From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 1 20:15:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07233 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:15:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.208.133.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21283 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:03:59 -0800 Received: from [207.208.186.188] (d99.focal3.interaccess.com [207.208.138.99]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA13112 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:04:13 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:53:43 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: [freestyle] Spyro Moves Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! It just occurred to me that "Big Applesauce" is really a Gyro Symposium Torque, or Symposium Mobius... and while I am NOT proposing a name change to the move, I am saying that it could also be known (now that we have the "Spyro" nomenclature) as "Spyrobius". A cool "sub-name". Anyway... results from National Freestyle Championships will be out soon. See ya! Scott Davidson From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 1 20:14:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07227 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:14:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f150.hotmail.com [207.82.251.29]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21164 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:57:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 58167 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 1999 22:56:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990331225635.58166.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.191.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:56:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.191.185] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Phat Tricks at Philly Open - Results Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:56:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As many of you know, we held a Phat Trick Contest at last weekend's Philly Open. Firstly, I'd like to thank Rob Riefer for allowing me to run the event and for running such a great tournament. The turnout was good for a tournament's first go and the facilities were excellent. Now for the Phat Tricks. We decided that we would add a 3-move combo to the contest. So the contest was (1) best single trick (2) best 2-move combo and (3) best 3-move combo. Plus an overall award for the best performance based on the 3 categories. Each player got 45 seconds to bust ass. We used 3 judges who used a simple ranking method. Phat Tricks (1) Paradox Leg-Beater - Josh Penney (2) Mobius - Peter Irish (3) Haze - Eric Wulff (4) Spinning Eclipse - Alex Zerbe (5) Pixie-Da Da - Matt Avery Phat 2 Moves (1) Mobius/Blurry Whirl - Peter Irish (2) Blurry-Dragonfly/Torque - Eric Wulff (3) Leg-Beater/Torque - Josh Penney (4) Pixie-Butterfly/Paradox Whirl - Matt Avery (5) Butterfly/Spinning Eclipse - Alex Zerbe Phat 3 Moves (1) Haze/Pixie-Butterfly/Ducking Butterfly - Eric Wulff (2) Torque/Butterfly/Spinning Eclipse - Alex Zerbe (3) Smear/Pixie-Butterfly/Paradox Whirl - Matt Avery (4) Peter Irish - did not qualify :( (4) Josh Penney - did not qualify :( Overall (1) Eric Wulff (2) Peter Irish (3) Josh Penney (4) Alex Zerbe (5) Matt Avery Thanks to all the competitors. Great performances with little if any notice. As you may know, this was a demonstration event. I saw this as a step in the effort to create a truly awesome Phat Trick event. For this reason, I will now go into what went right and what went wrong. Actually, nothing went wrong, just a few things can be modified. First was the time limit. 2 very good players, Irish and Penney, were unable to perform a 3-move combo. I think the time limit should be increased to 1 full minute. Secondly, as in Scott D.'s event, I think players should have to declare the moves they are attempting and perhaps 1 list of alternate combos. It can get very confusing when players decide to just go off. (for a couple of seconds of Penney's routine I sort of wet my pants) Declaring moves will allow for fewer trips to the camcorder for verification. Other than that, I believe the mechanics of the event are sound. Perhaps 2 rounds could be better. But more importantly, I believe the players and the spectators enjoyed it. Later. Dan Kramer NYFA Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 1 20:16:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07253 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:16:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from waddle.excite.com (waddle-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.222]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25985 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:29:27 -0800 Received: from pounce.excite.com ([199.172.152.99]) by waddle.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990401032934.NHOJ17139.waddle@pounce.excite.com> for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:29:34 -0800 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] frigidosis? Message-Id: <922937375.19733.566@excite.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:29:35 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 204.174.243.73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Keeickas! What's a frigidosis? Notation's cool... words are good too... Also, Dragonosis. Most commonly I will set and catch in outside-xbody and then just carry through, setting the bag off a side set. I seem to recall having an old print out of a moves list(a year and a half or so ago, before the new database) that defined dragonosis as requiring a seperate dex by the set leg after the clipper set, catching in outside-xbody and THEN carry through.... 3 adds. To me the difference between what I'm doing and that is like calling a blender a 3add move, moving just an osis to 2. Confusing? to the point, why the dex after a clipper? There is no dex in an osis. The body add is more than present in the carry through, without an ADDitional dexterity. I no longer have that print out, maybe I'm just remembering it wrong, someone set me straight, please. Allan K. Haggett SoleAir Productions Victoria, BC _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 1 20:17:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07266 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:17:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27028 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:18:20 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr154.clearsail.net [207.252.227.154]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11396 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:11:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008101be7bff$5269e0a0$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:20:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ----- Original Message ----- From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 > > Is a 2 add fairy frigidosis Phat? > > Later, Jon Nagela > > > > Do you plant? > > BRAD > Could someone please inform me of what a 2 add fairy frigidosis is and how to do it? I know what a fairy is, but not about the frigidosis part is. Also I am hopefully going to the 1999 Southern Regional Footbag Championships in Dallas, and I think I should enter in the freestyle novice (as opposed to open or intermediate difficulty) competition, but not positive. I can hit a clipper stall, toe stall, outside stall, inside stall, clipper kick, and flying clipper kick with both feet easily. I can also do an around the world and pixie with both feet easily; and a mirage from a clipper or toe stall, dragonfly kick, and butterfly kick with my right foot. I can delay the bag on my neck, shoulder, and chest easily also. Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 1 23:46:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08158 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:46:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f81.hotmail.com [207.82.250.187]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12584 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:19:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 86519 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 1999 22:19:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990401221953.86518.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.232 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:19:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.232] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Tricks at Philly Open - Results Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:19:53 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >(1) Haze/Pixie-Butterfly/Ducking Butterfly - Eric Wulff Correction: Diving, not ducking butterfly. DK Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 1 23:46:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08190 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:46:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12321 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:57:15 -0800 Received: from acsdallas.com (a210-36.ppp.dlls.tx.onramp.net [206.50.201.36]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20748 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:57:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from JAMES [144.19.62.4] by acs_dc [144.19.62.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:59:21 -0600 Received: by JAMES with Microsoft Mail id <01BE7C56.E78F1C20@JAMES>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:47:10 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE7C56.E78F1C20@JAMES> From: James Roberts To: "'Freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Bubba Osis Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:47:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anyone have any clues on how to hit this? Thanks in advance. JR DFC From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 1 23:55:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08275 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:55:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA127 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:47:54 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] "Big Apple" vs. "Big Apple Sauce" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:47:55 -0800 Message-ID: <001201be7c9a$1132c3e0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Scott & all.. For the record.. Symposium Mobius is "Big Apple". "Big Apple Sauce" is something different which I'm not sure of. iron From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:31:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15138 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:31:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA30827 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:00:57 -0700 Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (root@rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.149]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA09117 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id KAA29031 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0.Beta6) id KAA28986 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904051401.KAA28986@rac9.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Big Apple Sauce Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey big apple sauce is spinning-blurry-symposium torque. basically a big apple with a quick extra dexterity thrown in right before the symp torque. the first dexterity ends up going straight into the clip stall with the symp torque moving 'thru' its motion visually. ends up looking like huge spinning symposium food processor thing with the symposium dex interrupting the blender. i think footage from michigan Xmas jam 94/95 would have some of kens best early attempts. huge. set the bag off your clipper, plant the set foot spin away from bag (ie opposed shoulder encounters set area backside first ), as you come to face the set again, move other leg in->out around bag ( blurry) and as you move the dex outta the way, leap off planted foot and do an in->out dexterit over the bag and catch it on the other foot in osis. huge. l8r- v .. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:31:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15150 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:31:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f242.hotmail.com [209.185.130.207]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02391 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:47:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 66282 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1999 04:47:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990403044714.66281.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.13.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:47:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.156.13.65] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:47:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up, I hope everybody made it to one of the tournaments this past weekend to witness the first "official" Phat trick contests. The phat trick contests at the freestyle nats. was the highlight of the competition for me. Sebastian from Montreal and I got in a long run off for second place because the contest was judged on add value and neither of us even attemped a 5 add move. Ian Dubman blew everbody else in the Intermediates out of the water with a paradox blender on his first try. I didnt even consider trying to hit the fairy frigidosis-because I cant hit it with any consistency, not because of its lack of add value. Anyway my best description of a fairy frigidosis goes like this- right toe delay, right foot fairy set which travels over to the left side of the body, twist your left leg clockwise and delay the bag on the left inside surface while your foot is on the left side of your body-it helps if you rest the left foot outside surface on the ground. Please note that I dont recommend this move be attempted because it is too weird. Later Jon Nagela >From: "James Gilbert" >To: >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:20:12 -0600 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 2:10 AM >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National >FreestyleChampionships '99 > > >> > Is a 2 add fairy frigidosis Phat? >> > Later, Jon Nagela >> > >> >> Do you plant? >> >> BRAD >> > >Could someone please inform me of what a 2 add fairy frigidosis is and how >to do it? I know what a fairy is, but not about the frigidosis part is. > Also I am hopefully going to the 1999 Southern Regional Footbag >Championships in Dallas, and I think I should enter in the freestyle novice >(as opposed to open or intermediate difficulty) competition, but not >positive. I can hit a clipper stall, toe stall, outside stall, inside stall, >clipper kick, and flying clipper kick with both feet easily. I can also do >an around the world and pixie with both feet easily; and a mirage from a >clipper or toe stall, dragonfly kick, and butterfly kick with my right foot. >I can delay the bag on my neck, shoulder, and chest easily also. > >Thanks, >James Gilbert Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:31:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15159 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:31:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f120.hotmail.com [209.185.131.183]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02550 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:08:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 48155 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1999 05:08:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990403050842.48154.