8720$4605bfce@dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > 1. No, you're not too late, the '98 Heart of Vegas Jam is being renamed: > The 1999 Heart of Vegas Jam. (Even though the last one was in '97 ( > which is was had me confused in the first place)). Just wondering... Do you guys welcome newbies at this kind of thing? I'd love to come and learn, and maybe snag some video. Maybe I could even witness some consec records :) Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 05:35:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA10050 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:35:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id FAA10046 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:35:28 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA32068 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:13:28 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00264 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:15:36 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:15:35 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812140515.AAA00264@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] questions Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be2720$b0775580$4605bfce@dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > > >Just a few quick questions:1. What are "the" and "tha"? > > One and same. To "the/a" a dexterity means when you don't actually circle > a bag with your foot, you're just making circles in air. Some of us > > JP Damn, there goes credit for my reverse mirages :( Does the/a stand for something? Where did the name come from? Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 05:56:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA10768 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:56:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id FAA10764 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:56:11 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA32136 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:34:10 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00258 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:36:18 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:36:18 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812140536.AAA00258@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: [freestyle] Dec.98 Consec Records Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:35:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be2723$94c61260$4605bfce@dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here is the list of consec records based on what has been posted or sent to me so far. I know that this isn't totally accurate, so send me your corrections. I would prefer if the records were witnessed. If I get alot of response, I will include the top 3 scores for a given move. Any suggestions of what to add are welcome... Dave ---------- Unofficial consecutive records: Double ATW: 18 (Rippin) Double Switchover: 5 (Damian!) Drifter: 34 (Hu-mungis) Osis: 186 (Kosmo) Whirl: 39 (Regulator) Symposium Mirage: 17 (Regulator) Atom Smasher: 8 (Adrian Dick) Barfly: 9 (Hu-mungis) Blender: 7 (Rippin) Paradox Drifter: 8 (Hu-mungis) Paradox Whirls: 17 (Hu-mungis) Ripwalk: 23 (Genzu) Smear: 26 (Regulator) Symposium Whirl: 7 (Regulator) Blurry Whirl: 5 (Regulator,Enlightener) Paradox Blenders: 3 (Hu-mungis) Paradox Legbeater: 5 (Genzu) Paradox Symposium Whirls: 4 (Regulator) Paradox Torque: 5 (Jubal), 3 (Genzu) Tarrage: 6 (Genzu) Guiltless quiltless flyers: 30 (Ironman) 2 bag juggling: 182 (Genzu) 3 bag juggling: 19 (Genzu) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 06:19:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA20129 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:19:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id GAA20125 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:19:03 GMT Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA32260 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:57:03 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA08933; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:55:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from dhcptest71.atext.com(206.66.71.230) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008915; Sun Dec 13 23:55:45 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801be2720$b0775580$4605bfce@dave> References: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:57:42 -0800 To: "Dave Reid" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: RE: [freestyle] questions Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:14 AM -0500 12/14/98, Dave Reid wrote: > Does the/a stand for something? Where did the name come from? Okay, let's stop saying "the/a" -- that's just more confusing than anything else. It's "the". "The". As in "the". "The". Just "the". Not "/a", not "tha", not "the/a", not "thea", not nothing else. Just "the". "The." Like the first word in the sentence that starts, "The quick brown fox...". It's pronounced with a schwa e (yeah, I know, the coincidence is astounding since as far as anyone knows, nobody in the Schwa footbag club can hit any dexterities -- it's freaky that way :-)). Oh, but "the" is not to be confused with the French word "the", which with an acute accent on the "e" means "tea", which has nothing to do with the freestyle term "the". The name came from Kenny Shults (as did about 90% of all the terms in this game). I think he borrowed it from somewhere else, but it basically comes from the fact that "the" is a pretty vacuous word in English -- doesn't really have any meaning; just as a trick that you miss doesn't really have any value. So, you'd call a trick "the" when someone who thinks they're doing a trick actually misses it. The most typical thing is to fail to truly do a dexterity -- i.e., the bag is nowhere near your leg when your leg supposedly goes around the bag. You might say "hey, that trick was 'the'" if someone is under the false assumption that they're going guiltless when in fact they failed to seal one of their tricks in the string, thereby guilting unwittingly. (To be polite :-) you can just cough "the" under your breath. :-)) Of course, if you go back and read the archives you'll probably find this description about ten other places, too, but perhaps this is my most coherent posting on the topic to date. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 20:05:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA19151 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:05:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id UAA19147 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:05:11 GMT Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (pilot014.