From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat May 1 16:22:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01084 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:22:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f46.hotmail.com [216.32.181.46]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28486 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:33:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 92879 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 1999 05:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990501053318.92877.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.107.152.29 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:33:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.107.152.29] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] diving directions Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:33:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "jon nagela" My dive is like a duck but it doesnt >switch sides. Now try to do a dive ( the "everybody" way) but does switch sides... Danny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 7 04:28:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02581 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:28:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15450 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:43:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FBB00H01W8DOH@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:43:24 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] More Phat Trick Contests? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Are there going to be phat trick and string contests at Western Regionals and/or Worlds? From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 7 04:29:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02593 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:29:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11520 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:27:12 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FB9004010P0H2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 01:27:00 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver mods:the second saga. In-reply-to: <19990428020835.96733.qmail@hotmail.com> To: matt dick Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, matt dick wrote: > Is this the canvas around the ankle (the > white stuff and blue stuff that says Rod Laver on the back) and the > canvas that supports the eye-stays? Also, about the "canvas strip It's the canvas on the inside of the shoe which is attached to the nylon. There's a thin layer of glue keeping them together so you take your razor blade and work out a little piece then stick your finger in between to pull them apart so you can cut along the edge easier. Some people including myself recently go as far as to cut off the first couple of string holes. This severely lessens the "cup" but it has benefits in pixie and fairie sets and not having it stick annoyingly on the edge of the cup or getting it stuck in between the lip and your toe. Customize as you go to see how you like it. The canvas part is really good so you can feel the bag better, but you may not want to cut the toe as much. BRAD From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 7 04:29:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02602 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:29:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11846 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:31:12 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FB9003010VY0X@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 01:31:10 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] Dallas Footbag?? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What were the results from the Southern Regionals? BRAD From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 7 04:29:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02611 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:29:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f126.hotmail.com [207.82.251.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13542 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 04:23:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 11832 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 1999 11:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19990505112323.11831.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.137 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 May 1999 04:23:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.137] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Vert Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 04:23:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, While watching Skating vert I had an Idea for a new event format. This being an event format scoring could be any type, although with modifications (explained later). Competeters play for only 1 or 1 and a half minouts, and each gets three atempts at their routine keeping the best score and going in rotation to give them a rest between. As soon as they drop the bag the routine ends. Scoring could be any format, but it would have to be aditive in nature so that players can be judged fairly on what ever they completed. Naturally if a player finishes the max time they will have more time to add more to their score, so that is the goal. However if someone just feels like schreding like mad until they drop, and hope one out of three they'll get close to the time limit they may also place well. Seems like a fun format, and one that allows players to totally screw up a few performances without getting totally knocked out. It probably wouldn't replace anything, but it would be fun to try out. Ideas coments? -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 7 19:41:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04751 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:41:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd106.hotmail.com [207.82.252.170]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04036 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:38:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 91142 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 1999 18:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990507183731.91141.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.232.145.4 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 May 1999 11:37:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.232.145.4] From: "keith myers" To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Vert Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:37:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org that idea sounds really good. it gives people a chance to shred or just take it easy, and still score mad points. later keith _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 11 17:34:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16847 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:34:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10068 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:30:26 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA09112 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:30:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx46-12.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.140) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009068; Tue May 11 10:29:55 1999 Message-ID: <373852D6.D15@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:55:02 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hola. Since the list has been somewhat dead, I thought I would throw out a few messages to liven things up. How about this: Is a paradox reverse whirl a valid move? Has anyone ever hit this cleanly, or does it always end up looking more like an infinity? How about a symp reverse whirl? I say that it is not only possible, but a well deserved 4 adds. Any comments? And, assuming that both of these are moves, how about a pdx syp rev whirl? Blurry? Pixie? Fairy? Spinning? Gyro? Stepping? Give me ideas of what all is possible with the reverse whirl motion. I'll see everyone at worlds. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 11 17:35:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16863 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:35:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt NoLastName Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16777 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 06:33:46 -0700 Received: from Problems1@aol.com (328) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zJULa16142 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 09:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e23fa7c.24659718@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:33:12 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] More Phat Trick Contests? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I think it's someone's duty to acknowledge footbag as most likely the first sport ever to have an official event with a name involving the word "phat" ;) matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 11 17:35:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16872 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:35:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fourner Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19784; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:36:00 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com (372) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id lNTRa07564; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5d901c76.2465cf55@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:33:09 EDT Subject: Re: Re: [freestyle] Laver mods:the second saga. To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, dick889@hotmail.com CC: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 5/6/99 7:33:28 PM, kaplanb@mscd.edu wrote: <> Now thats insane, thats like racing BMX bikes without brakes...pretty cool whoever can shred their shoes mutilated like this. Word. keep pushing envelopes ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 11 17:35:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16881 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:35:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09907 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:25:07 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA08244 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:24:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx46-12.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.140) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008159; Tue May 11 10:23:39 1999 Message-ID: <3738515E.6380@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:48:46 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Zoid - Noid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all. I have a question that has been plaguing the Dallas Club for a while. I heard a mention a while back about a Zoid set. James Roberts - the local Sempei - owns this set, but I'm not sure about the name. I heard that it was named after the little guy on the old Dominoe's Pizza commercials. The only problem is that that guy was a Noid... not a Zoid. So, is this a Noid or a Zoid? start with the bag on your right toe while the right foot is on the ground. Raise your left leg over the bag. Hop off of your right leg sending the bag out in front of your left leg. Then, do mirage, osis, butterfly, whirl or torque on either side. If you want to see one of these (actually 3 of these in a run), go to our web site http://www.dallasfootbag.org and check out the videos. We'll be posting new videos from the 1999 Southern Regionals soon. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 11 18:12:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17008 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:12:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12048 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:05:49 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA02287 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx46-12.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.140) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002243; Tue May 11 12:05:23 1999 Message-ID: <37386936.6AEE@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:30:30 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver mods:the second saga. References: <5d901c76.2465cf55@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It has been said that: > < first couple of string holes. This severely lessens the "cup" but it has > benefits in pixie and fairie sets and not having it stick annoyingly on > the edge of the cup or getting it stuck in between the lip and your toe.>> > > Now thats insane, thats like racing BMX bikes without brakes...pretty cool > whoever can shred their shoes mutilated like this. Word. > keep pushing envelopes > Once you get to a certain point in footbag, the 'toe box' of Lavers isn't needed as much. Look at Red using whatever kind of shoes those are. Or, look at all of the new badass freestylers using Tevas (Eli, Dave, Frank, etc). And then there is Aaron dG with his weird Laver lacing method that eliminates a toe box. I think that it is important to note that most - if not all - of these footbaggers started out with the modified Lavers. Having the toe box is a crutch that is very important for learning toe stalls. Once toe stalls are easy for you, you can remove the toe box and start in with crazy pixies and fairies. Don't be afraid of the modified Lavers... they are a good thing. Now, for my reccommended modifications. I still like a toe box... but, I also like having fairy and pixie sets that aren't stuck on the cup. So, I cut off some of the box. I didn't remove any eyes or anything. Instead, I just cut off some of the leather around the eyes. So, I have a toe box that only stands up half as high (still just as long) as a normal one. I hardly ever have problems with a pixie of fairy sticking to this shorter box. If you are thinking about cutting off some eye holes to lessen the box, I would reccommend that you do it bit by bit. Start off by just trimming the leather. Then, if you want / need to cut off more, you can. You can always cut off more, but to add to the toe box, you need to buy new shoes. Just my thoughts. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 11 19:59:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17400 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:59:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fastcart.com ([209.32.190.67]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15057 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:58:41 -0700 Received: from qbert [209.32.190.11] by fastcart.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AD47408010E; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:56:07 CDT X-Sender: dan@po.fastcart.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:03:20 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Dan Chick Subject: Re: [freestyle] Zoid - Noid In-Reply-To: <3738515E.6380@utdallas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <199905111356.SM00227@qbert> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id TAA17375 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What videos are these in? I don't see them listed in the descriptions. I'm downloading some of them but I have a T1 here... :) For those of us with slower connections which clips should we check out to see 'em? Dan Chick Twin Cities Footbag www.footbag.net At 10:48 AM 5/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all.ÝÝ I have a question that has been plaguing the Dallas Club >for a while.Ý I heard a mention a while back about a Zoid set.Ý James >Roberts - the local Sempei - owns this set, but I'm not sure about the >name.Ý I heard that it was named after the little guy on the old >Dominoe's Pizza commercials.Ý The only problem is that that guy was a >Noid... not a Zoid.Ý So, is this a Noid or a Zoid? > >start with the bag on your right toe while the right foot is on the >ground.Ý Raise your left leg over the bag.Ý Hop off of your right leg >sending the bag out in front of your left leg.Ý Then, do mirage, osis, >butterfly, whirl or torque on either side. > >If you want to see one of these (actually 3 of these in a run), go to >our web site http://www.dallasfootbag.org and check out the videos. >We'll be posting new videos from the 1999 Southern Regionals soon.Ý > >-Derric >Dallas Footbag Club > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 03:15:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19001 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:15:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22906 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:23:00 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FBL00J01IIANA@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:22:58 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls In-reply-to: <373852D6.D15@utdallas.edu> To: Derric Scalf Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Reply-to: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 11 May 1999, Derric Scalf wrote: > How about a symp reverse whirl? I say that it is not only possible, but > a well deserved 4 adds. Any comments? Certainly deserving of 4 adds if symp. butterfly is. BRAD From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 03:15:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19009 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:15:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20103 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:43:05 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA16701; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:43:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990511184449.00927840@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:45:46 -0700 To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org From: Matt Avery Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls In-Reply-To: <373852D6.D15@utdallas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys-- Rev. Whirl? Uhh...wouldnt that just make it a butterfly? Hence, butterfly and symposium butterfly? Matt At 10:55 AM 5/11/99 -0500, Derric Scalf wrote: >Hola. > >Since the list has been somewhat dead, I thought I would throw out a few >messages to liven things up. How about this: > >Is a paradox reverse whirl a valid move? Has anyone ever hit this >cleanly, or does it always end up looking more like an infinity? > >How about a symp reverse whirl? I say that it is not only possible, but >a well deserved 4 adds. Any comments? > >And, assuming that both of these are moves, how about a pdx syp rev >whirl? Blurry? Pixie? Fairy? Spinning? Gyro? Stepping? > >Give me ideas of what all is possible with the reverse whirl motion. >I'll see everyone at worlds. > >-Derric >DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 03:15:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19013 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:15:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20925 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:35:10 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue May 11 16:34:32 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:34:32 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Is a paradox reverse whirl a valid move? Has anyone ever hit this >cleanly, or does it always end up looking more like an infinity? Derric, I have seen your reverse whirl--that is where this simple answer becomes difficult. Normally, I would say, "Hell NO!! It is just a funky butterfly" But, I do sympathize with the fact that the move you bust is a bit more difficult than a normal butterfly. Though, after just reading over what I wrote, I would say that the paradox is negated. Why?? Well, A butterfly, though easier I agree, still utilizes the "same dex>opp delay" as does the barfly. The barfly is more difficult than the butterfly but this by no means justifies adding a paradox(or so I have been told). So to make a long story a bit longer... No, I do not think it should receive the paradox add, but it is a dank move. Late, Ian D. MUFF "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 03:15:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19017 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:15:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18294 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:14:07 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com (577) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id fDBJa10991; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:53:51 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver mods:the second saga. To: scalf@utdallas.edu CC: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 5/11/99 1:15:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scalf@utdallas.edu writes: << I also like having fairy and pixie sets that aren't stuck on the cup. So, I cut off some of the box. I didn't remove any eyes or anything. >> sup all, in my opinion killing the walls on your lavers don't do anything beyound looks. I've taken lil by lil off the walls to the point of killling a eyehole on in and out steps From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 03:15:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19021 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:15:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23181 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:30:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FBL00K01IUU1A@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:30:30 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] Crash space To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I'm still looking for someones nice hard floor with an empty spot on it for myself and a friend during Western Regionals at the end of May. If you have some space available we'd really appreciate it. Thanks, BRAD From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 08:02:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19894 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:02:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27067 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:11:25 -0700 Received: from u8m6j4 (user-2ini84s.