From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 1 16:22:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30129 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:22:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [206.99.66.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16397 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:03:54 -0700 Received: from 206.151.158.21 (ip110.mind.net [206.151.158.116]) by one.mind.net (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id BAA06942 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37533B00.5812@mind.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 01:44:35 +0000 From: Forest Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Westerns Rocks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For those who missed it, Western Regionals was the shiznit. People were busting out with tricks, combos, and strings that you will just have to see to believe. Seeing what people are pulling has left me gaping in awe and has inspired me to skool hard for this years Worlds. I can't possibly go into all the awesome moves and combos I saw. A notworthy move that I think was hit for the very first time ever by anyone was, pixie legbeater, hit by Sunil. A big thank you goes out to Steve Goldberg who once again put together a great tournement. Shred on shred heads, Forest From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 1 20:05:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31253 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:05:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f56.hotmail.com [209.185.131.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25987 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:55:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 14689 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 1999 18:37:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990601183739.14688.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.109.147.111 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:37:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.109.147.111] From: "Frank Gutowski" To: fastfoot@mind.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Westerns Rocks Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:37:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Forest, Not to toot my own horn - but I would like to correct your mentioning of Sunil hitting pixie-legbeater for the first time maybe ever. I hit that well over a month ago - plus pixie-tapdown and pixie-atomsmasher ... I digress, props to Sunil though, glad to hear someone else has hit it too! Sunil, you know, I know you are the man! Sorry for the tooting, but I am in Europe right now, and I wanted put my two cents in. Frank >From: Forest Schrodt >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Westerns Rocks >Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 01:44:35 +0000 > >For those who missed it, Western Regionals was the shiznit. People were >busting out with tricks, combos, and strings that you will just have to >see to believe. Seeing what people are pulling has left me gaping in >awe and has inspired me to skool hard for this years Worlds. >I can't possibly go into all the awesome moves and combos I saw. A >notworthy move that I think was hit for the very first time ever by >anyone was, pixie legbeater, hit by Sunil. > A big thank you goes out to Steve Goldberg who once again put together >a great tournement. > Shred on shred heads, > Forest _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 1 21:22:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32144 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:22:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from chaos.Vivid.com (chaos.vivid.com [207.105.222.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28292 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:12:57 -0700 Received: from [192.168.24.202] (gwvivid2.platinum.com [207.105.222.53]) by chaos.Vivid.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16730 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: eklein@chaos.vivid.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:56:19 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ethan Klein Subject: [freestyle] westerns Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah, peeps definitely "represented" at westerns, trying gnarly combos left and right. Another sick combo nailed was mobius into mobius by Lon - he hit it mid-25 move string. Sick. Eric, Ryan, "Diamond" Dave, Eli, "Salami" Jani, Rippin, Kenny, Huge, BAC, Daryl and others were rippin shiat up all weekend. It proved an odyssey of visual footbag delights. Til worlds! - Ethan <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ethan Klein vivid studios ethan@vivid.com work phone (415) 817-9705 From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 2 08:41:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01727 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:41:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f164.hotmail.com [209.185.131.227]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27022 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 19:55:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 71520 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 1999 02:54:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990529025442.71519.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.251.32.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 May 1999 19:54:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.251.32.5] From: "Alex Ibardaloza" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Chicago Bluesfest - June 3-6 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:54:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org W'sup, Chicago Bluesfest @Grant Park. June 3-6. - great place to SHREAD - FREE concert all weekend - GREAT place to shread - food, beer, uhhh... porta-potties - GREAT PLACE TO SHREAD Any body in the area coming? AirZeke From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 2 16:30:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02922 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:30:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17253 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:03:08 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA12029; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:45:32 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990529025442.71519.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:44:26 -0500 To: "Alex Ibardaloza" , freestyle@footbag.org, scothansen@yahoo.com From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Chicago Bluesfest - June 3-6 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Zeke! >W'sup, >Chicago Bluesfest @Grant Park. June 3-6. > - great place to SHREAD > - FREE concert all weekend > - GREAT place to shread > - food, beer, uhhh... porta-potties > - GREAT PLACE TO SHREAD >Any body in the area coming? I'm there! Val, Scott and Alex for sure... Eric Cokee is having a party on Saturday (right next to the bandshell) and that starts at 4:00... if anyone is gonna be down there, he said he just needs to put names on a guest list, then you get into the private party, free food and drinks,... so if you will be there, let me know and I'll try to get you in!!! It is always a blast! Bluesfest is truly a great place to shred! The largest free blues festival in the world! Tons of kickers out there. We'll see you there! Scott, Val and Alex From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 2 20:22:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04293 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:22:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26555 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:38:59 -0700 Received: from user (209-209-18-132.oak.inreach.net [209.209.18.132]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16626 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990602192608.008bbbe4@uclink4.Berkeley.edu> X-Sender: jclor@uclink4.Berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:26:08 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Jared Clorfeine Subject: Re: [freestyle] westerns Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd just like to chhime in and say I had a good time, too. For anyone who doesn't go to tournaments or doesn't compete, I'd like to encourage you, it's a lot of fun. A while ago, when I first saw people doing routines, I was dissapointed, because it seemed like they were doing really crappy moves (compared to when they were just shredding), and I thought it was kind of weak. But after actuallyn going to a few tournaments I've definitely come around; it's a lot of fun to watch people do routines and do them yourself, too. I do have lots of problems with ranking who's routine was better or worse, but if anyone out there doesn't compete because they don't like the "competition: part, I would encourage you to not worry about that, and simply embrace it as another form of freestyling, it's nice to have change from just shredding. Thanks a lot Steve. Later, Jared From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 3 16:12:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02293 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:12:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11713 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 04:11:31 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA14429 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:55:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990603065329.0092ada0@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 06:56:54 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matt Avery Subject: [freestyle] Legs to the Rescue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys! I was wondering if a couple of you could give me some advice about saving my legs for worlds. Lately, I've been shredding a couple hours everyday, and of course my legs are feeling it. Are their any tricks for saving your legs for worlds besides maybe not shredding a week before Chicago? thanks Matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 3 20:14:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03036 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:14:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16813 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:44:16 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03526; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:27:00 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990603065329.0092ada0@mail.direcpc.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:20:35 -0500 To: Matt Avery , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott.Davidson" " Subject: Re: [freestyle] Legs to the Rescue Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey matt! >I was wondering if a couple of you could give me some advice about saving >my legs for worlds. Lately, I've been shredding a couple hours everyday, >and of course my legs are feeling it. Are their any tricks for saving your >legs for worlds besides maybe not shredding a week before Chicago? Try tapering off during the last two weeks before worlds... skool the important stuff, but don't over do it... do a little less each day up til worlds, until it is at a point where you don't do more than 45 minutes solo a day. Then you can endure the long brutal shred circles prior to the actual competition, then still have legs left to burn at the mega shred after competiton!!! And your blades will be sharp!, no loss of "the edge". Keep Shreddin' See ya! Scott. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 4 05:21:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00506 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:21:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01785 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:06:14 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA210 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:51:32 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Western Shred Results Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01beae3d$8f580120$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I'd like to thank all those who participated in the first ever Western Regional Shred For Honor. No prize was given out as all proceeds went to Cystic Fibrosis. The contest was held separate from the tourney in that you didn't have to pay the base $45 entry fee to participate but you did have to pay $5 to SHRRRRRRRRRED! We had 16 entrants and The Mulroney family matched the $80 raised to double our donation to $160. Thank You Marsha and Tom! Thank You again Steve Goldberg and the entire Western Regional Event Staff! Rules were.. 45 seconds.. Shred.. ratio X variety of tricks 3 adds or over + adds RESULTS... Ratio Variety Adds Total 1. Regulator (Ryan Mulroney) 3.4375* 21 165* 237.1875 2. Ironman (Eric Wulff) 3.2449 18 159 217.4082 3. Sunil Jani 2.8723 23* 135 201.0629 4. Rippin (Rick Reese) 3.2162 17 119 173.6754 5. Forest Schrodt 2.6098 17 107 151.3666 6. Genzu (Daryl Genz) 2.7105 17 103 149.0785 7. "Wicked" Eric Windsor 2.7128 16 96 139.8848 8. Highlander (Dave Holton) 2.7568 13 102 137.8384 9. Monster (Eli Piltz) 2.5405 14 94 129.567 10. Ethan Klein 2.2954 10 101 123.954 11. "Shred On" Lon Smith 2.2368 15 85 118.552 12. Big Add (Chad Devlahovich) 2.5625 13 82 115.3125 13. Alex Zerbe 1.9286 11 81 102.2146 14. Kyle "the Style" Crawford 2.3438 11 75 100.7818 15. Deliciously Saucy Josh Penney 2.1724 12 63 89.0688 16. Thank You Toby.. withdrew due to shred pain from earlier in the day but didn't withdraw his $5. * designates high score iron From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 4 16:04:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01590 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:04:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06318 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:46:22 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA13399 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:32:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990604062950.00929c00@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 06:34:15 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matt Avery Subject: [freestyle] leg speed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup shredddas!! Like I said before, lately, I've been shredding about 3 hours a day for the last week. As I practice my strings and different moves, I can see -some- improvement on my speed, but more on what I can link. I've heard before about ankle wights used for speed, but are their any tricks you all have successfully used that work the speed of your legs? Thanks again. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 4 20:33:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02888 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:33:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f74.hotmail.com [207.82.250.180]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15083 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:19:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 78773 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 1999 19:04:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990604190404.78772.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.2 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:04:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.2] From: Andrew McCargar To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] leg speed Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:04:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Avery wrote: >are their any tricks you all have successfully used that work the >speed of >your legs? Timeing and technique, if you get those down it even makes blurriest seem slow and leisurely. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 5 02:47:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03915 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:47:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f183.hotmail.com [207.82.251.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA22427 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:01:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 74853 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 1999 01:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990605014600.74852.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.184.25.138 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:46:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.25.138] From: MaTt DiCk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The dex leg plant? Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 01:46:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all again. I've finally hit around the world delays and legover delays on my right side. I however am still having trouble with the mirage. My problem is that i can never get my dex leg down in time to support my so i can catch the bag on my setting foot. I can get an mirage kick as i hit the sack while in my jump. Does anyone have any advice as to practicing opposite side dexterities and how to hit mirages in a delay>??? All advice is greatly appreciated.! MaTt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 6 04:09:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06555 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 04:09:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12000 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:36:34 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA18797 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:21:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sba-ca2-21.ix.netcom.com(204.32.201.85) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018782; Sat Jun 5 21:21:06 1999 Message-ID: <000901beafc3$313e42c0$55c920cc@oemcomputer> From: "David Hillis" To: "freestyle" Subject: [freestyle] Nemesis? Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:20:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEAF88.82F8A960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEAF88.82F8A960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey everyone, I've been out of the loop for a bit now, but I saw the = Nemesis on the moves list and was wondering who is hitting that, if = anyone? Anyway just checking. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEAF88.82F8A960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEAF88.82F8A960-- From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 6 19:48:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07773 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:48:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28738 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:59:57 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.3.138]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAAD93 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:45:14 -0600 Message-ID: <375AC26C.56E77D03@isu.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 12:48:12 -0600 From: Robert Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Idaho Falls Streetfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestylers! The 1999 Idaho Falls Streetfest Footbag Competition is coming up June 19th. This is a great opportunity to come out and shred in front of tons of people. About six or seven blocks of the downtown area will be closed of from traffic, and people will be wandering around enjoying the music, food, and beer. According to the people I have talked to, we cannot have an entry fee. There is therefore no prize money. However, some of the downtown merchants will be donating prizes to top competitors. Also, it looks like T-shirts are a real possibility. I know that compared to most competitions the prizes are scant, but this is still a great opportunity to come out and educate the public about footbag. The Streetfest only lasts one day; however, if enough people come into town and interest warrants, we could probably have a shred contest of some sort the following day. Any ideas would be welcomed. If anyone coming in from out of town needs floorspace, I will try to accomodate you. There is probably space for around 10 or 12 people. So far the only people I know will be here are myself (Bob Green), and Steve Howland. Forest Schrodt said that he is going to try and make it as well. How about some of you other guys? Colorado Posse??(It is about a 9 hour drive) University of Idaho guys??(about 9 hours) Anyone else?? For those of you coming in from out of town, please let me know. This way I can let others know you are coming, and I will also have an idea how many people need floorspace. See ya later, Bob From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 6 21:12:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07912 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:12:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30284 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:26:25 -0700 Received: from smegma (user-2ivf0ab.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.129.75]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04481 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990606161148.007f0770@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:11:48 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [freestyle] Idaho and other garden tools In-Reply-To: <375AC26C.56E77D03@isu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:48 PM 6/6/99 -0600, Robert Green wrote: > The 1999 Idaho Falls Streetfest Footbag Competition is coming up >June 19th. This is a great opportunity to come out and shred in front Nice to know Idaho is not without some footbag representation. Are there any stylers in the Boise area? I already checked Goldberg's little web site, and the only two clubs in Idaho are way the heck up north. I'll be visiting Boise this summer for a day or two (in July, so I won't be able to catch the Streetfest) and it would be great to have a meeting of shreds while there. Incidentally, I'll be hitting Boulder too (as well as various cities in the states of UT, MT, and WY). Although I've alerted Eli to this fact, he must be AWOL since I've gotten no reply for two weeks now. Hopefully some of the Sky High guys will be around when I pass through... Interested footbag parties in the aforementioned states can contact me privately for approximate dates of arrival/departure. -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Geek Code v3.1: GCS d- s+:-- a- C++ W++ N++ w+ M- V-- t+ e++ h+ Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 7 18:23:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11359 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:23:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] The dex leg plant? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:06:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000301beb0ee$f56b2f60$c136c786@software.mitel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <19990605014600.74852.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > in my jump. Does anyone have any advice as to practicing opposite side > dexterities and how to hit mirages in a delay>??? Well, since it hasn't been long since I went through the same learning process, I think I can offer some help here. You need to pay close attention to how you move, and figure out how you can "cheat". When you learned a legover, you probably realized that you had to start the dex before the setting leg hit the ground (or at least you should, if you want it to be easy). The dex is practically done the instant the bag leaves the setting foot. The same idea applies to a mirage. Figure out where the dex leg needs to go, and then play the body motions back in reverse to the set. The important part of the mirage is really the catch. You want the dex to just happen by itself as you go for the catch. One great way that I found to make this happen is to turn my toes inward before the move starts. This way, you don't have to turn your hips to get ready for the dex. Just set, kick your dex leg between the bag and the set leg, hop and catch. I hope this helps get you started. Once you hit it a few times, the details of foot/hip positioning become natural very quickly. Dave From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 8 03:30:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13258 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:30:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00649 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:44:07 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990608014405.JEIM22376.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: <375C76FC.7AB973D3@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:50:52 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MaTt DiCk CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The dex leg plant? References: <19990605014600.74852.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org MaTt DiCk wrote: > > Hi all again. I've finally hit around the world delays and legover delays on > my right side. I however am still having trouble with the mirage. My problem > is that i can never get my dex leg down in time to support my so i can catch > the bag on my setting foot. I can get an mirage kick as i hit the sack while > in my jump. Boom. You just named your problem. You should be ending the move with a delay - that means that not only your catching toe, but your ENTIRE body should be moving down in a fluid motion. If you aren't cushioning the bag when you go to catch it, you need to think a bit more about the timing of the move. The dexterity on a mirage is really very small. You don't need to think so much about circling the bag. Instead, just as Dave mentioned, concentrate on the delay. Try this: Hold the bag in your right hand. Raise your right knee to waist level. Kindof toss the bag up beside your knee (set it mid stomach level). Then, just hop over the bag ending in a left toe delay. If you do this enough, you'll understand what everyone has been saying about concentrating mainly on the dealy - the dex just happens. Now, set the bag from your left hand while holding your left knee up in front of you. This is easier for most people because it goes to the right toe. It is VITAL that you do this on both sides. Once you get the timing down, set it from your toe. Just think about getting the set up beside your raised knee - just like if you were doing it from a hand toss. Then, set from clipper. A mirage is a move that you do while the bag is on the way down. In other words, the dexterity comes from raising your knee in front of you and just hopping over the bag. Once you get the feel of the move, you won't believe that it ever caused you grief. You will also get the feel for the timing involved in many other moves. All moves ending with a delay have the "magic hop" which allows for the cushioning of the stall. As with any move, practice, practice, practice, practice... > Does anyone have any advice as to practicing opposite side > dexterities and how to hit mirages in a delay>??? > Yes. You have to try them - often. If one side is harder for you, then you will have to practice it more. Don't fall into the same trap that I fell into. I still practice my good side more than my weak side just because I like to hit moves. If I practice weak side, I drop a lot and can't get into a groove. But, I know that the only way to get good at the weak side is to practice it more than I have already practiced my strong side. If only I had started out skooling both sides... Hope some of this was useful. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 8 16:22:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15146 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:22:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06881 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:57:33 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:53:03 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782315E1D2@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Calling Sydney Shredders.... Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:53:01 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All, Any freestylers from Sydney out there? Give me a bell, I will be there Friday 11th till Sunday 20th, and am keen for a kick... Cheers ! PS. Anyone else out there notice that the cost of a flight has been jacked up to 40% more than usual? Damn Millenium !! From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 9 04:42:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18139 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 04:42:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01943 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:06:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:06:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Wingert To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shredding in the "Big Apple" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone! I am visiting a friend of mine in New York during June 14th-June 21st. If anyone is interested in some NY shred, please e-mail me for more information. Thanks, Sean From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 9 21:47:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21036 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:47:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15331 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:53:30 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com (4535) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zOPWa21481 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a752201.24901fed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:52:13 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Find Lavers for Cheap To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm counting on you stylers on this list to help me out with finding the cheaoists place (whether on the net or wherever) to get lavers... My old ones now are starting to fall apart and I need to purchase some new ones to break in before I retire these... Any help would be appreciated.. I'm only asking because I've heard from some stylers who've gotten them for pretty low prices...any help would be appreciated... also I'm wondering if they still make that light blue color.... I have dark blue right now and I'm getting tired of looking at it after every dex...anywayz god bless and take it easy shred heads. Later ~Bryan F. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 9 22:00:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21122 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:00:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Anthony Carrozzo Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16919 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:59:42 -0700 Received: from BassAmp11@aol.com (230) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zCLUa02073 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:58:35 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Sup Guys To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up fellow shredders, I would just like to introduce myself, i'm anthony and just signed up to the freestyle list. I'm a beginner to the sport but am like the best guy i know. I live in New york on long island, so if anyone lives on the island send me a mail, maybe we can get together and shred, i want to meet some real footbaggers. I can pull of some tricks, like all the stalls except for clipper ( i'm real close though ), and things like the dragonfly kick and walk overs, and i can kick till no end. I'm just writing to say whats up and wondering if any of you have any advice for a newbee. I always called the sport hackin, am i politically incorrect when i say this, i am one of those high school kickers but i want to become just a little more professional. Anthony, L.I. Kicker From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 10 01:41:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22069 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:41:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17691 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:33:32 -0700 Received: from acsdallas.com (A204-01.PPP.DLLS.TX.VERIO.NET [206.50.203.1]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00789 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:33:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from JAMES [144.19.62.4] by acs_dc [144.19.62.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:42:36 -0500 Received: by JAMES with Microsoft Mail id <01BEB291.266AFB60@JAMES>; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:00:09 -0000 Message-ID: <01BEB291.266AFB60@JAMES> From: James Roberts To: "freestyle@footbag.org" , "'Bryan Fournier'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Find Lavers for Cheap Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:00:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id WAA21237 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan wrote: >I'm counting on you stylers on this list to help me out with finding the cheaoists place (whether on the net or wherever) to get lavers... Try calling Just For Feet @ 800-572-3668. The order info is: Brand: Adidas Style: 032799 SKU : 0151023363 Please let me know if they've got them in stock. JR DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 10 08:16:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22943 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:16:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26767 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:01:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33464) with SMTP id <0FD300201NHUR0@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:01:06 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sup Guys In-reply-to: To: Anthony Carrozzo Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Anthony Carrozzo wrote: > I always called the sport hackin, am i politically incorrect when i say this. If you want to call it "hackin" go ahead, but the P.C. and REAL name of the game is "FOOTBAG". "Hacky Sack" is a brand name that caught on and became most familiar. You'll probably find that people will say things like "What the hell is footbag?" to which you will reply "Hacky Sack!". So you choose; be politically correct and educate the world or be understood without further need to explain yourself. BRAD From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 10 16:27:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24256 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:27:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02604 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:59:59 -0700 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by mail.