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.114]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06720 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:43:16 -0800 Received: from carrol39.user.msu.edu (carrol39.user.msu.edu [35.10.19.183]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA24832 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:43:12 -0500 Received: by carrol39.user.msu.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BE2770.2A0D7CE0@carrol39.user.msu.edu>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE2770.2A0D7CE0@carrol39.user.msu.edu> From: carrol39 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: RE: [freestyle] '98 Heart of Vegas Jam Update Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:43:49 -0500 Encoding: 45 TEXT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I may have missed the message, but I'd be interested to know if there is going to be a Christmas Jam in the Mid-West for those of us who can't quite make it to Vegas? I'm thoroughly strapped for cash, and the flight is way out of reach. Please let me know if anyone has the info. Btw, any hints to hit pdx mirage, it's giving me no end of grief. -Big Toe Thomas Carroll -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Genz [SMTP:genzu@footbag.org] Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 8:58 PM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] '98 Heart of Vegas Jam Update '98 Heart of Vegas Jam Update: 1. No, you're not too late, the '98 Heart of Vegas Jam is being renamed: The 1999 Heart of Vegas Jam. (Even though the last one was in '97 ( which is was had me confused in the first place)). 2. SPECIAL ANNUUNCEMENT!!! RIppin', who will definitly be in attendance at the 1999 Heart of Vegas Jam, will also be getting ...*Married* to his girlfriend (and now Fiancee (I have no idea how to spell that silly french word ;->)) Sherri Rutledge. 3. The host hotel will be the same as last year, The Stratosphere. For those of you lookling to save money, there is also a nice motel directly across the street. I personally don't know the name of it ... anyone?? Kicking locations will be held within walking distance of the Strat. Also, it looks like a few pople, Including myself will be arriving Thursday night, though probably not kicking untill Friday. See you there, Genzu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 14 21:33:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA06487 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:33:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id VAA06379 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:33:25 GMT Received: from vortex.more.net (vortex.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07893 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:11:31 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24602 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:11:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [freestyle] questions Message-Id: <000000345302996514676@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:11:16 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.0.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, Dec 13, 1998, 11:39:23 AM US CST Deliciously Saucy Josh Penney wrote: >about when dexterities are performed with the lower half of the foot. > >JP >I had to write that 3 times to keep 'the' word out. And you still failed. ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle a proofreading fossil From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 15 00:48:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA05748 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:48:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id AAA05744; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:48:38 GMT From: ShReDStEiN@aol.com Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11429; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:26:41 -0800 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3NVJa25933; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:21:46 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:21:46 EST To: brat@footbag.org, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, reiddm@magma.ca Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: [freestyle] questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thats the first time I've heard that word actually explained thoroughly... for some reason I've always thought of it as underground taboo... thanx steve really From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 18 22:07:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA23532 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:07:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id WAA23527 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:07:57 GMT Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (mcfs.whowhere.com [209.1.236.44]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04164 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:46:01 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Fri Dec 18 13:45:44 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:45:44 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] MUFF Is Back!!! X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello one and all kickers, I just wanted to let everyone know that the University of Missouri-Columbia has officially recognized MUFF (MizzoU Footbag Fanatics) as a university organization. We will focus primarily on freestyle, though all disciplines will be welcome and will be practiced when we feel like it or when the appropriate kickers come along. Now, a special thanx goes to Joe Marschall, he is the creative mind who developed our acronym(BTW where the hell are you JOE??? You are coming to Columbia this Christmas, right??) And finally, a tremendous thank you to the Stanford University Footbag club and all its members--though I did not ask (SORRY!!), I used your constitution as an outline for what articles ours should include, and it worked beautifully--thank you very much! Though there will hopefully be a local tourney here in Columbia this Summer, Derrick??...Josh??, we will not be able to use the University to sponsor a larger tourney until the following Summer(2000). But keep your eyes peeled and expect a big one then. Don't worry about someone else not doing it, from the looks of it I will still be at the University for many years to come...