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.13.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:08:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.156.13.65] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] frigidosis? Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:08:40 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up Allan, I think I just answered what a frigidosis is so on to the dragonosis. Because I need some clarification myself. I have seen Darryl Genz do 3 amazing dragon swirls and these were what I consider to be "dragon", delayed in the cross body position on the outside surface of the foot-And no spin involved. I also saw him hit a pixie butterfly dragon, but the dragon had a spin involved- I think this is a dragnosis. Every dragon move I ever try is like a dragonosis, that is to much pressure on my knees to try and stop from spinning. So what do the real masters of the dragon like Darryl say? Are there three separate moves the Dragon, the spinning outside, with the dragonosis falling somewhere between the other two. Or is the dagonosis a different move witch requires a dex. by the plant leg before the dragon. Later (puf Puff) Jon Nagela >From: "Allan Haggett" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] frigidosis? >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:29:35 PST > >Keeickas! > >What's a frigidosis? Notation's cool... words are good too... Also, >Dragonosis. Most commonly I will set and catch in outside-xbody and then >just carry through, setting the bag off a side set. I seem to recall having >an old print out of a moves list(a year and a half or so ago, before the new >database) that defined dragonosis as requiring a seperate dex by the set leg >after the clipper set, catching in outside-xbody and THEN carry through.... >3 adds. To me the difference between what I'm doing and that is like calling >a blender a 3add move, moving just an osis to 2. Confusing? to the point, >why the dex after a clipper? There is no dex in an osis. The body add is >more than present in the carry through, without an ADDitional dexterity. I >no longer have that print out, maybe I'm just remembering it wrong, someone >set me straight, please. > >Allan K. Haggett >SoleAir Productions >Victoria, BC > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:31:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15168 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:31:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19990404184249.19843.rocketmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.207.207] by web217.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:42:49 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re: [freestyle] "Big Apple" vs. "Big Apple Sauce" To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Eric and everyone Big Apple Sauce is a gyrating blurry torque. Clipper set, back spin, setting leg crosses the bag from in to out(gyro mirage)then the oppisite leg circles the bag from in to out, the the setting leg catches to bag in an osis. Sounds impossible. To my knowledge it has never been hit. Although I heard Kenny had it roll off his foot. Proving the impossible is possible. Alex Zerbe --- Eric Wulff wrote: > Hi Scott & all.. > > For the record.. > > Symposium Mobius is "Big Apple". > > "Big Apple Sauce" is something different which I'm > not sure of. > > iron > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:43:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15206 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:43:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18530 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:55:51 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA29762 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:55:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx43-15.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.143) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029573; Tue Apr 6 12:53:43 1999 Message-ID: <370A5018.5410@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:19:04 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 References: <008101be7bff$5269e0a0$02000003@rtgilber> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > Could someone please inform me of what a 2 add fairy frigidosis is and how > to do it? I know what a fairy is, but not about the frigidosis part is. Frigidosis is a weird little move. Frigidosis is to outside what a dragon is to clipper. In other words, a frigidosis is an inside delay caught behind the support leg and on the OUTSIDE of the body - not cross body. Try stalling a right foot clipper and then twisting it behind you until you can look at it over your right shoulder. I guess the way it got its name is that it is just like the beginning of an osis, but you freeze before you do the spin. I have video of Rippin throwing one in before a run - kick, kick, kick, frigidosis, kick, then some mean stuff. Perhaps I could get it posted to dallasfootbag.org if there was enough interest... > Also I am hopefully going to the 1999 Southern Regional Footbag > Championships in Dallas this coming APRIL 24th and 25th, Just as EVERYONE should :) I hope to see the other people who started this thread so that I can clear up any further confusion on a fairy frigidosis (both planting and non planting) Are you going to make it again this year Brad? I've got a bone to pick with you for edging me out of 2nd last year :) And I'll get the little guy to leave your girlfriend alone... > and I think I should enter in the freestyle novice > (as opposed to open or intermediate difficulty) competition, but not > positive. Get here first, and then we'll see. As with any tournament, you can't be sure of the turnout or the level of play until it starts. There are several up and coming players in the Dallas area that are also playing on the tiltless (all 2 add or better) level. If we get a huge number of guiltless (3 ors better) intermediates, then we can have a novice division. But, as things stand now, the only novice freestyle event we are planning is a circle shred where we have circles of four players and the top two advance by impressing judges that will be walking around. It'll get down to one circle, then two people, then the winner. Either way - novice or intermediate, you will have fun. So, ya'll come on down now, ya' hear? Bring friends that haven't been to this tournament before and get a discount. See you in a few weeks. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:43:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15215 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:43:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18760 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:04:10 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA01254 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:03:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx43-15.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.143) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001073; Tue Apr 6 13:02:36 1999 Message-ID: <370A522F.7142@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:27:59 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: dragonosis - was: Re: [freestyle] frigidosis? References: <922937375.19733.566@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan Haggett wrote: > > Dragonosis. Most commonly I will set and catch in outside-xbody and then > just carry through, setting the bag off a side set. I'm far from an expert on dragons and stuff, but it seems to me that what you are talking about is related more to a wrap than an osis. If you stall, then wrap, that would be two seperate moves. If you saw my other post about frigidosis, then you could think of an osis as two moves - a frigidosis imediately followed by a wrap to the cross body. If you do it all at once, it is a smooth and flowing three add move. If you do it seperately, it would be a one add delay followed by a 2 add wrap (even though in this case it is harder than the osis). So, I guess my point is this: If you do the delay then the wrap, those are two moves. If you do the delayandthewrap, that is one move. As to what a dragonosis is, ask Jon Schnieder (sp?) aka "The Dragonslayer". There hasn't been a move hit either to or from dragon that he can't bust out both sides. He was at Southern Regionals last year, maybe again this year? Let me know Jon. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:45:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15228 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:45:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from student.canberra.edu.au (student.canberra.edu.au [137.92.12.102]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27828 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:53:13 -0700 Received: from by student.canberra.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20384; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:52:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:52:52 +1000 (EST) From: Nathan Bayliss To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Some trick questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, sorry bout the pun. I'm having trouble with some basic clipper set tricks, i'm wondering if anyone can give me any pointers. My clipper stall on both sides is ok but when it comes to setting for moves such as clipper set mirage, pdox mirage, drifter and blur (i can do toe set blur, but not clipper) I can't seem to be able to time the hop so that the leg doing the first dex cleanly goes over the bag; for example, i set from a right clipper (i assume that means bag on my left side held by my right foot) to do a clipper set mirage, i find it difficult to lift the left leg and set at the same time so the bag moves smoothly under the left leg. If anyone's got any pointers I'd really like to hear them. And also, if there's anyone in canberra (apart from me and cuan) who is interested in having a kick with us sometime, mail me. Thanks a lot nathan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:46:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15248 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:46:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15245 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:46:20 GMT Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10022 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:48:19 -0700 Received: from [216.111.252.67] (dhcp216-111-252-67 [216.111.252.67]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14734 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:49:47 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Damn Mathews Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08564 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:57:20 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.7) id zVNGa29767 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:52:15 EDT Subject: (freestyle)X-Games in NC To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Reply-To: Damonmath@aol.com Hi shredsters, I just got word that the X-Games is coming to UNC Charlotte. My school! Jason "Legbeater" Crook, Jon "Just hit his first five add" Ogden, and Myself plan on shreddin' it up in the crowd at the X-Games this weekand. Jason is also and excellent skater pulling kick-flips, 360-flips, hill-flips, switch stance everthing, etc. You get the picture. Its going to be awesome!!!! We all plan on shreddin' hard to represent, represent, REPRE---SENT!! This is another opportunity for footbag did get some publicity. See ya, Damon "X-cited" Mathews From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:51:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15273 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:51:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10455 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:59:43 -0700 Received: from rtgilber (usr139.clearsail.net [207.252.227.139]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26086 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:57:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01be815b$462528c0$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Stomping Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:01:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have two questions, actually, one about stomping and another one about something else. Does stomping add an add to the move? If so, that would mean a stomping pixie would be 3 adds? Also could someone please explain to me what a fairy frigidosis is? It was mentioned in a letter about the Phat Trick contest a while back, and it sounds really cool and I would like to know how to do it. Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 06:51:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15283 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:51:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tracker.excite.com (tracker-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.217]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10731 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:18:55 -0700 Received: from scorch.excite.com ([199.172.152.240]) by tracker.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990408011807.DLDW22687.tracker@scorch.excite.com> for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:18:07 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] one more time! Message-Id: <923534292.4525.74@excite.