From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 1 23:01:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA17379 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:01:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f86.hotmail.com [207.82.250.192]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29723 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:57:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 14827 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 1999 21:58:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990301215800.14826.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.209 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:58:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.209] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:58:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi y'all. I think we should have a freestyle event that exemplifies our different styles of play. The 1:30/2:00 routine definitely has its place, paralleling the insanely long strings many of us try to master. But what about those times when we're trying to pump out that gyro flux, or swirling whirling swirl, or moebius to blurriest combo? Shouldn't we have an event that showcases those kinds of skillz? An event to showcase moves too difficult to attempt in a long routine. (Rippin' excluded) The Phat Trick Contest: You get 3 shots to perform the phattest, most hein trick you can hit. Then, a group of judges score you on the difficulty and execution of the best trick of the three. This could also be the Phat Combo Contest. It can be 2 moves, 3 moves, or whatever. It can be decided later. Would you compete in a Phat Trick/Combo event? Sincerely, The Instig8or DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 03:28:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA07255 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 03:28:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01027 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:18:26 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA06319; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:19:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx47-33.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.225) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006157; Mon Mar 1 20:19:00 1999 Message-ID: <36DB4ED3.67F8@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:37:07 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kramer CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest References: <19990301215800.14826.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Daniel Kramer wrote: > The Phat Trick Contest: > You get 3 shots to perform the phattest, most hein trick you can hit. > Then, a group of judges score you on the difficulty and execution of the > best trick of the three. > > This could also be the Phat Combo Contest. It can be 2 moves, 3 moves, > or whatever. It can be decided later. > > Would you compete in a Phat Trick/Combo event? > Yes. Phat comboz are where it's at. I guess the real deciding factor is whether or not this event would count toward overall at worlds or if you would have to pay to enter it like a regular event etc etc etc. I would love to see the most insane combos that the world's top players are hitting. I think Scott D had a proposal for a combo event a while back... Scott? Something about you turn in a list of the moves you will hit in the proper order. Then, if you substitute in an easier move, or drop, you get a penalty of some sort. It sounded better when he described it. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 06:10:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA32497 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:10:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from localhost (mccombsa@localhost) by ucs.orst.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA08293; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:39:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:39:31 -0800 (PST) From: Avery McCombs To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest In-Reply-To: <199903012330.XAA27156@eniac.yak.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yes. -Avery > Would you compete in a Phat Trick/Combo event? > > Sincerely, > The Instig8or > DK From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 18:45:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA14454 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:45:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f109.hotmail.com [209.185.131.172]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA05081 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:26:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 6856 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 1999 08:27:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990302082722.6855.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 139.67.16.58 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:27:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [139.67.16.58] From: "Frank Gutowski" To: mccombsa@ucs.orst.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:27:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Phat tricks? Legbeater-diving butterfly-double over down(down double,double over down,down double down... I can never remember that crap, its the one set from a clipper - and caught on the same clipper). I know that ain't the FUNKIEST, I wanna hear the FUNKIEST OF THE FUNK - from everyone, from the BAY, to BOULDER, to the EAST COAST. I just want to hear who has the true funk. FG >From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 1 21:53:37 1999 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA32497 > for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:10:17 GMT >X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f >Received: from localhost (mccombsa@localhost) > by ucs.orst.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA08293; > Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:39:31 -0800 (PST) >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:39:31 -0800 (PST) >From: Avery McCombs >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest >In-Reply-To: <199903012330.XAA27156@eniac.yak.net> >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > >Yes. > > -Avery > >> Would you compete in a Phat Trick/Combo event? >> >> Sincerely, >> The Instig8or >> DK > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 18:45:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA14459 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:45:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08390 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:09:33 -0800 Received: from abc (jlw3368@abc.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.3]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with ESMTP id KAA21165 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:11:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by abc (8.8.8+Sun/1.34) id KAA20141; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:11:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:11:04 -0600 (CST) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@abc.ksu.ksu.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] need a ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anybody going to KQ Freestyle Champ. in Mount Prospect, IL? I'm trying to bum a ride, so if you're south or west of I-70 (Topeka) I'm right on the way there. Would really appreciate a lift and will certainly pay my share of traveling expenses (and party favors) later, James "can't trust the Subaru" Widman From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 20:13:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA11120 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:13:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd126.hotmail.com [207.82.252.190]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10858 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:30:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 2807 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 1999 19:31:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990302193135.2806.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:31:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: frankgut@hotmail.com, mccombsa@ucs.orst.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:31:33 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. >I know that ain't the FUNKIEST, I wanna hear the FUNKIEST OF THE FUNK - >from everyone, from the BAY, to BOULDER, to the EAST COAST. I just want >to hear who has the true funk. I'm not going to beat my own chest, so I'll just mention one I saw Eric do when I was in SF: Scorpion tail to mobius. Frightening. See y'all in Philly! Ken "CF" somolinos nyfD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 20:50:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA21389 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:50:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11427 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:21:29 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer - 153.36.183.20 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:22:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000501be64ea$67135e40$14b72499@oemcomputer> From: "william G. pepper" To: Subject: [freestyle] denver players? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:22:27 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey denver players, next wednesday march 10 i'm driving my fiance' down to denver (from ft collins) to get fitted for a wedding dress. seeing as this may take a little bit i thought someone may want to kick for an hour or so. either in wash park or downtown area of cherry creek. (the store we are going to is on 6th and detroit- hence the cherry creek location). her appointment is for 2pm anyone interested let me know kick it bill legbeater@msn.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 21:54:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA08352 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:54:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mp1.telecom.co.nz (mp1.telecom.co.nz [146.171.14.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12077 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:54:53 -0800 Received: by mp1.telecom.co.nz (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00708; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:56:57 +1300 Received: from ish.telecom.co.nz(146.171.1.1) by mp1 via smap (V2.1) id xma000633; Wed, 3 Mar 99 09:56:39 +1300 Received: from telecom.co.nz ([146.171.53.205]) by ish.telecom.co.nz (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA29605 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:52:26 +1200 Received: from DOM#u#AKGATE-Message_Server by telecom.co.nz with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:55:26 +1200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:55:17 +1200 From: Stuart MacFerson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org G'day all. Rather than a 1, 2 or 3 trick combo, why not give competitors 2 or 3 attempts at the longest heinest combo they can hit. ie. keep going until you drop... Making it compulsory tripless (4 adds and up) would make sense... with scoring leaning towards phatness rather than length. >>> Derric Scalf 2/March/1999 03:37pm >>> Daniel Kramer wrote: > The Phat Trick Contest: > You get 3 shots to perform the phattest, most hein trick you can hit. > > This could also be the Phat Combo Contest. It can be 2 moves, 3 moves, > or whatever. It can be decided later. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 2 22:28:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA18215 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:28:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13125 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <19990302220049.12689.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.254.195.42] by send101.yahoomail.com; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:00:49 PST Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:00:49 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I wanna hear the FUNKIEST OF THE FUNK - > from everyone, from the BAY, to BOULDER, to the EAST COAST. Blurry whirl- pdox torque- pdox legbeater- pdox drifter... Eli of Boulder _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 3 01:53:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA21099 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:53:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Problems1@aol.com Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13520 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:26:44 -0800 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HEEAa04320 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:13:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3d6718e8.36dc629a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:13:46 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Re: The Philly Open Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Kickers, I'm 16 years old, and a semi-decent kicker for my age, I think ;) what's the scene like for my age group in a comp like the philly open? Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 3 05:46:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA00570 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:46:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f198.hotmail.com [207.82.251.87]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18981 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:09:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 16267 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 1999 05:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990303051049.16266.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.174.243.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:10:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.174.243.73] From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:10:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org pogo-barfly, infinity-dragon-osis(?), ducking-inspinning-osis...... allan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 3 22:55:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA22213 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:55:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com ([209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA30404 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:33:22 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Mar 3 13:34:24 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:34:24 -0000 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] The Rod Laver Band?? X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wuz up y'all?? Josh Bowen just told me about a band called Rod Laver that is playing in Kansas City on April 23rd. Has anyone heard of them?? If so, are they kickers, tennis players, or just really big fans of one or the other?? I am curious, personally as to the type of music. Anyhow, you know it?? Fill me in. Late, Ian From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 4 03:38:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA21649 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 03:38:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01970 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:28:08 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr148.clearsail.net [207.252.227.148]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04053 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:26:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002201be65e7$06ae75a0$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Clipper Stall Question Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:26:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, i'm 15 and getting really into footbag. I have played soccer for 10 years, but because of a bone problem my soccer future is not too bright. I can't do a whole lot of moves. I know the key to getting good at moves is practice... But, what, if there is one, is the key to doing a clipper stall. Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 4 08:26:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA11862 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:26:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd122.hotmail.com [207.82.252.186]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04052 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:22:25 -0800 Received: (qmail 14708 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1999 04:23:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990304042338.14707.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 20:23:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: dogbert@clearsail.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Clipper Stall Question Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 20:23:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all! James Gilbert asked: , what, if there is one, is the key to doing a clipper stall. I'd have to say, sitting on your support leg is where it's at. As in bending your support leg as much as possible. Also, turn your shoulders almost 90 degrees towards your side where you are catching the bag. I'm on crutches now cause of a soccer injury, so I am vicariously living footbag for now. Hope that helped. Ken "crippled fan" Somolinos nyfD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 4 16:14:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA03794 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:14:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f250.hotmail.com [207.82.251.141]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09110 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 04:03:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 10218 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1999 12:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990304120449.10217.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 04:04:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.142] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Clipper Stall Question Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 04:04:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James wrote: >I know the key to getting good at moves >is practice... But, what, if there is one, is >the key to doing a clipper stall. A while ago I started collecting move tutorials at my web page ( http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/index.html ), I've been really lazy about adding more, but now that I'm on break I'll try to make a comprehensive listing of basic moves. Anyway, the illusive cliper stall. The trick to any move with a stall in it is the hop, but before that make sure your foot position is solid. Try just holding your foot in clipper position, make sure the catching surface is level. Rotate your ancles, strech, do what ever you have to to get used to the position. When you start the move, from a kick, stall whatever don't set too high, about waist level is fine, the higher you set it the faster it comes back down. Now the all so tricky but crusial hop, spot the bag, hop up, rotate your plant leg slightly, away from the cliper side, so that the bag is just on the outside of your plant leg, then come back down with the bag. All the cushening should come from your body, and your support leg. In final position you should be turned, looking over the bag, which should be more or less directly under your center of ballance. And just like in baseball keep your eye on the bag. Then do it on the other side, otherwise in five years you'll be the only player hitting tripless strings who can't hit an off side clipper. Good luck. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 4 18:00:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA00997 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:00:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13755 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:21:31 -0800 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23227 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:23:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:23:14 -0600 (CST) From: Sean Wingert To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Lavers Design Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Originally From: "Ian Dubman" , posted per his request. Well, I found a new piece of reinforcing material attaching the tongue(the older pair just has it sown to the mesh without any extra piece of material(...may be leather??)). I also found a redesigned positioning of the size of shoe label and the Adidas Logo on the sole of the shoe--not a big thing(maybe a bit of a difference in size of one of them-I'm not in the best recollection state of mind at the moment and I don't have the older pair in front of me.) Besides that, there were only minor differences in the two(insole was glued in--not in first pair, angles of stitching were a bit different, and shoelace tip's plastic was a bit longer)--might I add, all of which could be manufacturing differences. None of which make the shoe structurally different or harder to kick in. I don't know if this the shoe that Scott talked about--maybe there is even newer version?? But, I do not doubt Scott's knowledege of their products. He is sponsored by them isn't he?? I think so. So, he probably would know, at least I would guess. Ian Dubman MUFF From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 4 18:00:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA01002 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:00:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13231 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:55:53 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA02605; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:56:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx44-03.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.195) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002491; Thu Mar 4 10:55:35 1999 Message-ID: <36DEBF75.3F62@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:14:29 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Gilbert CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Clipper Stall Question References: <002201be65e7$06ae75a0$02000003@rtgilber> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Gilbert wrote: > > Hey, i'm 15 and getting really into footbag. I have played soccer for 10 > years, but because of a bone problem my soccer future is not too bright. I > can't do a whole lot of moves. I know the key to getting good at moves is > practice... But, what, if there is one, is the key to doing a clipper stall. > > Thanks, > > James Gilbert This question came up a while back. Here is some advice that I think is pretty good... Ahhh... it took a bit more than a month to start hitting clippers, and a bit more than a year for them to become easy. Patience is key. Keep trying them over and over - always on BOTH SIDES!!! Here are some things to keep in mind: 1. *Curl your toes down into a fist*. This makes the inside surface of your foot a bit wider. If you don't believe me, put your foot in the clipper position and point your toes up. Woomp, you just lost half of the width of your clipper surface. 2. *Try to get your foot as level as possible*. If your toes are pointing toward the ground, the bag will just roll off. Stretching your ankle helps this. 3. *Bend your support leg* (the one you are standing on). By bending your support leg, you can cushion the stall without having to move your clipper foot as much. This is good because it helps smooth out the stall. The knee of your support leg should bend just about 90 degrees. 4. *You want the clipper to be done beside you, not behind you*. If you bend your support leg, there is room for your stalling leg to go behind your knee and get the foot beside you. If your support leg is straight, when you put your clipper out, it will have to either go through your knee (this is both painful and impossible), or your clipper foot will end up too far behind you. So, again, bend that support leg. 5. Remember that it is a stall - not a kick. Practice by catching the bag on the clipper. Try to actually stall it - don't just pop it immediately back up. If you can catch and hold the clipper delay for, oh, let's say 5 seconds, then you have proven your balance and control. Remember - BOTH SIDES!!! Now, for some ways to practice... Hold the bag in your right hand about waist high. Get your left foot in the cross body postion. As you drop the bag, bend your support leg (in this case, the right leg) and try to GENTLY cushion the bag with your left foot clipper. You can practice this while you are on the phone, standing in line, or waiting for your corndogs to finish microwaving. This is the kind of practice that won't make you sweat so you can do it anywhere at any time. Remember though - BOTH SIDES!!! Another good way to practice is by catching the bag on an inside delay. Then, wrap your foot around to the cross body position without letting the bag fall off. This is a lot harder than you think it will be. From this, you will get better ankle flexibility and a feel for keeping your foot level. This is key for clippers. And, yep, you got it... BOTH SIDES!!! Did you expect a book as a response? Sometimes I get a little carried away. It is very important that beginners are encouraged in this sport. Once you get clippers, you will be hooked and it will be your turn to spread the word. Clippers are key in 80% of advanced freestyle moves. If you can do both sides, you can hit many many more moves. If you make an effort to do everything that I told you about, I promise that you will hit clippers pretty regularly within a week or so. Just keep practicing and concentrate on the form. Think about what both legs are doing - not just the clipper foot. Any other questions, or if I wasn't clear, let me know. Kick on. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 4 23:54:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA20551 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:54:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f84.hotmail.com [207.82.250.190]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA21714 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:25:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 21310 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1999 23:26:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990304232625.21309.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.27.84.140 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:26:24 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.27.84.140] From: "Brian Waligorski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Clipper Stall Question Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:26:24 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >James Gilbert wrote: I know the key to getting good at moves is >> practice... But, what, if there is one, is the key to doing a clipper stall. >> >> Thanks, >> James Gilbert Man, it took me close to 3 years to start nailing the clipper. I wish I could have gotten some tips from these guys back then. Anyway, I have found a way to get good with a stall (this works for me anyway). It will get you doing the stall almost automaticly as you start kicking a little better. This little trick, however, requires you to be able to do another trick. An around-the-world is great for begining kickers. Just do the around-the-world and then go into the clipper. I think this is a good method for a few reasons: 1. It gets you a good rythem with the hop (with the around-the-world and the clipper). 2. It gets you good with a few fundimental moves. 3. I found that it speeds you up a bit. 4. It gets you doing tricks in combos without thinking about it. I started out having to toe stall the bag, think about my mirage, and then do it. Once I started putting it after an around-the-world I found that I could do the motion from just about anything. And I could also throw in some other moves since both ended up in a toe stall. Like around-the-world-> mirage-> leg over-> pixie-> clipper and now I am starting to get my whirl into the combo. And if you hit a point where you can't do anything different in the combo throw it back from a clipper to a mirage (which by the way will help kinda with the barraging motion). You'll be surprised with how much better moves look when you go from it to something else. Finally, to iterate what Derric said (I think), do it with BOTH FEET. I didn't start out doing it with both and now I am trying to teach my left foot to do a clipper! Hope that helped. Brian "looking for a good nicname" Waligorski ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 6 07:04:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA15879 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:04:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f215.hotmail.com [207.82.251.106]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA32704 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:19:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 8849 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 1999 17:20:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990305172033.8847.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:20:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.1] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest -Reply Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:20:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Rather than a 1, 2 or 3 trick combo, why not give competitors >2 or 3 attempts at the longest heinest combo they can hit. >ie. keep going until you drop... > >Making it compulsory tripless (4 adds and up) would make >sense... with scoring leaning towards phatness rather than >length. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Been quite busy at the J.O.B. Your thoughts have definitely caused me to rethink my proposal. Simply trying a trick or combo 3 times is too rigid a format. >ie. keep going until you drop... Kicking 'til you drop is interesting. Perhaps we should give the competitors 2 drops in the quest for the heinest trick/combo. The only problem with that, is that one may not want to attempt the "most hein" tricks since dropping would end their competition. To better "incentivize" trying harder tricks, how bout a 30 second time limit. Players can try any trick they want without the spectre of the drop hanging over their heads. The amount of drops won't affect their score. >why not give competitors 2 or 3 attempts at the longest heinest combo >they can hit. Unlimited length of combos would make it very tough on the judges. I know we don't want to get too anal about the judging system, but we just can't throw judges out there without proper means of comparison. What's better, 3 5 add moves then a 4 add, or 5 4 add moves followed by 1 5 add? It could get silly. New Proposal: 1 event, 2 awards Phat Trick/Combo Contest You get 30 seconds to hit the most hein 2 move combo AND single trick. At the end of the competition, separate awards would be given to the player with the best single move, and the player with the best 2 move combo. It might go something like this (Sorry Josh): Josh Penney steps on stage. Clock starts. He tries a couple of wicked moves, but he drops on both. (8 seconds) He hits paradox leg-beater into paradox drifter. (16 seconds) He misses two more moves. (24 seconds) With two seconds left he hits in-spinning torque. Time up! Note: If Josh hadn't hit that torque, then the judge would have either scored the paradox leg-beater or the paradox drifter as his "Phat Trick." Actually, a judge, if he/she believed that paradox leg-beater was more hein than in-spinning torque, could totally ignore the torque altogether; scoring the paradox leg-beater as the "Phat Trick." If a player happened to hit, let's say a gyro whirling swirl and nothing else. That player would have a good chance at the Phat Trick award but little chance for the combo award since the combo he/she hit was something like gyro whirling swirl into outside kick or whatever. Hope I didn't make it sound too complicated, because it really isn't. So basically, like I wrote before, one award for the best trick, one award for the best 2 move combo. They could very possibly be the same person. And the best trick could simply be a component of the best combo. Have I confused anyone yet? ;-) >Making it compulsory tripless (4 adds and up) would make sense I think that would take care of itself. In any competition with a few good players, guiltless won't win. Tripless moves and combos should dominate. I don't think we need a rule. *Stu and company, please give me your constructive criticism.* Thanks for your time. The Instig8tor Dan Kramer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 6 07:04:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA15892 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:04:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29093 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:25:17 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0F8400C017KVKY@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:26:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 02:26:55 -0700 (MST) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Clipper Stall Question In-reply-to: <36DEBF75.3F62@utdallas.edu> To: Derric Scalf Cc: James Gilbert , freestyle@footbag.org Reply-to: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Derric Scalf wrote: > 1. *Curl your toes down into a fist*. This makes the inside surface of > your foot a bit wider. If you don't believe me, put your foot in the > clipper position and point your toes up. Woomp, you just lost half of > the width of your clipper surface. Something that is not commonly told, or realized maybe, is that if you curl your toes into a fist but actually point out your big toe it forces a little extra flatness onto your clipper. Though I usually forget to do this in mid trick. > Then, wrap your foot around to the cross body position without letting > the bag fall off. This is a lot harder than you think it will be. From > this, you will get better ankle flexibility and a feel for keeping your For certain. I think this will help alot for finesse and balance as well as flexibility, and certainly strength for unused muscles. BUT, I think the best thing for the flexibilty is to do walk-overs. They really help to stretch out your ankles. At first you may have to bend down quite a bit so as not to sprain your ankle, but the more you strech the tendons and crap down there, the more straight up you stand and then you know you're flexible. And have fun damn it! BRAD From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 6 19:30:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA22829 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:30:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11771 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:39:59 -0800 Received: from sympatico.ca (ppp9896.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.154.49]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14809 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:40:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E176BE.485B96BB@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 13:41:02 -0500 From: S/G Duchesne Reply-To: sg.duchesne@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle Subject: [freestyle] Windchill (L'Hivernal) of Montreal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everybody, I just want to say that there's a competiton at montreal (windchill). We're a little late to announce the event and there will be a majority of net players but if some players are in the mood of kicking maybe we'll have a freestyle competition... Also, I want to say that I'll be there for the chicago championchips and it will be my first competition. Hope we'll see ya there, SÈbasTien Duchesne From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 8 16:46:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA08946 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:46:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08831 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:37:43 -0800 Received: from acsdallas.com (a200-206.ppp.dlls.tx.onramp.net [199.1.153.206]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA02235 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:37:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from JAMES [144.19.62.4] by acs_dc [144.19.62.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:41:05 -0600 Received: by JAMES with Microsoft Mail id <01BE68CF.97DCC6E0@JAMES>; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:20:42 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE68CF.97DCC6E0@JAMES> From: James Roberts To: "freestyle@footbag.org" , "'Daniel Kramer'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:20:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Daniel wrote: >New Proposal: 1 event, 2 awards Phat Trick/Combo Contest You get 30 seconds to hit the most hein 2 move combo AND single trick. At the end of the competition, separate awards would be given to the player with the best single move, and the player with the best 2 move combo.