*hehe* I can be reached at (573)442-5684 or at 'ezian@theglobe.com' if anyone nearby, or far away, wants to hook up with us. Thanks to those of you who took the time to read this message, and... Come Style Wit' Us!!!! Late y'all, Ian Dubman President, MUFF P.S. Our V-P is Josh Bowen, Secr. is Thom McElhaney, and Treas. is presently Jonathon Dahm. Local stylers: Derrick and Ida Fogle, Leonard "Sparky" Griswell, and Jeremiah Riely "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 18 22:29:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA24543 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:29:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id WAA24538 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:29:24 GMT Received: from vortex.more.net (vortex.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04661 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:07:27 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA22901; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:07:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [freestyle] MUFF Is Back!!! Message-Id: <000000357372996863641@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:07:21 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.0.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org, ezian@theglobe.com (Ian Dubman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, Dec 18, 1998, 2:45:44 PM US CST Ian Dubman wrote: > Now, a special thanx goes to Joe Marschall, he is the creative mind who >developed our acronym(BTW where the hell are you JOE??? You are coming to Hey, now, I want the credit for first suggesting the club acronym of "MUFF." I do believe it was my warped mind that first came up with it. Joe was just a more-than-willing partner in the matter. ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle as soon as I can do dives, I will be a MUFF diving fossil! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 18 22:37:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA00334 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:37:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id WAA00330 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:37:12 GMT Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04753 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:15:15 -0800 Received: from pc0966.software.mitel.com (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00204 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:17:25 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:17:24 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199812182217.RAA00204@homer.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] '98 Heart of Vegas Jam Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be2ad4$28eff380$c136c786@pc0966.software.mitel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > This is the official announcement for ... > > The 1998 Heart of Vegas Freestyle Jam > > - February 19, 20, 21 (Fri, Sat., Sun.) > - Las Vegas, Nevada > - Exact Jam location TBA, but get your plane ticket(s) TODAY! Just out of curiousity... How do you guys afford all this travelling??? Footbag must be far more lucrative than it seems! I just checked the prices on hotel rooms in Vegas, and it is painful. Maybe I can spend all night in a casino and sleepwalk in the day... :) Cheers, Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 18 22:48:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA00748 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:48:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id WAA00744 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:48:05 GMT Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (mcfs.whowhere.com [209.1.236.44]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04926 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:26:08 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Fri Dec 18 14:25:29 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:25:29 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] MUFF Is Back!!! X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I apologize for my misquote... I said... >> Now, a special thanx goes to Joe Marschall, he is the creative mind who developed our acronym Derrick says... >Hey, now, I want the credit for first suggesting the >club acronym of "MUFF." I do believe it was my warped >mind that first came up with it. Joe was just a >more-than-willing partner in the matter. So I say... Sorry "D", I had no idea that you could be that perverse-minded. Derrick also said... >as soon as I can do dives, I will be a MUFF diving fossil! My finally reply is... Guess that proves me wrong right there, that was pretty sick, I like it, hehe...We kickin' this weekend?? Answer personal or call... Finally I say, Late y'all!!! Mr Ian Dubman > "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 19 01:51:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA24311 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:51:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id BAA24307 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:51:27 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f126.hotmail.com [207.82.251.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06706 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:29:31 -0800 Received: (qmail 24488 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 1998 01:29:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19981219012900.24487.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.102.123.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:29:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.102.123.37] From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Skool demos Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:29:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Uh, whazzup! I have read in various WFA literature that there has been groups of players doing tours of schools around the states. Sole-Air Productions has been doing the same thing in our area(Victoria, BC), getting amazing response and pretty good money for our talents. I was just wondering if tours are still going on down south, whose doing them and if possible what kind of format are you using. We've got a really good presentation, and we certainly aren't running out of ideas, I was just curious to hear what other formats are out there. Maybe planting the idea in more players heads to get out there and expose this thing in an organized fashion would be a good way to start getting wider respect and options available for footbaggers. Judging by the amazment that is so evident on peoples faces as they watch shredders play, I'd say that there are a lot of people out there that would eat footbag up(paying good money out in the process) if they only had the oportunity to see it. Anyone? Allan H. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 19 13:11:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id NAA00148 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:11:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id NAA00144 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:11:23 GMT Received: from vlad.sci.fi (laatikko.saunalahti.fi [195.74.0.48]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA12211 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:49:00 -0800 Received: from elf.dlc.fi (elf [195.218.64.6]) by vlad.sci.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA28941 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:48:57 +0200 (EET) Received: from dlc.fi (user-521b-246.dial.inet.fi [195.156.183.246]) by elf.dlc.fi (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29675 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:48:55 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <367B9FEF.69049ABE@dlc.fi> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:45:35 +0200 From: Markku Vesa X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] take me off Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Please take me off the freestyle mailing list. Juho (vesama@dlc.fi) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 20 22:33:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA04531 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:33:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id WAA04479 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:33:33 GMT Received: from student.canberra.edu.au (student.canberra.edu.au [137.92.12.102]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01371 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:11:22 -0800 Received: from by student.canberra.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA13063; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:11:18 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:11:18 +1100 (EST) From: Nathan Bayliss To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Summer in qld Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy, if you don't know what qld stands for then this isn't of interest to you. I'm just interested to know if anybody plays footbag in the Gold Coast area, I'm currently in canberra but am going up there in a couple of days to stay for three weeks with my auntie who lives in Ashmore. If there's anyone who hacks around there, give me a shout and we could organise something, i'm pretty keen to get back into it since I got my appendix out a couple a weeks ago. Oh yeah, I just remembered - to the american readers, particularly the ones living in LA, what is(/are) the name(s) of some good sports shops, ie the kind that sell footbag stuff. I know you can get the stuff over the internet, but my gf has just gone over there with a student exchange thing for three weeks and I was wondering where you could buy lavers and facile bags from over the counter. Any names would be greatly appreciated... I'm trying to remember the name of the hotel place where she's staying...nup, can't remember. I do know that she's going to all the touristy places so if any of the sports shops are located around there that'd be even better. Thanks for your help From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 23 00:19:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA32394 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:19:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.ici.org (client.ici.org [198.6.202.60]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24794 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:01:48 -0800 Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:02:03 -0500 Message-ID: <2315A1936E0BD211A36400A0C9D18B014C3E1C@MAIL> From: "Payne, Neil" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Eastmust Jam info Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:01:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Shredders, The Eastmust Jam is sneaking up on the Nation's Capital with a quickness. As a reminder, it is scheduled to take place from 2 - 7pm on Saturday, Dec. 26 and at the same times on Sunday the 27th. For Directions to the site (the Old Post Office Pavilion), you can go to http://www.mapblast.com/ and type in the following for your destination: 1100 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest, Washington, DC 20004 If you get lost for some reason, the general number for the pavilion is (202) 289-4224. If someone answers they may be able to help you find your way. Please let me know if you need any more info (a place to stay...) Take care, Neil Payne (202) 518-2533 payne@ici.org ~ I will be reading email until 2pm eastern on the 24th From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 24 00:36:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA23434 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:36:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from student.canberra.edu.au (student.canberra.edu.au [137.92.12.102]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06075 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:02:39 -0800 Received: from by student.canberra.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA05637; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:02:26 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:02:26 +1100 (EST) From: Nathan Bayliss To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Anybody in queensland australia? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org c'mon, mail me if you're out there, I'm dyin' here From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 27 06:13:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA09097 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:13:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (pilot015.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.115]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA30527 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:08:13 -0800 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA20224 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:08:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199812270008.TAA20224@pilot015.