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05472 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906101500.LAA05472@mail.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:08:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sup Guys From: "Neil Bearse" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > If you want to call it "hackin" go ahead, but the P.C. and REAL name >of the game is "FOOTBAG". "Hacky Sack" is a brand name that caught on and >became most familiar. You'll probably find that people will say things >like "What the hell is footbag?" to which you will reply "Hacky Sack!". >So you choose; be politically correct and educate the world or be >understood without further need to explain yourself. > > BRAD > Hey all. When I first started kicking, WAY back, everyone called it hacky sack, and everyone was happy about it. But back then, all we ever did was kick and try to throw in the occasional 'Jester'. Then I discovered the mecca of www.footbag.org, and discovered that there was more to this sport than just kicking a crocheted bag!!!! So, as I began to work on the new moves, I started using the REAL terminology for these things. And now, at school, when people see my friends and i kicking, they all now know that it is called 'footbag'. People learn slowly. But it is definately catching on. And now, there are still those who sit outside behind the school and 'hacky sack', but there are also those who are trying dexterities, and clipper delays etc. so i say, don't take the easy way and call it hacky sack. distinguish yourself from those who just whack around an old guat bag, call it footbag, and explain the sport to those who are interested.. *Neil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 11 00:20:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26553 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:20:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Cody Hughes Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16032 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:12:46 -0700 Received: from Loadmaniac@aol.com (8023) by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zTVTa08017 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:10:51 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Hey dudes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, IM a new listie, or lister, or listet, or.....anyway, iv been hackin' for a good year and iv got quite a few tricks down, but many tricks iv heard about, I cant figure out, im kindu the "See it first" But ill live. I live in Lubbock Texas and I have a few budz who like to hack. Every day a school we hack at lunch. We really made this a popular thing at our school. The senior class even donated a picnic table to us and others who want to watch us. Im proud. But anyway, if anyone in the area wants to do some shreddin', let me know. When me and my budz came up with a new game because me and another were getting a little greedy it our circles. We call it 21, we add up on tricks till we get to 21, on the 21's point, you catch it. if you drop it, you pass it. it worked for a little bit but it got to where whoever started it won it. so we bumped it up to 51. well anyway, just thought i'd share that. Im not mental or anything. Catch you dudes on the flip! Cody "Surferdude" Hughes From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 11 17:15:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29428 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:15:30 GMT Received: (from mail@localhost) by gate.cmsinc.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA07316 for freestyle-digest@list.footbag.org; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: gate.cmsinc.com: mail set sender to aaron_barnett@cmsinc.com using -f Received: from bwi_exchange.cmsinc.com(172.16.17.143) by gate.cmsinc.com via smap (V2.0alpha) id xma007194; Fri, 11 Jun 99 08:41:19 -0400 Received: by bwi_exchange.cmsinc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: <6401D27F35C1D2119B7800A0C9DECB7476C152@bwi_exchange.cmsinc.com> From: Aaron Barnett To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] which tevas? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:41:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org for those of you kicking in tevas... which strapping is best? From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 11 22:25:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30585 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:25:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03457 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:09:37 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Fri Jun 11 11:08:56 1999 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:08:56 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] ??Error on 5-add Move list?? X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.120.62 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all... I was just scrolling through the 5-add move list and happened to notice that there is a note on "pogo paradox mirage". It essentially says that "pogo paradox mirage(in-out)" is worth five-adds. Yet, "pogo paradox rev. mirage(out-in)" is only worth four-adds. I remember a good debate over the concept of paradox and the direction of the dex, but I did not think anything was set in stone. The only way I can see it might be that someone is viewing it as a "shooting toe stall" (is this the case?), but if done cleanly (meaning pogo set, paradox reverse mirage)it seems to me that it is just as, if not more, deserving of the five adds. It isn't any different than blur vs. blizzard, right? Or, rather, under this arguement they both should get four. Ian D. MizzoU Footbag Fanatics "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 11 22:25:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30581 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:25:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.mail.yahoo.com (web601.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.165]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02657 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <19990611172937.13543.rocketmail@web601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [142.177.95.24] by web601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:29:37 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Clee Subject: [freestyle] need people To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, if anybody from Nova Scotia, Canada reads this, and you live near halifax or Dartmouth, please write to me, We need some people to hack with this summer, hopefully you'llbe able to teach us some stuff, and we'll teach you somthing too. josh_clee@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 11 22:26:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30595 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:26:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web607.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.171]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02618 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:27:58 -0700 Message-ID: <19990611172829.19313.rocketmail@web607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [142.177.95.24] by web607.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:28:29 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Clee Subject: [freestyle] clipper stall To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey whats up everyone? I've been hacking for about a year or two now, and me and my friends have been to able to pull off a lot of the tricks, but theres one thats been buggin us forever, and its the simple little Clipper Stall, we can't seem to get it to work, does anyone have any pointers or tips for me? thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 12 01:41:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31294 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:41:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13340 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:25:05 -0700 Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12223 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:30:12 -0500 Received: from alpha-1 ([216.106.36.15]) by mail.socket.net ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:33:33 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:28:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 From: Jeremiah Riely Reply-To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu X-Mailer: Mail Warrior 2 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] ??Error on 5-add Move list?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer-Version: v2.03a Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Hey all... >I was just scrolling through the 5-add move list and happened to notice that there is a note on "pogo paradox mirage". It essentially says that "pogo paradox mirage(in-out)" is worth five- adds. Yet, "pogo paradox rev. mirage(out-in)" is only worth four-adds. I remember a good debate over the concept of paradox and the direction of the dex, but I did not think anything was set in stone. The only way I can see it might be that someone is viewing it as a "shooting toe stall" (is this the case?), but if done cleanly (meaning pogo set, paradox reverse mirage)it seems to me that it is just as, if not more, deserving of the five adds. It isn't any different than blur vs. blizzard, right? Or, rather, under this arguement they both should get four. >Ian D. >MizzoU Footbag Fanatics I'm not sure, but on the pogo paradox rev. mirage the shooting set either doesn't get a paradox add or a symposium add. It is the same case with shooting butterfly (pogo paradox leg beater) wich is worth 6 adds. I don't know which one is discounted. I remember a discussion about paradox switching sides after a shooting set (for example in shooting mirage clip > (no plant while) op in dex > op out dex > op in dex > op toe the last dexterity would get a paradox add). If this is true then the second dex in a shooting set would not be paradox, but it seems like that dex is very similar to a paradox rev. mirage set like in a paradox legbeater. So mabye the symposium add is discounted in a shooting set. I don't know which is the case. I've asked before on the list if it is possible for a shooting set to have the second dexterity paradox but I didn't get an answer. Later From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 12 01:41:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31298 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:41:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Joshua Pritt Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12561 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:52:23 -0700 Received: from RAMGarden@aol.com (14458) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zLKVa26546 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:50:58 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] clipper stall To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 6/11/99 5:04:42 PM Central Daylight Time, josh_clee@yahoo.com writes: << freestyle@footbag.org >> I'm not the greatest footbagger, but I know to pull off the clipper stall in in the support leg's knee. If that sucker doesn't bend DEEP, You won't get your foot flat enough underneath. Keep in mind three things: 1) Keep balance on all sides with one foot 2) Bend deeply with non support leg tucked behind support and 3) keep setting foot FLAT You know you're doing it right when it hurts! Try stretching your hams out beforehand. Trust me ouch!!! Joshua Oxford AL From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 13 02:41:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01767 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:41:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com (3925) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id xSUDa13485; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:37:01 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] which tevas? To: aaron_barnett@cmsinc.com, freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I use the Valkyries. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 13 02:41:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01772 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:41:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA30091 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:51:06 -0700 Received: from bessie.excite.com ([199.172.152.102]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990612235106.BRLN2244.ewey@bessie.excite.com> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:51:06 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Clipper stall Message-Id: <929231467.16286.642@excite.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:51:07 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.212 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Joshua, josh_clee, and all.... On Friday June 11th, '99 at 19:50 Joshua wrote: >...... >Keep in mind three things: 1) Keep balance >on all sides with one foot Huh? :-) > 2) Bend deeply with nonsupport leg tucked behind >support and 3) keep setting foot FLAT To clarify a little further for the original post: The foot of the support leg should be flat on ground about half way through the move after you LAND ON THE BALL OF YOUR FOOT (not shouting, just re-enforcing)and bend the knee a fair degree, allowing for the cushioning or bounce that will push the bag back off as you 'jump out' of the move off the support leg. If you get a good balance between bounce and vertical movement of the 'catching' leg you shouldn't really have to bend all that 'deeply' at all(unless that's your style). The sole of the foot that catches the bag should be close to perpendicular with ground, putting the inside surface of your foot 'flat' enough to provide a stable surface for the bag to set Straight back up from whence it came. > You know you're doing it right when it hurts! > Try stretching your >hams out beforehand. >Trust me ouch!!! >Joshua Dude, I really hope you're talking about it hurting mentally, 'cause if it hurts you to do a clipper, then You're doing it wrong too. No individual freestyle move should hurt. If it does, try it another way.... now if you're talking about skoolin' a clipper for three hours straight and you feel tight after then OK, stretch....but please, don't give people that advice, it's dangerous for them. If you need anymore clarification(i.e. my explanation Sucked :-0) just ask again! Allan K. Haggett Victoria, BC _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 13 06:30:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02315 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:30:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02367 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:29:54 -0700 Received: from Problems1@aol.com (14426) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zIJIa17716 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:29:10 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] which tevas? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I prefer the Terradactyls. I own a pair of the terra-fi 98s, and I definitely prefer terradactlys. MUCH better inside cup, better straps, better outside. I've played with both, and I definitely would choose terradactyles. Matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 13 06:40:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02334 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:40:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Joshua Pritt Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02387 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:30:29 -0700 Received: from RAMGarden@aol.com (8003) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id zGZFa26754 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f293dd2.24949bc3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:29:39 EDT Subject: [freestyle] practice To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I guess I really need more practice From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 13 17:53:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03045 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:53:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10569 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:32:40 -0700 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04947 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906131432.KAA04947@admin.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:41:11 -0400 Subject: [freestyle] Dragon From: "Neil Bearse" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey d00dz. I have always been confused by the 'dragon'. how can you get an outside surface of your foot pointing up to catch the bag, while in the xbody position? without dislocating at the hip or anything.....??? Maybe im just not picturing it right. maybe im insane..... who knowS? -Neil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 15 08:30:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25055 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:30:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10575 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:38:33 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990614213832.TJJB13429.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:38:32 -0700 Message-ID: <376577CC.EC147005@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:44:44 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Dubman CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] ??Error on 5-add Move list?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian Dubman wrote: > > Hey all... > I was just scrolling through the 5-add move list and happened to notice that > there is a note on "pogo paradox mirage". It essentially says that "pogo paradox > mirage(in-out)" is worth five-adds. Yet, "pogo paradox rev. mirage(out-in)" is > only worth four-adds. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the pogo concept lost the symposium add. There are three related moves - a blur, a pogo pdx mirage, and a blurry symp mirage. Of these, the blurry symp mirage is the only one that should be worth 5 adds. Pogo pdx mirage is the exact same thing as a blur, but you don't plant the set foot. This isn't any harder, it is just different. I've never tried pogo pdx rev mirage, but I'm guessing it would be just like a blizzard (unless you did it shooting style). You do get the pdx, but not the symp... I think it is because the pogo set is so easy to slur. It is my opinion that you should only be able to get a symp add if the dex is done while the bag is on the way down - in other words, you can't have a symposium set. Comments? -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 15 08:30:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25060 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:30:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24913 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:30:22 -0700 Received: from scorch.excite.com ([199.172.152.240]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990614042950.EMUV724.fortune@scorch.excite.com> for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:29:50 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: re:[freestyle] Dragon? Message-Id: <929334592.25043.484@excite.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:29:52 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.245 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Neil and all..., >On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 at 10:41:11 -0400 >Neil Bearse wrote: > hey d00dz. I have always been confused by >the'dragon'. how can you get >an outside surface of your foot pointing up to >catchthe bag, while in the >xbody position? without dislocating at the hip >oranything.....??? Maybe im >just not picturing it right. maybe im insane..... >whoknowS? -Neil I got asked this yesterday by a guy I was playing with and I told him to try starting from an outside delay and twist around until it feels like your gonna drop it, then bend your base leg(even more) and turn your head to look at it from the other side. Voila! you are in x-body, outside position(Dragon)! From here try pushing the bag up(more by jumping slightly off the base leg than anything), and rotate your ankle into the more natural clipper position. Now,this is approaching the move backwards, but he did it this way and by the end of the session he was hitting it from clipper and bring it around the other direction. The more you do it the better control you have etc...etc... the key, I guess, is to get comfortable looking at the bag from that perspective and work from there. There's about twenty different variations to the Dragon(like any basic move) so go with what's comfy. Allan K. Haggett Victoria, BC _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 15 08:30:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25065 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:30:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f246.hotmail.com [209.185.130.211]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA26787 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:53:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 79516 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 06:52:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614065256.79515.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.109.147.111 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:52:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.109.147.111] From: Frank Gutowski To: Problems1@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] which tevas? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:52:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org All I gotts to say is terri-fi 98s, they freggin rock hard core ass. My add to contact ratio has exploded since I started using them. Frank >From: Matt Cross >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] which tevas? >Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:29:10 EDT > >I prefer the Terradactyls. I own a pair of the terra-fi 98s, and I >definitely prefer terradactlys. MUCH better inside cup, better straps, >better outside. I've played with both, and I definitely would choose >terradactyles. > >Matt _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 15 08:30:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25050 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:30:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10660 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:42:33 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990614214231.TKHS13429.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:42:31 -0700 Message-ID: <376578BC.A16AAC44@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:48:44 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Neil Bearse" CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dragon References: <199906131432.KAA04947@admin.cgocable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Neil Bearse" wrote: > > hey d00dz. I have always been confused by the 'dragon'. how can you get > an outside surface of your foot pointing up to catch the bag, while in the > xbody position? without dislocating at the hip or anything.....??? Maybe im > just not picturing it right. Oh yeah... you are picturing it right. Dragon stalls are only for the insane. But, if you really want to give it a try, do an outside delay and then wrap it to the x-bdy position. Ouch. It hurts me to do them, but I've seen a few people - Jon Schneider (sp?) for one - do them with ease. It is a great looking move unless you break something trying it. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 15 08:30:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25070 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:30:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd128.hotmail.com [207.82.252.192]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09131 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:32:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 65408 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 20:32:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614203206.65407.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.27.84.65 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:32:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.27.84.65] From: Brian Waligorski To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dragon Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:32:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Neil Wrote: hey d00dz. I have always been confused by the 'dragon'. how can you get an outside surface of your foot pointing up to catch the bag, while in the xbody position? without dislocating at the hip or anything.....??? Maybe im just not picturing it right. maybe im insane..... who knowS? -Neil Neil, You nailed it right on the head. Insane... It took me forever to be able to come colse to getting my ankle to bend like that. One of the big things to doing a dragon is the hip possitioning. Its hard to explian and maybe some one else will do it better then I. Iv'e kicked with a guy, Jon Schnider , and let me tell ya, this guy can do these things like it was a toe stall. Ever thought of a swirling dragon? it looks like his ankle just flops around the bag. Brian Waligorski P.S. I heard some one comment on a sugery that you can get to remove a small bone from your ankle. Is this true? Just wonderin'. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 21 00:27:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17003 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:27:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16097 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:41:10 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.15]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA43D5 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:41:42 -0600 Message-ID: <376D52CB.8C191A69@isu.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:44:59 -0600 From: Robert Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Idaho Falls Streetfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, Despite having only local competition (not a large depth of skill in the area), the Idaho Falls Streetfest was a big success. There were over twenty competitors in the consecutive events, and six competitors in the freestyle event. During freestyle, there were 80+ spectators. Aside from that, there were several other people circle kicking all day. Interest for footbag has certainly been peaked in the area. With the great reaction from everyone, I am sure we will be invited to have a competion again next year. Maybee then some of you guys can make it out. It really was a lot of fun! See you all at worlds, Bob Green From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 21 22:32:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21021 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:32:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f80.hotmail.com [209.185.131.143]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21873 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:55:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 55715 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 1999 04:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990621045522.55714.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.36.132.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:55:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.36.132.4] From: Lynton Stephens To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 2 bag juggling & smear with a dive Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:55:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Stylers- I've seen a couple of people juggle 2 bags, but I've never heard any explaination of how it done. Does any body have any hints on learning this?? Also, does anyone have a name for pixie diving mirage? Keep shredding, Lynton - MFC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 21 23:44:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21420 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:44:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08874 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:27 -0700 Received: by mail.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:40:52 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378231EB127@mail.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Inspiration Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:40:52 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok freestyle nerds, I need to hear about some ridiculously difficult combos and tricks being hit out there... I need some inspiration ! I need to be shocked ! I'll even start the ball rolling with a combo of my own: From right toe: Legbeater, Blur, Atom Smasher, Atom Smasher, Omlette, Legbeater, Ripwalk, Blur, Legbeater, BAIL From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 22 08:19:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08196 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:19:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14277; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:28:25 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com (364) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id rASPa02073; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <829c3c43.24a05c2c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:25:32 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org legbeater, blur, pixie butt., ripwalk, ripwalk, blur, pixie. butt., stepping butt., pdx. dbl. legover ~Bryan F. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 22 08:19:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08191 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:19:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12402 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:02:01 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990622020154.GULS9450.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:01:54 -0700 Message-ID: <376EF057.7632B7D6@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:09:27 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration References: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378231EB127@mail.callplus.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote: > > From right toe: Legbeater, Blur, Atom Smasher, Atom Smasher, Omlette, > Legbeater, Ripwalk, Blur, Legbeater, BAIL Damn boy... you are truly sick with your atomic sets. Have you hit fusion swirl yet? How about ducking fusion (with the duck between dexes 1 and 2)? As for myself, I don't have any combos to compete with that. Would it inspire you if I told you that I've just been working on stringing together 20+ 3 add moves. Along with that, I've beeen trying to throw in some tripless combos (usually three moves or so) into those longer strings. My add ratio is still way below my goal of 3.5. As always, I'm sure everyone's level of play will step up a notch after Worlds... hopefully I'll have some combos to mention after that. Only 3 more weeks! I'll see everyone at the freestyle site(s). Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 22 17:28:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09701 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:28:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f129.hotmail.com [209.185.131.192]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24798 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:24:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 60036 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jun 1999 16:15:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990622161543.60035.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.255.129.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:15:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.255.129.135] From: alex ibardaloza To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:15:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > From right toe: Legbeater, Blur, Atom Smasher, Atom Smasher, >Omlette,Legbeater, Ripwalk, Blur, Legbeater, BAIL that's nasty! how'z bout spinning eclipse, superfly, vortex, paradox torque, mobius. Iv'e never hit it, I just think it would look PHAT. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 22 17:46:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09778 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:46:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: "Owen Parrish Who Didn't Sign His Name" Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25092 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:46:40 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id zFLRa09306 (3984) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:45:18 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org How bout this one, ATW, pixie, mirage, clipper mirage, LOL, that's all i can muster From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 23 07:35:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12996 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:35:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01603 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:49:18 -0700 Received: from almond.excite.com ([198.3.99.227]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990622234847.IORO1825.kuku@almond.excite.com> for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:48:47 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration Message-Id: <930095328.19468.746@excite.