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:18:12 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 204.174.243.73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allo?....allo? What up? I asked about a week ago, but no one got back 2 me. One more time, for those that thought some one else would answer, what's a frigidosis? Notation's cool, words are too. Also, I won't be as detailed this time, but could some one please define dragonosis for me. I guess I'm hoping that everyone's to busy out there floatin' to be writin' on no list, 'cause there hasn't been a lot of activity recently. What, y'all tired of debating paradox already? Allan K. Haggett SoleAir Productions Victoria, BC _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:39:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15397 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:39:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f62.hotmail.com [207.82.251.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07374 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:41:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 52810 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 1999 16:41:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990409164129.52809.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.137 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:41:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.137] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] German freestyle Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:41:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, My but it's been quiet around here, anyway thanks to the wonders of the internet and discount train tickets most of the last month I was traveling to different places in Germany and meeting with footbag clubs. And because I always had my digicam handy you get to share the experience. You can see my photos at http:// members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/ index.html and then click on multimedia. Special props go to: Ole, for being crazy enough to try and organize the european championships this year (and being nice enough to put me up for a week). Jan, for just being really good, lots of 4s and I saw him come close to a ripped warior(sp?) Mark Inzinger(sp sorry) who is now hitting ripwalk on both sides, plus a bunch of other hein moves and was also nice enough to put me up for a week. And to everyone else I met along the way and to anyone helping to spred the footbag conspiricy outside of north america. Hope to see at least a few of you at the European Masters. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15508 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19990404184249.19843.rocketmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.207.207] by web217.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:42:49 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re: [freestyle] "Big Apple" vs. "Big Apple Sauce" To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Eric and everyone Big Apple Sauce is a gyrating blurry torque. Clipper set, back spin, setting leg crosses the bag from in to out(gyro mirage)then the oppisite leg circles the bag from in to out, the the setting leg catches to bag in an osis. Sounds impossible. To my knowledge it has never been hit. Although I heard Kenny had it roll off his foot. Proving the impossible is possible. Alex Zerbe --- Eric Wulff wrote: > Hi Scott & all.. > > For the record.. > > Symposium Mobius is "Big Apple". > > "Big Apple Sauce" is something different which I'm > not sure of. > > iron > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15514 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10455 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:59:43 -0700 Received: from rtgilber (usr139.clearsail.net [207.252.227.139]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26086 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:57:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01be815b$462528c0$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Stomping Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:01:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have two questions, actually, one about stomping and another one about something else. Does stomping add an add to the move? If so, that would mean a stomping pixie would be 3 adds? Also could someone please explain to me what a fairy frigidosis is? It was mentioned in a letter about the Phat Trick contest a while back, and it sounds really cool and I would like to know how to do it. Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15522 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15245 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:46:20 GMT Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10022 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:48:19 -0700 Received: from [216.111.252.67] (dhcp216-111-252-67 [216.111.252.67]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14734 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:49:47 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Damn Mathews Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08564 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:57:20 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.7) id zVNGa29767 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:52:15 EDT Subject: (freestyle)X-Games in NC To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Reply-To: Damonmath@aol.com Hi shredsters, I just got word that the X-Games is coming to UNC Charlotte. My school! Jason "Legbeater" Crook, Jon "Just hit his first five add" Ogden, and Myself plan on shreddin' it up in the crowd at the X-Games this weekand. Jason is also and excellent skater pulling kick-flips, 360-flips, hill-flips, switch stance everthing, etc. You get the picture. Its going to be awesome!!!! We all plan on shreddin' hard to represent, represent, REPRE---SENT!! This is another opportunity for footbag did get some publicity. See ya, Damon "X-cited" Mathews From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15532 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tracker.excite.com (tracker-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.217]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10731 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:18:55 -0700 Received: from scorch.excite.com ([199.172.152.240]) by tracker.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990408011807.DLDW22687.tracker@scorch.excite.com> for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:18:07 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] one more time! Message-Id: <923534292.4525.74@excite.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:18:12 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 204.174.243.73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allo?....allo? What up? I asked about a week ago, but no one got back 2 me. One more time, for those that thought some one else would answer, what's a frigidosis? Notation's cool, words are too. Also, I won't be as detailed this time, but could some one please define dragonosis for me. I guess I'm hoping that everyone's to busy out there floatin' to be writin' on no list, 'cause there hasn't been a lot of activity recently. What, y'all tired of debating paradox already? Allan K. Haggett SoleAir Productions Victoria, BC _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15545 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from student.canberra.edu.au (student.canberra.edu.au [137.92.12.102]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27828 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:53:13 -0700 Received: from by student.canberra.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20384; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:52:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:52:52 +1000 (EST) From: Nathan Bayliss To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Some trick questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, sorry bout the pun. I'm having trouble with some basic clipper set tricks, i'm wondering if anyone can give me any pointers. My clipper stall on both sides is ok but when it comes to setting for moves such as clipper set mirage, pdox mirage, drifter and blur (i can do toe set blur, but not clipper) I can't seem to be able to time the hop so that the leg doing the first dex cleanly goes over the bag; for example, i set from a right clipper (i assume that means bag on my left side held by my right foot) to do a clipper set mirage, i find it difficult to lift the left leg and set at the same time so the bag moves smoothly under the left leg. If anyone's got any pointers I'd really like to hear them. And also, if there's anyone in canberra (apart from me and cuan) who is interested in having a kick with us sometime, mail me. Thanks a lot nathan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15551 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f62.hotmail.com [207.82.251.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07374 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:41:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 52810 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 1999 16:41:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990409164129.52809.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.137 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:41:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.137] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] German freestyle Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:41:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, My but it's been quiet around here, anyway thanks to the wonders of the internet and discount train tickets most of the last month I was traveling to different places in Germany and meeting with footbag clubs. And because I always had my digicam handy you get to share the experience. You can see my photos at http:// members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/ index.html and then click on multimedia. Special props go to: Ole, for being crazy enough to try and organize the european championships this year (and being nice enough to put me up for a week). Jan, for just being really good, lots of 4s and I saw him come close to a ripped warior(sp?) Mark Inzinger(sp sorry) who is now hitting ripwalk on both sides, plus a bunch of other hein moves and was also nice enough to put me up for a week. And to everyone else I met along the way and to anyone helping to spred the footbag conspiricy outside of north america. Hope to see at least a few of you at the European Masters. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15560 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA30827 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:00:57 -0700 Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (root@rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.149]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA09117 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id KAA29031 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0.Beta6) id KAA28986 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904051401.KAA28986@rac9.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Big Apple Sauce Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey big apple sauce is spinning-blurry-symposium torque. basically a big apple with a quick extra dexterity thrown in right before the symp torque. the first dexterity ends up going straight into the clip stall with the symp torque moving 'thru' its motion visually. ends up looking like huge spinning symposium food processor thing with the symposium dex interrupting the blender. i think footage from michigan Xmas jam 94/95 would have some of kens best early attempts. huge. set the bag off your clipper, plant the set foot spin away from bag (ie opposed shoulder encounters set area backside first ), as you come to face the set again, move other leg in->out around bag ( blurry) and as you move the dex outta the way, leap off planted foot and do an in->out dexterit over the bag and catch it on the other foot in osis. huge. l8r- v .. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 07:58:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15566 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:58:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18760 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:04:10 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA01254 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:03:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx43-15.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.143) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001073; Tue Apr 6 13:02:36 1999 Message-ID: <370A522F.7142@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:27:59 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: dragonosis - was: Re: [freestyle] frigidosis? References: <922937375.19733.566@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan Haggett wrote: > > Dragonosis. Most commonly I will set and catch in outside-xbody and then > just carry through, setting the bag off a side set. I'm far from an expert on dragons and stuff, but it seems to me that what you are talking about is related more to a wrap than an osis. If you stall, then wrap, that would be two seperate moves. If you saw my other post about frigidosis, then you could think of an osis as two moves - a frigidosis imediately followed by a wrap to the cross body. If you do it all at once, it is a smooth and flowing three add move. If you do it seperately, it would be a one add delay followed by a 2 add wrap (even though in this case it is harder than the osis). So, I guess my point is this: If you do the delay then the wrap, those are two moves. If you do the delayandthewrap, that is one move. As to what a dragonosis is, ask Jon Schnieder (sp?) aka "The Dragonslayer". There hasn't been a move hit either to or from dragon that he can't bust out both sides. He was at Southern Regionals last year, maybe again this year? Let me know Jon. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 08:01:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15673 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:01:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f120.hotmail.com [209.185.131.183]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02550 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:08:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 48155 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1999 05:08:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990403050842.48154.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.13.