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.32.156]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24180 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01be9c2d$ec0ba4c0$9c2079a5@u8m6j4> Reply-To: "Jane Jones" From: "Jane Jones" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:14:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah, I was trying to get this clarified last fall sometime...you could probably check the archives. It seemed like the only answers were personal opinions. I think it's a butterfly, but most of the people I kick with consider it a reverse whirl and an entirely different move. The distinguishing factor, as far as I can tell, is that the dexterity comes from a hip rotation for a butterfly and from a knee rotation for a reverse whirl. --Jane From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 08:02:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19904 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:02:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27418 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:34:08 -0700 Received: from u8m6j4 (user-2ini84s.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.32.156]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA29046 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701be9c31$18cd7080$9c2079a5@u8m6j4> Reply-To: "Jane Jones" From: "Jane Jones" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:37:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Okay, I'm half way following here... I thought the question referred more to whether the "reverse whirl" part of the trick was valid because it is actually a butterfly, and not anything to do with the paradox component. so, ultimately, the question is if this "paradox reverse whirl" move is exactly that, or whether it would be considered an infiniti which according to Job's notation is identical. It seems to me that barfly doesn't get the paradox add because it isn't really...it's just a clipper set paradon (still coming from the same side...like Ian was saying). If it were paradox, it be more like a spinning barfly...now wouldn't that be classified as a scorpian's tail ( i think that's what I 've heard it called anyway). I'm not going to delve into the whole paradox/spin thing, but I think it's only possible to do a butterfly from spinning or gyro and not paradox. So...back to the drawing board...if you think "reverse whirl" exists as a unique move, then sure, "paradox reverse whirl" is a valid move. However, if you're like me and think its still technically a butterfly, you're really just pulling an infiniti. I guess I'd have to see it... I like to think of it as no man pulls the same move alike...the "freestyle" part of footbag that makes it so fun to watch is how different each person's style is....freestyle..... see ya, Jane From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 08:36:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19974 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:36:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f296.hotmail.com [207.82.251.187]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA30240 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:31:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 87497 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 1999 07:30:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990512073036.87496.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:30:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: iguana04@SPRYNET.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:30:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Jane says: > >It seems to me that barfly doesn't get the paradox add because it isn't >really...it's just a clipper set paradon (still coming from the same >side...like Ian was saying). If it were paradox, it be more like a >spinning >barfly...now wouldn't that be classified as a scorpian's tail ( i think >that's what I 've heard it called anyway). Two things: First off, a scorpion's tail is a spinning down double down. I haven't seen a gyro barfly yet, but i like the name "garfield" for it. Also, if a barfly doesn't get a paradox add, then why does a nuclear set get one? If you are going to argue that a nuclear set gets a pdx add because the leg does a full rotation, then think about a barfly where the first dex is a full circling of the bag. Or how about pdx legbeater? If the pdx is in the set part of the move, then whatever is done after the set shouldn't change the paradox nature of the move. Using this logic, then what if one were to perform a nuclear set followed by a butterfly that stalls on the non-setting foot? Isn't this just a barfly with a plant? Yet if the pdx component is in the nuclear set, then this should get the same breakdown as pdx legbeater. Any thoughts on this anybody? Ken CF Somolinos nyfd "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want." -Calvin and Hobbes _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 16:43:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01068 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:43:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00828 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:50:34 -0700 Received: from acsdallas.com (a203-49.ppp.dlls.tx.onramp.net [206.50.202.241]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA27149 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from JAMES [144.19.62.4] by acs_dc [144.19.62.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:01:19 -0500 Received: by JAMES with Microsoft Mail id <01BE9C46.2E29FCE0@JAMES>; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:08:04 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE9C46.2E29FCE0@JAMES> From: James Roberts To: "scalf@utdallas.edu" , "freestyle@footbag.org" , "'Matt Avery'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:08:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Avery wrote: >Rev. Whirl? Uhh...wouldnt that just make it a butterfly? Hence, butterfly and symposium butterfly? Not the way D does it. It IS a reverse whirl. Sincerely, JR DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 16:43:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01069 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:43:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02661 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:01:47 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed May 12 08:01:04 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:01:04 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good words by list members... >Ken says... >a scorpion's tail is a spinning down double down. Actually, I think Jane had the right idea, just not quite so technical. Actually, I don't think the down double down should be used a tag on the end of spinning for this move. I think it should be spinning double down, as the other would imply that you spun(with bag delayed on foot??), then by some act of god still busted a down double down. Hehe, who cares?? We all know what a scorpion's tail is(or at least what it looks like and/or how it is done). >I haven't seen a gyro barfly yet, but i like the name >"garfield" for it. Me neither...though it seems pretty phat. Garfield?? I am not slamming it--I actually kind of like it. Just wondered how you came about this name. >Also, if a barfly doesn't get a paradox add, then why >does a nuclear set get one? If you are going to >argue that a nuclear set gets a pdx add because >the leg does a full rotation, Well, I just wrote a bit of a comment about this, but I had to erase it because I was using an arguement that is not fully accepted yet--hard to argue theory with another theory. Any philoshophers on the list? Basically, paradox(at least from what I gather) is supoosed to be defined by your body's quick pivot to an direction opposite of the direction your leg was initially travelling--as some have said, an "S" movement(though, I would actually say it is a 'g' movement for the out-in dex--my opinion). Anywho, the amount of dexterity you bust (be it 1, 1.5, or a full 2) doesn't make a difference. Just the movement. Hhmm... Please, don't think I am an opponent of this. I asked the question a thousand times myself and that is one of justifications I received. I totally agree that there is a kink in the system here. Maybe it could be alleviated by saying all "clip>same dex" followed by plants get the paradox. I don't know, my brain is about to run out my ears...boss is yelling and I don't want to think about this anymore. Later, Ian Dubman MUFF From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 21:41:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02485 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:41:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07337 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:54:53 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed May 12 10:54:07 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:54:07 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: RE: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Matt Avery wrote: > >>Rev. Whirl? Uhh...wouldnt that just make it a butterfly? Hence, butterfly >and symposium butterfly? JR of DFC down in TX sayz... >Not the way D does it. It IS a reverse whirl. Ian Says... Yup. I agree with JR on this one--it is definitely a rev. whirl. His butterfly and reverse whirl are DISTINCTLY different. That is why I said earlier that any debate on this would be difficult--especially if you haven't seen a rev whirl. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 12 21:41:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02482 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:41:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f249.hotmail.com [209.185.130.214]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07735 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:12:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 59950 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 1999 18:11:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990512181139.59949.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.173.239.191 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:11:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.173.239.191] From: "Frank Gutowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hello out there shredders Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:11:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Wassup all you footbag freaks, I am in Amsterdam right now - and looking to shred across europe this summer. Anyone intersested? let me know. I am in Holland for a little over a month. Then I go to the European Championships - from there I have no plans - give me a direction through footbag. I hope all is well to everyone I know out there. Frank _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 00:17:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03192 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:17:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14807 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:30:54 -0700 Received: from rtgilber (usr101.clearsail.net [207.252.227.101]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12788 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:30:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000501be9cc7$763a26a0$02000003@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Drifter Help Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:33:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, how's it going? Hope you all are doing great. Today I hit my first 4 add move! Yah!! I did a pixie butterfly! But anyway, I have some questions about doing a drifter. First of all on the list of all the moves it tells you to quickly plant the setting leg. Say I am doing a drifter starting from a left clipper, am I supposed to quickly plant my left leg after setting, THEN start the mirage dex with my right leg, and then swing my right leg into clipper position and catch the bag? I noticed on the video demo for the move Carol has her right leg already in the air starting to do the dex before she plants her left (setting) leg. OR Is this the way I should try and do it? I have been trying to plant the setting leg before starting the mirade dex but my support leg doesn't get there in time to catch the bag. all input is greatly appreciated Thanks, James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 01:54:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03471 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:54:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f45.hotmail.com [207.82.250.56]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16907 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:14:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 63759 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1999 00:14:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513001407.63758.