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:48:48 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 209.29.48.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Ummm.... this is a combo I hit a half hour ago: stepping barfly, ducking butterfly, inspinning mirage, pixie butterfly, ripwalk, blur, diving (ducking? from a toe, I dunno) butterfly, mobius, torque, drop. Allan Victoria, BC _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 23 08:20:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13091 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:20:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [206.99.66.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07196 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:20:34 -0700 Received: from 206.151.158.70 (ip64.mind.net [206.151.158.70]) by one.mind.net (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA05357 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37702805.60F3@mind.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:19:23 +0000 From: Forest Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration References: <930095328.19468.746@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I couldn't help but get in on this bragging session. ;) stepping but.>blur>smere>pixie but.>barfly>paradox torque>but.>paradox dble legover>but>(otherside)paradox dble legover>but.>mobius>drop Pardon the three butterflies, they just slipped in there by accident. All I can say is the combos the Regulator is busting .... humbles. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 23 18:25:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14509 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:25:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15458 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:13:58 -0700 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id zLEQa21519 (14381) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b8c4e28.24a261a3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:13:23 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org barrage>osis>opp osis> opp osis> butterfly> double ATW> temple stall>opp temple stall>pendelum>atw>rake>chest stall>back stall that's prob the best I could do, still workin on ripwalks..... :( Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 23 18:26:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14535 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:26:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13404 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:08:45 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id zHBIa09216 (7991) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <873d479b.24a24404@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:07:00 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Butterfly To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org While on the topic of butterflys anyways, any tips. I can do it if I drop the bag with my hand but I'm having problems setting it then doing it. Where do you set from. The clipper catch isn't the problem either so don't refer me to some clipper tutorial. It's all in the dex. Owen Parrish From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 23 19:00:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14710 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:00:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from nccn2.nccn.net (IDENT:root@nccn2.nccn.net [209.79.220.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17649 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:01:21 -0700 Received: from left (tc3-198.nccn.net [209.79.221.198]) by nccn2.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*rGs* 99.06.15-NCCN2-) with SMTP id KAA04883 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:59:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bebda2$23448fc0$c6dd4fd1@left> From: "Stuart Smith" To: "footbag" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:57:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well that sounds like your legs beat so hard they smash atoms! Pretty awesome. Try gyro mirage to anything atomic. Here some of my best combo's Inspining osis, torque, inspining osis, torque and mobius, mobius(right in front of Kenny!) and down doubble,stepping butterfly,blur,parkwalk,prdx doubblelegover Hey if I'm ever in the neighborhood maybe you can teach me how to make an omlette with an atom smasher and a legbeater, but no eggs? Hint: Don't forget to school the two adds!!! ShredOnLon From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 23 22:05:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15629 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:05:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f185.hotmail.com [207.82.251.74]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19890 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:00:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 39028 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 1999 19:59:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990623195931.39027.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.184.24.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:59:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.24.10] From: MaTt DiCk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Ripwalk//the string thing Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:59:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org howdy doodie all, i hope everyone is havin a great summer, i know i am. Anyways, I just recently started hitting clipper>opp clipper and noticed while watching a video of eric wulff doing a ripwalk, they cant be too hard (taking in that i can do the butterfly delay and the clipper delay). So i set off to work... ifound this trick a bit harder than she looks. See, the problem comes right after, if, i get the dex coming out of my clipper. The bag is never high enough to give me enough time to go into my butterfly :( I tried setting the bag higher out of the clipper but i can never seem to get my leg over the bag when i do this; it always hits me in the thigh. also, while i'm, yappin, I need some help/advice on how to hit strings. I can usually get like a toe>clip>artw>opp toe>legover>...maybe butterfly. This is on a VERY good day. normally i hit like toe>clip>toe>PAUSE>artw>drop. As you can see i cant get very long strings, and even when i do i have trouble keeping them fluent without pausing in between tricks. remember,, ALL help is greatly appreciated by this begginner on this end. MaTt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 07:08:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18019 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:08:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (root@ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25170 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:01:58 -0700 Received: from unknown (slip22.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.22]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id SAA21179; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378231EB127@mail.callplus.co.nz> References: Conversation <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378231EB127@mail.callplus.co.nz> with last message <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378231EB127@mail.callplus.co.nz> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Adrian Dick" , "'freestyle@footbag.org'" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Daryl Genz" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration Date: Wed, 23 Jun 99 18:58:27 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id BAA16768 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ---------- > Ok freestyle nerds, I need to hear about some ridiculously difficult combos > and tricks being hit out there... I need some inspiration ! I need to be > shocked ! > Umm... Ripwalk, Blur, Atom Smasher, Legbeater, Paradox Legbeater, Paradox Atomsmasher, some 3 ... Warning though, those paradox reverse mirage sets can be ***trouble*** for your back. I've been laying off them for about the last two months, for fear of (worse) pain. Genzu From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 07:09:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18024 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:09:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24972 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:48:24 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id zWQEa04818 (2619) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a34e1f9.24a2da0e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:47:10 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Nothing that impressive just long: Atom smasher, smear, pixie-butterfly, ripwalk, paradox syposium mirage, pixie-butterfly, ripwalk, ripwalk, blur, paradon, ripwalk, blur, legbeater, reverse whirling x-body rake, sympoium toe blur, toe set diving butterfly, ripwalk, symposium whirl, drop. Can't wait to get to Worlds :) Demon Damon From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 07:11:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18047 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:11:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27438 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:58:11 -0700 Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01861 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:06:37 -0500 Received: from darkstar ([216.106.37.1]) by mail.socket.net ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:35:20 -0600 From: Jeremiah Riely Reply-To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Fwd: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:40:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99062316403503.00189@darkstar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > barrage>osis>opp osis> opp osis > butterfly> double ATW you can't do a double ATW after a butterfly, it must be set from the toe. > temple stall>opp temple stal l>pendelum>atw I'm having a hard time picturing this one, it must look wacky, like a big leg over. >rake>chest stall>back stall > that's prob the best I could do, still workin on ripwalks..... :( > > Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 07:11:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18057 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:11:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27440 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:58:12 -0700 Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01869 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:06:38 -0500 Received: from darkstar ([216.106.37.1]) by mail.socket.net ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:34:24 -0600 From: Jeremiah Riely Reply-To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ripwalk//the string thing Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:34:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <19990623195931.39027.