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Taking a trip to New York To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:08:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Shredders, I'm on my way out the door for a week in the big city of New York, NY. If anyone lives in the area of Chinatown (or anywhere on the island for that matter) and would like to shred, reply to this e-mail and let me know what's going on. Thanks all! -Thomas "Big Toe" Carroll From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 28 17:42:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA19646 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:42:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13940 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:17:08 -0800 Message-ID: <19981228171232.917.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.254.191.30] by send1e; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:12:32 PST Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] You need new Lavers? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, hey, I have an extra pair of unworn Lavers that are too large for me. Brand new, in the box, and ready for modification. They are US size 9 (nine); say 8.5 (UK) on the sole. Will sell for under retail price. If you are interested, let me know. Thanks, Eli Piltz _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 29 08:41:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA05807 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:41:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18941 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:22:48 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA20187 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:22:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx46-36.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.164) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020105; Mon Dec 28 22:22:07 1998 Message-ID: <36885BF5.783B@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:35:01 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] all I want for Christmas is a good day of shred. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there freestyle list. I know everyone has been busy over the holidays and all, but I want to know how those holiday Jams are turning out... I haven't been able to kick in well over a week because of work, family, a cold and everything else. Hopefully, that will all change tomorrow when I host the first annual "I just got my car inspected Jam" here in Big D. Since the list has been dead, I've just been wondering... what kind of sick combos are people hitting now? I hope that I can make it to Las Vegas in a few months to see first hand, but for now, I have to live vicariously through email. So, this is an open invitation to everyone to (as some people on this list would say) brag about themselves or others. I'll start off the bragging by talking about some of the latest moves of the Dallas Footbag Club. Matt Strong and his P-hat ol' self is hitting toe set flux pretty easily now. He's also starting to throw pdx torque and toe set torque into some strings. James "the man" Roberts has a set that defies Job's notation. Imagine if you will... You have a right toe delay. The right foot is on the ground. Your left leg moves over the right foot (over the bag). Then, with your left leg still in the air, you jump off of your right leg sending the bag up in front of your left leg. It is a x-bdy toe set, except that the setting foot starts out on the ground. Anyway, he has hit torques, butterflies and mirages out of it. I have started trying some more fairy set spinning stuff. To date, I have fairy spinning butterfly, fairy gyro mirage, and fairy merkon. One day - maybe tomorrow? - I will hit fairy mobius. So, enough of my "bragging". Now, what all is being hit at these holiday Jams? I want to know what kind of wicked wicked moves/combos I can expect to see in Las Vegas. Let's liven up this list and get some discussion going about freestyle, huh? Later all. Happy holidays! -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 29 16:05:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA15378 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:05:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.208.133.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22729 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 06:23:42 -0800 Received: from [204.148.145.50] (d50.focal11.interaccess.com [204.148.145.50]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA22895; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:23:26 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36885BF5.783B@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:29:41 -0500 To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org From: "Enlightener (Scott Davidson)" Subject: Re: [freestyle] all I want for Christmas is a good day of shred. Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Derric and shredders! At 10:35 PM -0600 12/28/98, Derric Scalf wrote: >James "the man" Roberts has a set that defies Job's notation. Imagine >if you will... You have a right toe delay. The right foot is on the >ground. Your left leg moves over the right foot (over the bag). Then, >with your left leg still in the air, you jump off of your right leg >sending the bag up in front of your left leg. It is a x-bdy toe set, >except that the setting foot starts out on the ground. Anyway, he has >hit torques, butterflies and mirages out of it. That's called a zoid set. I used to do them, but it never caught on. I did zoid to butterflies and to mirages, never torques. Good job James!!! Keep it up. As for Val, Alex and myself, it looks like the common cold has taken over our family and we will not even be able to make it out to Ann Arbor for New Years. I have been able to keep shredding regularly through the holiday, and am primed and ready for a jam of any kind (raging tripless shred is at hand). If anyone is stopping over at O'Hare or Midway, give us some notice and we can shred there. That would be fun. The five hour drive to Ann Arbor, MI, will probably be too much for us at this point. We were really looking forward to it. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 31 09:05:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA24624 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:05:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10942 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:19:42 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA10947; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:19:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:19:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new lavers? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I heard that Adidas changed lavers. Does anyone know what the new ones are like? Will they be good to kick in?