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:14:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: dogbert@clearsail.net, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Drifter Help Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:14:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hiya. My tips on drifter: 1. Set low. It can be fun to set high and do them, but the most efficient way is to do em low. Set maybe whirl height. 2. Setting foot plants immediately, as the other foot leaves the floor. Imagine you are kicking on a floor with an elctric current, and you can only have one foot on the floor at a time, or else you will be electrocuted. This mentality is also helpful for torques and whirls. 3. After your leg clears the dex, do a little hop off the other leg towards the side you set from. Watch any vid of someone doing a drifter, and you see the all important hop. This helps you get your clipper to the correct side of your body in time. Congrats on the pixie butterfly. As for drifter, don't get too frustrated with it. Along with atom smasher, it is one of the hardest three add tricks out there. Good luck and keep shredding. Ken "ceiling fan" Somolinos nyfd _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 01:54:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03475 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:54:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16819; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:09:09 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com (2615) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id fUTGa16141; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <974d1b58.246b7041@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:01:05 EDT Subject: Re: Re: [freestyle] Laver mods:the second saga. To: scalf@utdallas.edu, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 5/11/99 9:15:11 AM, scalf@utdallas.edu wrote: <> Red is currently kicking in Tevas too... he rocked SoCals last month in them too... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 02:06:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03507 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:06:08 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Pritt Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17836 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:59:46 -0700 Received: from RAMGarden@aol.com (399) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zLCCa04196 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6fb484f9.246b7dbf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:58:39 EDT Subject: [freestyle] footbag To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org how do I do a leg over? I know its very easy and basic, but help me out! Josh Pritt Oxford AL From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 03:04:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03773 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 03:04:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18208 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:29:34 -0700 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id VAA54710; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:29:22 -0400 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199905130129.VAA54710@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag To: RAMGarden@aol.com (Josh Pritt) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <6fb484f9.246b7dbf@aol.com> from "Josh Pritt" at May 12, 99 08:58:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org According to Josh Pritt: > > how do I do a leg over? I know its very easy and basic, but help me out! > > Josh Pritt > Oxford AL Hello Josh (wow, another JP in footbag... JPs ROCK!): Before grooving on legover, I would have alternating toe stalls down. Make sure you do a hop in between them. I like to drive up and hop as the bag is leaving my toe, that way gravity is acting on you the same as it is acting on the footbag, it makes the stall much easier. Once you have consecutive alternating toe stalls with this hop down, it is just a point of setting the bag at a comfortable height (try to raise your knee to a comfortable height and attempt to set the bag just below this height), and driving your leg around the bag. Try to dex the bag with your leg instead of your foot, you do not have to go as high and you save time. I am probably not being clear on the set part, but basically what I am trying to say is as you raise your toe to set the bag, hop off of your other foot and start the dexterity (motion of going around the bag). Make sure the set is straight up and you keep your weight forward (over the bag). "There is a tendancy to lean back on these moves... DON'T!" I hope this helps you JP. Sunil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 07:40:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04657 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:40:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22700 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:19:40 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA02802 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:19:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx50-40.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.232) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002778; Thu May 13 01:19:05 1999 Message-ID: <373A74D6.2B97@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:44:38 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag References: <199905130129.VAA54710@dept.english.upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil Jani wrote: > "There is a tendancy to lean back on these moves... DON'T!" > > I hope this helps you JP. > This advice comes straight from the man who made the moves. If you've never been told to STAY OVER THE BAG, then you've never seen "Tricks of the Trade" featuring Kenny Shults. If you want to learn to freestyle, go to the WFA's site (http://www.worldfootbag.com) and order the only instructional footbag video on the market. It is old and cheesy in parts, but it is VITAL for freestylers of all levels. Get the shoes, get a good facile bag, get some shorts, get the video and THEN get serious. Sunil, I'm waiting to see that toe blizzard. You need to watch out for Ian Dubman though... he's got the most wicked toe miraging set - he hit toe blur easily the first time he tried it. I can't wait for worlds. -D DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 07:40:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04668 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:40:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22658 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:10:04 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA02148 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:09:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx50-40.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.232) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002123; Thu May 13 01:09:20 1999 Message-ID: <373A728C.43AC@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:34:52 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >Matt Avery wrote: > > > >>Rev. Whirl? Uhh...wouldnt that just make it a butterfly? Hence, butterfly > >and symposium butterfly? > > Ian Says... > I agree with JR on this one--it is definitely a rev. whirl. His > butterfly and reverse whirl are DISTINCTLY different. That is why I > said earlier that any debate on this would be difficult--especially if > you haven't seen a rev whirl. and D says... woohoo! the list is alive again! Ok. In my mind, the distinction between reverse whirl and a plain ol' same side butterfly is the knee location. Try doing a same side butterfly with your knees together (at least very close together). There you go. That is a reverse whirl. As Jane put it, butterfly is all done with the hips while whirls - and reverse whirls - are done with the knee. Using the same knee positioning, you can do a symp rev whirl. The reason I was asking about the pdx version is that I have never been able to come close to doing that move without using the hips (which makes it an ugly infinity). I would like nothing more than to be able to accentuate the pdx part of that move. If I could do that, I could hit it blurry and pdx symp. Who knows, maybe blurry symp... But, I'm not even sure if the move is possible. See y'all at worlds. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 16:01:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05565 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:01:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f269.hotmail.com [207.82.251.160]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29275 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:00:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 29683 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1999 14:59:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513145957.29682.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.2 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:59:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.2] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] dead list and reverse whirls Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:59:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org One of my bigest questions for judging freestyle has always been the difference between personal style and uniqueness. For some moves like flux the difference between the hippy style and leggy look very different but are however very similar. For reverse whirl, at least for me the differance is very concrete. If your knee crosses over the bag, it's a butterfly, if not then it's a reverse whirl. This is basically the differance between whirl and mirajing (same sided) cliper (does anyone think this is the same move). I would also think than paradox reverse whirl should exist(I can't do it). Just my humble, and frequently argument causing opinion. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 13 16:02:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05576 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:02:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05573 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:02:33 GMT Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29444 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:04:44 -0700 Received: from [216.111.252.191] (dhcp216-111-252-191.atext.com [216.111.252.191]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06630 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:06:59 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Footbag on Star Trek Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Last night on the latest Voyager episode involving time travel, Janeway actually talked about the "Pogo Paradox". :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 14 06:06:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08542 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:06:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f72.hotmail.com [207.82.250.158]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05934 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:02:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 44852 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1999 22:01:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513220131.44851.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:01:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: enlightener@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat String Contest Rules Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:01:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. I just received Scott Davidson's rules for the Phat Trick constest for some reason, and even though the event for which they were proposed is already concluded, I'd like to make a couple of criticisms on the scoring system. First off, I agree with Dan Kramer, that the contest should be more subjective, instead of just adding up add-values. ripwalk-ripwalk-blur is not nearly as hard as vortex-pdx atom smasher-s+m smasher. Also, the emphasis on adds discourages creativity in the moves. Why risk ending or linking moves with a dragon just because it looks cooler, when you can get the same adds and more control by using a clipper? I also fail to see why the same move on the same side cannot be included twice in a string. If the move is cool enough and difficult enough, then the judges should welcome it. Scorpion tail to inspinning torque to scorpion tail is a phat string by any standard. What makes a string phat is purely subjective, to quantify it and impose arbitrary rules on it kills defeats the purpose of the contest altogether. Ken "cf" Somolinos nyfd _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 14 06:06:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08546 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:06:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd98.hotmail.com [207.82.252.162]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01426 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:35:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 73702 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1999 18:34:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513183447.73701.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.232.145.4 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:34:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.232.145.4] From: "keith no-name-given-and-if-he-doesn't-i'll-stop-allowing-him-to-post" To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu, RAMGarden@aol.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:34:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org FOR A LEG OVER, YOU STALL THE BAG THE SECOND TIME, (AFTER THE DEX), ON THE SETTING FOOT? IS THERE A DOUBLE LEG OVER? THANX KEITH From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 14 06:36:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08683 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:36:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f177.hotmail.com [209.185.131.240]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13817 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:13:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 26832 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 1999 05:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990514051325.26831.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.11.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:13:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.11.129] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag on Star Trek Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:13:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Its funny that you mentioned footbag and star trek. Last summer me and some friends were kicking sundays at Oak Street Beach in Chicago and we overheard a conversation between a couple sunning themselves _ it went like this. "Look at that, those people are playing "hackeysack". Oh, I thought that died out in the 80's. Yeah ill bet they are trekkies too". I never got the correlation between kicking and footbag until a couple months ago when I heard star trek talking about a paradox flux it sonds like Kenny Schults must be a trekkie. Later, Jon Nagela >From: Steve Goldberg >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Footbag on Star Trek >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:06:59 -0700 > >Last night on the latest Voyager episode involving time travel, >Janeway actually talked about the "Pogo Paradox". :-) > > Steve _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 14 06:37:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08693 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:37:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13998 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:28:05 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA13241 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:27:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx42-43.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.107) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013130; Fri May 14 00:27:13 1999 Message-ID: <373BBA17.4909@utdallas.edu> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:52:23 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag References: <19990513183447.73701.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org keith no-name-given-and-if-he-doesn't-i'll-stop-allowing-him-to-post wrote: > > FOR A LEG OVER, YOU STALL THE BAG THE SECOND TIME, (AFTER THE DEX), ON THE > SETTING FOOT? IS THERE A DOUBLE LEG OVER? THANX > KEITH Aaaaaa!!! Stop screaming. To answer your question, yes. There is a double legover. Now, about your description of a legover - I think you are missing it. Legover is when you set from a toe, circle the bag with your other leg, and then stall the bag on the leg that just did the dex. So, if you set from a right toe stall, your left leg goes around the bag (either direction), and then you stall the bag on your left toe. Consecutive legovers is a great drill because it works both sides. An around the world (ATW) is when you set, circle, and catch all with the same foot. About the double legover... you might think that a double legover is the same as a legover except you circle the bag twice. This is NOT the case. A double legover is a miraging legover. In other words, set from a right toe, circle the bag from in to out with your left leg, circle the bag from out to in with your right leg, then catch on your right toe. Double legovers can also be set from a clipper. It is the same thing - set, the opposite leg does the first IN dex, your setting leg does the second OUT dex, then you catch it on your original setting foot. Using Job's notation - which is WONDERFUL (everyone should take 5 minutes to learn it) - a double legover is set > op IN [dex] > op OUT [dex] > same toe [del] I'm not sure what you call a set > op IN [dex] > same IN [dex] > same toe [del] or a set > op OUT [dex] > same OUT [dex] > same toe [del] One is a double pickup and one is a double switchover - I think. I'm just not sure which name goes with which move... anyone? -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat May 15 21:28:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13429 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:28:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06394 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 22:53:16 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA27796 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx7-17.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.145) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027778; Sat May 15 00:52:33 1999 Message-ID: <373D1188.40F3@utdallas.edu> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:17:44 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag References: <19990514183814.51481.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org keith jr wrote: > anyway, how do you read the shorthand. i could really use the > help. thanx > To read Job's notation - the best notation currently available - you should go to http://footbag.org/movelist/5-minute-notation.html Everything that you need to know about footbag is on http://footbag.org It might take a little while to find it, but it is there. About the notation... set > op in > op in > op toe is beautiful. You can imagine this move set from either toe, either clipper, either outside, inside, heel, dragon, whatever. It is a blur no matter how you look at it. And that notation is perfectly descriptive of the technical aspect of the move. And, it is shorter than saying set from right foot clipper, circle the bag from in to out with your left leg, circle the bag from in to out with your right leg, stall on your left toe. This longhand version doesnt' help when it comes to doing blur on the other side, or from any other set. Job's notation does. EVERYONE should take 5 minutes to learn the notation. It helps save time and it eliminates confusion about moves. Hope this helps. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat May 15 21:28:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13433 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:28:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.gmx.net (qmailr@mail2.gmx.net [194.221.183.62]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA10085 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 05:19:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 17466 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 1999 12:19:08 -0000 Received: from dip-053.hbg.dinx.de (HELO internet) (195.2.169.53) by mail2.gmx.net with SMTP; 15 May 1999 12:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01be9ecd$280edea0$35a902c3@internet> From: "Andreas Man-With-No-Last-Name-Man-I-Hate-This" To: Subject: [freestyle] Ripwalk Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:02:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE9EDB.9E1427A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE9EDB.9E1427A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, anyone got some tips on a ripwalk? ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE9EDB.9E1427A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,
 
anyone got some tips on a = ripwalk?