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:08:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.156.13.65] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] frigidosis? Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:08:40 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up Allan, I think I just answered what a frigidosis is so on to the dragonosis. Because I need some clarification myself. I have seen Darryl Genz do 3 amazing dragon swirls and these were what I consider to be "dragon", delayed in the cross body position on the outside surface of the foot-And no spin involved. I also saw him hit a pixie butterfly dragon, but the dragon had a spin involved- I think this is a dragnosis. Every dragon move I ever try is like a dragonosis, that is to much pressure on my knees to try and stop from spinning. So what do the real masters of the dragon like Darryl say? Are there three separate moves the Dragon, the spinning outside, with the dragonosis falling somewhere between the other two. Or is the dagonosis a different move witch requires a dex. by the plant leg before the dragon. Later (puf Puff) Jon Nagela >From: "Allan Haggett" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] frigidosis? >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:29:35 PST > >Keeickas! > >What's a frigidosis? Notation's cool... words are good too... Also, >Dragonosis. Most commonly I will set and catch in outside-xbody and then >just carry through, setting the bag off a side set. I seem to recall having >an old print out of a moves list(a year and a half or so ago, before the new >database) that defined dragonosis as requiring a seperate dex by the set leg >after the clipper set, catching in outside-xbody and THEN carry through.... >3 adds. To me the difference between what I'm doing and that is like calling >a blender a 3add move, moving just an osis to 2. Confusing? to the point, >why the dex after a clipper? There is no dex in an osis. The body add is >more than present in the carry through, without an ADDitional dexterity. I >no longer have that print out, maybe I'm just remembering it wrong, someone >set me straight, please. > >Allan K. Haggett >SoleAir Productions >Victoria, BC > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 08:01:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15684 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:01:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f242.hotmail.com [209.185.130.207]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02391 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:47:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 66282 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1999 04:47:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990403044714.66281.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.13.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:47:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.156.13.65] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:47:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up, I hope everybody made it to one of the tournaments this past weekend to witness the first "official" Phat trick contests. The phat trick contests at the freestyle nats. was the highlight of the competition for me. Sebastian from Montreal and I got in a long run off for second place because the contest was judged on add value and neither of us even attemped a 5 add move. Ian Dubman blew everbody else in the Intermediates out of the water with a paradox blender on his first try. I didnt even consider trying to hit the fairy frigidosis-because I cant hit it with any consistency, not because of its lack of add value. Anyway my best description of a fairy frigidosis goes like this- right toe delay, right foot fairy set which travels over to the left side of the body, twist your left leg clockwise and delay the bag on the left inside surface while your foot is on the left side of your body-it helps if you rest the left foot outside surface on the ground. Please note that I dont recommend this move be attempted because it is too weird. Later Jon Nagela >From: "James Gilbert" >To: >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:20:12 -0600 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 2:10 AM >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National >FreestyleChampionships '99 > > >> > Is a 2 add fairy frigidosis Phat? >> > Later, Jon Nagela >> > >> >> Do you plant? >> >> BRAD >> > >Could someone please inform me of what a 2 add fairy frigidosis is and how >to do it? I know what a fairy is, but not about the frigidosis part is. > Also I am hopefully going to the 1999 Southern Regional Footbag >Championships in Dallas, and I think I should enter in the freestyle novice >(as opposed to open or intermediate difficulty) competition, but not >positive. I can hit a clipper stall, toe stall, outside stall, inside stall, >clipper kick, and flying clipper kick with both feet easily. I can also do >an around the world and pixie with both feet easily; and a mirage from a >clipper or toe stall, dragonfly kick, and butterfly kick with my right foot. >I can delay the bag on my neck, shoulder, and chest easily also. > >Thanks, >James Gilbert Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 08:01:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15692 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:01:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18530 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:55:51 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA29762 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:55:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx43-15.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.143) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029573; Tue Apr 6 12:53:43 1999 Message-ID: <370A5018.5410@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:19:04 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat Trick Contest Rules for National FreestyleChampionships '99 References: <008101be7bff$5269e0a0$02000003@rtgilber> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > Could someone please inform me of what a 2 add fairy frigidosis is and how > to do it? I know what a fairy is, but not about the frigidosis part is. Frigidosis is a weird little move. Frigidosis is to outside what a dragon is to clipper. In other words, a frigidosis is an inside delay caught behind the support leg and on the OUTSIDE of the body - not cross body. Try stalling a right foot clipper and then twisting it behind you until you can look at it over your right shoulder. I guess the way it got its name is that it is just like the beginning of an osis, but you freeze before you do the spin. I have video of Rippin throwing one in before a run - kick, kick, kick, frigidosis, kick, then some mean stuff. Perhaps I could get it posted to dallasfootbag.org if there was enough interest... > Also I am hopefully going to the 1999 Southern Regional Footbag > Championships in Dallas this coming APRIL 24th and 25th, Just as EVERYONE should :) I hope to see the other people who started this thread so that I can clear up any further confusion on a fairy frigidosis (both planting and non planting) Are you going to make it again this year Brad? I've got a bone to pick with you for edging me out of 2nd last year :) And I'll get the little guy to leave your girlfriend alone... > and I think I should enter in the freestyle novice > (as opposed to open or intermediate difficulty) competition, but not > positive. Get here first, and then we'll see. As with any tournament, you can't be sure of the turnout or the level of play until it starts. There are several up and coming players in the Dallas area that are also playing on the tiltless (all 2 add or better) level. If we get a huge number of guiltless (3 ors better) intermediates, then we can have a novice division. But, as things stand now, the only novice freestyle event we are planning is a circle shred where we have circles of four players and the top two advance by impressing judges that will be walking around. It'll get down to one circle, then two people, then the winner. Either way - novice or intermediate, you will have fun. So, ya'll come on down now, ya' hear? Bring friends that haven't been to this tournament before and get a discount. See you in a few weeks. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 08:06:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15397 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:39:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f62.hotmail.com [207.82.251.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07374 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:41:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 52810 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 1999 16:41:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990409164129.52809.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.137 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:41:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.137] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] German freestyle Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:41:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, My but it's been quiet around here, anyway thanks to the wonders of the internet and discount train tickets most of the last month I was traveling to different places in Germany and meeting with footbag clubs. And because I always had my digicam handy you get to share the experience. You can see my photos at http:// members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/ index.html and then click on multimedia. Special props go to: Ole, for being crazy enough to try and organize the european championships this year (and being nice enough to put me up for a week). Jan, for just being really good, lots of 4s and I saw him come close to a ripped warior(sp?) Mark Inzinger(sp sorry) who is now hitting ripwalk on both sides, plus a bunch of other hein moves and was also nice enough to put me up for a week. And to everyone else I met along the way and to anyone helping to spred the footbag conspiricy outside of north america. Hope to see at least a few of you at the European Masters. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 08:15:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15168 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:31:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19990404184249.19843.rocketmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.207.207] by web217.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:42:49 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re: [freestyle] "Big Apple" vs. "Big Apple Sauce" To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Eric and everyone Big Apple Sauce is a gyrating blurry torque. Clipper set, back spin, setting leg crosses the bag from in to out(gyro mirage)then the oppisite leg circles the bag from in to out, the the setting leg catches to bag in an osis. Sounds impossible. To my knowledge it has never been hit. Although I heard Kenny had it roll off his foot. Proving the impossible is possible. Alex Zerbe --- Eric Wulff wrote: > Hi Scott & all.. > > For the record.. > > Symposium Mobius is "Big Apple". > > "Big Apple Sauce" is something different which I'm > not sure of. > > iron > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 13 08:24:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15273 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:51:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10455 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:59:43 -0700 Received: from rtgilber (usr139.clearsail.net [207.252.227.139]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26086 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:57:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01be815b$462528c0$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Stomping Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:01:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have two questions, actually, one about stomping and another one about something else. Does stomping add an add to the move? If so, that would mean a stomping pixie would be 3 adds? Also could someone please explain to me what a fairy frigidosis is? It was mentioned in a letter about the Phat Trick contest a while back, and it sounds really cool and I would like to know how to do it. Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 14 13:36:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02526 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:36:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29711 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:15:43 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id zYEZa01911 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2213ef2d.24456149@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:11:05 EDT Subject: [freestyle] (freestyle)X-Games Experience To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Reply-To: Damonmath@aol.com Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, This e-mail message concerns the X-Games, If you want to here about our footbag demo, please continue to read: This weekend the X-Games Experience visited the campus of UNCC. The demo was held right outside my apartment across the street. I could see the vert ramp from my apartment. The place was packed with spectators, as well as, many skaters, roller bladers, flatland bikers, and of course footbaggers. The most exciting thing there was the vert skaters. Both locals and pro's busted out phat tricks all over the place. ESPN was there filming the action. Between sessions there was an hour or so of down time. There were booths set up to occupy spectactors between sessions. There were also several bands there playing heavy metal music. Jason and I took full advantage of the down times by shredin' in front of the vert ramp. At first we were surrounded by passers by, then after about five minutes or so the passers by turned into a crowd of people, ESPN cameras, and photographers taking high speed shots of us. It was exciting seeing the crowd grow. On Sunday Jason kicked harder than ever, landing ten tricks tripless before the day was done. He was on fire, ripwalk-blurrywhirl-blur-legbeater-ripwalk-ripwalk-blur-fairybutterfly-ripwalk -torque. We both received compliments from the pro riders. "You guys have mad skills" they said. One of the pro rollerbladers, Verell Popa even joined our circle. I also received many compliments from the ladies. It just goes to show hard work pays off, in more ways than one. Keep on shredin'. The Demon(forever my footbag nickname) Damon Mathews From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 15 01:11:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04356 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:11:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06919 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:10:52 -0700 Received: from [207.208.187.63] (d63.focal7.interaccess.com [207.208.187.63]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA06496 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:10:36 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:04:33 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: [freestyle] Re: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! > I just got word that the X-Games is coming to UNC Charlotte. My >school! Jason "Legbeater" Crook, Jon "Just hit his first five add" Ogden, >and Myself plan on shreddin' it up in the crowd at the X-Games this weekand. >Jason is also and excellent skater pulling kick-flips, 360-flips, hill-flips, >switch stance everthing, etc. You get the picture. Its going to be >awesome!!!! > We all plan on shreddin' hard to represent, represent, >REPRE---SENT!! This is another opportunity for footbag did get some >publicity. I'd be very interested to see their tour schedule!!! Do you know it? Do you know where to find it? Lets hit them in every place they go! Freestyle is strong! Is there anyone (not a net player) pushing freestyle to the X-Games? If it is not "life threatening" do they still care? We should approach them with a united front... any takers? See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 15 03:15:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04977 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:15:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f160.hotmail.com [207.82.251.39]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08543 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:31:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 88165 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 1999 18:31:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990414183112.88164.