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99062316395102.00189@darkstar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, you wrote: > while watching a video of eric wulff doing a ripwalk, they cant be too hard > (taking in that i can do the butterfly delay and the clipper delay). So i > set off to work... ifound this trick a bit harder than she looks. See, the > problem comes right after, if, i get the dex coming out of my clipper. The > bag is never high enough to give me enough time to go into my butterfly :( I > tried setting the bag higher out of the clipper but i can never seem to get > my leg over the bag when i do this; it always hits me in the thigh. you have a lot of other stuff to learn before trying ripwalks. > > also, while i'm, yappin, I need some help/advice on how to hit strings. I > can usually get like a toe>clip>artw>opp toe>legover>...maybe butterfly. > This is on a VERY good day. normally i hit like > toe>clip>toe>PAUSE>artw>drop. As you can see i cant get very long strings, > and even when i do i have trouble keeping them fluent without pausing in > between tricks. practice practice. learn all your tricks on both sides and try to link them together smoothly. If you can't do long strings then your sets are probably weak. Concentrate on setting well after each trick. It just takes a lot of practice. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 16:47:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19735 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:47:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04237 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:51 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990624150049.IEMN9450.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:49 -0700 Message-ID: <377249B0.6181A134@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:07:28 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Butterfly References: <873d479b.24a24404@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Owen Parrish wrote: > > While on the topic of butterflys anyways, any tips. I can do it if I > drop the bag with my hand but I'm having problems setting it then > doing it. Where do you set from. The clipper catch isn't the problem > either so don't refer me to some clipper tutorial. It's all in the > dex. If you are trying to concentrate on the dex, that is your problem. The dex on a butterfly is TINY. Basically, a butterfly stall is a clipper stall where the bag goes between your legs. I learned by setting from my right toe. Then, I would bring the right leg up and kind of hop so that the hop would bring my leg over the bag. Then, when you land out of the hop, you catch it on a left foot clipper. There is no real dex in a butterfly... just a clipper stall. If you have been working your consecutive and alternating clippers, then you should try an infinity (butterfly set from op clipper). The best thing about linking infinities is that it works both sides equally. So, to recap, the dex of a butterfly does not involve a circling motion. Instead, you just hop over the bag and land in a clipper. That is a butterfly. Hope this helps... if not, I'll demonstrate at worlds for you. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 16:47:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19722 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:47:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from iuakk.fi (qmailr@lux2.iuakk.fi [194.89.13.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA30779 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:19:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 12447 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 10:19:01 -0000 Received: from x2-56k.ppp.37.iuakk.fi (HELO iuakk) (194.89.12.103) by lux2.iuakk.fi with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 10:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <003101bebe2a$fe822b00$0100000a@iuakk.fi> From: "Juha Linnanen" To: References: <19990623195931.39027.qmail@hotmail.com> <99062316395102.00189@darkstar> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ripwalk//the string thing Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:19:07 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > you have a lot of other stuff to learn before trying ripwalks. What about me then?-) I can hit blur but have hard time with ripwalk. I have hit clean ripwalk couple of times, but almost always it just don't work. I've been trying to analyze what I do wrong, but I didn't found anything special. I can do that set, but after that butterfly _stall_ fails too often. What do I think is that the set is not high enough and that's why I haven't enough time to really stall that bag. Somekind of help (I know .. practice practice practice :) ) would be appreciated. Thanks, Juha L. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 16:47:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19727 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:47:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04876 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:41:45 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990624154143.IPAD9450.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:41:43 -0700 Message-ID: <37725346.F95452CC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:48:22 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Smith CC: footbag Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspiration References: <000201bebda2$23448fc0$c6dd4fd1@left> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stuart Smith wrote: > > Try gyro mirage to anything atomic. Wow... a mention on this thread of something I can actually do. I've hit the gyro mirage to legbeater and tapping mirage, but nothing else - maybe today... You should also try merkon (spinning legover) to atomic stuff. Merkon > legbeater is a pretty cool one. > Here some of my best combo's > Inspining osis, torque, inspining osis, torque > and mobius, mobius(right in front of Kenny!) > and down doubble,stepping butterfly,blur,parkwalk,prdx doubblelegover > Do you have any tips for the inspin? It would be nice to hit either of those combos, but that first one is just hard to imagine. I suppose you are somehow still on balance after the inspinning osis? How does that work. Let me know. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 16:59:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19848 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:59:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05120 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:59:26 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990624155924.ITOW9450.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:59:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3772576B.8A89EDE1@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:06:03 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MaTt DiCk CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ripwalk//the string thing References: <19990623195931.39027.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org MaTt DiCk wrote: > > howdy doodie all, i hope everyone is havin a great summer, i know i am. > Anyways, I just recently started hitting clipper>opp clipper and noticed > while watching a video of eric wulff doing a ripwalk, they cant be too hard > Oh yeah... ripwlak IS harder than clipper > clipper. Much harder. If you think about it, a ripwalk with one less dex is either a drifter or an infinity. In other words, you should be able to hit these both sides before you try to put them together into a ripwalk. Practice with infinities - a lot of infinities. Go for 10 consecutive infinities. Once you can do that, you will have the rythym of a ripwalk. You must make butterfly an EASY move before you should attempt ripwalks. Once you get the components of ripwalk down, you need to work on your blur/stepping set. Concentrate on getting the first dex while the bag is still on its way up - and plant the dex foot quickly. I would try to have the bag directly in front of my waist with both feet on the ground. Try to visualize the bag coming up right between your knees. Once you get that set, you use your newfound inifinity skills to finish the move. But, you do need the infinities to start hitting ripwalk. Just like Lon said... don't overlook the 2s. You have to master the small components of a move before you can put them together into a bigger badder move. Hope this helps. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 18:06:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20182 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:06:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05509 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:18:24 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id zTSZa05986 (4467) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52d3962.24a3b3b1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:15:45 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Need some help To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys.you haven't heard from me yet that coz I'm new at freestyle. I've only been doind it for like 3 months. Right now I'm able to hit any 2-add move and some 3-add moves. There is only one that is giving me trouble and is holding me back from exceling any further...my clipper stalls. I can hit em sometimes but one thing that i notice from my clipper stalls compared to videos of the pros is that they stall it very close to the ground. I can't do this coz the closer to the ground I put my foot, the flat surface begins to...slant. I do try to bend my support leg "deeply" but sometimes it doesn't work. I know for one thing is that my ankles still need stretching and I strech em everyday. I was just wondering if any of yall could help me out with the clipper stall and give me some more advice to build my quickness and flexibilty to that i can start hitting more 3-add moves and beyond. Thanks in advance. -Mobius (Windsen Pan) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 24 23:28:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21746 for FBfreestyle-outgoing@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:28:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09803 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:34 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990624195531.LDDV9450.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: <37728EC1.77836202@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:02:09 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juha Linnanen CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ripwalk//the string thing References: <19990623195931.39027.qmail@hotmail.com> <99062316395102.00189@darkstar> <003101bebe2a$fe822b00$0100000a@iuakk.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Juha Linnanen wrote: > > > you have a lot of other stuff to learn before trying ripwalks. > > What about me then?-) I can hit blur but have hard time with ripwalk. I guess a blur is an example of something to learn before ripwalk... I too learned blur first, but when it comes to weak side, I say that ripwalk is much easier. > I've been trying to analyze what I do wrong, but I didn't found > anything special. I can do that set, but after that butterfly _stall_ fails > too often. Sounds to me like the butterf