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE9EDB.9E1427A0-- From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat May 15 21:28:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13423 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:28:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f78.hotmail.com [209.185.131.141]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25548 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:21:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 5460 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 1999 18:20:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990514182059.5459.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.11.243 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:20:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.11.243] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat String Contest Rules Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:20:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up kickers, I hope you are all getting out there and kicking. I agree that the Phat trick contestshould be more subjective. I was in Scott's add based phat trick contest and it caused problems when me and Sebastian from Montreal kept having to go extra rounds because we were hitting our 4 add moves. It seemed like it was going to never end so eventually we settled it by having us combo the only move which we had both hit (pixie butterfly) and see who got the best combo. Keep in mind that this was in the single Phat trick event. Even though there may be some disputes I totally agree that it should not be add based, adds supposedly dont denote difficulty anyway. Later, Jon Nagela >From: "KeN Somolinos" >To: enlightener@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Phat String Contest Rules >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:01:28 PDT > >Hey all. >I just received Scott Davidson's rules for the Phat Trick constest for some >reason, and even though the event for which they were proposed is already >concluded, I'd like to make a couple of criticisms on the scoring system. >First off, I agree with Dan Kramer, that the contest should be more >subjective, instead of just adding up add-values. ripwalk-ripwalk-blur is >not nearly as hard as vortex-pdx atom smasher-s+m smasher. Also, the >emphasis on adds discourages creativity in the moves. Why risk ending or >linking moves with a dragon just because it looks cooler, when you can get >the same adds and more control by using a clipper? I also fail to see why >the same move on the same side cannot be included twice in a string. If >the >move is cool enough and difficult enough, then the judges should welcome >it. > Scorpion tail to inspinning torque to scorpion tail is a phat string by >any standard. What makes a string phat is purely subjective, to quantify it >and impose arbitrary rules on it kills defeats the purpose of the contest >altogether. >Ken "cf" Somolinos >nyfd > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat May 15 21:28:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13418 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:28:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29837 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:54:24 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com (14425) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id fRIIa24274; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <939c5a3e.246de6a9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:50:49 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org set > op IN [dex] > same IN [dex] > same toe [del] and set > op OUT [dex] > same OUT [dex] > same toe [del] are both double switchovers clip > op IN [dex] > same IN [dex] > same toe [del] is a double pickup Demon Damon Mathews From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat May 15 21:30:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13465 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:30:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snyoneab.oneonta.edu (SYSTEM@snyoneab.oneonta.edu [137.141.15.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11688 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:40:28 -0700 Received: from snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu by snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #32722) id <01JB8424OOJ48Y4ZUZ@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:40:48 EDT Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Busse Subject: [freestyle] anyone kicking near albany,ny today? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Trey anastasio from phish is going to be playing at the palace theater today. if anyone is interested in coming out, i'm sure that someone will be kicking around somewhere. so please come down and have a good time before the show! jim busse From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon May 17 16:53:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03546 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:53:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA13858 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:27:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 25113 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 1999 13:27:21 -0000 Received: from dip-034.hbg.dinx.de (HELO internet) (195.2.169.34) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 17 May 1999 13:27:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01bea068$ff84f8a0$22a902c3@internet> From: "Andreas Schneidt" To: "Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Break In Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:27:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA079.C21B2B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA079.C21B2B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm looking for funny pics of break in (like people parking their car on = the bag or so...) Perhaps anyone got such stuff on his computer...please send it to me ...would be great. thanx Andreas Schneidt ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA079.C21B2B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
I'm looking for funny pics of break = in (like=20 people parking their car on the bag or so...)
Perhaps anyone got such stuff on his = computer...please send it to me
...would be great.
 
thanx
 
 
Andreas = Schneidt
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA079.C21B2B40-- From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon May 17 16:53:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03537 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:53:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f188.hotmail.com [209.185.130.98]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06397 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:50:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 49525 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 1999 03:51:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990517035111.49524.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.12.131 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:51:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.12.131] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Warming up for worlds in Chicago Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:51:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up kickers! I am just writing to let you know we are shredding hard in preparation for worlds this year. Wewere kicking today at the Windy City Hempfest and Sean Wingert was pulling really strong toe blurs and some long strings of technically perfect moves- he also has huge pixie sets. I sealed my first ever 5 add move, the paradox flux(Nuclear osis) YEAH!! I also learned Royale today(paradox reverse drifter)- hit it 3 times, and almost hit another paradox atom smasher! I landed one friday. I think one reason that I might suddenly be hitting all these new moves is these phat new Richard Abshire bags that everone is using here, I brought a fattie red and yellow one out today and somehow Matt Cherney lost it. It may have fallen out of one of the holes in his spandex shorts when he ran up on stage and danced with the band for 10 minutes until they kicked him off. Later, Jon Nagela _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon May 17 16:53:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03542 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:53:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13814 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:24:29 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com (14428) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id fJPQa03058; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89e108cc.247171ef@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:21:51 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org set > op in > op in > op toe is beautiful. You can imagine this move set from either toe, either clipper, either outside, inside, heel, dragon, whatever. It is a blur no matter how you look at it. If it is set from the toe is the move still paradox? Demon Damon Mathews From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon May 17 17:53:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03890 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:53:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17468 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:29:18 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA05156 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:29:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx45-48.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.112) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005062; Mon May 17 11:28:20 1999 Message-ID: <3740498B.3EEA@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:53:31 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag References: <89e108cc.247171ef@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Damonmath@aol.com wrote: > > set > op in > op in > op toe > > is beautiful. You can imagine this move set from either toe, either > clipper, either outside, inside, heel, dragon, whatever. It is a blur > no matter how you look at it. > > If it is set from the toe is the move still paradox? > Nope. By the current definition of paradox, you have to set a move from x-body. Now, if you set with a x-bdy toe, x-bdy heel, x-bdy sole, etc... that would be pdx. If you are asking if toe set moves - or outside set moves - feel pdx (which I think you are), the answer is yes. To me, a toe blur feels MUCH more pdx than a clipper set blur. But, you have to draw the line somewhere. Legbeater and smear are NOT pdx by any stretch of the imagination. Atom smasher - maybe. If anyone doubts what I am saying here, try a pdx torque, a regular torque and a toe set torque. Which one of these three feels different? The regular torque doesn't require and hellish back breaking to hit while pdx and toe set feel almost exactly the same. Try a pixie torque and tell me if that doesn't feel pdx... Since pdx is obviously so hard to define, why do we name a set after pdx moves? Why does 'blurry' imply pdx? This only makes it hard to decide what blurry means because no one knows what pdx means. I say that blurry should be used to mean 'steeping opposite side' not 'stepping pdx'. Paradox has its place. But, that place is in add counting - not naming moves. Comments? -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon May 17 20:03:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04434 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:03:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19109 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:44:12 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA19826 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:43:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx7-50.