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.107.152.29 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:31:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.107.152.29] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: X-Games Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:31:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I'd be very interested to see their tour schedule!!! Do you know it? Do >you know where to find it? >Lets hit them in every place they go! > >Freestyle is strong! Is there anyone (not a net player) pushing freestyle >to the X-Games? If it is not "life threatening" do they still care? We >should approach them with a united front... any takers? > >See ya! >Scott Davidson >Enlightener I found they schedule on http://espn.go.com/extreme/xgames/index.html Louiseville: April 22-25 Richmond: May 6-9 San Francisco: June 25-July 3 Danny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 15 09:01:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05971 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:01:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15032 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:42:59 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FA700J01DV87A@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:42:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:42:44 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] frigidosis? In-reply-to: <19990403050842.48154.qmail@hotmail.com> To: jon nagela Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If you want a master of dragons you should see John Schneider. He has taken dragons to the next level. He lands dragon set and catch torques, whirling swirl (dragon catch), ripstyle (dragon catch), and and all sorts of other mind altering tricks. I might add that he hits these in mid string as regularly as breathing. He's on the list, and maybe he'll peek his head out for this. BRAD On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, jon nagela wrote: > masters of the dragon like Darryl say? Are there three separate moves > the Dragon, the spinning outside, with the dragonosis falling somewhere > between the other two. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 15 09:01:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05975 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:01:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16527 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:29:52 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.10) id zQZNa04246 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d0679ce.24468c87@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: X-Games To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Reply-To: Damonmath@aol.com Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The X-Games tour includes: St.Petersberg FA, Louisville, KY, Baltimore, Richmond, VA, Cleveland Ohio, St. Louis, Kansas City, Kansas, Denver, and last Santa Barabra CA. Check out ESPN.com for a schedule including times. The tour started in Charlotte. We pushed to have footbag recognized by ESPN. If anyone can make any of the dates, I strongly urge you to attend. There is plenty of room to show your stuff and increase awareness of the sport. I'm with you Scott! Demon Damon Mathews From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 15 11:36:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06342 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:36:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (wya-oe3.hotmail.com [207.82.253.68]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18159 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:44:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 79769 invoked by uid 0); 15 Apr 1999 01:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990415014444.79768.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.178.114.163 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:44:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.178.114.163] From: "keith myers" To: hey_dan@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: X-Games Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:44:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org id definately like to see freestyle at x-games. i like to shred but i dont really play around with to many combinations. all i can say is unite the hackers! keith "madhakn'" myers _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 15 14:40:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06694 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:40:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f35.hotmail.com [207.82.250.46]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20976 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:20:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 11723 invoked by uid 0); 15 Apr 1999 05:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990415052022.11722.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:20:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Rushmore Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:20:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. It's great to see the e-mail list up and running again. This isn't too freestyle related, but in the movie Rushmore, the main character wears a pair of rod lavers throughout the movie, even though they aren't modified for freestyle. Anybody know when "She's All That" is coming out on video? Ken CF Somolinos nyfD _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 16 06:08:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09121 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:08:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04751 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:08:08 -0700 Received: from st13 (macst13.ma.psu.edu [146.186.40.13]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA32472 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:08:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990415180810.18972dba@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: kxa141@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:08:10 To: From: Kaiser Ahmad Subject: [freestyle] Paradox whirl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody, I just joined the list yesterday and it seems pretty dope. Anyways, I was schooling today and I got stuck on paradox whirl. I have hit it before on occasion but I have never been consistent with it. My problem is that everytime I set the bag, I can always get the dex, but the bag always ends up on the floor in front of my clipper foot, no matter which side I try it on. Can someone please help because I'm up at college and no one around here freestyles and there is hardly anyone to kick with. Kids just feel like sitting back and watching me. This doesn't help at all. It sucks shredding by yourself. It gets very tiring and there is no one to give you any advice on how to complete a certain move. So please, somebody HELP! Lord Kay NYFA represents From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 16 06:19:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09214 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:19:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05058 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:16:55 -0700 Received: from st13 (macst13.ma.psu.edu [146.186.40.13]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA148068 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:16:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990415181657.1ac7efcc@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: kxa141@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:16:57 To: From: Kaiser Ahmad Subject: [freestyle] Phat combos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, what do you think of this!? Blurrier - Blurriest - Blurrage It would be a phat combo if anybody could or has already hit it. Lord knows I never will. Lord Kay NYFA From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 16 06:19:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09226 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:19:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05114 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:20:10 -0700 Received: from st13 (macst13.ma.psu.edu [146.186.40.13]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17554 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:20:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990415182009.18976914@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: kxa141@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:20:09 To: From: Kaiser Ahmad Subject: [freestyle] double helix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was looking at ad on Sean Wingert's home page for some freestyle videos that he is selling. He mentions Scott Davidson's double helix. Can anyone tell me exactly what that move is? Lord Kay NYFA From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 16 13:28:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10319 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:28:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f214.hotmail.com [209.185.130.124]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13037 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:27:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 69245 invoked by uid 0); 16 Apr 1999 05:27:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990416052718.69244.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.11.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:27:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.11.144] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Is the 5th annual thc footbag going on this weekend? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:27:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I heard from someone that frank cancelled but i havent seen anything posted. If anyone has any info please reply ASAP Thanks Jon Nagela _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 16 16:45:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01491 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:45:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web222.mail.yahoo.com (web222.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.122]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22867 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: <19990416163705.11229.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.108.197.65] by web222.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:05 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: cory current Subject: [freestyle] no 5th annual thc, but Malta indoor!!! To: freestyle@footbag.org, a455beater@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey everybody, jon nagela wrote: > Subject: [freestyle] Is the 5th annual thc footbag > going on this weekend? > > I heard from someone that frank cancelled > but i havent seen > anything posted. If anyone has any info please > reply ASAP The rumor is true, the tournament has been cancelled. :-( Frank's lettin' us down. c'mon Frank, look at all the poor little hearts you've broken! I guess we'll find it in our broken little hearts to forgive you, though. However, there is a kick-down happening tomorrow (Saturday) in the gymnasium at Kishwaukee college in Malta, IL, courtesy of Steve Smith. It's true, it's gonna be mostly net with a 'ruler of the court' competition between us netters, but I've talked to Smith and any freestyler is more than welcome to come on out and shred away. Judging from the weather forecast, it's lookin pretty rainy, so this a definite indoor sanctuary from the elements. Where: Kishwaukee College, Malta IL When: 1pm, Saturday April 17th. Who: Anyone welcome Directions: Take 88 West to Dekalb. Exit at the Annie Glidden exit (north). Turn left at first stop light (Lincoln Highway, route '38). Follow 38 for 8-10 miles, Go approx. 1 mile past Malta, and turn right just before Kishwaukee college. Take the first left. Follow around back and park. (should be a green ford tempo with Iowa plates, blue chevy, possibly black VW Jetta). Enter through the men's locker room into gymnasium and proceed to kick. It's probably a little over an hour from the general city area, but much closer than a 4-hour drive to Charleston. Hope to see you there === kick. Cory Current 1999 Chicago World's Director KQ journalist _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Apr 17 00:22:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02613 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:22:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web222.mail.yahoo.com (web222.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.122]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22867 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: <19990416163705.11229.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.108.197.65] by web222.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:05 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: cory current Subject: [freestyle] no 5th annual thc, but Malta indoor!!! To: freestyle@footbag.org, a455beater@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey everybody, jon nagela wrote: > Subject: [freestyle] Is the 5th annual thc footbag > going on this weekend? > > I heard from someone that frank cancelled > but i havent seen > anything posted. If anyone has any info please > reply ASAP The rumor is true, the tournament has been cancelled. :-( Frank's lettin' us down. c'mon Frank, look at all the poor little hearts you've broken! I guess we'll find it in our broken little hearts to forgive you, though. However, there is a kick-down happening tomorrow (Saturday) in the gymnasium at Kishwaukee college in Malta, IL, courtesy of Steve Smith. It's true, it's gonna be mostly net with a 'ruler of the court' competition between us netters, but I've talked to Smith and any freestyler is more than welcome to come on out and shred away. Judging from the weather forecast, it's lookin pretty rainy, so this a definite indoor sanctuary from the elements. Where: Kishwaukee College, Malta IL When: 1pm, Saturday April 17th. Who: Anyone welcome Directions: Take 88 West to Dekalb. Exit at the Annie Glidden exit (north). Turn left at first stop light (Lincoln Highway, route '38). Follow 38 for 8-10 miles, Go approx. 1 mile past Malta, and turn right just before Kishwaukee college. Take the first left. Follow around back and park. (should be a green ford tempo with Iowa plates, blue chevy, possibly black VW Jetta). Enter through the men's locker room into gymnasium and proceed to kick. It's probably a little over an hour from the general city area, but much closer than a 4-hour drive to Charleston. Hope to see you there === kick. Cory Current 1999 Chicago World's Director KQ journalist _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Apr 17 00:27:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01491 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:45:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web222.mail.yahoo.com (web222.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.122]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22867 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: <19990416163705.11229.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.108.197.65] by web222.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:05 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: cory current Subject: [freestyle] no 5th annual thc, but Malta indoor!!! To: freestyle@footbag.org, a455beater@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey everybody, jon nagela wrote: > Subject: [freestyle] Is the 5th annual thc footbag > going on this weekend? > > I heard from someone that frank cancelled > but i havent seen > anything posted. If anyone has any info please > reply ASAP The rumor is true, the tournament has been cancelled. :-( Frank's lettin' us down. c'mon Frank, look at all the poor little hearts you've broken! I guess we'll find it in our broken little hearts to forgive you, though. However, there is a kick-down happening tomorrow (Saturday) in the gymnasium at Kishwaukee college in Malta, IL, courtesy of Steve Smith. It's true, it's gonna be mostly net with a 'ruler of the court' competition between us netters, but I've talked to Smith and any freestyler is more than welcome to come on out and shred away. Judging from the weather forecast, it's lookin pretty rainy, so this a definite indoor sanctuary from the elements. Where: Kishwaukee College, Malta IL When: 1pm, Saturday April 17th. Who: Anyone welcome Directions: Take 88 West to Dekalb. Exit at the Annie Glidden exit (north). Turn left at first stop light (Lincoln Highway, route '38). Follow 38 for 8-10 miles, Go approx. 1 mile past Malta, and turn right just before Kishwaukee college. Take the first left. Follow around back and park. (should be a green ford tempo with Iowa plates, blue chevy, possibly black VW Jetta). Enter through the men's locker room into gymnasium and proceed to kick. It's probably a little over an hour from the general city area, but much closer than a 4-hour drive to Charleston. Hope to see you there === kick. Cory Current 1999 Chicago World's Director KQ journalist _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Apr 17 06:56:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03744 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:56:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04842 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:32:46 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA07469 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:32:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx5-58.ix.netcom.com(207.94.121.186) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007418; Sat Apr 17 00:32:05 1999 Message-ID: <3718238C.1E44@utdallas.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:00:44 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] no 5th annual thc, but Malta indoor!!! References: <19990416163705.11229.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org cory current wrote: > > hey everybody, > > jon nagela wrote: > > Subject: [freestyle] Is the 5th annual thc footbag > > going on this weekend? > > > The rumor is true, the tournament has been cancelled. > :-( Frank's lettin' us down. > > c'mon Frank, look at all the poor little hearts you've > broken! I guess we'll find it in our broken little > hearts to forgive you, though. > You know what you could do... you could come to the 1999 Southern Regionals next weekend in Dallas, TX. It's funny that you should mention Steve Smith... he's making the trip. Why can't you? I'm specifically targetting freestylers with this message because I love to freestyle. Right now, we have the Dallas crew of up and coming shredders - we aren't *quite* tripless. Also, Kyle "Kung Fu" Crawford is only a couple hours away and is sure to make an appearance. There was talk about a fairy frigidosis earlier in the month.... If I said that I could hit a fairy *ducking* frigidosis, would that bring some people out here? How about Matt's blender > torque > blender > torque combo? Or Crazy E's spinning butterfly > pdx drifter > symp whirl? Come on freestylers... there is still plenty of floor space for those who need it. Other than Texas freestylers, we have Ian Dubman coming in from CO. I heard something on this list a short while ago about him winning a phat tricks contest with a pdx blender on the first attempt. Want to see it in the flesh? Then go to our web page, respond to this email, call me 972-671-0722. We have great Tshirts featuring artwork by Kung Fu Kyle, the new issues of Kicker's Quarterly, music from a local radio station and bags all to give away to competitors. At least look at our webpage http://www.dallasfootbag.org You will have fun. I promise. See you next week. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Apr 17 06:56:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03740 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:56:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hissy.excite.com (hissy-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.229]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01796 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:34:45 -0700 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by hissy.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990417013415.RJFJ29310.hissy@doby.excite.com>; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:34:15 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: kxa141@psu.edu Subject: [freestyle] paradox whirl, etc... Message-Id: <924312855.26950.699@excite.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:34:15 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 204.174.243.73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Lord, Paradox whirl, I've found, is one of those moves that you have to have that perfect, a little-below-waist-height, VERTICAL, set. No(or practically, no)drift. Mind that almost all moves are like this, it's just more important in this particular move because the paradox turns your body to the degree that if the bag drifts you'll have to over-compensate to catch the clipper, costing you essential nano-seconds. If your planting after the set, don't(or do... but it'll cost you time, try it without and when you get it add the plant). Just before your leg performs the dex, REALLY pull it up so that it creates the momentum pulling your body up as you go around the bag and you become airborn for a moment. That Should give you enough time to get that clipper under. Also, if you THINK you'll never hit that combo, you probably won't. Allan Haggett Victoria, BC _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 19 22:53:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11400 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:53:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA27510 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:29:59 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Apr 19 15:29:12 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:29:12 -0800 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] no 5th annual thc, but Malta indoor!!! X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Other than Texas freestylers, we have Ian Dubman coming in >from CO. I heard something on this list a short while ago about him >winning a phat tricks contest with a pdx blender on the first attempt. Wow, I am blushing. Hehe, I beleive there was some misinterpreted info here. One, I am from MO (Missouri), Columbia to be precise, not Colorado. I am more than likely not going to be able to make the journey:-( This truly is a shame, I know that I am most likely going to be missing out on a killer time... C'est la vie. And about that phat trick contest... hehe, thanks for the props but my modest side says I don't know if that was worth mentioning. About that contest, I never said anything before, but Mike B, Scott D, and the Chicago boys threw a phat tournament for the KQ Nat Freestyle Championships. I had a killer time and the new events were definitely, in my opinion, something that need to be considered for future tournaments. Are they gonna be in So Regionals?? Curiosity... Late, Ian Dubman MUFF "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 19 22:53:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11404 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:53:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA27741 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:40 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Apr 19 15:38:59 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:38:59 -0800 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] Dallas anyone?? Goin' south... X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up?? After just discounting myself from attending Southern Regionals I would like to bring myself back into the picture. Is there anyone in the midwest [Chicago(anyone), Charleston(Frank), Kansas(James), or anywhere] who plans on heading that way and who might have a spare seat. I might even ride with some net players if you know any heading that way--hehe, just kidding net players can be really cool at times... enuff ripping on net. Seriously, I would appreciate any info anyone could toss my way. Or if you live in the midwest and you might want to throw down on a trip, maybe I can get a MUFF member or two to make the haul also--we might even drive if you are brave enuff to ride in my car. FILL ME IN!!! Ian MUFF "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 20 01:19:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12078 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:19:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA30425 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:55:29 -0700 Received: from postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id RAA27469; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id RAA16632; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAkzztq4KeJITaI2TWqWvHJV64r/sCFASQYpHG9jHjZnGcarMvs7JkQxXG From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Lost CD ? Message-ID: <529-371BD07F-14598@postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1122961460-7758 Status: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone ! This is for everyone that did freestyle at the tourney in Champaign a couple weeks ago. My player was used, and a cd got left in it. eMail me and i will send it to you. Everyone shred hard, i've got a feeling that this years Worlds will be the best ever ! Best wishes, GFS Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Click for Ann Arbor, Michigan ForecastFootbag Worldwide From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 20 02:27:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12273 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:27:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA31619 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:49:47 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA13375 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:49:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx5-58.ix.netcom.com(207.94.121.186) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013347; Mon Apr 19 20:49:14 1999 Message-ID: <371BE406.6FB6@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:18:46 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Southern Regionals is THIS weekend (Apr 24-25) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian (I'm not from Colorado) Dubman wrote: > Hehe, I beleive there was some misinterpreted info here. One, I am from MO > (Missouri), Columbia to be precise, not Colorado. I am more than likely not going to be able to > make the journey:-( This truly is a shame, I know that I am most likely going to be missing out > on a killer time... C'est la vie. Using French won't get you out of this one, buddy! You will be missing out on a killer time if you don't come. As will everyone who doesn't come... So, get down here. I don't care if you have to hitchike. About people coming in from the midwest, you should talk them into it. I'll help ANYONE WHO GIVES IAN DUBMAN A RIDE TO THE 1999 SOUTHERN REGIONALS GETS FREE ENTRY! (Ian, if you drive, you get the free entry) There you go. Now, there is no excuse. > And about that phat trick contest... hehe, thanks for the props > but my modest side says I don't know if that was worth mentioning. I disagree. A pdx blender IS worth the mention. Now, watch Rippin do it symposium. > About that contest, I never > said anything before, but Mike B, Scott D, and the Chicago boys threw a phat tournament for the KQ > Nat Freestyle Championships. I had a killer time and the new events were definitely, in my > opinion, something that need to be considered for future tournaments. Are they gonna be in So > Regionals?? Curiosity... Yes. I plan on having several different judging formats drawn up. At the player's meeting Saturday morning, we will take a vote to see who wants which system and how many different freestyle events we will have. We have a stage reserved for the first part of the day on Sunday, so I think we'll have time to try out a few different formats - sorry, but prize money is only for the main freestyle event (2 min routine judged by other competitors and ranked accordingly). Anyone else have any excuses? Ian, I'll see you in Dallas. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 21 15:45:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18519 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:45:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25036 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:59:33 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FAJ00L0122XNN@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:59:20 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] Western Regionals crash space To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, I am looking for some floor space for myself and a friend during Western Regionals. It doesn't necessarily have to be the same place, though that would be prefered. Let me know. Thanks, BRAD From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 26 10:00:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03456 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:00:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f95.hotmail.com [207.82.250.201]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25523 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:47:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 9414 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 1999 01:46:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990426014620.9413.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.184.25.162 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:46:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.25.162] From: "matt dick" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] to tongue...or not to tongue? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:46:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all I was just wondering do you guys find it helps your freestylin' if you lace your lavers through the tongue notch or not. Which config do you prefer??? just curious! MaTt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 26 10:00:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03452 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:00:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from axe.humboldt.edu (axe.humboldt.edu [137.150.148.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23067 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:13:09 -0700 Received: from hsu62364 (hsu62364.humboldt.edu [137.150.243.156]) by axe.humboldt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29572 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990423191313.0082d6d0@axe.humboldt.edu> X-Sender: ran3@axe.humboldt.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:13:13 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Roy Newman Subject: [freestyle] Tevas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is the preferred style/model of Tevas for footbag? THanks, Roy Newman From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 27 08:16:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03687 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:16:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12342 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:23:42 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com (4419) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zHXVa13357 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:18:38 EDT Subject: [freestyle] new lavers? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Nageylum@aol.com Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey 'stylers, a while back i remember some one (i think sean wingert) saying something about new lavers, and well about a week ago i saw them in Dick's a sporting goods store. Well i bout them and well i was wondering since these are, in my opinion, a lot different then the older style, if anyone knew a special way to modify them to enhance kicking pleasure. Please keep in mind i've already taken the canvas outa the inside and freed the toe box. but beyound that i'm stumbed. for those who have yet to see the "newer" design go to http://members.aol.com/nageylum/footbag where i have a couple pictures of them. Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 27 08:17:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03693 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:17:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f192.hotmail.com [207.82.251.81]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14974 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:01:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 3405 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1999 00:00:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990427000033.3404.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.184.24.48 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:00:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.24.48] From: "matt dick" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Osis?? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:00:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org HI again As you can probably tell i've been shreddin it up lately. The snow finally Left here!!! aNYways... Ineed some help(advice) on hitting an osis. I have tricks of the trade and I can almost hit them. I have trouble with bringing the sack back up to me as it usually goes flyin' in the direction my catching foot is pointin. (from left Xbdy to rfoot osis the sack goes flyin left). I have had the joy iof hitting a couple but my consaistency is what you could say "in the toilet and on it's way down!" hehe . anyway I could really use any help or any suggestions as to how i can make this dream (to hit the osis consistently) a reality!!!! THANKS aLOt MaTt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 27 23:27:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05717 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:27:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f84.hotmail.com [207.82.250.190]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29335 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:46:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 7438 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1999 14:45:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990427144554.7437.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.142 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:44:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.142] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Osis and new Lavers Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:44:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Man it's been dead around here, anyway Matt wrote: >I need some help(advice) on hitting an osis. I have tricks of the >trade and I can almost hit them. I have trouble with bringing the >sack back up to me as it usually goes flyin' in the direction my >catching foot is pointin. To be honest some of those osis (what is plural of osis?) on tricks of the trade are less than ideal. They gave him a new bag so it would show up well on camera and as a result it's kind of rolly (no offence to Kenny, he's still a god). Anyway to answer your question if the bag is flying off your toe probably one of two things is wrong, either you aren't finishing your rotation or you aren't leveling your foot out. Try catching a clipper and just holding it on your foot. Look down, if your foot isn't level it'll make an osis more difficult to catch and naturally if you can't hold it because it keeps rolling off your foot then you know what the problem is. Also make sure you are rotating completely. Remember when you finnish an osis you should be in clipper position again. When you start the move begin to turn your ancle, spot the bag until it's right about to land on your foot. You begin to catch the bag "blind" before your foot is totally level and then continue the catch as you rotate into cliper position. You should have finnished the downward catching mosion just as you have fully turned into clipper position. I know when I first started doing osis I wouldn't turn far enough and the bag would either fall off my foot or go flying forward off my toe. If you don't turn far enough then your foot just can't get level. Good luck. As a sugestion you might also want to work on frigidosis, if you can hit that, osis, blender and dino become cake. Now so long as I'm writing I was currious how well the new lavers work for freestyle. From the picture I saw the changes were slight, but it looks like the instep is a little wider (which is good) and the toes looked a little harder to open (which is bad). Anybodys impressions? -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 28 10:51:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08475 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:51:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f173.hotmail.com [207.82.251.59]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06394 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:27:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 22439 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1999 17:26:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990427172654.22438.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.1 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:26:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.1] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships Shred Contest Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:26:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >1st Scott Davidson (Blurry Whirl, Mobius, LocoMotion) 5 + 5 + 6 = >16 total >2nd Greg Nelson (Paradox Blender, Mobius, Paradox Torque) 4 + 5 + >5 = 14 total >3rd James Widman (Blur, Fog, Blurry Whirl) 4 + 4 + 5 = 13 total I will make one and only one criticism: A string is greater than the sum of its parts. For example, player A hits butterfly to double leg-over. 3+3=6 Player B hits spinning paradox torque to scorpion tail swirl. 6+6=12 Is the second string really only twice as hard as the first? Of course not. It's exponentially harder. I believe this event must be judged by human beings. With all of their foibles. Thanks. Dan Kramer _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 28 10:51:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08471 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:51:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06223 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:21:47 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com (3878) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 8BJMa06727; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <94e0b4dc.24575813@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:12:35 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Osis and new Lavers To: damocles_schwert@hotmal.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Nageylum@aol.com Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 4/27/99 11:34:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, damocles_schwert@hotmail.com writes: << Now so long as I'm writing I was currious how well the new lavers work for freestyle. From the picture I saw the changes were slight, but it looks like the instep is a little wider (which is good) and the toes looked a little harder to open (which is bad). Anybodys impressions? >> from what i've noticed the toe is pretty much the same, but thee is a indent on the in and out steps, which makes the shoe a lil less forgiving if you stall a lil off. Also the thickness of the nylon has increased, which is bad. one of the big changes i noticed is the glue they ues to put hte padding/canvas on the inside had changed or something cause now there are lil paches of the glue and padding in it. another thing is a wide sole, which prevents rolling over for those of us that do it. i like the shoe but i think kicking is a lil different, it's about 2/3 the weight of the old lavers. Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 28 10:52:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08491 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:52:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f7.hotmail.com [207.82.250.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12180 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:09:06 -0700 Received: (qmail 96734 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 1999 02:08:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990428020835.96733.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.184.24.158 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:08:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.24.158] From: "matt dick" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver mods:the second saga. Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:08:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all me again. The latest thing which has crossed my mind is wether I want to complete the modification process to my lavers. I have done the modifications illustrated by Kenny Shultz on Tricks of the trade, but now that I have gotten a new pair of every-day shoes I want to make my lavers the ULTIMATE hack shoe! I rerad the WFA instructions on modifying the shoes but i dont quite understand what it says. When it says #3 cut away canvas. Is this the canvas around the ankle (the white stuff and blue stuff that says Rod Laver on the back) and the canvas that supports the eye-stays? Also, about the "canvas strip around the toe" is this the little strip that runs all the way around the front of the toe (greyish in color)? and should it go to? And last, about the optional foam removal, is this the little piece of foam right under kinda going into the tongue? DO these mods really help your sckoolin?? What exactly does removing these pieces of material accomplish. ALL input is apreciated. Thanks alot MaTt.. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 28 23:19:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10404 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:19:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f100.hotmail.com [207.82.250.219]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA22389 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:46:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 12404 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 1999 13:47:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990428134713.12403.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.189.23.192 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:47:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.189.23.192] From: "Ryan Sanders" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships Shred Contest Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:47:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello all, >>3rd James Widman (Blur, Fog, Blurry Whirl) 4 + 4 + 5 = 13 total Fog only 4 adds, fog is five adds. 1 for the stepping dex, 1 for the paradox, 2 for the double leg dexs, and 1 for the stall. Am I misinformed or what? Ryan Sanders _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 28 23:19:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10414 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:19:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd103.hotmail.com [207.82.252.167]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA21589 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:52:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 80620 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 1999 12:51:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990428125136.80619.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.27.84.15 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:51:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.27.84.15] From: "Brian Waligorski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] swirls Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:51:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, n' gals, I have two questions: 1.) On my swirls in general, but especially butterfly swirls, I keep smashing the bag into the ground when I try to get it underneath the bag. Can I get some pointers? 2.) Is there an official, or even unofficial, name for a da da curve swirl? I can come really close to it, and I was just wondering if there was a name so I can make myself sound better then I am... Thanks, Divin' Brian Waligorski _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 13:44:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17918 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:44:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f185.hotmail.com [209.185.131.248]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02060 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:18:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 10416 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 1999 05:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990430051813.10415.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.10.147 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:18:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.10.147] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] diving directions Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:18:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up kickers! I was watching a shred video the other day and I noticed that everone on the video was doing their dives differently than I do. For example: when they set it off their right clipper, they then move their head over to the left, and the bag comes up across their "right" ear, over their head and back down across their "left" ear, with the bag ending on the same side it started on. Since this is the way everbody seems to do it I consider this a "normal" dive. Now when I do it I set off my right clipper, the bag comes up to around shoulder/chest height, then I drop down a little, move my head to the left with the bag coming up across my "left" ear, over my head and back down across my "right" ear before ending back on the same side it started. My dive is like a duck but it doesnt switch sides. Is there any distinction between the two dives, names maybe? Any opinion on which is harder? Later, Jon Nagela _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 13:45:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17928 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:45:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24382 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:13:47 -0700 Received: from abc (jlw3368@abc.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.3]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with ESMTP id PAA28228; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:13:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by abc (8.8.8+Sun/1.34) id PAA26126; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:13:43 -0500 (CDT) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@abc.ksu.ksu.edu To: Ryan Sanders cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships Shred Contest In-Reply-To: <19990428134713.12403.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Ryan Sanders wrote: > > hello all, > > >>3rd James Widman (Blur, Fog, Blurry Whirl) 4 + 4 + 5 = 13 total > > Fog only 4 adds, fog is five adds. 1 for the stepping dex, 1 for the > paradox, 2 for the double leg dexs, and 1 for the stall. Am I > misinformed or what? > Ryan Sanders > THanks for the correction, Ryan! I would have eventually caught that fog: 5 adds, ( i.e Blurry Dbl Legover) James From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 23:04:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18874 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:04:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06524 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:36:17 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA8890; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:36:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990429073558.00922650@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:39:01 -0700 To: "Daniel Kramer" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matt Avery Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships Shred Contest In-Reply-To: <19990427172654.22438.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >3rd James Widman (Blur, Fog, Blurry Whirl) 4 + 4 + 5 = 13 total Hey guys- In the phat trick combo contest, wouldnt it be physically impossible to shred a fog after a blur, or a Blurry Whirl after a fog? Correct me if Im wrong, but the first two moves in that combo end in toe stalls. How would anyone be able to do a fog or blurry whirl after it? Matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 15:56:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19063 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:56:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11846 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:39:25 -0700 Received: from nbc (jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.5]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with ESMTP id KAA16496; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by nbc (8.8.8+Sun/1.34) id KAA08090; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:22 -0500 (CDT) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu To: Matt Avery cc: Daniel Kramer , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships Shred Contest In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990429073558.00922650@mail.direcpc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matt Avery wrote: > In the phat trick combo contest, wouldnt it be physically impossible to > shred a fog after a blur, or a Blurry Whirl after a fog? Correct me if > Im wrong, but the first two moves in that combo end in toe stalls. How > would anyone be able to do a fog or blurry whirl after it? not phat trick combo, just phat trick, (3 rounds) james From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 16:53:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19303 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:53:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f85.hotmail.com [207.82.250.191]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13194 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:28:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 83647 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 1999 16:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990430162917.83646.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:29:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: a455beater@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] diving directions Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:29:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Jon Nagela was asking about if his dive has a special name or is different than the "normal" dive. > Is there any distinction between the two dives, names maybe? IFAB views ducks and dives as pretty much the same move. What you are doing is something i call ducking same side. I don't do them myself, but Eli Piltz has said he has hit ducking same side pdx drifter. It sounds like a cool set. Ken CF Somolinos nyfd _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 23:07:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20317 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:07:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f85.hotmail.com [207.82.250.191]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13194 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:28:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 83647 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 1999 16:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990430162917.83646.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:29:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: a455beater@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] diving directions Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:29:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Jon Nagela was asking about if his dive has a special name or is different than the "normal" dive. > Is there any distinction between the two dives, names maybe? IFAB views ducks and dives as pretty much the same move. What you are doing is something i call ducking same side. I don't do them myself, but Eli Piltz has said he has hit ducking same side pdx drifter. It sounds like a cool set. Ken CF Somolinos nyfd _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 23:07:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20324 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:07:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11846 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:39:25 -0700 Received: from nbc (jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.5]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with ESMTP id KAA16496; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by nbc (8.8.8+Sun/1.34) id KAA08090; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:22 -0500 (CDT) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu To: Matt Avery cc: Daniel Kramer , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships Shred Contest In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990429073558.00922650@mail.direcpc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matt Avery wrote: > In the phat trick combo contest, wouldnt it be physically impossible to > shred a fog after a blur, or a Blurry Whirl after a fog? Correct me if > Im wrong, but the first two moves in that combo end in toe stalls. How > would anyone be able to do a fog or blurry whirl after it? not phat trick combo, just phat trick, (3 rounds) james From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 23:12:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19303 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:53:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f85.hotmail.com [207.82.250.191]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13194 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:28:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 83647 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 1999 16:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990430162917.83646.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:29:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: a455beater@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] diving directions Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:29:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Jon Nagela was asking about if his dive has a special name or is different than the "normal" dive. > Is there any distinction between the two dives, names maybe? IFAB views ducks and dives as pretty much the same move. What you are doing is something i call ducking same side. I don't do them myself, but Eli Piltz has said he has hit ducking same side pdx drifter. It sounds like a cool set. Ken CF Somolinos nyfd _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 30 23:19:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19063 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:56:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11846 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:39:25 -0700 Received: from nbc (jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.5]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with ESMTP id KAA16496; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by nbc (8.8.8+Sun/1.34) id KAA08090; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:39:22 -0500 (CDT) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@nbc.ksu.ksu.edu To: Matt Avery cc: Daniel Kramer , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kickers Quarterly National Freestyle Championships Shred Contest In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990429073558.00922650@mail.direcpc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matt Avery wrote: > In the phat trick combo contest, wouldnt it be physically impossible to > shred a fog after a blur, or a Blurry Whirl after a fog? Correct me if > Im wrong, but the first two moves in that combo end in toe stalls. How > would anyone be able to do a fog or blurry whirl after it? not phat trick combo, just phat trick, (3 rounds) james