------ETC. I like it. JR DFC From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 8 16:46:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA08951 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:46:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09631 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:37:55 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA27091 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:37:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(207.221.95.166) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026995; Mon Mar 8 09:36:52 1999 Message-ID: <36E3F2AE.7F7C@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:54:22 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new video clips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all. Tired of those same old video clips? Then go to http://www.dallasfootbag.org and click on the multimedia link. Matt Strong of the DFC has recently uploaded some great footage of '98 Worlds filmed by Alabama's own Chris Ryan. If anyone is trying to get all of the '98 Worlds videos in one place (Steve?), let me know and we'll work it out. Also, we have some highlights of a few of the Dallas players. Though we may not be tripless, some of the runs are pretty good. I encourage everyone to check out all of the new videos. Runs include - Ahren Gehrman Brian McKenzie Daryl Genz Greg Nelson Josh Casey Noah Dubreuil Peter Irish Ryan Mulroney Scott Davidson Eric Wulff and the infamous '98 BAP SHRED (count for yourself how many Ryan hits - I'm guessing 71 or 72 guiltless with most being fours!) also, DFC runs include James Roberts Matt "Sofa King" Strong and Derric Scalf Enjoy. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 9 04:52:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA18985 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:52:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 22:48:05 -0500 Subject: RE: [freestyle] Phat Trick=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Contest=0D1?= #607 To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org From: twalsh@uts.oise.utoronto.ca (Tom Walsh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Why not just do it NBA dunk competition style? It's a similar type of event and the format seems to have worked extremely well in the past. Sparky From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 9 18:35:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA00737 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:35:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f205.hotmail.com [207.82.251.96]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29009 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:46:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 15198 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 1999 15:45:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990309154559.15197.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:45:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.1] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:45:59 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Why not just do it NBA dunk competition style? It's a similar type >of event and the format seems to have worked extremely well in the >past. That's how I first envisioned it. And maybe it'll end up that way. But I think the best way to figure out which format works best is to run the darn thing (in whatever incarnation) in a real tournament. I'm currently trying to get a demo in the Philly Open, and hopefully, I repeat hopefully in Eastern Regionals. Procrastin8tor??? DanK P.S. Since Jordan and Dominique Wilkens stopped doing the dunk contest, it has been a bit of a snoozer. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 10 02:43:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA30333 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:43:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Allman144@aol.com Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id zUZZa14083 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:17:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42c9664d.36e5ac03@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:17:23 EST To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Spring Break Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers. I am going to Myrtle Beach from March 20 to March 23. Is anyone gonna be down there? If so, lets kick. Please write back if you are interested, I would love to hook up with some fellow kickers. Sincerely, Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 10 19:01:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA15050 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:01:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com ([209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19259 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:02:56 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Mar 10 10:02:32 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:02:32 -0000 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] new video clips X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.236.87 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --Derric, I don't know if you are the one who designed that webpage, but, nonetheless, it is dank. I recommend everyone to visit it and check the multimedia page. Killer vid clips on a killer club site. Later, Ian >On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:54:22 Derric Scalf wrote: >>Hello all. >> >>Tired of those same old video clips? Then go to >>http://www.dallasfootbag.org and click on the multimedia link. > > "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 11 01:16:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA13081 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:16:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24858 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:05:16 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA22114; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:04:57 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199903110004.TAA22114@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest To: grandincredible@hotmail.com (Daniel Kramer) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:04:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19990305172033.8847.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Daniel Kramer" at Mar 5, 99 09:20:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org PHAT TRICK CONTEST?!??? I LOVE THIS IDEA! Pros that I see: This will encourage people to skool super gnarly moves and really expand teh creativity and limits of the sport. Also, I can see it like a hot dog aerials (skiing) or bmx superjump or snowboarding launch events (I do not know the exact names, but I hope you all know the events I am referring to) where people just BUST the best moves or combinations of 3 moves that they can do... that way all the crowd is focussed on them and there is plenty of time for instant replays of the heinest tricks. The fact that people will be practicing super unique LARGE moves will really push the sport to new directions... especially since people will (I believe) will not only be skooling individual moves for the PHAT TRICKS contest, but they will be skooling their links to these moves for CIRCLE SHREDS (still the heart of freestyle, IMHO). One thing I am not sure off... why limit the combo to 2 tricks? I figure AT LEAST 3, if not more. I guess it would be good to pick a number and see how it works in actual practice, then adjust the length for the combo competetion from there. Like I said, people will be skooling their seals of their huge moves in order to bust them in circle shred... so 3 moves would at least give the opportunity for a huge move, seal, another huge move. Whadya think? I SURE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS EVENT TESTED OUT AT SOME TOURNAMENTS THIS YEAR. Any chance of a NY FOOTBAG EXPLOSION? Sunil "TSUNAMI" Jani From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 11 15:31:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA30838 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:31:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02534 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:48:52 -0800 Received: from [207.208.34.43] (d43.nhe2.interaccess.com [207.208.34.43]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA16226; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:48:56 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199903110004.TAA22114@dept.english.upenn.edu> References: <19990305172033.8847.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Daniel Kramer" at Mar 5, 99 09:20:30 am Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:57:31 -0500 To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani), grandincredible@hotmail.com (Daniel Kramer) From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! Sunil wrote: >PHAT TRICK CONTEST?!??? >I LOVE THIS IDEA! Pros that I see: >Whadya think? I SURE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS EVENT TESTED OUT AT SOME >TOURNAMENTS THIS YEAR. Any chance of a NY FOOTBAG EXPLOSION? There is a similar event being tested at (we'll post the rules to this forum soon): Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships March 27-28 Mount Prospect, IL (A suburb of Chicago) Contact Mike Bellman at: Be there! See ya! Scott Davidson, Participant From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 11 20:55:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA10060 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:55:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f88.hotmail.com [207.82.250.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08050 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:04:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 28540 invoked by uid 65534); 11 Mar 1999 20:04:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990311200435.28539.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:04:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.1] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:04:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org TSUNAMI wrote: >One thing I am not sure off... why limit the combo to 2 tricks? I >figure AT LEAST 3, if not more. I guess it would be good to pick a >number and see how it works in actual practice, then adjust the >length for the combo competetion from there. The problem with requiring longer strings is that the longer the string, the easier the moves have to be. The shorter the string, the greater the move difficulty (at least theoretically). Not that long strings aren't awesome, it's just not what I think this event should try to promote. But of course, the answer you gave to your own question is the key. Throw it out the window and see if it flies. I want to announce that we'll be giving the Phat Trick/Combo event a go at the Philly Open at the end of this month. For those of you who might go (Eric W., Tu, Matt Avery, Vince, etc., etc.), would you be interested? I know that no one has had time to prepare, but this is just a demo. The Wright brothers were the first to fly and Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon. You too can be a part of history. Email me if you're down. Any chance of a NY FOOTBAG EXPLOSION? Due to Y2K glitch, the NY Footbag Explosion has been rescheduled for July, 1900. Yours Truly, DanK Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 11 23:42:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA04042 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:42:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.208.133.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09860 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:05:31 -0800 Received: from [207.208.34.124] (d61.nhe2.interaccess.com [207.208.34.61]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA28770 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:05:54 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:14:47 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: [freestyle] Are these new moves, or just ones that no one talks about? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! I've been skoolin some moves that I don't recall seeing before... Gyro Symposium Mirage (four adds)... this is the pre-curser to Gyro Symposium Butterfly ("cheezy" five add move) (and I understand about the "gyro-leg-off-the-ground" thing, but "gyro" best describes the spin direction) (I hereby propose that all "Gyro Symposium (any move)" will from this moment on be called "Spyro (any move)" So the above mentioned gyro symposium mirage, would be Spyro Mirage.... and the Gyro Symposium Butterfly would be "Spyro Butterfly", and guess what Spyro Whirl is? Gyro Whirling Swirl (five adds) Gyro Reverse Mirage (four adds) Gyro Symposium Whirl (five adds, I've seen Kozmo hit this) All of the above moves I have hit many times, most of them in strings as well. He. He. He. The Blurry Flux eludes me, but only by an inch. Paradox flux is there. So much to say, so little time. Comments? See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 12 08:11:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA10085 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:11:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA220 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:16:25 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:16:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01be6c36$b9068a80$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sOME GUY FROM nyc SAID... TURN OFF YOUR "CAPS LOCK" DUDE! :) eh hem... That's not really true. He actually said... >I want to announce that we'll be giving the Phat Trick/Combo event a go >at the Philly Open at the end of this month. For those of you who might >go (Eric W., Tu, Matt Avery, Vince, etc., etc.), would you be >interested? First of all, who's runnin this tourney anyway. I know it ain't no DanK! dude from NYC... :) Just Kiddin.. Anyway, I'd be down.. know what I'm sayin Biff. PHAT TRICKS.. LOTS 'O' PPHAT TRICKS.. Well... 2, 3 or 4 at a time anyway. Who needs time to prepare? That's what we stylers are doin all the time. Preparing. Preparing FOR WAR! BATTLE I SAY... BATTLES LIKE THESE... FIGHT TO THE DEATH I SAY! WITH JUST A FOOTBAG AND some.. uh.. eh hem.. Yea, I'd be into it. Sounds like fun. iron what's the format again?.. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 12 08:13:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA10103 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:13:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f83.hotmail.com [207.82.250.189]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15289 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:25:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 24292 invoked by uid 65534); 12 Mar 1999 05:25:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990312052522.24291.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:25:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: enlightener@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Are these new moves, or just ones that no one talks about? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:25:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders! Scott made the following proposal: > (I hereby propose that all "Gyro Symposium (any move)" will from this >moment on be called "Spyro (any move)" > By this logic, a spyro gyro would no longer be a gyro butterfly swirl, it would be a clipper set, followed by a full spin, then an extra half spin done symposium style butterfly, since a "gyro" as a move and not a concept still is what we would now know as a "gyro butterfly." Of course, we could jsut rename spyro gyro and call it something else. But this brings me to another point. I've heard Kenny Shults has hit mobius with a spin preceding it. How do you classify this? If a spinning whirl is executed on the same side it was originially set from, then technically Kenny's move is not a double spinning torque. A double spinning torque would technically be a spinning marius (the thought makes me dizzy). You could call it a spinning gyro torque, but that is kinda confusing. It is one and a half spins, so it isn't double spinning. Let me give another confusing example. In a gyro whirl, you only rotate 180 degrees. But in a spinning whirl, you rotate a full 360. Why are these worth the same? Or how about in-spins? I hit in-spinning mirage much less than i do gyro mirage, not just because the footwork on an in-spin is so difficult, but because in an in-spin, you do a full spin before the move, whereas in a gyro move, you only have to do half a rotation before the move. Or maybe I am just playing devil's advocate. In any case, if Scott's "spyro" proposal is accepted, somebody better think of another name for gyro butterfly swirl. Ken "finally of crutches fan" Somolinos nyfD Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 12 08:13:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA10115 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:13:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Tony Glick Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id zHASa19622 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:24:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:24:15 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil wrote: << One thing I am not sure off... why limit the combo to 2 tricks? I figure AT LEAST 3, if not more. >> I agree, but I am talking about just the general definition of a combo. What is it? A combo should be three. Two is too short, and four is too long. Also, what is a string? Is a string four, five, or six? I think at least four. What do you guys and gals think? Sincerely, Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 12 20:02:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA10542 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:02:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu (root@rac6.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.146]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA18283; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id KAA23837; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) id KAA23833; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:40:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:40:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903121540.KAA23833@rac6.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Phat Trick Contest Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey hey i'm interested in the phat trick combo. working on double whammy -> scary monster ->(uh huh) lunar eclipse. and for the phat single, i'll try tri-stomp merkon. yeah i'm a pro. just have to figrue out how tomake money CRASTINATIN' l8r v From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 12 23:34:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA20851 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:34:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26557 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:05:58 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA09571; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:05:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx48-40.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.104) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009523; Fri Mar 12 15:04:54 1999 Message-ID: <36E98598.5B59@utdallas.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:22:32 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Procrastinator the VIIIth CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Phat Trick Contest References: <199903121540.KAA23833@rac6.wam.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Procrastinator the VIIIth wrote: > > hey hey > > i'm interested in the phat trick combo. > working on double whammy -> scary monster ->(uh huh) lunar eclipse. > Lunar eclipse I know... what is a double whammy? I've heard of an ugly monster (if ever there was a move to get 2 cross bodies, this is the one) Any relation to your scary monster? > and for the phat single, i'll try tri-stomp merkon. > Sounds cool. What is a tri-stomp? -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 13 00:47:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA11731 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:47:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA68 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:03 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Are these new moves, or just ones that no one talks about? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000401be6ce4$06f95760$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Scot & all... Scott said... >Are these new moves, or just ones that no one talks about? >I've been skoolin some moves that I don't >recall seeing before... >Gyro Symposium Mirage (four adds)... No-one talks about "Jersey City" cause if you can't make it in the "Big Apple" that's where you end up. eh em.. In other words, it's the "Jersey City". Hit by many, spoken about by few. iron From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 13 04:02:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA06612 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:02:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00053 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:32:23 -0800 Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19548 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:05 -0600 Received: from alpha-1 ([216.106.19.92]) by mail.socket.net ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:20:56 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1991 21:34:03 -0600 X-Priority: 3 From: Jeremiah Riely Reply-To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu X-Mailer: Mail Warrior 2 To: freestyle@footbag.org CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Are these new moves, or just ones that no one talks about? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer-Version: v2.03a Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >By this logic, a spyro gyro would no longer be a gyro butterfly swirl, the name of sypro gryo (gyrating butterfly swirl) could remain the same even though it isn't the new 'sypro'. Just like whirling dervish has nothing close to a whirl in it. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 13 04:02:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA06607 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:02:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00038 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:30:48 -0800 Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19514 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:41:22 -0600 Received: from alpha-1 ([216.106.19.92]) by mail.socket.net ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:19:12 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1991 21:32:19 -0600 X-Priority: 3 From: Jeremiah Riely Reply-To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu X-Mailer: Mail Warrior 2 To: freestyle@footbag.org CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Are these new moves, or just ones that no one talks about? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer-Version: v2.03a Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>Gyro Symposium Mirage (four adds)... > >No-one talks about "Jersey City" cause if you can't make it in the "Big >Apple" that's where you end up. > >eh em.. In other words, it's the "Jersey City". Hit by many, spoken about >by few. > >iron > I have heard gyro symposium mirage called "little apple", is this right? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 13 09:33:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA17745 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:33:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: (qmail 17629 invoked by uid 65534); 13 Mar 1999 08:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990313085950.17628.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:59:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Are these new moves, or just ones that no one talks about? Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:59:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Eric and all Eric said: >>Gyro Symposium Mirage (four adds)... > >No-one talks about "Jersey City" cause if you can't make it in the "Big >Apple" that's where you end up. > >eh em.. In other words, it's the "Jersey City". > I always thought that little apple (jersey city) was simply a spinning symposium mirage, not gyro symposium. Ken CF Somolinos nyfd Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 15 04:15:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA04714 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:15:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA31812 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:11:45 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr139.clearsail.net [207.252.227.139]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA12484 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:07:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701be6e89$69bb2580$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Double Around the World Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:13:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org First of all, I'd like to say thanks to everyone who helped me with my question about the clipper stall. I'm getting a lot better at that. Also I have ordered a pair of Rod Lavers, which should help me out too. I can nail the regular around the world with both feet. I'm having trouble with the double, though. On the double around the world, I can only get about one and a half rotations before the bag hits the ground. I know to practice a lot and have been practicing about 1&1/2 to 2 hours each day and can tell a big improvement. Is there any thing I can do to get my leg around quicker or any special tricks to make the move a little easier to hit? Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 15 06:12:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA11682 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:12:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f243.hotmail.com [207.82.251.134]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01272 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:38:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 8088 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Mar 1999 05:38:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990315053822.8087.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:38:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: dogbert@clearsail.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Around the World Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:38:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. James GIlbert asked in regard to double atw: Is there any thing I can do to get my leg around >quicker or any special tricks to make the move a little easier to hit? Point them toes, and do the double dex motion whenever you are just standing around, like in the grocery line, or waiting for a bus. Your muscle memory learns it; at least it worked for me. Ken CF somolinos nyfd Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 15 17:22:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA01756 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:22:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f257.hotmail.com [207.82.251.148]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07373 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:37:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 16719 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Mar 1999 16:37:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990315163712.16718.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.27.84.110 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:37:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.27.84.110] From: "Brian Waligorski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Around the World Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:37:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James, When I do a double around the world I put in a little hop about 3/4 of the way around the first dex. It seems to help my foot snap around the second dex. Point your toes/ practice it while you are standing around = good. Brian W Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 15 18:32:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA21767 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:32:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08322 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:48:48 -0800 Message-ID: <19990315174950.27538.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.250.164.46] by send106.yahoomail.com; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:49:50 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: (freestyle) spyro stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > the name of sypro gryo (gyrating butterflyswirl) could remain the same even though it isn't the new 'sypro'. Agreed, I think 'Spyro' is a good name for symp gyro. Scott, I've never seen spyro whirl hit; tried a few times,came close a few times, but it's bloody difficult! Nice one! Eli _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 16 00:16:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA10370 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:16:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12106 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:58:31 -0800 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id zEUTa15098 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:57:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:57:49 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Around the World Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org and don't forget to make nice, tight circles, and tilt your foot to the side on the way up; don't toss the bag up, and then start to spin, start the spin and toss it in one motion. So, to clarify, start to tilt your foot as you're tossing it up so you're about 90 degrees around the 360 degree spin just after the hack leaves your foot. once you'll get it, you'll know what I mean, but by then, you won't need the advice, so lets hope you get it now before you just go out and learn it on your own ;) Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 17 02:00:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA29920 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:00:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32205 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:44:43 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr94.clearsail.net [207.252.227.94]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06297 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:40:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000101be7007$45ddd340$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] New Stall?? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:46:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Please tell me if this move has a name... You would kick the bag up chest high right in the middle of your body. As the bag drops you bend both of your legs deeply (almost to 90 degrees) and catch the bag in the crotch area. Would this be a 2 add move? Delay and Unusual Surface? If this doesn't have a name, I propose "Nut Trap." Thanks, James Gilbert P.S. Sorry about the weirdness of this e-mail, but I just had to know. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 17 04:06:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA13533 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:06:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02542 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:33:08 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id zLJTa25945 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:29:15 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <26c1f15c.36ef218b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:29:15 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Stall??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My friends and I do that trick at lunch. We always just called it a crotch stall. If you get it just right you can jump have the bag drop between your legs and you can kick it flying clipper style. Owen "Still looking for a ride to Worlds" Parrish From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 17 04:29:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA14631 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:29:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02855 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:01:05 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA19104 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:01:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx7-19.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.147) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019052; Tue Mar 16 22:01:28 1999 Message-ID: <36EF2D8B.38F0@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:20:27 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Stall?? References: <000101be7007$45ddd340$02000003@rtgilber> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Gilbert wrote: > > Please tell me if this move has a name... > You would kick the bag up chest high right in the middle of your body. As > the bag drops you bend both of your legs deeply (almost to 90 degrees) and > catch the bag in the crotch area. Would this be a 2 add move? Delay and > Unusual Surface? If this doesn't have a name, I propose "Nut Trap." > It is called a lap catch. "Nut Trap" just wouldn't do in mixed company... Anyway, I think that it is 2 adds. In and of itself, a lap catch isn't all of that. Try doing something to the lap catch (pixie, fairy, stepping, spinning, etc). Then, playing out of it is all that is left. My favorite is to drop the bag from the lap straight into a butterfly. Try legovers out of it or whirls or double ATWs. As with all moves, the possibilities are endless. Enjoy... -Derric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 17 04:45:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA24067 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:45:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU (outbound.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.74]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02872 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:03:43 -0800 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 58350 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67246-17239>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:04:31 -0500 Received: from mail.Princeton.EDU (mail.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.14]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA18193 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (flagstaff.Princeton.EDU [128.112.131.154]) by mail.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA21480 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (caseyr@localhost) by flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA23396 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:04:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:04:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Casey G. Rothschild" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Stall??? In-Reply-To: <26c1f15c.36ef218b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah... This stall is the setup for a move I call "The Gesture" (not to be confused with the Jester, of course). Peace, Casey From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 17 05:33:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA03087 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:33:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f68.hotmail.com [207.82.251.208]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03218 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:35:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 18050 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Mar 1999 04:35:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990317043529.18049.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:35:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Stall?? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:35:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All. > >James Gilbert wrote: >> >> Please tell me if this move has a name... >> You would kick the bag up chest high right in the middle of your body. As >> the bag drops you bend both of your legs deeply (almost to 90 degrees) and >> catch the bag in the crotch area. Would this be a 2 add move? Delay and >> Unusual Surface? If this doesn't have a name, I propose "Nut Trap." I believe this move is called a wheelchair. I like to do a reverse mirage before the delay, and then I usually go to a butterfly or butter dragon. I've seen Josh Penney butterfly swirl out of it, which I think he calls "porta john" or you could maybe call swirlchair. Once, when I was kicking in Washington Square park, a wild kick went flying and landed in the lap of a guy in a wheelchair, and he executed said 2 adder. Keep on shredding. Ken CF Somolinos nyfD "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want." -Calvin and Hobbes Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 17 08:41:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA05447 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:41:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04877 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:12:03 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0F8Q00F01C54PH@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:12:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:12:39 -0700 (MST) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] New York Kickers To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey any New Yawkas gonna be kicking in Washington Square Park this Thursday the 18th (weather permitting of course). I'm gonna be in town for most of that one day. Please let me know. Thanks, BRAD From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 19 13:53:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03833 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:53:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.208.133.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09576 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:54:53 -0800 Received: from [207.208.34.82] (d82.nhe2.interaccess.com [207.208.34.82]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA06628; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:55:46 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990315174950.27538.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:04:03 -0500 To: Eli Piltz , freestyle@footbag.org From: "Enlightener (Scott Davidson)" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: (freestyle) spyro stuff Sender: owner-freestyle Hi Eli! At 9:49 AM -0800 3/15/99, Eli Piltz wrote: >> the name of sypro gryo (gyrating butterflyswirl) could remain the >same even though it isn't the new 'sypro'. No reason why not. I have to apologize, for I did not know that "Spyro" was already used in a move name. Still, though, it seems that it wouldn't be a problem to name Symposium Gyro moves, it really makes sense, I think. It doesn't matter too much, until people (besides me) actually start doing these moves. >Agreed, I think 'Spyro' is a good name for symp gyro. Scott, I've >never seen spyro whirl hit; tried a few times,came close a few times, >but it's bloody difficult! Nice one! Spyro whirl is really Kozmo's bread and butter, he was hitting this back in '95 or earlier. I can hit it, but not regularly. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 19 14:04:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03954 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:04:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16907 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:58:56 -0800 Received: by mail.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:14 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782307B5FD@mail.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] New Stall?? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:13 +1300 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle Here in New Zealand it's known as a meat stall. I dunno how many adds it is, but you tend to lose your street cred when you hit it in a combo. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 19 14:07:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03971 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:07:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f64.hotmail.com [209.185.131.127]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07544 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:00:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 28144 invoked by uid 0); 19 Mar 1999 06:00:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990319060055.28143.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.11.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:00:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.156.11.83] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Lavers Design Change Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:00:54 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle Whats up kickers, I think the changes in lavers that Ian was referring to are the difference between made in Italy and made slovenia? lavers. This production shift happened at least a year ago but I don't think it changed the function of the shoes. I was there when Scotts "Beginner" student informed Scott that the "new" lavers had a portion of the instep cut away in a concave fashion possibly taking away from some peoples insteps and clippers. I am a little suspicious because with all of these laver buyers on the list I would think somebody would speak up if the shoes have changed. This winter has been really good for me as far as kicking goes, I have picked up fairy mirage, fairy butterfly, pixie cross-body rake, and finally started hitting fairy, same clipper consistently, I hope to take this move one step further and hit a "royale"(Pdox. rev. drifter) soon. Since I started kicking with Scott D. I have learned the whirl- hit whirling dragonosis once, and turned Scott on to the flux thing. Hope to see at least a few of you at the KQ freestyle nats. next week. Later, Jon Nagela >From: Sean Wingert >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Lavers Design Change >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:23:14 -0600 (CST) > >Originally From: "Ian Dubman" , posted per his >request. > > Well, I found a new piece of reinforcing material attaching the >tongue(the older pair just has it sown to the mesh without any extra >piece of material(...may be leather??)). I also found a redesigned >positioning of the size of shoe label and the Adidas Logo on the sole of >the shoe--not a big thing(maybe a bit of a difference in size of one of them-I'm not in the best recollection state of >mind at the moment and I don't have the older pair in front of me.) >Besides that, there were only minor differences in the two(insole was glued in--not in >first pair, angles of stitching were a bit different, and shoelace tip's >plastic was a bit longer)--might I add, all of which could be >manufacturing differences. > > None of which make the shoe structurally different or harder to kick >in. > > I don't know if this the shoe that Scott talked about--maybe there is >even newer version?? But, I do not doubt Scott's knowledege of their >products. He is sponsored by them isn't he?? I think so. So, he probably >would know, at least I would guess. > > Ian Dubman > MUFF > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 19 16:40:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04462 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:40:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA32283 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:08 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA28690 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:59:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx7-19.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.147) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028439; Thu Mar 18 13:58:06 1999 Message-ID: <36F15F5E.77D8@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:17:34 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Jeremy Keller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle Hello all. I am looking for Jeremy Keller. The last time I saw him was several months ago when he was on his way to Colorado. Anyone know how I can get in touch with him? Pleas, let me know. -Derric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 19 16:40:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04467 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:40:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02386; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:08:37 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id SAA14020; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:09:33 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199903182309.SAA14020@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Phat tricks in LA? To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle listserve) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:09:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: stoler@footbag.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle Hey All: I was wondering if anyone organizing the event would want to have a PHAT TRICK competition demo at the SoCal Championships? linuS From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 19 16:40:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04456 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:40:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f206.hotmail.com [207.82.251.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19279 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:48:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 27117 invoked by uid 65534); 18 Mar 1999 01:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19990318014840.27116.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.25.108.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:48:39 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.25.108.130] From: "James Holt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Stall??? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:48:39 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle >stall. If you get it just right you can jump have the bag drop between your >legs and you can kick it flying clipper style. hey we do this move too we call it the stall to jude, if this name is already used for a diffrent move please do tell. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 01:25:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05622 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:25:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15308 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:47:31 -0800 Received: from nbc (jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.5]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with ESMTP id JAA11731; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:48:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by nbc (8.8.8+Sun/1.34) id JAA23182; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:48:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:48:33 -0600 (CST) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu Reply-To: James Lee Widman To: jon nagela cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Lavers Design Change In-Reply-To: <19990319060055.28143.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle The design change is minimal. It seems I've been wearing a pair of these lavers with the new design for almost a year and didn't even realize it untill I read about it here. the change: A thicker stitch holding the tongue and toe together, (kicking is not affected). -I think, maybe, the sole is a bit thicker (that could just be because my other pair is down to sock) -the toe seems to be a little bit longer. I was comparing the "new" to my old, both size 10, and the new is about 1/4 - 1/2" longer. None of this has affected freestyle at all. But like any new shoe I had to break it in and get used to it. Rod Laver rules! -James W. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 01:45:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06105 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:45:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.39]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17200 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:40:10 -0800 Received: from user (209-142-17-161.oak.inreach.net [209.142.17.161]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27066 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:41:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990319174434.00736260@uclink4.Berkeley.edu> X-Sender: jclor@uclink4.Berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:44:34 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Jared Clorfeine Subject: [freestyle] San Diego Sender: owner-freestyle Hey all, I'm going to be home in San Diego from about now till next Saturday. If anyone's interested in kicking, call me at (619) 447-2538. Later, Jared From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 10:41:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10062 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:41:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f199.hotmail.com [209.185.130.109]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19496 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:19:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 20246 invoked by uid 0); 19 Mar 1999 19:19:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990319191946.20245.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 139.67.16.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:19:45 PST X-Originating-IP: [139.67.16.109] From: "Frank Gutowski" To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The Dark Side? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:19:45 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle Hello all, I am now speaking from the Dark Side of footbag freestyle. Let me explain, I went to Boulder, CO a couple of days ago. It was some kind of alternate universe, all those bad ass shredders out there kick in Teva's now(except for John, who will stay with his white,pure Lavers for ever). I admit I have been sucked into the Teva vortex, it is the way to go. It only too about one hour of skoolin in Tevas to show me the way. I still havn't bought mine yet, but in my heart I am already in the Dark Side, and soon enough in the flesh too. P.S. Don't fear the Teva, love the Teva. Frank Gutowski Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 10:41:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10067 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:41:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25274; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:31:36 -0800 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id rJFEa10913; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:29:25 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:29:25 EST To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Cc: stoler@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat tricks in LA? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle ggggggggidddy-UP! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 12:40:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10308 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:40:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26050 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:42:52 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr92.clearsail.net [207.252.227.92]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA01949 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:38:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000101be7284$079c83e0$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Name of Move? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:44:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freestyle I havent' been able to find it, so what is the name of this move ... set from a clipper stall, flick the bag up and bring the support leg over the bag from in to out, then delay the bag on the toe of the setting leg. eg. right clipper stall, flick the bag up going left to right across your body, bring your left leg over the bag from in to out and delay the bag on your right toe. Also how many adds would this be? 2 adds? dexterity and delay? Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 15:34:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13646 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:34:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27206 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:03:39 -0800 Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA29443 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:10:45 -0600 Received: from alpha-1 ([216.106.19.159]) by mail.socket.net ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:53:22 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1991 01:06:08 -0600 X-Priority: 3 From: Jeremiah Riely Reply-To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu X-Mailer: Mail Warrior 2 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Name of Move? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer-Version: v2.03a Sender: owner-freestyle mirage, 2 add >I havent' been able to find it, so what is the name of this move ... set >from a clipper stall, flick the bag up and bring the support leg over the >bag from in to out, then delay the bag on the toe of the setting leg. eg. >right clipper stall, flick the bag up going left to right across your body, >bring your left leg over the bag from in to out and delay the bag on your >right toe. Also how many adds would this be? 2 adds? dexterity and delay? > > >Thanks, > >James Gilbert > From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 15:34:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13651 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:34:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [206.99.66.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27337 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:20:29 -0800 Received: from 206.151.158.232 (ip127.mind.net [206.151.158.232]) by one.mind.net (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA21309 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:21:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36F34D6A.4D0@mind.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:25:31 -0800 From: Forest Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Dark Side? References: <19990319191946.20245.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle I had a suspicion you would cross over to the dark side. It is only through the darkside that your Jedi powers can truely manifest to there greatest potential. With such power you too can hold the world in of the sweaty arch of your foot. Its good to see confermed that David Holton, John Lei, and myself had it right all along. :) Hope to see you at worlds Shred Master Frank! When ya makin it over to the Westcoast? Western Regionals perhaps? Forest From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 18:48:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02465 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:48:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00350 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:44:26 -0800 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id gSPIa24548; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:44:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <25cec636.36f3de77@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:44:23 EST To: fastfoot@mind.net, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Dark Side? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been kicking in Tevas for a few years now, I own lavers, but I think tevas are the way to go. Plus, for all you hack "purists" out there, it's a much better metaphor for the "true meaning of footbag" than lavers are, which put much more material and outside influence on the bag than Tevas do, which let the bag get in true contact with your feet. Hence, I think that Tevas are not the dark side of footbag, but the true Light side. Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 19:06:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02547 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:06:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01452 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:00:58 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19640; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:01:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101be7284$079c83e0$02000003@rtgilber> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:03:04 -0800 To: "James Gilbert" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Name of Move? Cc: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:44 PM -0600 3/19/99, James Gilbert wrote: > I havent' been able to find it, so what is the name of this move ... set > from a clipper stall, flick the bag up and bring the support leg over the > bag from in to out, then delay the bag on the toe of the setting leg. eg. > right clipper stall, flick the bag up going left to right across your body, > bring your left leg over the bag from in to out and delay the bag on your > right toe. Also how many adds would this be? 2 adds? dexterity and delay? James -- Jeremiah is right, this is a "mirage" and it's 2 adds. The reason you didn't find it on the list is that I wrote the description of mirage a looooong time ago and it needed to be updated and clarified. So, go back and look -- I fixed it to make more sense (hopefully): http://www.footbag.org/moves/show/904102030 The point here is that mirage (like many moves) can be set from either a toe or a clipper set, but we think of it as the same move (if you look at the notation, you'll see how similar it is except for the set). In general, "the set doesn't matter", but this is not true for "paradox" moves -- which are so-called because the set *does* matter, so it breaks our current system. Which is why we argue so much about it. :-) Read my tutorial on paradox at http://www.footbag.org/movelist/paradox-tutorial.html for more on that one if you care, but you don't need to understand it quite yet. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 20 21:42:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06662 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:42:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02993 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:30:06 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA60970; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:31:16 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199903202131.QAA60970@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Dark Side? To: frankgut@hotmail.com (Frank Gutowski) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:31:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19990319191946.20245.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Frank Gutowski" at Mar 19, 99 11:19:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Quoth Guillotine FG: > > Hello all, > I am now speaking from the Dark Side of footbag freestyle. Let me > explain... Boulder, CO... all those bad ass shredders out there > kick in Teva's now(except for John, who will stay with his white,pure > Lavers for ever). I admit I have been sucked into the Teva vortex, it is > > P.S. Don't fear the Teva, love the Teva. > I will CONSIDER TRYING TEVAS only after I see Jonathon (OR ANYONE ELSE) bust moves like dragons and anyone busting cool flyers in combos while wearing them. I still don't see Tevas functioning well for fun stuff like that. Aside from this earth shaking news, what else is going down in the Illini state, Gutowski?? Sunil From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 23 06:33:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16908 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:33:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.208.133.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11749 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:54:27 -0800 Received: from [204.148.82.199] (d199.mvn1.interaccess.com [204.148.82.199]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA16611 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:54:29 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:59:14 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National Freestyle Championships '99 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! Phat Trick Contest Rules: Player Submits intended Phat Trick for rounds 1, 2 and 3 to judges at entry to event. The Phat Trick will have a MADD value. If the Phat Trick has not yet been assigned a MADD value (this may eventually be refined to score tricks based on TADD [tenth of add] values, to further distinguish phat tricks), then the participants in the event will be surveyed and a MADD value will be agreed upon. The player has 15 Seconds for each round to try to complete the intended Phat Trick. Music will be played if the player wants it, but the choice of music will be that of the tournament director... and the music will be the same for all players. Drops don't count against the player. Three rounds, back to back... i.e. players 1 to 8, then 1 to 8 again. (One trick per round) The set trick doesn't count, so it can be anything (kick or any delay). The Phat Trick must be sealed with any trick 3 adds or higher. (This rule may change to "sealed with a hand catch, kick or other trick") The player with the highest MADD score after three rounds, wins. Ties are broken by a tie breaker round (featured). This is the way it will go down (unless some really good suggestions are thrown out there pretty soon) at the Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships '99 this weekend, March 27 and 28 (shred is on the 28th)... Phat Trick Contest is for pro's only. Prize Money Event. See ya! Scott.Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 24 07:16:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21141 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:16:25 GMT From: owner-freestyle X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f226.hotmail.com [209.185.130.164]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA32515 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:03:53 -0800 Received: (qmail 27956 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 1999 07:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990324070328.27955.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.11.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:03:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.156.11.48] From: "jon nagela" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National Freestyle Championships '99 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:03:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott's ideas for the Phat trick contest sound pretty good to me except for the pro's only idea, I think there should be an intermediate phat trick contest or at least let the intermediate's who want to try have a go at it. Is a 2 add fairy frigidosis Phat? Later, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 24 16:48:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23178 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:48:29 GMT From: owner-freestyle X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: ma