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.178) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019702; Mon May 17 12:43:18 1999 Message-ID: <37405B1F.1885@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:08:31 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ripwalk References: <002a01be9ecd$280edea0$35a902c3@internet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andreas Man-With-No-Last-Name-Man-I-Hate-This wrote: > > Hi guys, > > anyone got some tips on a ripwalk? Yep. Scott Davidson does in the new issue of Kicker's Quarterly. I'm not sure of their web page, but if you search for Schwa Footbag or Kicker's Quarterly, I'm sure you'll find it. Until then, you can just try to get the set up between your knees. It is very important to remember the fundamental rule of footbag - the bag goes straight up and down. So, try to get that first dexterity as the bag is going straight up. If you can get both feet on the ground while the bag is directly in front of you (waist level), finishing the move is only a butterfly. Practice your infinities. Practice stepping butterflies. After that, get the set up and finish with that infinity that you have been practicing. Hope this helps. -D DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon May 17 20:03:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04430 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:03:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19046 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:40:05 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA18843 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:39:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx7-50.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.178) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018631; Mon May 17 12:38:13 1999 Message-ID: <374059EE.17EF@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:03:26 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In References: <000f01bea068$ff84f8a0$22a902c3@internet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andreas Schneidt wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm looking for funny pics of break in (like people parking their car > on the bag or so...) > Perhaps anyone got such stuff on his computer...please send it to me > ...would be great. > It is important to note that if you are breaking in a bag by running over it with a car, that you are not using a good footbag. All newcomers to the sport use those big knit rasta hemp sacks. Those are ok for playing hacky sack (as opposed to footbag freestyle), but if you want to do any of the tricks that people are talking about on this list, you do NEED a decent footbag. If a car were to touch a real bag, it would be sad, not funny. I have known many players that watch footbaggers with awe, but they can't seem to learn any of the moves. This is because they lack the proper equipment. To improve at footbag, you NEED a good facile bag which you can purchase at tournaments (this is the best way because you can see it before you buy it) or over the internet http://www.worldfootbag.com Don't get frustrated because you are tring to stall a knit bag. Get a real bag and see how much your game improves. About the pictures, no. I don't have any funny ones yet. If we ever get around to breaking in a friend's digital camera, we should have quite a few photos up on the Dallas Footbag Club website soon. I'll let you know when this happens. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon May 17 21:30:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19090 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:30:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20809 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:11:18 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon May 17 12:11:06 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:11:06 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -- On Mon, 17 May 1999 09:21:51 Damon Mathews wrote: >set > op in > op in > op toe > >is beautiful. You can imagine this move set from either toe, either clipper, either outside, inside, heel, dragon, whatever. It is a blur no matter how you look at it. > >If it is set from the toe is the move still paradox? No, it is not. And you lose an add as a result. I personally feel that it is more difficult than its four-add clipper-set counterpart--my opinion. But, as with atomsmasher and a couple others, noone is going to rip on you for going the toe route--in fact they may like it better, as it is a bit more unique. Ian D. MUFF "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 06:10:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21522 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:10:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25405 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:21:28 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon May 17 15:20:46 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:20:46 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ripwalk X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -tips on a ripwalk? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Yep. Scott Davidson does in the new issue of Kicker's Quarterly. I'm >not sure of their web page, but if you search for Schwa Footbag or Kicker's Quarterly... Since Derric beat me to the punch on the my last post... Look here...good site. Ugh. Sound like Tonto. Late, Ian From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 06:11:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21533 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:11:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f89.hotmail.com [207.82.250.195]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23133 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:00:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 97732 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 1999 21:00:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990517210026.97731.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.188.143.177 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:00:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.188.143.177] From: "Chris Weber" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] shoes? Mods>blah.... Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:00:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I need information on shoes. I am currently kicking in just some Airwalk ("19oz."--stlye name). I think that these shoes rock they are perfectly flat in all areas, and since I am fairly new to the sport I fail to see the purpose in modifying the shoes, because once you do that you might as well just put little cups on your shoes. I have become aware of the importance of equiptment, i have a juice and am loving it to death with every gentle touch. I need to know if anyone else has these shoes or any comperable and i want to know if the Lavers are just a whole step ahead or if there is any resemblance. I want to get every advantage possible.... Also any tips on butterflys: and oh yeah i don't have tricks of the trade due to lack of fundage in that area. let me know if anyone can help. misfit skunk From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 06:11:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21544 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:11:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24055 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:52 -0700 Received: from Problems1@aol.com (92) by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zMLGa27691 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42beb72c.2471e21e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:20:30 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In (ARGUMENT) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I've been playing with knit bags for about 4 years now, and after finding a really good breaking in process, I think it's safe to say a facile bag wouldn't improve my playing style, mostly because I've played with them before. I seriously do much better with a well-broken-in knit bag, mostly due to the weight. Sometimes I'll even add some BBs to it. However, I agree with you on the hemp part; those take forever break in, and when they eventually do, the stitch is too wide, and the beads come out in all directions. POINT BEING: A good knit bag is just as good as a good facile bag, just like the right tevas can be perfect, if not better, substitutes for Lavers Matt Cross (Sorry about the "NoLastName" thing, that's my last name) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 06:11:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21559 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:11:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f71.hotmail.com [207.82.250.157]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA29614 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 10489 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 1999 01:55:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990518015507.10482.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.184.24.234 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.24.234] From: "matt dick" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] mirage help Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all i've had one heck of a week i finally started hitting some leg dexterity moves and i am soooooooooooo happy. I also have hit a couple osis'. yippeee!!!! Anywway I was in some need of advice, with muy dexterities that i've been hitting (leg over, mirage, around the world etc.) i can kick the sack back into play but i'm having seroius problems delaying after the dexterity. I have lavers and can hit toe stalls rather consistant. I use a facile juice bag and have a Dirtbag on the way. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on how i can nail the delays and start stringin some moves together?? all input is appreciated. thanx MaTt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 06:21:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21638 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:21:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA32654 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:21:47 -0700 Received: from [216.111.252.191] (dhcp216-111-252-191.atext.com [216.111.252.191]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11558; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42beb72c.2471e21e@aol.com> References: <42beb72c.2471e21e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:22:03 -0700 To: Matt Cross From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In (ARGUMENT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:20 PM -0400 5/17/99, Matt Cross wrote: >POINT BEING: A good knit bag is just as good as a good facile >bag Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah... Good one. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 08:24:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22005 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:24:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f82.hotmail.com [207.82.250.188]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00982 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:20:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 97685 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 1999 07:19:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990518071918.97684.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.217.213 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:19:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.217.213] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: badmonkey_911@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shoes? Mods-blah.... Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:19:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Chris asked: I am currently kicking in just >some >Airwalk ("19oz."--stlye name). I think that these shoes rock they are >perfectly flat in all areas, and since I am fairly new to the sport I fail >to see the purpose in modifying the shoes, because once you do that you >might as well just put little cups on your shoes. OKie, a few points to be made here. Airwalks can be fun as they do have many a flat surface, but since they are made out of thick thick cowhide, you cannot feel a bag through the leather, and so your connection with the bag is decreased. This will affect your control. The only real "advantages" airwalks have over lavers, are the landing pads they call heels and soles. Go crazy with them unusual surfaces. As for the laver toe modifications, yes, they do provide a catching cup. While the side barriers help beginners learn how to toe stall, the true advantage of lacing and modifying the toe box, is to increase the surface area of your toe. After a while, your bag won't make contact with the side barriers, so the "cup effect" is rendered useless anyway. Many intermediate and advanced stylers cut the last couple eyelets off anyway, to facilitate their pixie and fairy sets. The only real purpose of laver modifications are to increase the flat area on your toe where you can ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! stall, and to remove the thick canvas layer inside the shoe, so your toes and insteps can be more sensitive to the feel of the bag. Ceiling Fan nyfd _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 17:41:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24510 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:41:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA06387 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:04:18 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue May 18 06:03:43 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 06:03:43 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In (ARGUMENT) X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>POINT BEING: A good knit bag is just as good as a good facile >>bag > >Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah... Good one. :-) I was searching for a tactful response to say that I disagreed, but I think Steve pretty much answered it to the the "T". Late Ian "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 17:41:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24515 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:41:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04991 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:43:54 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA16948; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:44:41 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990518074207.0093cab0@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:46:41 -0700 To: Matt Cross From: Matt Avery Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In (ARGUMENT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <42beb72c.2471e21e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Cross said: > A good knit bag is just as good as a good facile bag. I hope you are just playing around...if not, I laugh. Are you saying that the bags are equally good when just kicking and keeping control of the bag, or that the bags shred ( not just ATWs and mirages...) equally good? Maybe the facile bag you got was one hard ass juice ( got one a year ago) that you never tried to break in....ya know, it helps to break them in.... Matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 18:15:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24814 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:15:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fastcart.com ([209.32.190.67]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10767 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:12:44 -0700 Received: from qbert [209.32.190.11] by fastcart.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AEE7607D024A; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:09:59 CDT X-Sender: dan@po.fastcart.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:17:37 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Dan Chick Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In (ARGUMENT) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <199905181209.SM00227@qbert> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My first tourney (montreal 93) I used a Sipa. And believe it or not I made the intermediate cut. And nobody could believe that I was using a Sipa. People offered to let me use their Juice bags but I wasn't comfortable with kicking 'em yet. So I used my old knit bag and threw all my old high school tricks (handstand neck catch anyone?). That said, that was the last time I ever kicked a knit bag when there were alternatives... Dan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 18 20:55:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25574 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:55:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14808 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:55:29 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com (8072) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id aRCKa02571; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:53:17 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In (ARGUMENT) To: dan@footbag.net, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've seen a few sipas that kept their shape well enough to do blurs, and stuff. But overall, facile is the king. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 19 06:33:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28259 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:33:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web210.mail.yahoo.com (web210.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.110]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25285 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:30:23 -0700 Message-ID: <19990519032941.16546.rocketmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.93.99.118] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:29:41 PDT Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Vern DeHaven Subject: [freestyle] Name it in 4 adds... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey 'stylers, Hit something I hadn't tried before today, the modest pixie leg-over. (Is it supposed to feel harder than a pixie butterfly?) My real Q's about a move I can't find on the list @ footbag.org. Looks a lot like a Dyno, except it's set by the same leg doing the dex. I'm gonna try Job's notation: clip > same out [dex] > in-spin [bod] > same clip [xbd][del] In English, set from left clipper, circle the bag from out to in with the left leg, spin to the right, and cach the bag on the left clipper again. Is this thing named? How about "Dino" (Dee-know) if it isn't? I know everyone hates the outside set, but this move is pretty cool when set from a right outside delay. (Or would this be considered another move?) Vern P.S. After having my Lavers for about a year, I finally bothered to cut the canvas and the first eyeholes out of the shoes. Much better! Still, I'm becoming a fan of Tevas... === Gravity is a wonderful bend of time. Just ask someone who shreds. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 19 06:35:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28278 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:35:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from alpha1.albany.edu (SYSTEM@alpha1.cnsvax.albany.edu [169.226.1.25]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19086 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:09:22 -0700 Received: from cnsvax.albany.edu by cnsvax.albany.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #35970) id <01JBCQNFP7AU8WWG77@cnsvax.albany.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:11:05 EDT Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: cheryl renodin Subject: Re: [freestyle] Break In (ARGUMENT) In-reply-to: <4.1.19990518074207.0093cab0@mail.direcpc.com> To: Matt Avery Cc: Matt Cross , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is that why Ive been doing this for years and I still suck?? Whew, thanks for the info, ill get another bag and see if i can become a superstar. On Tue, 18 May 1999, Matt Avery wrote: > Matt Cross said: > > > A good knit bag is just as good as a good facile bag. > > I hope you are just playing around...if not, I laugh. Are you saying that > the bags are equally good when just kicking and keeping control of the bag, > or that the bags shred ( not just ATWs and mirages...) equally good? Maybe > the facile bag you got was one hard ass juice ( got one a year ago) that > you never tried to break in....ya know, it helps to break them in.... > > Matt > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 19 06:55:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28342 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:55:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f301.hotmail.com [207.82.251.214]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27130 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 22:53:04 -0700 Received: