From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 02:59:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21072 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:59:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19830 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:21:55 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zEEBa00252 (8047) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d166b21.24fda13f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:21:03 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Gimpy, Stimpy, blah blah To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Lately, there have been alot of posts about different kind of sets involving knee bumbs and stuff. I myself have hit something that no one else has mentioned and was wondering if this would be included. Since I'm not good with clippers yet, i do this knee bump thing from the toe. The bump occurs during a tradtional pixie leg-over. But after i right set and do the pixie, i do a knee bump with my left knee and do the leg over on the SAME side. I'm not sure sure if it would still be called a leg-over in this case. here's the jobs for it. toe>same in [dex] > op knee > op out[ dex]> toe[del] anyone heard of it? any help is appreciated. thanks, windsen From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 02:59:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21077 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:59:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23925 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:53:36 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA220 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:53:31 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sudden fever after kicking Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:53:36 -0700 Message-ID: <001101bef414$6cbcfa40$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt, you didn't drink nearly enough water and got dehydrated. It's as simple as that. The side effects are nasty... real bad. Don't drink gatorade.. don't drink soda.. none of that crap... WATER and lots of it while kicking, after kicking... all the time. anyone who is into aerobic sports need it all the time. Drink till ya gotta piss every 1/2 hour to hour. Eric Wulff From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 03:00:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21084 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:00:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f83.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.83]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19753 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:19:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 35024 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 1999 21:18:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990831211853.35023.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:18:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.62] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gimpy/Pigmy sets AND "STIMPY" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:18:51 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bob alluded to... > >does that make a pixie paradon a >smeariest? To which GF asked... > >Isn't this plasma ? I say... No, actually plasma is toe set blurriest. So, set from toe and instead of same leg doing first dex it is the opposite leg going in-out then double down(essentially a double down with a opposite leg in-out dex thrown into the set). Hmmm... fusion is out-in dex to double-down, right? Seems like anyone busting Neutron Smasher should be all over this... Lynton?? Later Ian D. MUFF Jams From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 16:19:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22094 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:19:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04558 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:24:15 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zNHJa05147 (3981) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:23:09 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gimpy, Stimpy, blah blah To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org With all this talk of knee stuff, one time, just once mind you, I hit toe>same in>same knee [del], knee around the world I guess About the water thing, I agree, one time when I was kicking for like 2 hours in 90 degrees I got dehydrated real bad. Headache, nausea, dizziness, the whole nine yards. A fever might have been included. I was even drinking water every like 15 minutes. Wasn't enough though. You have to drink a ton of water, not just a little. But while we are on this topic, this happened at a youth confrence so there were med tents all over the place. I went to one and he gave me orange juice surprising enough. He said that your body needs sugars and other things too. So I don't think you should drink OJ while kicking but if you do get dehydrated it might help. Lata. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 16:19:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22099 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:19:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vortex.more.net (vortex.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04840 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:56:58 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16857 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:56:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gimpy, Stimpy, blah blah Message-Id: <000000179923019038919@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:55:19 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Aug 31, 1999, 9:21:03 PM GMT Windsen Pan wrote: >toe>same in [dex] > op knee > op out[ dex]> toe[del] >anyone heard of it? any help is appreciated. A pixie gimpy around the world. Cool. ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 21:10:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22490 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:10:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08973 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:15:12 -0700 Received: from postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.91]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id LAA29562; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id LAA10610; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRptOgrCy2CzcPQ9lO0aLmndBr6SwIUHyc04iDYFYKm05K8Uh2pxwly7oQ= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:15:11 -0400 (EDT) To: ewulff@jsishipping.com (Eric Wulff) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sudden fever after kicking Message-ID: <14449-37CD6D2F-1215@postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Eric Wulff" 's message of Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:53:36 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yes Wulffee ! Carry a LARGE container of the cleanest water you can get ( I prefer distilled or Reverse osmosis ). Make sure you are hydrated BEFORE you start rippin' it up. It is too hard to catch up once you start drippng sweat. I also put Emergen-C in mine. It has electrolytes, vitamins, minerals. It can be found @ most health food stores, and comes in little foil packets. GF Smoothie From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 23:52:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22614 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:52:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19990901224503.16252.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.201] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:45:03 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: Ouch!!! To: freestyle@email.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > From: "Ryan Britt" > Subject: [freestyle] Ouch!! > > Hi everyone. I just wanted to ask if hurting > oneself is a pretty common > thing for beginning players. For the first year or two of playing, I injured myself all the time. For one thing, I bounced flatfootedly and even on my heels a lot- a painful habit. So I started taking Yoga and being more aware of a gentle walk- every step I took had my concentration until it became natural to walk silently. I of course applied this to shredding, and my ankles, shins, knees, hips, back, and neck have been thankful since. Also, when you are new to freestyle, it's natural to pull and overexert muscles; your blades ain't used to that freeky slicing. Eli From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 23:51:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22609 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:51:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12320 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:11:22 -0700 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:10:52 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378233185FF@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Sudden fever after kicking Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:10:52 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hmm, the New Zealand approach is to drink at least 2 litres of Mountain Dew while watching footbag videos until u are so hyped to shred it's nuts. Works well for hitting those impossibly quick moves, like Stomping Paradon Swirl, and Atomic Torque heh heh heh -----Original Message----- From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net [mailto:GFSmoothie@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, 2 September 1999 06:15 To: ewulff@jsishipping.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sudden fever after kicking Yes Wulffee ! Carry a LARGE container of the cleanest water you can get ( I prefer distilled or Reverse osmosis ). Make sure you are hydrated BEFORE you start rippin' it up. It is too hard to catch up once you start drippng sweat. I also put Emergen-C in mine. It has electrolytes, vitamins, minerals. It can be found @ most health food stores, and comes in little foil packets. GF Smoothie From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 1 23:56:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22644 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:56:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19990901230423.20923.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.201] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:04:23 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ouch!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:41:24 +0300 > From: "Juha Linnanen" > Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ouch!! > buttock hurt. I can't try legbeater more than > like 5 times in a row. After > that, my buttock says 'stop' :) Is it just that > it's not used to that kind > of quick motion and it goes away with time? Dude! STRETCH YOUR BUTTOCK; your ass can't make it any clearer than by saying, "stop". From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 2 18:44:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23816 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:44:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29191 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:13:03 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA13167; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:12:49 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101bef414$6cbcfa40$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:19:20 -0600 To: "Eric Wulff" , "'freestyle'" From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sudden fever after kicking Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At 5:53 PM -0700 8/31/99, Eric Wulff wrote: >Matt, you didn't drink nearly enough water and got dehydrated. It's as >simple as that. The side effects are nasty... real bad. Don't drink >gatorade.. don't drink soda.. none of that crap... WATER and lots of it >while kicking, after kicking... all the time. anyone who is into aerobic >sports need it all the time. Drink till ya gotta piss every 1/2 hour to >hour. Eric speaks real words of wisdom! Water is the key. I used to drink over a gallon a day, that keeps me running too much, so I cut down a bit. Like Nelson, I try for distilled water, but any bottled drinking water (I avoid tap water, but often that is the same as some bottled waters) is better than nothing. You lose a lot of water when you sweat, keep ahead of the game. I think Sam got dehydrated once and it put her in the hospital (correct me if i am wrong), and on special drinks to help her replentish her body... that is scary. Water: Zero fat-No calories-Can't live without it. Natures healthiest beverage. Take care of yourselves. See ya at Funtastik! Scott D. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 2 21:28:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24003 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:28:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:28:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f106.hotmail.com [216.32.181.106]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03220 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:41:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 79968 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 1999 18:40:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990902184051.79967.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.93.17.197 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:40:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.17.197] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:40:51 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The number of great shredders that did not compete in routines this year was suprisingly high. Also, the topic of a shred contest came up often. I hope I speak for a majority when I say that we should incorporate a shred contest into worlds as an actual prize money event. People who normally would have never competed did compete in the shred contest. It's also a definite crowd-pleaser. I know this topic has been brought up and debated about, but I just wanted to keep it fresh on everyones mind. So, please, debate about it, discuss it and ponder it. If this is going to happen in 2000, we need to start talking about it now. A representative on the IFAB committee needs to bring it up or propose it or whatever the hell they do in there. I think that this is the future of the sport. Brian Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 2 23:05:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24109 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:05:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com [24.2.68.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07012 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:56:52 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990902215643.TOGZ24656.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:56:43 -0700 Message-ID: <37CEF542.DEBE838@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:08:02 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Mckenzie CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:40:51 CDT References: <19990902184051.79967.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Mckenzie wrote: > > The number of great shredders that did not compete in routines this year was > suprisingly high. Also, the topic of a shred contest came up often. I hope > I speak for a majority when I say that we should incorporate a shred contest > into worlds as an actual prize money event. I agree. The shred contest is great. But, in a competition that is judged solely on difficulty, shouldn't we get a more accurate difficulty rating system? With the current freestyle competition, the inaccuracy of judging difficulty is lost in all of the other stuff - mainly presentation. But, when you get someone doing a lot of hard three add moves as opposed to someone doing a lot of easy four add moves, it shows up a lot more in the shred contest results. I'm picturing a symposium omlette (reverse miraging symp rev mirage) counting the same as a symposium butterfly. How can this be right in a 'shred' contest. I'm sure that the competitors will find a way to cheat any system that is put in place, but if the idea with this contest is to reward the person that 'shreds' the hardest, we need to judge difficulty on something other than adds. I do agree that the shred contest is the future of this sport. When most drops are eliminated and we can really tell who hits the harder stuff, then we'll have a great event. By this, I am in no way advocating the elimaination of the current freestyle competition. The whole part of making freestyle look good to the non-freestylers is important in the promotion of the sport. On a different subject, what would be the harm of having non-freestylers judge the presentation cards? That way, they wouldn't be biased by difficulty. I guess the main probem is that currently, linking is judged by presentation people, right? -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 3 20:30:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25253 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:30:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26040 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:05:29 -0700 Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (root@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28798 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Bradley Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA08314 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08310 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909031705.NAA08310@rac8.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey hey brian said the future is in shred for freestyle footbag. derric said we need a more accurate difficulty rating system ( i think ). there is a lot of strength in both of these statements. a more accurate difficulty rating system seems problematic. especially if the 'crowd pleasing' nature of the shred contest is what's valuable. i think the strength of the event this year was it ran fast and furious. a difficulty rating system, or any ranking system would slow it down. i'd like to suggest a contest that utilizes the common shred theme with DanK's Phat Trick system of judging. keep things quick and phat. l8r vince . From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 3 21:36:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25309 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:36:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from nccn2.nccn.net (IDENT:root@nccn2.nccn.net [209.79.220.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28945 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:56:40 -0700 Received: from left (tc2-183.nccn.net [209.79.221.183]) by nccn2.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*rGs* 99.07.16-) with SMTP id KAA13924 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01bef631$c08f4dc0$f3dd4fd1@left> From: "Lon Smith" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Naming Cool Moves Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:27:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There was some talk about Plasma. I think that is miraging paradon or toe set bluriest. Isn't pixie butterfly DIMWALK? I don't mean PARKWALK either I propose that pixie paradon should be called DIMMIEST And that stepping butterfly become SIDEWALK( this was actually Ethin Kline's Idea) I also think some real cool moves like stepping paradox mirage should have their own single word name like maybe COMET or something! Don't you all agree. Please tell me what names you like and what you think about the general idea of trying to get names for those awesome moves so that we don't have to say all the components like pixie faery leg over?????? I especially like sidewalk so start calling it that everyone. Thanks you all ShredOnLawn From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 00:02:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25451 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:02:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31096 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:35:33 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00217 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:37:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <005b01bef654$971e8c80$fe8dfea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:37:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Vince said: >i'd like to suggest a contest that utilizes the common shred theme >with DanK's Phat Trick system of judging. > >keep things quick and phat. Hear hear!!! Imagine an intense contest designed to show off pure shred skills where the judging is based on how impressed people are! It is so logical that it blows the mind! Please make it happen!!! dave From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 00:02:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25456 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:02:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31466 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:05:19 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA214 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:05:18 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:05:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001301bef658$6b0076a0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian wrote.. >Also, the topic of a shred contest came up often. I hope >I speak for a majority when I say that we should incorporate a shred contest >into worlds as an actual prize money event. People who normally would have >never competed did compete in the shred contest. It's also a definite >crowd-pleaser. I think an official shred contest at worlds is a good idea Brian. A definite crowd pleaser indeed! I hope you speak for a majority also. To be an actual prize money event though I think that the contestants need to be charged the full entry fee which has not been happening at shred contests in the past. People who normally don't compete often quote price as the issue in freestyle. However, considering the fact that this sport is basically broke anyone running an event is a complete volunteer. To show up at an event and enjoy all it has to offer but not entering because the price is to high seems a bit like crashing the party to me. I encourage any and all freestylers who regularly attend events to at least enter for fun and pay or contribute by judging as a courtesy to those running the event who are usually losing money and time doing so.. Anyway.. I'd love to see an official shred event at worlds. I'd love to see more freestylers competing in shred contests and routines. Derric said.. >But, in a competition that is judged solely on difficulty, shouldn't we get a >more accurate difficulty rating system? With the current freestyle >competition, the inaccuracy of judging difficulty is lost in all of the other stuff - >mainly presentation. I hear you Derric but I have yet to see anyone actually post a hard core example of when the adds diff rating system has failed us in competition. Analyze it move for move and you will definitely find exceptions. But overall I'd say it's about 90 to 95 % accurate. Also, the shred contests I participated and/or ran this year were not based solely on adds for the difficulty rating. The formula basically used nowadays is adds+(ratio X variety). Variety is a heavy factor in the final "difficulty" score. Derric also wrote.. > I'm picturing a symposium >omlette (reverse miraging symp rev mirage) counting the same as a >symposium butterfly. How can this be right in a 'shred' contest. I see your point hear and agree there are problems in some areas which many have debated over for a long time(i.e. atom smasher, toe blur.. etc.) I also think you picked on about the weakest 4 add trick on record... poor defenseless symposium butterfly can't defend itself with such a dull blade.. :) . I'm working on an update to the current adds system which, as I see it now, the omlette would be worth 5, atom smasher 4 and toe blur 4 while no moves lose adds as currently rated. But I'm not ready to open that can yet. hopefully in the next couple weeks I'll have somethin to through out to the lions. thanx.. eric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 00:02:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25446 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:02:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30983 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:26:47 -0700 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zRNBa14818 (4310) for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:25:58 EDT Subject: [freestyle] gimpy To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been tryin to add stomping and gimpy to my small repertoire of moves. So far I can hit gimpy butterfly, whirl, infinity, etc. has anyone hit a gimpy whirling swirl? and is there such thing as a stomping add? Matthew From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 00:50:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25546 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:50:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00896 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:00:52 -0700 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:44:52 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782334B493@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Lon Smith'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Naming Cool Moves Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:44:50 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Actually, I prefer the longer naming convention. There must be a lot of people out there who can work out what a Paradox Symposium Blur is, but have no idea what Voodoo is. Sure the single word name sounds better, but I got no idea what half of them mean.. Just my 2 cents worth... From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 02:32:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25636 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:32:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f93.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.93]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02165 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:26:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 46234 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 1999 01:26:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990904012615.46233.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:26:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] re: cool names, shred contest Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:26:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all. I agree with Brian that an official shred contest at worlds is a good idea. I do not, however, think it should be judged by the reaction of a crowd of people who don't know freestyle. Most people can't see the difference between a ripwalk and a blurriest, and even if they could, they'd still be more impressed with a pendulum. I think the current formula for judging shred is pretty good, except that certain moves are kinda hurt in the difficulty dept. To remedy this, there should be some other factor that modifies the equation, where "hein-ness" is taken into account, much like in a Phat tricks contest. I think Vince said something similar, but i don't want to wholly give up the current system, because as Eric pointed out, it does largely work. Lon suggested that more names get "cool" names. We shouldn't call stepping pdx mirage comet though, because it's already called blur. I think that moves should only get names when their technical description is too long or ambigous. for example, stepping butterfly is pretty short, so the name could stay that way. Stepping ducking paradox reverse mirage is too long to say all the time. That's why I call it Breeze, like the low cal version of a blizzard. Also, moves which can be interpreted in more than one way should get another name to get rid of confusion. Stepping osis is a good example. When i first heard of this move, i didn't know which foot performed an osis, but then Josh or Sunil came up with the "extra crispy" versus "original recipe" concept, so now stepping op side osis is a crispy torque. Good luck to everyone going to Harrisburg this weekend! Ken "ceiling fan" Somolinos NYFA From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 02:32:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25641 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:32:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02367 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:35:53 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zGYLa16296 (4237) for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93703c3c.2501d150@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:35:12 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Reverse To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's a reverse mirage? toe>op out>op toe? Owen "Total Package" Parrish P.S. Leave room next summer for a Pittsburgh/East Coast Shred. Maybe a tourny, but there's a lot of thought going into that. We'll see. It is happening though. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 02:32:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25631 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:32:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f38.hotmail.com [209.185.131.101]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01979 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:11:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 70052 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 1999 01:10:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990904011038.70051.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.43.147.215 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:10:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.43.147.215] From: "Lynton Stephens" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie/Atomic moves Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:10:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers- I guess pixie double mirage would be a smearage, just like a blurrage. Pixie diving mirage is also a nice smear variant, and much easier than a smearage. Ian said: >Hmmm... fusion is out-in dex to double-down, right? Seems like anyone >busting Neutron Smasher should be all over this... Lynton?? Oh yeah, if only fusion were that easy! Neutron smasher isn't *that* hard, I just starting hitting the odd weakside. My paradons aren't quite up to fusion - I'll leave it to SJ and the almighty Disco Ninja. Can't wait to see Brian's atomic blender too. On the topic of names, I'm surprised paradox symposium whirl and gyro double leg over don't have `tags'. Or do they? Time to go shred now, Lynton - MFC (Melbourne Footbag Club) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 4 13:48:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26240 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:48:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f238.hotmail.com [209.185.130.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12975 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:45:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 30899 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 1999 12:44:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990904124449.30898.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.255.56.140 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Sep 1999 05:44:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.255.56.140] From: "Zeke Ibardaloza" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: Matt Cross Subject: Re: [freestyle] gimpy Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:44:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Matt Cross >I've been tryin to add stomping and gimpy to my small repertoire of >moves >So far I can hit gimpy butterfly, whirl, infinity, etc. has >anyone hit a >gimpy whirling swirl? W'sup, I've just picked up blur/stepping sets and I love doing gimpy moves. I've hit gimpy eclipse, gimpy symposium mirage. I've seen the Enlightener hit gimpy ducking butterfly and gimpy symposium whirl. How about gimpy ducking symposium moves? Anyone? Later, ZEKE From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 5 01:44:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26806 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:44:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13695 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:00:12 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zHBDa06597 (4327) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <84db1c8d.25027fc4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:59:32 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] re: shred contest To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm throgholy impressed with the sport of footbag. In no other sport do the players have so much impact on competition. But I'm still gonna stick with...just shred. Quit worrying about comps. I personally think footbag is a sport which can't really be judged perfectly. It's one of those things like, skateboarding or BMX bike riding. It's more of an art form and self-expression, excuse the corniness. Besides, all the talk of add systems and what not is boring :-) There's my two cents. Owen "Total Package" Parrish Oh yeah, the Juice is breaking in quite nicely. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 5 04:52:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27334 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 04:52:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23202 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:01:01 -0700 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zKIDr6Gy5_ (4564) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16b89445.250328b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:00:20 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Why I'm so mad right now To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, today has easily been one of the most disappointing days of my life. of course, I'm only seventeen, so it's not catastrophic. but it's damn disappointing. Today, early afternoon, I was supposed to go to funtastik with my dad. I live roughly 6 car hours today. My dad owns a zoo with a water play area for little kids which has a pump that makes it all work. Today, said pump conked out and does not work. My dad said "Well, I can't take you, but maybe Mike (my best friend who also works at said zoo who wanted to take me in the first place but couldn't because he needed to work and make money) could take you, and I'll keep him on the payroll." I was grateful, what with my dad offering to do a great thing like that. I ask mike about it, and he gets really excited, so that's cool. then, my mom tells me she doesn't want an "inexperienced driver" driving on the holiday weekend so far from home, so there's my plans shot down time number 3 anyways, I'm mad as all hell at my mom. the day goes on, and my dad says "well, I think I can still take you tomorrow morning" in a little while so my hopes are up again, and I'm happy again. so I make plans to go play harmonica for a blues band in a bar. I'm ready to go out, and my dad says "well, if we're goin to PA, I'm takin you tonight, not tomorrow morning" so I"m kinda disappointed about the bar, but happy things are getting under way. I pack up my goods to take along on the adventure, come out of my room with them, and my dad tells me he can't take me. again. he found a pump for the water works, and he has to get it set up tomorrow morning, and he apologizes. I don't blame my dad, by the way. extenuating circumstances and whatnot. so my mom comes to discuss things with me, and what with everything that happened enflaming my temper, I get mad at her. I'm feelin like she ruined it for me at the moment, and I yell at her about not letting me go with a competent driver and someone she knows personally and trusts. so she waits for me to get done, looks me square in the face, and continues to add insult to injury by saying "well, I was going to take you, but I don't really feel like being in the car with you right now." And that's how my day went today, and that's why I'm so mad right now. bye all Matt From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 5 13:51:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27545 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:51:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from footbag (kh102u2hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [193.229.47.102]) by mail4.kolumbus.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA23577 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:32:41 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <018201bef778$8b582b20$432de5c1@footbag.pp.kolumbus.fi> Reply-To: "Finnish Footbag Association" From: "Justin Sexton" To: Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #729 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:27:47 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I'm sure that the competitors will find a way to cheat any system that >is put in place, but if the idea with this contest is to reward the >person that 'shreds' the hardest, we need to judge difficulty on >something other than adds. Why could not the shred contest be judged by ranking players without actually counting any difficulty factors. It would make it so much easier to have that event in a tournament too because it could be judged live and have instant results for spectators and players. It would also make the competitors try to show off for the judges rather than just linking as many adds as possible to get a high score. That way the competitors would try to hit the hard 3 add moves, gimps, inspins, and other difficult and cool stuff that gets ripped of by the currents system, because the judges would give credit to a competitor for hitting that kind of stuff. The spectators would like it too because they would get to see the biggest moves and strings trying to be hit. In my opinion before any new system is founded for measuring difficulty I think that is the only way to do it. That way there are no way to "cheat" either. I also think we should have a more official name for the event something like the Freestyle Skill Contest, because that is what it really is. I also think that the max time should be 1 minute so the players would have enough time to hit the big ones without rushing, and it would be half of the max time of the current presentation competition. Just some opinions of mine, Justin Sexton, Finnish Footbag Association From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 5 13:51:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27555 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:51:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26444 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:48:47 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA00278 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 01:50:34 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001801bef762$a65b2780$fe8dfea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Why I'm so mad right now Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:51:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt lamented: > today has easily been one of the most disappointing days of my life. of >course, I'm only seventeen, so it's not catastrophic. but it's damn >disappointing. Heh... as much as I found it funny that you posted such a long personal vent on a group meant for discussing freestyle, I do sympathize. I wanted to make the trip to Funtastik this weekend as well (it's only 10 hours away), but my buddy who lives in Germany had to come and visit this weekend and ruin it all. :) You shouldn't feel too bad. There are at least two good gatherings per year in the Harrisburg/Philly area, plus Washington can't be too painfully far from you. Just collect yourself, shred your anger away, and make your parental units sign in blood that they will transport you to the next event :)) Now to bring this back to the subject of freestyle... I just want to disappoint you some more by telling you that there is no stomping add. How can something add difficulty and not get an "add", you ask? Just because. You will, however, get style points from your fellow shredders for it, so it is worth something. Are any moves other than dlo done stomping style? I could imagine something like stomping spinning osis... dave From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:13:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29197 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:13:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com [24.2.68.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02849 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:05:25 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990905150509.EAAE23828.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:05:09 -0700 Message-ID: <37D28976.BE1A8445@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:17:10 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move names Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello list. I was wanting to clear up some confusion on move names. I know what the moves list says, but I have been told that parts of it are wrong. For example: I heard that an omlette is really a reverse miraging reverse mirage. If this is true, what is a scrambled omlette? Is it an atom smasher? Also, I'm guessing that an atomic IN legover is a scrambled eggbeater, right? And, what is a clipper set dbl legover if the second dex is IN? clip > op in > op in > same toe? Is a defraction the same as a x-body rake? One other thing... please... if you could, check out the freestyle moves list at http://www.footbag.org/movelist/ and let me know if you see anything that is wrong OR if you notice that a move isn't on there that needs to be added. Thanks. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:13:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29202 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:13:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03207 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:34:24 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zPHI03G9at (4012) for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <741a0c3c.2503e756@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:33:42 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] re: shred contest To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up shredders: While watching an X-today skateboard special on ESPN I heard words of wisdom come out of the mouth of a pro skater that translates well into the world of shred. He said that there are many competitors with unique styles and various tricks. He goes on to say that the difficulty of the tricks performed by foreign competitors versus US competitors is the same. Although the US skaters perform more technical tricks. The point I'm getting at is that difficulty has already been established in footbag with the invention of the add system. Although not perfect, it is the best system we have. I think the focus of disscussion should shift from difficulty to technicality. Example Symposium mirage versus atom smasher. Both are worth 3 adds of difficulty, but atom smasher requires a more technical stance, set, and frame of timing than does a symposium mirage. With that said, I purpose that an additional card or ratio be placed in the judging of shred contests. One that mathematically(as difficult as it sounds) awards those whose tricks are more technical, just as they are already rewarded for uniqueness and difficulty. I was present this year at Worlds and sat right next to the judges as they watched the shred contest on tape. The whole contest took about 30 minutes to judge, I don't think it will ever get any shorter than this as long as the sport keeps growing. As for phat trick contests, I agree that there should be a contest based on shorter strings to produce large tricks, however, I think it should an additional contest like Iron Man or consecutives. And YES,(I'm agreeing with Wulff) that the full fee should be paid for entering any events. I personally wanted to pay the fee, but I did not want to enter the freestyle contest because I am not a showman freestyler. I am a freestyle shredder, I need a forum too. I would love to participate at Worlds, but only in an event that showcases my talent, Shredding. Words from the bottom wrung of the ladder, D-man From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:14:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29217 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:14:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03820 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:17:16 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zNLDa06597 (3929) for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d39f9ed.2503f163@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:16:35 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Pixi Butterfly and Whatnot To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright, two questions... 1) is toe>same in>same out>op clip pixi butterfly? I think I just hit it, I think. I did the in dex, and then the out dex, but the first in dex wasn't all the way around the bag, it was like 3/4 around and then I came back for the out dex. 2) Does that still count as two dexes? Have fun at Funtastik. Maybe my parents will let me come next year. Live Fast. oh yeah. I already see some threads on my new Juice, I got it Friday, is that bad? Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:14:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29227 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:14:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f184.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.184]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05353 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:19:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 53462 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 1999 18:18:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990905181852.53461.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.132.70.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:18:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [130.132.70.142] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: reiddm@magma.ca, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Why I'm so mad right now Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:18:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers. Dave Reid asked: >Are any moves other than dlo done stomping style? I could imagine >something >like stomping spinning osis... I believe double helix is meant to be done stomping style. Also, the way inspins were explained to me, it did sound an awful lot like: clipper set, plant both feet, jump into the set with both feet together, come out of it with one dex leg flying. Still, i don't know if I'd give it credit for stomping. Oh, and was the stomping thread introduced right after the angry thread as a way of venting anger? Cause sometimes shred can be a good way to let off steam, and stomping is a fun way to do that. See ya, Ken CF Somolinos nyfa ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:14:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29237 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:14:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:48:42 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782334B496@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Finnish Footbag Association'" , freestyle@email.footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #729 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:48:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I totally agree with the 1 minute shred idea. All too many times have I seen people gasping for air at the end, barely able to hit inside kicks...(hell, I see it every time I watch one of my routines) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:14:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29247 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:14:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07699 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:55:14 -0700 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:54:40 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782334B497@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Dave Reid'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Why I'm so mad right now Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:54:37 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There is actually quite a range of stomping moves... The ones I know of are: Stomping Double Leg Over Stomping Paradon Stomping Eggbeater Stomping Paradox Torque Stomping Paradon Swirl Stomping Flux Double Stomping Double Leg over Stomping Paradox Drifter Then a plethora of stomping ducking and stomping 3 add moves... From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:14:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29257 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:14:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31219 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:38:05 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zSKUa23990 (3928) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:37:21 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Novice To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone knows anything about novice categorys at tournys. What does novice fall under? What's the level of play? I understand that being able to link like 8 2 or 3 add tricks is about the "novice" level. Can anyone clear this up? Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 03:14:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29267 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:14:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.bc.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03266 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:20:03 -0700 Received: from cs38202a ([24.66.163.220]) by lh2.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990907021955.ZEXW789.lh2.rdc1.bc.home.com@cs38202a> for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:19:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bef8d7$10f98e40$dca34218@gvdt1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: Subject: [freestyle] props Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org uzzup? I was checkin' out some clips of 99' worlds on www.dallasfootbag.org and I gotta say Brian McKenzie...... DAMN! Brian, where ever you are man, that's tha shit! Allan Haggett From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 20:44:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30383 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:44:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05023 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:40:23 -0700 Received: from dhcp31189203.columbus.rr.com (HELO alaska) (24.31.189.203) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 20:44:07 -0700 Message-ID: <009c01bef8e2$a3058d60$cbbd1f18@columbus.rr.com> From: "Vern DeHaven" To: References: <741a0c3c.2503e756@aol.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:39:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > He said that there are many competitors with unique styles and various > tricks. He goes on to say that the difficulty of the tricks performed by > foreign competitors versus US competitors is the same. Although the US > skaters perform more technical tricks. The point I'm getting at is that > difficulty has already been established in footbag with the invention of the > add system. Although not perfect, it is the best system we have. People used to think the 180-day school year system worked pretty well too. Kids could get out of school in order to help their families on the farms. This worked out for a society centered around agriculture. As is obvious by taking a look at many first-world Asian countries, the system they use is now kicking our ass. American high school seniors think Calculus is pretty hard. Japanese students of the same age think they had a rough time with calculus four years prior. Throw away the obsolete while it's still possible. This sport has to stay malleable in order to grow. Vern nreV DeHaven - Me love footbag. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 20:44:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30388 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:44:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04797 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:32:45 -0700 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16350; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:32:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:32:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Owen Parrish cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixi Butterfly and Whatnot In-Reply-To: <1d39f9ed.2503f163@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Alright, two questions... > 1) is toe>same in>same out>op clip pixi butterfly? I think I just hit it, I It is a pixie same side butterfly, or parkwalk > think. I did the in dex, and then the out dex, but the first in dex wasn't > all the way around the bag, it was like 3/4 around and then I came back for > the out dex. > 2) Does that still count as two dexes? To make sure it is clean, plant after the pixie set, then do the butterfly. Later From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 7 20:44:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30393 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:44:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04526 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:11:00 -0700 Received: from Problems1@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zRFYa01989 (4565) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:10:20 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Novice To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Total Package (what the hell does THAT mean?!?) I just competed in a novice event at funtastik, what you said about linking a bunch of 2s and 3s is about right. and listen carefully to what I say now: PACE YOURSELF. I did good on the prelims, but I tried way too hard and didn't pace myself in finals, and I had a lot of drops :( my adds were better than everyone else's, and I had good presentation, but I dropped ALOT. So, Total Package (heheheheh.... "package"...) good luck Matt From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:47:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01066 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:47:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA26158 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:16:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 47521 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 1999 23:15:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990907231547.47520.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.166.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:15:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.166.80] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:15:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Vince wrote: << i think the strength of the event this year was it ran fast and furious.a difficulty rating system, or any ranking system would slow it down. i'd like to suggest a contest that utilizes the common shred theme with DanK's Phat Trick system of judging. >> Just to clarify, the system calls for the ranking of moves/combos from most hein (hein=heinous=good) to least. No ADDS. Then Justin replied with: << Why could not the shred contest be judged by ranking players without actually counting any difficulty factors. It would make it so much easier to have that event in a tournament too because it could be judged live and have instant results for spectators and players. It would also make the competitors try to show off for the judges rather than just linking as many adds as possible to get a high score. That way the competitors would try to hit the hard 3 add moves, gimps, inspins, and other difficult and cool stuff that gets ripped of by the currents system, because the judges would give credit to a competitor for hitting that kind of stuff. The spectators would like it too because they would get to see the biggest moves and strings trying to be hit. >> I agree 100%. Good points. I usually harp on the fact that ADDS don't necessarily reflect difficulty, but that's not the real problem as it relates to competition because the ADD system could theoretically be fixed. And that would have tremendous value to other areas of the sport, but even a fixed ADD system is not built for competition. If shred, or any other footbag competition, is to reach the next level, we need to make it more streamlined. 30 minutes for results is too long. Frankly, 15 or even 5 minutes is too long. We need to be nimble. Just this last weekend in Harrisburg there was a shred contest. It attracted a nice crowd of non-footbaggers, but how many of them were actually there to hear the results? Not many if any. As far as they're concerned, there never was a competition at all, just a bunch of guys juggling sacks of beads. So in conclusion, I am for any improvements to the ADD system. Just please don't weigh down the sport by incorporating them into competition, especially shred. As far as shred at Worlds I am totally in favor. However, to help reach that end, we need more shred contests at tournaments. So if you're going to a tournament that doesn't have a shred contest, ask the tournament director to hold one. If the director needs help running it, run it yourself. Don't worry about the rules, simple ranking would suffice. If a good track record is built for the event, it will make it that much easier to get the support needed to make it an official Worlds event. I, for one, will be offering 2 shred proposals to the IFC next year - a 45 second shred, and a phat combo event. Any input would be most appreciated. Thanks. DanKs From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:47:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01042 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:47:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29570 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:55:12 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zCDWUWZ_b_ (4509) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57982db8.25071b84@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:53:08 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Total Package To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In answer to the, what does Total Package mean? I thought I'd answer even though this list is for discussing freestyle. Oooo, rebellion, I feed on it. Anyways, the nickname started when some friends and I who all played Volleyball started the BP (Bethel Park, where I live) Wolfpack, like the WCW one. If you watch pro wrestling. I choose to be the Total Package Lex Luger. Then, iin the spring when I was the lead singer in a band, when we introduced our selves, we all had nicknames. The Actual Total Package as my name is ironic, cause I'm about the skinniest kid you'll ever meet. But anyways, the anme stuck, people call me it, and I figured, everybody it seems in Footbag has a nickname, disco nija, torch, rippin', Teva, Red, etc. Just thought it would be cool to have one too. So that's the story. Over and Out. Live Fast and Keep It Real, Owen "TOTAL PACKAGE" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:47:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01057 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:47:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24261 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:38:52 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zCVPa09400 (4158) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <314cc743.2506dfd6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:38:30 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to Derric's question about if there were any moves not on the list, I would like to add my input. I'm a beginner and have noticed that some names aren't on the list but there is prob an explanation for it. Take for example Superfly. I've seen the name being used in the videos from footbag.org but have never seen it under the movelist. I'm assuming its just another name for a symp. barfly(i think i'm wrong on that). A lot of cases like this have come to my attention. Names that are given to combination moves like pixie butterfly(i've heard it being called a dimwalk) are only listed under pixie butterfly and do not have the "nicknames" listed. Well thats just what i think. Hope this helps. Windsen From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:47:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01098 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:47:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com [24.2.68.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29832 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:13:42 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990908021317.VCNB23828.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <37D5C92B.4F11BB8D@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:25:47 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds References: <199909031705.NAA08310@rac8.wam.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Vince and others! Vince said: > a more accurate difficulty rating system seems problematic. > especially if the 'crowd pleasing' nature of the shred contest is > what's valuable. What are we going for with the shred contest? I thought it was a way to just judge shred. The crowd pleasing portion of freestyle is already covered with the current competition format (lots of points in presentation). > i think the strength of the event this year was it ran fast and furious. > a difficulty rating system, or any ranking system would slow it down. Negatory good buddy. The reason it ran so fast is because it was videotaped for later review. I wasn't present at the actual judging, but from my understanding, you just go through the tape and assign adds and variety. Since the contest is already video reviewed, why not use something more accurate than adds to assign difficulty. > i'd like to suggest a contest that utilizes the common shred theme > with DanK's Phat Trick system of judging. What is this system? I guess my main question is this: With the shred contest, are we pleasing a crowd of ignorant spectators, or are we going for a crowd of freestylers? If we are going for the showy stuff, pendulum to forehead stall would rate higher than atom smasher > atom smasher. My opinion is to save the showmanship for your 2 minute routine and go all out on the shred for the 45 second contest. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:47:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01109 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:47:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29730 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:04:33 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA144 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:04:31 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] tailconwhip Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:04:34 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bef99e$803ec960$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In the tradition of the scorpion tail... -spinning double leg over(not paradox or.. 'gyro' as some may call it).. :) "Whale Tail" -in-spinning mercon.. (how do you spell that?) anyway.. "Icon" just some thoughts on today's session with Torch and Huge.. :):) imon(eric wulff) Oh yeah.. in-spinning scorpion tail... "Bullwhip" From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:47:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01122 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:47:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01028 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:37:56 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA231 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:37:52 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Pixi Butterfly and Whatnot & seein threads Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:37:56 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01bef9c4$b03f5780$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >oh yeah. I already see some threads on my new Juice, I got it Friday, is that >bad? >Owen "Total Package" Parrish generally not bad Owen. I've kicked many a juicy juice long after the threads were showing and they were totally hein bags the whole time. As far as I can tell it is the result of a design decision which, in some people's opinion, may not be cosmetic but the bags are true to the blade. eric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:48:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01136 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:48:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from nccn2.nccn.net (IDENT:root@nccn2.nccn.net [209.79.220.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11875 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:23:22 -0700 Received: from left (tc2-140.nccn.net [209.79.221.140]) by nccn2.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*rGs* 99.07.16-) with SMTP id JAA11098 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000501befa16$32ca5d20$8cdd4fd1@left> From: "Lon Smith" To: "footbag" Subject: [freestyle] props Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:43:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yes I agree with Allan Hagget. Brian MkKenzie is the bestest hacker out there. He SPINS so much. ShredOn Brian LON From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:48:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01142 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:48:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03384 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:41:04 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FHQ00I01G4064@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 02:40:48 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] my half cent and proposal about adds To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I don't want to ruffle any feathers and I usually stay out of the whole add discussion, but I have a thought or two that everyone can read or ignore or maybe fit into your developing an improved system, or not. I haven't thought it all the way through so try not to get in a huff. Okay, I think the add system is imperfect as does everyone else I'm sure, however I don't think it needs to be thrown out, just added to. So how about 1/2 adds (which I know have been suggested before). This may mean reevaluting the add difficulty of certain tricks, but it might help to separate those tricks that are slightly harder than some but not quite as hard as others. Again I haven't thought this all the way through and some of this is on the fly so don't get personal. Atom Smasher, now worth 3 adds. Toe Blur, now worth 3 adds. Each is always under constant debate because they have some Paradox-like quality or difficulty but they don't set from clipper. Yet should they really be worth a whole other add when Paradox Atom Smasher is currently worth 4. Here enters a new category "Enigma" which is worth .5 add. This will apply itself to the Atomic sets. Another category "Quark" will apply itself to toe blurry sets and get a full add. Now that's fine for the toe sets (Atom Smasher gets 3.5 and Toe Blur gets 4), but how does it apply to, lets say, Paradox Blur? I don't know! Like I said it's not totally thunk out, but if you like the idea you can help with properly defining the Enigma and Quark categories. Another thing. Ever done a back side symposium Atom Smasher and a front side symposium Atom Smasher. The front side is a bit more difficult (oops maybe that's subjective). Anyhoo, back side symposium sets should only get a .5 add and front side symposiums get a full add. Now here's a crucial juncture because you have a Toe Blur being worth the same as a back side symposium Toe Blur and I think most feel the symposium is easier than the regular, same with pdx Blur versus Voodoo. So now what? Well how about this, the Quark is cancelled out if the first dex is not completed with a plant. So back side is worth 3.5, regular 4, and front side 4.5. The back side symposium set only being worth .5 can also be applied to symposium infinities, which in my humble opinion ain't 4 adds. Now 3.5. And lately I've been hitting back side symposium legbeater. Again it ain't worth 5 in my book. Now 4.5. One more thing. Unusual dexterities! Not in the sense that they are actually dexterities as we know them, but this actually applies to Dragons, Frigidosi, and Anchors. All of these I think deserve .5 adds in a two-fold manner, one for the delay, one for the inevitable set to follow. It's important to distinguish the two because they are totally different in difficulties. Catching a Butterfly Dragon, not quite worthy of 4 but definitely 3.5. Now set it to torque and what do you think, 4, 4.5, or 5. I think 4.5 is good, unless you catch it again in a dragon in which case you get 5. Anyway, I'm sure this rambling will piss off somebody since it's not fully developed, but I'm working on it and it's food for someones thought. TO INFINITY AND BEYOND, Brad From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 21:50:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01187 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:50:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11765 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:41:08 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zIFUa02406 (4233) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:40:11 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Simple Paradox Question :-) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright, time for a simple paradox question (good oxymoron). In paradox mirage, after the set, if you plant the dex foot does it still count as paradox? Sorry if I bother you guys by posting so much. Live Fast, Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 22:05:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01394 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:05:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01391 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:05:18 -0700 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12641 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:16:35 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03865 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:16:30 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Simple Paradox Question :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:40 PM -0400 9/9/99, Owen Parrish wrote: >Alright, time for a simple paradox question (good oxymoron). In paradox >mirage, after the set, if you plant the dex foot does it still count as >paradox? Sorry if I bother you guys by posting so much. Plants don't change the difficulty of a move in the current system, nor the add category breakdown, except in the case of symposium moves. So, yes, it's still paradox. But it's a waste of time and you should avoid putting your foot down -- you just make it harder. Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 9 22:25:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01535 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:25:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f210.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.210]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13107 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:35:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 31328 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 1999 21:35:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990909213505.31327.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:35:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] my half cent and proposal about adds Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:35:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers, Brad recently suggested using "half-adds" as a means of improving the add system's ability to rate difficulty. What struck me while I was reading the post, was how subjective it was. Don't worry Brad, I'm not getting in a huff here. I just thought it interesting that you feel toe blur should be worth more than atom smasher. One thing Scott Davidson once said that I agreed with, is that difficulty is subjective. I find toe blur and atom smasher to be roughly equal in difficulty. Scott says he finds blur and blizzard to be roughly equal in difficulty. Difficulty really is subjective, as it depends on how flexible you are, what you have schooled, what you have neglected to skool, and the taboo of how hard the move is "supposed" to be. Sludge is 2 adds, but I can name some fives i can hit more easily (disclaimer, i've never hit sludge). Ryan Mulroney once pointed out that when you are shredding in a circle, people "know" what moves are difficult. I say that it is impossible to quantify the difficulty of moves, and that we shouldn't even bother. Push yourself, and look good doing it. Ken CF Somolinos nyfa PS- When Brad started talking about moves beginning and/or ending in dragons getting more adds, i couldn't help but think that adoption of a system of this sort would allow Jon Schneider to really whup some ass in a shred contest. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 03:40:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01968 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:40:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23279 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:13 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00382 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:37:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <004301befb35$9bc48a60$0101010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >I guess my main question is this: With the shred contest, are we >pleasing a crowd of ignorant spectators, or are we going for a crowd of >freestylers? Well, if nobody else is going to defend the "ignorant" spectators, then I will. The innocent spectators have taken more than their fair share of bashing around here. I am sure that there are many footbaggers who don't care about the popularity of the sport, and that is fine. On the other hand, there are those who realize that if more people take an interest in the sport, there will be more people to shred with, more people to compete with, more competitions and dare I say, more money. Pleasing the crowds does not mean, as people keep saying, dumbing down the sport. It is more important to educate the crowd. People who walk up to a competition to see what it is all about WANT to understand what is so impressive. I dragged a group of about 9 people with me to Montreal for the 98 Worlds. It was our first time seeing any freestyle other than the videos on footbag.org. Before the actual competition, some of us had the fortune of meeting a very friendly and skilled Aaron deGlanville, and he gave us a mini-course on freestyle. We then watched the semis and the finals of freestyle. I had to battle with some people in our group, because after two hours of watching... routine... long break... routine... long break... and having no idea who was really doing the best, they were demanding that we leave. Highlight of the trip for those who met him, Aaron. For those who didn't, it was the rollercoaster. (well, the routines by Sam and Carol got pretty high praise) My point is that I had a group of people who WANTED to understand what was so cool about footbag, and they mostly went away empty handed. (at least I got video :) Immediate scoring is a good way to give fans some education on what makes a good shred. Demonstrations would be another good way. Show the fans how hard the moves really are. They look so damn easy when you see the routines that you start to wonder if those are magic shoes. Anyway, I seem to be in blabber mode. I just wanted to express some views from the fan perspective. Skool the fans, shred at max difficulty, do routines at max style, love the sport. dave From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 04:19:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02295 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:19:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27717 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:24:17 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990910032032.KENK5655.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <37D87BFF.8A4FAC3B@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:33:19 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Official names of moves (vol. 1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Back to the subject of updating that moves list... Ok. I will update the list however the most vocal majority wants it updated. I've been getting suggestions on move names, and I want to run some of them by the entire community before posting them as the "official" names on footbag.org. Here we go: dimwalk - pixie op butterfly - toe > same in [dex] > op out [dex] > op clip [xbdy][del] royale - pdx reverse drifter - clip > same out [dex][pdx] > same clip [xbdy][del] leg eater - clipper set miraging in legover - clip > op in [dex] > op in [dex] > same toe [del] What would this be if set from toe? - toe > op in [dex] > op in [dex] > same toe [del] egg mixer - pixie in legover - toe > same in [dex] > op in [dex] > same toe [del] whale tail - spinning double legover - clip > spin (back) [bod] > op in [dex] > op out [dex] > same toe [del] icon - inspinning merkon - clip > spin (front) [bod] > same in/out [dex] same toe [del] bullwhip - inspinning scorpion tail - clip > spin (front) [bod] > same out [dex] > same out [dex] > op clip [xbdy][del] And, I've been wondering if any of these moves have "street" names. If so, let me know. pixie same dragon - ? fairy same dragon - ? pdx atom smasher - ? pdx flux - ? pdx legbeater - ? fairy same clipper - ? pixie same clipper - ? pixie op clipper -? fairy xbdy rake - ? pixie xbdy rake - ? atomic xbdy rake - ? atomic gyro reverse whirl (Brad, you owe me a name for this) - ? If you have read this far, please take the time to let me know how you feel about each of the names listed above. If you would like to suggest names for any of the moves, please do. I will post any suggested names to the list for the same type of voting that I have done above. Your input does matter. Help me out here. Thanks. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 19:41:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03206 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:41:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11583 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:30:14 -0700 Received: from rac7.wam.umd.edu (root@rac7.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.147]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10905 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:30:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Bradley Received: from rac7.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac7.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22030 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac7.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22026 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909101829.OAA22026@rac7.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] shred and difficulty rankings Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i'll keep this one short. why do you need a difficulty system to rank a shred contest? why do you need video verification? the actual judging of the shred contest took a long time. even so the strong point of the event was it ran fast. and i'm pretty sure the winner was known before the adds were counted anyway. in the second year of shred contests, the East Coast Championships held the event ( this was 1995, the first UM East Coast ), and the premise for ranking was the longest string of as many unique moves as possible. it was obvious who won without video verification. tuan had a 32 contact string with minimal or no repetitions. the notion that an accurate add system needs to be developed for accurate judging of anything is bogus. knowedgable judges won't need numbers. and if they are really keenly attentive, they won't need video verification. twisting what i said earlier into the idea that i wanted shred to be a matter of presentation was quite a big leap. DanK is the man. l8r vince From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 20:47:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03330 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:47:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12395 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:47:47 -0700 Received: from ants.excite.com ([199.172.152.146]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990910194714.ESCX2517.gigi@ants.excite.com> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:47:14 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] the link add Message-Id: <936992836.26846.629@excite.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:47:16 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.141 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org um hi.... been reading all of the posts regarding the adds system and how to improve it. familiar discussion here in victoria that is sometimes rather heated.... one thing that keeps coming up is how 'the set doesn't count'. now i know this is commonly refered to as the paradox issue, and that it is to a certain extent. *disclaimer!* now this isn't even a proposal, just an idea that i thought i'd put out there. tear it apart if you will...... i recognize that this would not be in the best interest of time at a competition, may not be especially good for routines(maybe good for shred-comp.?), and puts increasing onus on technicality, but it might be something, even though i've never put it into practical use .... to the point: there is currently an 'adds/contacts' ratio being used to determine technical difficulty. however (with my *very* limited competition experience) it would seem that something is left out of the equation. not necessarily only in the counting of adds for individual moves, but in the overall sense. for example(i'll use this pertaining to shred-comp.): say player A goes out and does 45 secs and gets X adds. they achieve this add count by doing(among other things of course)6, 5 add moves, spread throughout the string. Player B goes out and gets the same amount of adds, but has an 'explosion' of 4, 5add moves *linked* in the middle of the run. Same adds, but something tells me that player B shredded a little harder to link those 4, 5's. now, granted, judges are competent enough to make a decision based on who, in their opinion, was better. for sake of argument, and possibly just for accuracy, what if their were a value placed in the space between moves based on what preceeded and follows. for example: player A does 6, 5add moves in their string but they are spaced out and not linked together... each 5 is followed by something of lower add value. player B has 4, 5add'rs *linked*.... player B would be awarded an extra add for each 5add that was *linked* to another of equal or greater add value. 1add awarded for a link to same add value, with 1 'additional' add awarded for each linked move that exceeds the previous in value..... so player B would break down: 5+1+5+1+5+1+5 for a total of 23 adds for *linked* moves.... in the interest of maintaining *some* implementablibilty[is that even a word? :0)] i would only use this system as it applies to moves 4adds and above. one more example: player C goes out and begins a string with a 4,4,5,6,4,5,5..... the add breakdown would be : 4+1+4+2+5+2+6+4+2+5+1+5 for a total of 41 adds instead of 33. ok, ok.... this is complicated, time consuming(probably only useable in video verification) and maybe even unnecessary...... granted.... i've been reading a lot of really long posts recently and wanted in on the game:) tell me how 'waaay off base' i am! Allan K. Haggett Victoria, BC PS i also know that it would *really* help if i actually went to and competed in competitions d:O From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 20:50:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03344 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:50:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vivid.Vivid.com (vivid.vivid.com [207.105.222.252]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12528 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:54:20 -0700 Received: from vivid.com (gwvivid2.platinum.com [207.105.222.53]) by vivid.Vivid.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03644 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D96228.A9808014@vivid.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:03:21 -0700 From: Ethan Klein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] torch on fire Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Shred Fans! just a quick little ditty to say that Torch (the Gehrmanator) Gehrman was realizing some seriously inspired (and inspiring) shred last night in the dark back alleys of the Inner Sunset. Shooting butterfly into blurry blender! yes, six to six. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. He was just ON his SHIT during this one particular energized 40 minute stint before the sun went down. My jaw was tattered and sore from dropping repeatedly to the ground whenever he got the friggin bag. He just GOES for shit, he doesn't fuck around with extension or "working his endurance." He just goes for the biggest, meanest shiat he (or Sunil or me or Tu) can think of. His movements flow out with such a combination of athleticism, power and grace that I'm often stunned. He simply wields it. Anyway, just wanted to send out some Ahren props because he's one of my fave shredders to watch... and to jam with :) Peace - Ethan ps - Sunil, as always, is likewise RIPPING SHIT UP! busting down barriers with mcneuvers like barraging paradox reverse mirage (fission?) and triage and pixie eggbeater and atomic eggbeater (last night?)Geez... pss - i rarely post the stuff I've been hitting (mostly because it's so comparitivle SCHWAGGY ) but last night was my first sesh after a bitchy arch injury and I hit some cool stuff like drifter into torque in the middle of a 15 move combo and also ripwalk into barrage into butterfly into the other ripwalk into barrage. pretty fun! -- |!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!| Ethan Louis Klein vivid studios ethan@vivid.com From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 23:25:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03459 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:25:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15384 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:25:56 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA203 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:25:52 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:25:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000601befbdb$7374da00$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dank.. >And that would have tremendous value to >other areas of the sport, but even a fixed ADD system is not built for >competition. Actually, that's exactly what it's built for. >If shred, or any other footbag competition, is to reach the >next level, we need to make it more streamlined. 30 minutes for results is >too long. YES! YES! Way too long.. I agree... but this too can be fixed... 1 man calling out adds... 4,3,3,4,5 1 woman adding them on a clerk's type calculator as it happens 1 person writing them down 2 folks counting variety when a shred is done the add count is calculated... the ratio and variety are only 20 seconds away... an unofficial score can be posted very quickly. Official varieties can be verified after competition finishes by video. This too can be streamlined further with practice. >So in conclusion, I am for any improvements to the ADD system. Just please >don't weigh down the sport by incorporating them into competition, >especially shred. No other reason for it. If not in competition there is no good reason to have a difficulty rating system?? eric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 23:34:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03524 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:34:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (sunilj@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15859 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:43:16 -0700 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SAS.05) id SAA23359; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199909102243.SAA23359@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds To: ewulff@jsishipping.com (Eric Wulff) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <000601befbdb$7374da00$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> from "Eric Wulff" at Sep 10, 1999 03:25:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sayeth the Ironman... > No other reason for it. If not in competition there is no good reason to > have a difficulty rating system?? You said it bruthah. In circles, everyone knows what is awesome and what is not. This definitely goes by individual talents and heinness. We do not need a difficulty rating for plain old freestyle... we ONLY need it for competition. Time to shah-red. -Sunil From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 10 23:41:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03571 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:41:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15972 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:49:30 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oCDCa00254 (3985); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1545f65f.250ae43e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:46:22 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] the link add To: soleairpro@excite.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I like the idea of link adds, they solve the problem of difficulty in combos, although not all 4's 5's and 6's are created equal. For example player A: Symposium butterfly, reverse blender, paradox whirl, symposium butterfly. 4+1+4+1+4+1+4=19 adds 4 dexs total, 1 paradox, 2 symposiums, 1 blind, 4 x-bodys, and 4 delays player B: Atom smasher, fairy whirl, paradox atom smasher, legbeater. 3+4+1+4+1+4=17 adds 8 dexs, 1 paradox, 2 x-bodys, 4 delays, Which run was really more difficult? Just something to think about:) Later D-Man From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 11 00:09:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03608 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:09:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16386 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:12:00 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA00378 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:13:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <004a01befbe2$41f7eba0$0101010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:14:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >> No other reason for it. If not in competition there is no good reason to >> have a difficulty rating system?? > >You said it bruthah. In circles, everyone knows what is awesome and what >is not. This definitely goes by individual talents and heinness. We do >not need a difficulty rating for plain old freestyle... we ONLY need it >for competition. Time to shah-red. Can someone pleeeeeez explain why there HAS TO BE a difference between competition and shred circles? Why is it that everyone knows who is best in a circle, but when it comes to putting people on stage, the best routine can't possibly be figured out without a calculator? dave "this list is made for talkin' and that's just what I'll do" reid :) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 11 00:36:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03657 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:36:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16909 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:41:02 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zBONa20496 (4257) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:40:22 EDT Subject: [freestyle] tevas To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org how DO you modify tevas for freestyle...I've heard about it but no one's actually said how. thanks windsen From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 11 03:06:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03826 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:06:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18525 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:30:58 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990911013029.YQUT5655.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:30:29 -0700 Message-ID: <37D9B39E.A97A07EF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:42:54 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds References: <004301befb35$9bc48a60$0101010a@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Reid wrote: > > Well, if nobody else is going to defend the "ignorant" spectators, then I > will. The innocent spectators have taken more than their fair share of > bashing around here. By ignorant, I only meant uninformed. There is nothing wrong with a spectator that knows nothing of the sport. I was under the impression that the shred contest was for shredders while the main freestyle format was for spectators. > I am sure that there are many footbaggers who don't care about the > popularity of the sport, and that is fine. On the other hand, there are > those who realize that if more people take an interest in the sport, there > will be more people to shred with, more people to compete with, more > competitions and dare I say, more money. Yes, yes, and yes. I have tried hard to promote the sport. It is very hard to get new people to want to learn, but that has always been my main goal. You can't have a sport without spectators - isn't that what makes it a real sport? If the sport is to grow, it must remain visually appealing to the masses. That is the great thing about the current freestyle judging format. It places a lot of emphasis on showmanship and choreography. This will always be the event that showcases for the uninformed spectator. That is great. BUT, I also like to see people shred. If that isn't the point of the shred contest, then ignore what I am about to say. The shred contest is for *players* to watch and enjoy. It is the circle shred put to a judging system. Because of this, I don't see why it ever needs to be on a stage in front of uninformed spectators. How can you have an event where drops don't hurt you and expect it to draw first time spectators into the sport? Because I think of the shred contest as a completely seperate event with a totally different target audience, I see no reason why it shouldn't be video reviewed for accuracy. Sure, Ryan Mulroney wins when he steps onto the floor, but eventually it might be a little closer. When it does get closer - or when prize money is given to more than just first place - an accurate system of difficulty is needed. And, it needs to be video verified. As far as current freestyle judging goes, adds are fine. Difficulty isn't such a huge part of the final results. In a shred contest, adds make a much larger impact... wouldn't it be nice if they were more accurate? > Pleasing the crowds does not mean, as people keep saying, dumbing down the > sport. It is more important to educate the crowd. Again, I agree. However, it does mean that you have to "dumb down" the amount of shred. Spectators love the showy tricks. That isn't dumbing down the sport. It is just accentuating a different part of it. When you kick with "hackers", it is important to start out slow. Do an around the world and pass it on. Do a pendulum pass. Keep the bag off of the ground. Shredding till you drop is only appreciated by a small number of people. > Before the actual competition, some of us had the fortune > of meeting a very friendly and skilled Aaron deGlanville, and he gave us a > mini-course on freestyle. We then watched the semis and the finals of > freestyle. I had to battle with some people in our group, because after two > hours of watching... routine... long break... routine... long break... and > having no idea who was really doing the best, they were demanding that we > leave. You should have seen the finals at 99 worlds. Wow! I want to say thanks to all of the judging staff and event coordinators for making the event run as fast and smooth as it did. I don't see how anyone could have been bored. In contrast to past worlds, we actually *gained* spectators throughout the event instead of losing them. And about Aaron... if you can get past the crazy way he laces his shoes, he's a pretty cool guy :) > My point is that I had a group of people who WANTED to understand what was > so cool about footbag, and they mostly went away empty handed. (at least I > got video :) > Immediate scoring is a good way to give fans some education on what makes a > good shred. I disagree. Imidiate scoring is a good way to give fans an idea on what a good performance is. To me, shred is a whole different animal. > Demonstrations would be another good way. Show the fans how > hard the moves really are. They look so damn easy when you see the routines > that you start to wonder if those are magic shoes. Yes. Let me encourage all players of every skill level to TEACH! Demonstrate the sport. Show that it is more than a bunch of losers at a concert with a beer in one hand and a smoke in the other. Remember that any time you are kicking, you should be promoting the sport. > Anyway, I seem to be in blabber mode. I just wanted to express some views > from the fan perspective. heheh... I got in that mode too. Oh well. I hope I cleared up what I was trying to say. I don't want to dis any spectators or new players. Everyone has a place in the sport. It is just that I see the target audiences being different for a freestyle competition and a shred contest. Comments? Shred hard - perform well. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:06:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09088 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:06:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20278 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:03:06 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA3626; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:03:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990910230237.009cd670@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:04:21 -0700 To: Derric Scalf From: Matt Avery Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <37D9B39E.A97A07EF@dallasfootbag.org> References: <004301befb35$9bc48a60$0101010a@dave> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >By ignorant, I only meant uninformed. There is nothing wrong with a >spectator that knows nothing of the sport. I was under the impression >that the shred contest was for shredders while the main freestyle format >was for spectators. Hey guys, I just wanted to get a little blurb of info in: At the 99 worlds, most of the audience were footbaggers: people who knew the moves and how hard they were to link. It might not be that way all the time, but for now most spectators are indeed footbaggers. Matt From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:09:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09103 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:09:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ezra Kim Received: (from ezra_kim@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EK8GF22M; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:15:43 EDT To: freestyle@email.footbag.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:17:19 -0700 Subject: [freestyle] was just pondering Message-ID: <19990913.001720.3446.0.ezra_kim@juno.com> References: <199909102330.QAA02855@email.footbag.org> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-13 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi, i was just thinking about different moves in my head....just wondering if any of these have names or been hit...(= - *paradox symposium whirling swirl.... *symposium torque/flux *pixie/fairy - torque/flux *swirling whirl. --"paraxoxizing" or "blurisizing" any of the moves would be saucy too... - these probably all have names or what not, i dunno.... - thanks, ez From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:10:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09115 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:10:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22592 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:34:47 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 8BWNa07549 (3934); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2962fef3.250b43b9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:33:45 EDT Subject: Re: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/10/99 6:18:21 PM, derric@dallasfootbag.org wrote: <> What I'm about to say may have nothing to do with this statement but its been bouncig around in my noggin for sometime now...We are always talking about those who are ignorant to the sport of footbag and coincidentally the idea of "hackers" always comes up... well my point is that 95% of all stylers out there were hacky slackers at one point but in order to truly "appreciate" freestyle you had to have had this backround at one point and then worked your way up to the title of shredder.... it is then that you see how far you've come and can recognize how talented our BAP guys really are...this cannot be compared with the everyday spectator who sees a couple tiltless guys on a sidewalk and does not connect the two with one another...there is a connection its faint... and fleeting but it is the soul and the origin of all of us kickers today...we all have our anecdotes of our old hacky sack days and the crazy things we did...those days are essential to every styler's present position...to his career in footbag...so let us not disassociate the two and classify the hacker as one who is ignorant or misinformed because, not only were we all there, but we all noticed how it helped us as a foundation and have seen how far we've advanced since those days.. of course you'll still be seeing them around but those are just new budding freestylers slowing progressing into the freestlye ranks...it maybe only one in 10,000 but its still something and they are still out there...waiting to become out next Bryan McKenzie and Ryan Mulroney (although these two guys are totally unique, etc.) Just think of it guys scott mention that only two guys in the world were hitting "swirls" in '86 and today thirteen years later we're dreaming up (and hitting moves) with up to four components... so next time you talk about whoever hitting amadeus to barraging torque stop and synapse for a nanosecond about how far we evolved to come to that... sorry for babbling...again, all you old skoolers probly came to this realization about 10 years ago... it just hit me this morning as I was eating breakfast...duuuuuuuude.... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:10:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09125 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:10:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25040 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:56:09 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FHV00501Y1JAY@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:56:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] my half cent and proposal about adds In-reply-to: <19990909213505.31327.qmail@hotmail.com> To: KeN Somolinos Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, KeN Somolinos wrote: What struck me while I was reading the > post, was how subjective it was. Don't worry Brad, I'm not getting in a > huff here. I just thought it interesting that you feel toe blur should be > worth more than atom smasher. One thing Scott Davidson once said that I Oh you caught that (oops)! Ya, I knew I was being subjective and I'm pretty sure I even included it in my post. It's just hard not to be especially with these particular tricks. The reason I say Atom smashers are easier than Toe Blurs is because I almost never see people hitting toe blur (with the exception of Sunil), but I see plenty of people hitting atom smasher. Maybe my range of kickers isn't all that big a library, so how many people are throwing Toe Blur into their strings? I know that I've tried schooling that quick mirage set and I have hit bs symp. toe blur, but I'm so far from Toe Blur. Meanwhile my Atomics and Taps are almost duckable and I learned them in 1 hour. Again this is subjective, but again this is what I mostly see out of other players as well. That is another reason why separating them by a 1/2 add is not so bad as not at all or an entire add as others suggest. > (disclaimer, i've never hit sludge). What's a sludge? Ryan Mulroney once pointed > out that when you are shredding in a circle, people "know" what moves are > difficult. I say that it is impossible to quantify the difficulty of moves, > and that we shouldn't even bother. I agree with this %100 when you're shredding in a circle. For purposes of tournament judging though you need to get as close to a system of points as possible if you're going to have the category at all. And you prove my point next with you're kudos to Jon Schneider. > PS- When Brad started talking about moves beginning and/or ending in dragons > getting more adds, i couldn't help but think that adoption of a system of > this sort would allow Jon Schneider to really whup some ass in a shred > contest. Right on! Later, HALF ADD BRAD (Heh Heh) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:10:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09135 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:10:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30026 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:42:18 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zRBDa05159 (3960); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20a6a7d7.250ba804@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:41:40 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] tevas To: PHoEtOiD34@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I shred in Tevas and never modified them. I jusst starting kicking. I odn't see how you could modify them. there's not much there. Keep It Real, Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:12:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09166 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:12:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18849 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:59:05 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA121 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:59:04 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:59:07 -0700 Message-ID: <001101befbf9$3c6da640$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Reid, you are so "right on" I could kiss you. In other words, I like what you had to say and agree with you completely. I could copy and paste portions of your original post to reply to but I agree with the whole thing so I copy it again below. Educate the fans.. they are not stupid! One problem is that we are all trying to present a professional event when in reality it is a completely 100% volunteer effort. But until we actually present the highest of quality events, we will be volunteers. Not a bad thing.. just a fact. I was at the X-Games this year and I didn't like their presentation at all but it worked in many ways. A 100% made for T.V. event. The crowd was constantly being worked into frenzies like it was a damn Springer show. The fans treated like idiots in my opinion. Sell, sell, sell. The scoring for the events I saw was instant but also BASELESS. I also, didn't see a single upset. The Tony Hawks always won. The athletes were awesome but the crowds wouldn't have been nearly as interested if it weren't for the DJ's and MC's. Anyway, I think we can have the presentation of the X-games but with substance. We've got the athletes and we've got the scoring systems. We've just got to streamline some things and educate the fans whenever possible. All spectators should be given pamphlets about what is going on in front of them. How events are scored, players to watch etc. Spectators need someone to relate to and something to keep track of what's going on by. Who is who, from where, how old, history of comp, etc. We need commentators talking to the crowd constantly.. always... not bullshit.. tell them what is or isn't happening and why... Who's up next, interviews, demonstrations, explanations... etc., etc., etc., etc., eric wulff From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:14:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09212 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:14:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30064 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:47:14 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zVDJa23990 (3960) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:46:41 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I admit I usually don't read much of the posts about new add systems and tournament formats. I'll usually just read half of them, then just get on to the other ones. But anyways, about this whole other seperate shred contest. I don't see the point to having one. If all it is a circle bein judged, and no spectators. WOuldn't that just oint one guy on a pedestal. It seems to mean is that that is what you do all weekend long. Call me crazy or dumb, but I just see no reason to create some other contest that jst makes somebody else better than everbody else. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:14:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09222 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:14:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31229 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:01:37 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zTZDa01404 (4253) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:00:57 EDT Subject: [freestyle] toe whirls To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anyone got some advice on toe whirls. I'm getting awfuly close but after i do the dex, it seems that the bag is too far in front to stall....help? thanks windsen From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:16:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09256 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:16:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05379 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:50:42 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00233 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:51:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <002201befe32$58409540$3bd5fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:52:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric wrote: >By ignorant, I only meant uninformed. There is nothing wrong with a >spectator that knows nothing of the sport. I was under the impression >that the shred contest was for shredders while the main freestyle format >was for spectators. I believe that demonstrations, like the BAP shred, are mainly for spectators and everything else should be a competition. I also believe that there should be more demonstrations surrounding a given competition. (reminder: this comes from a guy who has only been to 1 competition) >appealing to the masses. That is the great thing about the current >freestyle judging format. It places a lot of emphasis on showmanship >and choreography. This will always be the event that showcases for the >uninformed spectator. That is great. I think the current judging system actually does a poor job of putting the emphasis on style and choreography, but I don't have enough experience to say that for sure. Perhaps the inclusion of shred contests will allow the emphasis to shift. One technical event and one style event would be a good thing. I think there are alot of really talented freestylers out there who have more style than they do tripless strings. >judging system. Because of this, I don't see why it ever needs to be on >a stage in front of uninformed spectators. How can you have an event >where drops don't hurt you and expect it to draw first time spectators >into the sport? I suppose this is where I am off track with your thinking. As a first-time spectator at Worlds98, I was disappointed that I wasn't seeing the best that these players could do (technically). I wanted to see players bust out the best moves they could possibly dream up. I didn't want to see people reduce the difficulty of their tricks just so they wouldn't drop the bag. >I disagree. Imidiate scoring is a good way to give fans an idea on what >a good performance is. To me, shred is a whole different animal. Well, we just plain differ on this :). You think that the shred contest should be a calculated maximum-number-of-elements-in-x-seconds event, and I think it should be a wow-I-can't-believe-he-linked-THOSE-moves-in-the-middle-of-an-unbelievably-s olid-string event. I think experienced players KNOW what makes a good shred, and therefore they can rank shred routines with ease. Deep down, I just believe that any mathematical formula you impose on freestyle reduces the freedom. Since there is another option that works, why go the formula route? Am I just a crazy newbie or does anyone agree? Dave "crazy newbie" Reid From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:16:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09269 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:16:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06852 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:49:30 -0700 Received: from pounce.excite.com ([199.172.152.99]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990913032456.FRQZ28309.kuku@pounce.excite.com>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:24:56 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: Damon Mathews Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] the link add Message-Id: <937192992.13856.165@excite.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:23:12 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.176 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org D-man and all, hmmmm, good point..... for what its worth, in my opinion, the add system does need to be changed to accomodate some of the finer points of this art. I like DLS and have been trying to use it since I read about it here..... adds are just so damned hard-wired though:) someone should just come up with something that is sooo logical that we all won't believe we didn't think of it!(hehehe) anyone else on the link add? Allan K. Haggett Victoria, BC PS I'd give the phat check to player B Damon... From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:16:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09282 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:16:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24761 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:05:00 -0700 Received: from pounce.excite.com ([199.172.152.99]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <19990913150424.BKQM19287.fortune@pounce.excite.com> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:04:24 -0700 From: "Tim Cooley" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] blur -- what the hell????? Message-Id: <937235068.19477.184@excite.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:04:28 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 151.201.61.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have been trying ever since i posted the last Blur message to hit it. The only problem is that I cant seem to get the bag in front of me, high enough off the clipper. It is bugging the hell out of me, and if I could just get the bag in front at the right height, I can hit it. What am I doing wrong? later -enigma- Tim From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:17:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09296 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:17:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA23017 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:16:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 71057 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 08:16:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914081624.71056.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.10.181.20 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:16:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.10.181.20] From: "Otso Konttinen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Stepping Butterfly or Ripwalk? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:16:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello! I am Otso from Finland i have played now for half year and I can do some easy tricks. Well I was wondering how does stepping Butterfly go. Does it go like this? Set from the left Clipper, then setting foot down and then a butterfly ending in a left clipper. And is that 4 adds? To me it is harder to do a ripwalk than a stepping butterfly. Is that so usually? Please give me your opinion and some advice... Otso From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:17:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09322 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:17:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Damon Mathews Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10274 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:41:08 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zYWa001988 (4542) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <442407db.250ef369@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:40:09 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Simple Paradox Question :-) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So, yes, it's still paradox. But it's a waste of time and you should avoid putting your foot down -- you just make it harder. Steve>> Waste of time? You should avoid putting your foot down? What??? Foot planting a Pdx Mirage is a style choice, and sometimes(more often than it should), foot planting can save your ass. Later D-Man From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:18:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09334 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:18:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19658 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:22:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FI200601ROO68@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:22:00 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] Diving moves (seen'em or done'em?) To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So, either the list has been slow lately or the mails aren't getting through to me. There were a couple of moves I was wondering about when it comes to diving. Have any of you hit these or named them? Ripped Warrior, but with a dive instead of a duck, Diving paradox mirage Diving paradox reverse mirage Or Blurry on either of the last two. Just wondering! BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 09:24:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09461 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:24:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09458 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:24:45 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01190 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:35:43 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119 [205.180.137.119]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05823 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:35:08 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Diving moves (seen'em or done'em?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:22 PM -0600 9/14/99, KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: > So, either the list has been slow lately or the mails aren't getting >through to me. Sometimes I don't have time to deal with this list and it'll go several days without me posting everyone's messages and fixing all of the errors, and typing all your names for you. Someone step up and become moderator for a change. I'm tired of it. But, warning: it's a thankless job. And please don't apply if you don't read your e-mail all the time every day (morning, day, and night). Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 18:31:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09944 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:31:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16759 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:50:24 -0700 Received: from postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id JAA09412; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id JAA13231; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ9l+7sfuE6iNrJwqg8tUpuXq9fcQIVAKJl6liBwwUR4u56GsO9r98rNx6z From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:50:19 -0400 (EDT) To: PHoEtOiD34@aol.com (Windsen Pan) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] toe whirls Message-ID: <24111-37DFCE4B-370@postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Windsen Pan 's message of Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:00:57 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey windsen, Are you trying toe>same in>op clip ? Or toe>op in>op clip ? Maybe try: toe>same in>same outside stall. Or toe>op in>same outside stall. Going to the outside stall helps get your set "beside" you. GF From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 18:31:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09954 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:31:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17442 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:13:49 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA04322; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:50:05 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990910230237.009cd670@mail.direcpc.com> References: <37D9B39E.A97A07EF@dallasfootbag.org> <004301befb35$9bc48a60$0101010a@dave> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:57:24 -0600 To: Matt Avery , Derric Scalf From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Matt and freestylers! >I just wanted to get a little blurb of info in: At the 99 worlds, most of >the audience were footbaggers: people who knew the moves and how hard they >were to link. It might not be that way all the time, but for now most >spectators are indeed footbaggers. >Matt I just have to say that Navy Piers Skyline Stage was very impressed with us after our worlds stage show (not the shred, but the big show). We had over 750 people in the audience, and you're gonna tell me that they were all footbaggers? Not a chance. We worked the pier all day and for weeks prior. Alex the intermediate freestyle champion did great shows on the pier and handed out oodles of fliers about the finals (along with countless others who helped immensley, thank you!). BTW, what WAS missing was an MC on stage giving play by play and getting the crowd all rowdy and on the edges of their seats. And I must say that I was very impressed with the infectious style of Alex's routine (his presentation is top notch, and I predict it will be the benchmark to which all freestyle presentation is compared), and if I had my way, I would simply nominate Alex as next years MC for freestyle. Although there is a chance that he will be competing in finals next year, he embodies the kind of energy we need to emulate to the audiences... someone like Alex knows the moves, he knows the games, he knows the players, he is not afraid to get out there and take chances, and he is otherwise MULTI-talented with juggling-type-things and a great spirit. We still need competant people behind the scenes like Steve G. on the sound boards and Valeria D. doing backstage coordination (thanks to all who helped), but we were missing a "consistant face on stage" that the audience could relate to. My point is that given the right venue, we will need to portray ourselves to the true "newbie" who wants to be entertained. On another note, I gave footbags to all the stage hands at skyline stage, and they were really impressed with the show (they have a lot of shows that charge $$ to get in, that have under 300 attendance, and for a free show, we have the record highest attendance ever on that stage's 5 year history.) Anyway, See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 18:31:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09943 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:31:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17259 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:09:08 -0700 Received: from postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id KAA05253; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id KAA14492; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAn1FGlcIdkaSV8rwO1oMlnArtZl0CFAZWOrN1iP1xKQIRgF8Zf2IP7Zpb From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:09:07 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] I used to like lavers Message-ID: <24108-37DFD2B3-1281@postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! It bugs me that the newer Lavers do not have as much height. I discovered this a few weeks ago. After my blades became blistered I put the offending sheaths up to the old ones, and lo and behold, they were substantially "shorter". The distance from the sole to the top of the shoe at the heel is short. Anybody have a good line on "old" Lavers ? GF From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 18:31:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09934 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:31:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02100 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:24:08 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FI300101GRXK2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:23:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] toe whirls In-reply-to: To: Windsen Pan Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Windsen Pan wrote: > Anyone got some advice on toe whirls. I'm getting awfuly close but after i do > the dex, it seems that the bag is too far in front to stall....help? Try turning more to the side as you do the dex. Instead of setting the bags over to one side, turn the side of your body you want to catch the bag on closer to the bag. BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 18:31:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09953 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:31:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17034 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:00:09 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA27337; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:23:31 -0600 To: Owen Parrish , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At 8:46 AM -0400 9/11/99, Owen Parrish wrote: >about this whole other seperate shred contest. >I don't see the point to having one. If all it is a circle bein judged, and >no spectators. WOuldn't that just oint one guy on a pedestal. It seems to >mean is that that is what you do all weekend long. Call me crazy or dumb, >but I just see no reason to create some other contest that jst makes somebody >else better than everbody else. Owen is on to something. We are a community, why not come up with a shred format that rewards many, rather than putting a single person on a pedastal. During the worlds week, have organized shreds that players participate in. Have the players nominate who the "best" players are. Take the top 8, as voted by their peers, and put them into two circles of four and let them show off, have an MC doing the play by play, of course playing in front of the banners of the sponsors of the event (I'm not sure when to do the "big show" but probably once after freestyle finals and again during or inbetween matches of the net finals, definately where there are big crowds... or maybe do it at a site near the main worlds site, but in front of huge crowds already gathered for something else like a concert or a shopping mall), pay them each $100 (or a token reward, or a plaque or a pair of chums or something) as a reward, and we have accomplished our goals... to showcase the best players, to have a "win-win" situation, to have a non-judgemental type system and have lots of fun doing it. What do you think? I would love to be a part of this, and it would give me incentive to really shred a lot during the week, and it would guarantee that all the shredders "put out" during the week, and that all that work could really pay off. I think it would take an additional $1000 sponsor to make it work, but it could be done. See ya! Scott D. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 18:43:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10029 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:43:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f246.hotmail.com [216.32.181.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18792 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:52:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 21086 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 1999 17:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990915175129.21085.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.40.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:51:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.167.40.109] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping Butterfly or Ripwalk? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:51:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Does it >go like this? Set from the left Clipper, then setting foot down and then >a >butterfly ending in a left clipper. And is that 4 adds? > >To me it is harder to do a ripwalk than a stepping butterfly. Is that so >usually? > >Please give me your opinion and some advice... > >Otso As I understand what you write, I said you just do a clipper to butterfly same side...stepping butterfly is a miraging to same side butterfly (set from clipper, quick mirage, butterfly) I found that stepping butterfly is harder than ripwalk because you have to set it straight line up and ripwalk you set side to other side... I have it my first ripwalk weak side and I way far from the stepping butterfly on my weak side! I forgot to pratice my both side, shame on me! Danny From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 21:39:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10342 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:39:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24121 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:12:53 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA2305; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:14:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990915161317.009d23f0@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:14:55 -0700 To: Scott Davidson , Derric Scalf From: Matt Avery Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990910230237.009cd670@mail.direcpc.com> <37D9B39E.A97A07EF@dallasfootbag.org> <004301befb35$9bc48a60$0101010a@dave> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott said: >I just have to say that Navy Piers Skyline Stage was very impressed with us >after our worlds stage show (not the shred, but the big show). We had over >750 people in the audience, and you're gonna tell me that they were all >footbaggers? Not a chance. However we didn't have a shred contest at Skylin Stage did we? That should have been the place to do it, though. I think the public gets a better taste during a shred contest then just watching some random circles. Matt From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 15 21:45:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10365 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:45:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10362 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:45:16 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25964 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:56:12 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119 [205.180.137.119]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02773 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990915161317.009d23f0@mail.direcpc.com> References: <4.1.19990910230237.009cd670@mail.direcpc.com> <37D9B39E.A97A07EF@dallasfootbag.org> <004301befb35$9bc48a60$0101010a@dave> <4.1.19990915161317.009d23f0@mail.direcpc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:35 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:14 PM -0700 9/15/99, Matt Avery wrote: > >I just have to say that Navy Piers Skyline Stage was very impressed with us >>after our worlds stage show (not the shred, but the big show). We had over >>750 people in the audience, and you're gonna tell me that they were all >>footbaggers? Not a chance. > >However we didn't have a shred contest at Skylin Stage did we? That should >have been the place to do it, though. I think the public gets a better >taste during a shred contest then just watching some random circles. Okay, so next year, *you* pay the $1600 extra to run Shred at Skyline. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 02:00:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10571 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:00:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32014 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:44:07 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990915234406.MMEQ5655.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:44:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37E03263.53247591@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:57:23 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] blur -- what the hell????? References: <937235068.19477.184@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tim Cooley wrote: > > I have been trying ever since i posted the last Blur message to hit it. The > only problem is that I cant seem to get the bag in front of me, high enough > off the clipper. > It is bugging the hell out of me, and if I could just get the bag in front > at the right height, I can hit it. > What am I doing wrong? Sounds like you are doing the right thing - practicing. There are two parts to a blur. The set and a pdx mirage. So, you need to have both parts dialed in order to put them together. Step one - paradox mirage. I'm assuming you can hit this if you are trying blur. Do it more. Practice it until you hit at least 90-95% of all attempted pdx mirages. This is a great time to mention that the weak side needs the same amount of practice and consistency. Do both sides. Step two - the blur set. Try to just do the blur set and catch the bag in your hand. If you are setting from a left foot clipper, set, do the dex with the right leg as you are planting your left foot. Get your right foot on the ground as quick as possible. So, you now have both feet on the ground and you are catching the bag in your left hand. Concentrate on getting both feet to the ground quickly. Also, make the set go straight up (it should be the same height and placement of a pdx mirage set). Step three - put them together. Do a blur set and follow it up with a pdx mirage. Boom. That is blur. Are you trying it on both sides? Hope this helps. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 02:00:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10570 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:00:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27706; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:36:01 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA5532; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:37:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990915173629.009d0c60@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:38:05 -0700 To: Steve Goldberg , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matt Avery Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990915161317.009d23f0@mail.direcpc.com> <4.1.19990910230237.009cd670@mail.direcpc.com> <37D9B39E.A97A07EF@dallasfootbag.org> <004301befb35$9bc48a60$0101010a@dave> <4.1.19990915161317.009d23f0@mail.direcpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Shouldnt need to pay anything. the shred contest should be a free entry for all. I dont think there should be any money for the top shredders either. This is shred, not competition. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 02:00:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10569 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:00:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:53:37 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823375A56@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Ezra Kim'" , freestyle@email.footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] was just pondering Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:53:35 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hmm, I have hit Symposium Flux once......once. Frontside Symposium Reverse Miraging moves tend to mince my ankles... From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 02:01:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10593 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:01:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fourner Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32620 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:08:12 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id lKCIa04850 (4238); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:06:16 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Diving moves (seen'em or done'em?) To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org How about Eli ill run in his latest masterpiece (Sultans) In which he busts either a diving pdx drifter...prrrrrrrrrretty neat! ~Bryan F. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 02:01:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10603 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:01:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32333; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:57:32 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990915235730.MQWI5655.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:57:30 -0700 Message-ID: <37E03588.B83D1583@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:10:48 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Davidson CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred contest at worlds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott Davidson wrote: > > During the worlds week, have organized shreds that players participate in. > Have the players nominate who the "best" players are. Take the top 8, as > voted by their peers, and put them into two circles of four and let them > show off, have an MC doing the play by play, of course playing in front of > the banners of the sponsors of the event Yes! I like it. The reson I have been against having the shred contest in front of the public is because of the quality of *showmanship* in the shred contest this year. Don't get me wrong... there were a LOT of wicked combos that were hit. It is just that about half of the competitors walked off in disgust throwing bags and such - before the 45 seconds was up. This is an event for freestylers to watch - I think they are the only ones who can appreciate it. The difficulty was there, the showmanship wasn't. The great thing about Scott's idea is that you end up with a shred circle of the best of the best. There isn't a set formula for judging - just impress your peers. To me, the best part of a tournament is the one late night jam that is just unreal. You get one circle of four players just going off. This past worlds, we had a great circle with most of the big names on that last Saturday night (videos should be up on dallasfootbag soon). This circle is what footbag is all about. Crowds would love it. Get an MC like Alex to give a play by play and you would have an event worth televising. Way to go Scott... you have solved the problem of freestyle. I really think this is a great idea. Any other comments? -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 02:01:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10613 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:01:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f69.hotmail.com [216.32.181.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02208 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:05:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 2163 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 00:46:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990916004627.2162.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.115.165 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.167.115.165] From: "Ryan Britt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping Butterfly or Ripwalk? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:26 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Does it go like this? Set from the left Clipper, then setting foot >down >and then a >butterfly ending in a left clipper. And is that 4 adds? Sorry, that's not a stepping butterfly. What you are describing is a regular butterfly set from a clipper stall. It's only worth 3 adds. I'm not sure if that move has a special name. Here is the job's notation for a stepping butterfly: clip > op in > same out > op clip Basically, you set from a clipper stall, then bring the support leg around the bag from in to out as the bag is going up. Then as the bag is going down you bring the SAME leg over the bag from out to in and catch on a clipper like you would for a regular butterfly. As for the question of a stepping butterfly being harder than a ripwalk, I don't know the answer, because I haven't hit either of the two moves. Well I hope that helped. - Ryan Britt From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 02:01:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10623 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:01:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f227.hotmail.com [216.32.181.227]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00917 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:29:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 1443 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 00:29:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990916002910.1442.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.115.165 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:29:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.167.115.165] From: "Ryan Britt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Diving moves (seen'em or done'em?) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:29:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Someone step up and become moderator for a change. I'm tired of it. >But, warning: it's a thankless job. THANK YOU STEVE!!!! - Ryan Britt From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 08:07:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11318 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:07:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11789 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:40:40 -0700 Received: from ul2ju (pool0831.cvx14-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.41.66]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13973 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mike Stoler" To: Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Judgdging Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:59:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf000f$34b882c0$4229b3d1@ul2ju> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello happy 'stylers. I've made this suggestion before, and it's always well received, but it never seems to be acted on. There is an extra point we can find in the existing scoring system. The add ratio is added to a players score, but this value can never be less than 1. I recommend we add (add-ratio - 1) to the players score instead. I think it and (adds / 100) are added up, to be maxed out at 5. Well, this would essentially let this be maxxed out at 6. That would give the best players a more room to distinguish themselves in this aspect. What'dya all think about that? Regards, Rex From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 08:25:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11357 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:25:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA13962 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:30:43 -0700 Message-ID: <19990916073752.11240.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.101.49.188] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:37:52 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:37:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Long To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hello from Melbourne MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, This is Michael from Melbourne Australia, now that I know the e-mail works I will tell everyone a little bit about myself. I have been playing footbag for the past year now. I started because my preffered sport, of skateboarding was simply too harmful to my physical health. I broke an arm and ankle within 3 months. I think footbag is cool because it has similar elements to skateboarding (tricks, foot/eye co-ordination)and you can't get hurt as easily. I used to think that skateboarding had lots of moves but after visiting the moves section of Footbag Worldwide I can safely say that freestyle footbag has about 2 or 3 times more. I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I could get a suede or facile footbag in Melbourne or surrounding suburbs. I have been playing with the crotcheted footbags for the last year, and although I have got used to them I want something better. Please Help Michael Long. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 16:35:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11629 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:35:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16435 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:27:21 -0700 Received: from 206.151.159.192 (ip259.mind.net [206.151.159.192]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA27117 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:27:17 -0700 Message-ID: <37E05546.FCB@mind.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:26:17 +0000 From: Forest Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New move? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi guys, earlier this week, while shredding, I hit a new move that I have not seen anyone hit or mention and was curious if anyone else has hit it. The move is essentially a double dada curve, I call it a barraging dada curve. It is very similar to a double blender but I jump into the delay more like a dada. From xbody del op in> same in> op out> op xbody> same del I do the move barraging style appose to stepping style. Let me know what you think. Forest From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 16:35:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11623 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:35:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16734 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:39:30 -0700 Received: from 206.151.159.192 (ip259.mind.net [206.151.159.192]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA28131 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: <37E05840.757A@mind.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:39:00 +0000 From: Forest Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] blur -- what the hell????? References: <937235068.19477.184@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Tim and fellow stylers, the key to getting a high stepping set(I know this because it is something that I struggle with) is to pull your setting foot with the bag as high up toward your crotch and between your legs as you can. Watch people who have the stepping set dialed, you will see that they cary the bag up through the dex, releasing the bag allmost after it has allready been pulled past the dex leg. Try to kick yourself in the balls with the bag on your foot. Good luck and I hope that you don't hurt yourself too bad practicing. :) Forest From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 17:04:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11912 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:04:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f121.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28962 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:12:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 89231 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 16:11:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990916161155.89230.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:11:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: fastfoot@mind.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:11:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Forest asked what this is: >From xbody del op in> same in> op out> >op xbody> same del I believe this is flurriest. Tu has told me he has hit this da da style as well. I think Tuan has hit this without doing the da da jump, which makes the move harder. keep shredding, Ken CF Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 17:14:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11953 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:14:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f137.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.137]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29158 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:19:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 33363 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 16:19:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990916161929.33362.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:19:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: fastfoot@mind.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] blur -- what the hell????? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:19:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, Forest's advice for a high stepping set was as follows: > >the key to getting a high stepping set is to pull your >setting foot with the bag as high up toward your crotch and between your >legs as you can. Watch people who have the stepping set dialed, you >will see that they cary the bag up through the dex, releasing the bag >allmost after it has allready been pulled past the dex leg. BIG word of warning: don't slur your set. I've seen people do blurry sets where they literally release the bag in front of them, after the dex supposedly occured. There are even examples of this on video, which is something that shouldn't happen in my opinion. For it to be a pure set, the bag should leave your foot, and then the other leg should go over it. If you pull your set foot too much and release too late, you are really just setting from an inside stall in front of you, and shouldn't get credit for a dex or a pdx if one comes later in the move. I make a very strong point not to slur my sets, and I am happy enough with the height I get on them. Think "up," move fast, keep it clean. Ken CF Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 16 19:24:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12052 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:24:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vivid.Vivid.com (vivid.vivid.com [207.105.222.252]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31049 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:20:59 -0700 Received: from vivid.com (gwvivid2.platinum.com [207.105.222.53]) by vivid.Vivid.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16563; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37E12733.CB71D881@vivid.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:24:21 -0700 From: Ethan Klein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Forest Schrodt , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? References: <37E05546.FCB@mind.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to Forest's question about barraging dada... I used to sometimes hit barraging butterfly (clip - opp in - same in - opp out - opp clip ). Is that what you mean by barraging dada? I stopped doing it though, because it was kind-of a "the" type move, and paled in comparison to high plains drifter, which is much more worthy, IMHO. I found it extremely hard to accentuate the dada aspect of the move and instead just sort-of snaked a low butterfly at the end. I subsequently abandoned the move because it didn't feel good. Anyway... if it's a double blender, that's super cool, and I've seen Chad try it a few times and think that he's hit it?? Peace - Ethan Phish shows at the Shoreline tonight and tomorrow, who's shredding? Forest Schrodt wrote: > Hi guys, earlier this week, while shredding, I hit a new move that I > have not seen anyone hit or mention and was curious if anyone else has > hit it. The move is essentially a double dada curve, I call it a > barraging dada curve. It is very similar to a double blender but I jump > into the delay more like a dada. From xbody del op in> same in> op out> > op xbody> same del > I do the move barraging style appose to stepping style. Let me know > what you think. > Forest -- |!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!| Ethan Louis Klein vivid studios ethan@vivid.com From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:20:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16902 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:20:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14886 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:21:24 -0700 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.73.127.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.73.127]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16184 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b001bf00aa$e07d1f80$7f49f5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] Flying Clipper Delay Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:20:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BF0070.33027740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BF0070.33027740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am relatively new to freestyle. I hope you guys can answer a = question for me. A clipper is a cross-body delay and a flying clipper = is a jumping, cross-body kick right?. Is there a difference in adds = between a jumping clipper and a clipper? I mean if you do a flying = clipper but catch it instead of just kicking it is it 3 adds? And does = that particular move have a name? Also, I would just like to mention = that I accually did a spinning osis today but I ended up spinning right = into a tree when I tried to do it again. YAY!! Sam Colclough http://www.penny-lane.com/sam http://mp3.com/hs ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BF0070.33027740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I am relatively new to freestyle. I hope you = guys can=20 answer a question for me.  A clipper is a cross-body delay and a = flying=20 clipper is a jumping, cross-body kick right?. Is there a difference = in adds=20 between a jumping clipper and a clipper? I mean if you do a flying = clipper but=20 catch it instead of just kicking it is it 3 adds? And does that = particular move=20 have a name? Also, I would just like to mention that I accually did a = spinning=20 osis today but I ended up spinning right into a tree when I tried to do = it=20 again. YAY!!
Sam Colclough
http://www.penny-lane.com/sam<= BR>http://mp3.com/hs
------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BF0070.33027740-- From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:20:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16915 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:20:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f207.hotmail.com [216.32.181.207]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29348 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:27:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 45474 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 1999 04:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990918042707.45473.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.114.199 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:27:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.167.114.199] From: "Ryan Britt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Super Ashe Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:27:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone. I was just curious about the Super Ashe shoe by Le Coq Sportif. Has anyone used this shoe before? How does it compare with the Laver? Are they taller? I know that they have been discontinued but is there a place I might find them? I already have Lavers but I don't really like them for some reason. It might be because I ordered a size that was a bit too big, so they're kinda loose. Oh yeah, one other thing. I've heard the word "the" being used when talking about some moves. Like someone will say a move is "the". What exactly does that mean?? Thank you for your help. - Ryan Britt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:20:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16891 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:20:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FI700H01CAOP5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@email.footbag.org; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:37:36 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: RE: [freestyle] was just pondering In-reply-to: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823375A56@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> To: Adrian Dick Cc: "'Ezra Kim'" , freestyle@email.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Adrian Dick wrote: > Hmm, I have hit Symposium Flux once......once. Frontside Symposium Reverse > Miraging moves tend to mince my ankles... I hear that!!! They hurt my whole body. It starts with shin splints and by the fourth or fifth attempt at some frontside symp rev mirage my lower back almost breaks in half. They're painful! BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:20:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16906 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:20:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19150 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:44:10 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zWZTa08903 (3926) for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:43:32 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Whoa! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright, I've been watching this '98 UQAM Jam video. This is some amazing stuff. And it got me wondering somethings. Is everyone at Worlds and other tournys incredible like all the guys in this video? Am I weird for not being able to link 40 tricks in a row? And finally, this goes to the guys that r incredible, most proably aren't on this list, Pete Irish, Enlightener, Tsunami, Eric Wulff, Tu Huge, Torch, how long have you been kicking? Holy crap, I have wet dreams about the stuff u guys were doing. Especially Iron Man, gotta love the flyers. Anyways, lata. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:20:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16921 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:20:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15410 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:40:04 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00172 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:41:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <004301bf014d$36a732e0$70aefea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: [freestyle] Source for mail-order footbags? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:42:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, This has been asked several times on the list, but I've never seen an answer yet. Now I NEED a new bag, so I hope someone can help. I am looking for a way to buy a Carol bag or something of similar quality. The only bags that I know you can order through the mail are Juice bags from World Footbag. Is there another source? thx, Dave From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:20:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16916 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:20:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f206.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA29305 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:02:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 96904 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 1999 11:01:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990917110137.96903.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.35.17.13 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:01:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.35.17.13] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] blur -- what the hell????? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:01:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow, slow down there Forest, let's review: >the key to getting a high stepping set(I know this because it is >something >that I struggle with) is to pull your setting foot with the >bag as high up >toward your crotch and between your legs as you can. >Watch people who >have the stepping set dialed, you will see that they >cary the bag up >through the dex, releasing the bag allmost after it >has allready been >pulled past the dex leg. Try to kick yourself in >the balls with the bag >on your foot. No. Ok first if you are reliecing the bag that high yur going to have a hell of a time keeping the set straight, plus your leg is going to have to move that much further to plant again. Believe it or not, the higher I set a move, the lower I reliece the bag. Blurs leave my foot about knee level, stepping burraje about shin level. In other words reliece the bag below your knee, all the height from the set comes from your body. You jump as you set, that's where the bag relieces from your foot, that's where the height comes from. As you jump up and AFTER the bag relieces your dex leg begins to cross over the bag, at the same time your set leg moves to plant countering the momentum of the dex leg. If you set low you can plant the set leg half way through the dex and push off the ground to help move the dex leg up and over the bag. When I first started learning blur I would just do the set over and over again and let it fall, concentrate how I was moving, and that the bag was going straight up and landing where I had set it from. Keep the motion small, keep it clean. Good luck. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:20:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16896 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:20:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12984 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:27:46 -0700 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.73.127.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.73.127]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08522 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006801bf00a3$680fd300$7f49f5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: References: <19990916073752.11240.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hello from Melbourne Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:27:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Mike Long I was wondering if > anyone could tell me where I could get a suede or facile footbag in > Melbourne or surrounding suburbs. I have been playing with the > crotcheted footbags for the last year, and although I have got used to > them I want something better. Please Help Michael Long. > I would recommend getting a footbag off of http://worldfootbag.com/catalog/ From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:21:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16966 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:21:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from nccn2.nccn.net (IDENT:root@nccn2.nccn.net [209.79.220.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24813 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:40:29 -0700 Received: from left (tc2-181.nccn.net [209.79.221.181]) by nccn2.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*rGs* 99.07.16-) with SMTP id PAA14945 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:42:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf0226$55bc9ba0$b5dd4fd1@left> From: "Lon Smith" To: "footbag" Subject: [freestyle] tailconwhip Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:14:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric has some great names here. Atleast I think these are great names and I'll be using them. >- -spinning double leg over(not paradox or.. 'gyro' as some may call it).. :) > >"Whale Tail" > >- -in-spinning mercon.. (how do you spell that?) anyway.. > >"Icon" > >just some thoughts on today's session with Torch and Huge.. :):) > >imon(eric wulff) > >Oh yeah.. in-spinning scorpion tail... "Bullwhip" What is a ducking barfly called Eric? I think I might of hit it cleanly and am dying to hear the awesome names for it. Shred it up yall ShredOnLon From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:21:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16976 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:21:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09436 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:11:04 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIA00101XM9H5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:10:56 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] Gloating To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I would like to see more people talking about what they are hitting. I mean mass amounts of personal kudos. I'm serious!!! It's happened before and some people think it's showing off, but personally it drives and excites me. I get new ideas that I've never considered and want to play more and more. And everyone should do it, from newbies to oldbies. There is such a wide variety of kickers and styles that subscribe to this list so that all of us could benefit from eachothers enthusiasm. So if you're worried about being considered a "chest beater" then just write what you hit and leave it at that. Don't bother with all the other wording if you think it'll make you look pompous. But let's hear some noise. Now these are not necessarily combos, but some new tricks for me. 9 back to back ripwalks, ducking osis, diving osis, pixie whirl, pixie paradon, tapping legover (like a dbl switchover). What about you??? BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:21:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16986 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:21:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24009 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:08:41 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zFYBa29898 (3983) for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d95b271.25168e92@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:08:02 EDT Subject: [freestyle] trick To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org coulnd't find this one on the list, toe>op in>op out>same toe, any help? Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 06:27:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17086 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:27:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17083 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:27:05 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08149 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:37:46 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119 [205.180.137.119]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19358 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990918042707.45473.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990918042707.45473.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:37:18 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super Ashe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:27 PM -0700 9/17/99, Ryan Britt wrote: >Hello everyone. I was just curious about the Super Ashe shoe by Le >Coq Sportif. Has anyone used this shoe before? Please do not *ever* use the Super Ashe. They are no longer being made, which is a GOOD THING. This shoe is *evil*. Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 16:26:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17631 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:26:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-oe13.hotmail.com [216.32.180.117]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23542 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:00:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 40191 invoked by uid 65534); 20 Sep 1999 14:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990920140007.40190.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: References: <1d95b271.25168e92@aol.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] trick Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:52:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > coulnd't find this one on the list, toe>op in>op out>same toe, any help? > > Owen "Total Package" Parrish > double leg over toe set... Danny From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 16:26:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17636 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:26:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15952 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:40:55 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zMRJa06003 (3948) for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93a277f9.2517690d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:40:13 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit clip>op butterfly, infinity I think? Hit weakside paradox mirage, and weakside butterfly, parkwalk, and I almost hit pixi butterfly. Is that enough chest beating? Massive 3 add moves. AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!! Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 16:39:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17711 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:39:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from falcon.lhup.edu (www.student.lhup.edu [151.161.11.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27171 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:46:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (jchemaly@localhost) by falcon.lhup.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id LAA74300; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:25:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: James Chemaly To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. I have been observing the posts for about a month and a half now, and I finally decided to talk back. I have hacked since I played soccer in high school. I picked it up to get better at soccer. Before I even knew what a dex was I was pulling "around the worlds." People thought I was crazy and know one else was into it. This was about seven years ago, and my tricks consisted of around the world, jumping and regular clipper kicks stalls: around the world, left toe, left outside, right inside, neck, hat, forehead, knees, pinches: between the feet, back of knee, mouth. Oh ... and I could make a save almost any where. One time I kicked myself in the back of the head. Don't ask. About a month and a half ago, I found footbag.com. Within a week of watching the videos in slow motion, I was putting together eight to ten moves. Now brad this is where I may need a little help. even after watching a month, I still do not understand the vocab, so I will do my best and you can correct me later. left sidevjumping clipper, jumping left leg over (inside out) right inside kick (dragonfly??), left toe stall, left around the world, left toe stall, left around the world, right inside stall, left leg over (outside in), left side clipper stall, outside left stall, left leg over (inside out) inside left stall, scoop under right leg, reset outside right kick, inside right stall, left side (quick step with right foot for position-necessary?) clipper stall, hat stall, back/neck stall, chest stall, knee stall, inside right stall, left toe stall, left outside -- pooped. There was some phat beats playin and I just went off. I know it may not compare to the pros but hey. Can you tell me the real names of these moves and the technical (op-in out op same- tied differently- sound important) jargon? We should find a way to educate everyone here so we are not the "ignorant ones refered to in emails as of late. Lastly I go to Lock Haven University, near Williamsport, Pa. Are there any gatherings near by? I really want to get together with some real people instead of watchin slow-mo vids all the time. oh yeah ... the vids ... can some one decent make a fid with a dark hack and a white back ground so there is good visibility of the hack and the person? I would make slow mo moves much easier to see. James "Crazy Legs" Chemaly From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Mon Sep 20 22:41:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18431 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:41:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01348 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:27:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 16689 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 1999 18:27:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990920182728.16688.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:27:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: jchemaly@falcon.lhup.edu, kaplanb@mscd.edu Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:27:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, James Chemaly wrote: > About a month and a half ago, I found footbag.com. Within a week >of watching the videos in slow motion, I was putting together eight to ten >moves. .....i sincerely pray that was a typo, and you meant Footbag.ORG. Let us never speak of the unholy "other" again. Ceiling Fan nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 01:43:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18595 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:43:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23555 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:04:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:04:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Wingert To: freestyle@email.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super Ashe In-Reply-To: <199909202332.QAA17668@email.footbag.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah, I was just curious about using this shoe....called...uh....Le Coque Ashe or something. Everybody I've talked to who plays footbag says they're great, especially some really good hacky sackers. Where can I buy a pair? Thanks, Sean :-) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 01:43:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18596 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:43:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail4.kolumbus.fi (mail4.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.47]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13430 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:02:17 -0700 Received: from KONE1 (kd75u2hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [193.229.43.75]) by mail4.kolumbus.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA10999; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:04:05 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <00b501bf03c4$79644130$c38bfea9@KONE1> From: "Juha Linnanen" To: "KAPLAN BRADLEY M" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:01:25 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I would like to see more people talking about what they are hitting. > I mean mass amounts of personal kudos. I'm serious!!! It's happened > before and some people think it's showing off, but personally it drives > and excites me. Ok. I'll tell you something what happened today. I went to normal training session with Justin Sexton, Mika Koistinen and some others. It went just fine .. I didn't hit anything so special (to me) until I practiced my right paradon.. I hit it twice in a row (alot for me - only hit paradon like ten times before or so) and after that Mika suggested to me that I should try blur > paradon combo. I got blur pretty often, but had never really tried paradon after that .. but today was my day :) After some pretty good tries I finally hit it! I was so excited about that (my second 4add combo - first was ripwalk > ripwalk). I started trying all new tricks for me. And it really paid off: I hit left side paradon many times, my first clean barrage, both side symposium mirage, weak side eggbeater and swirl. All those are tricks that I haven't hitted before. Then I hitted some very hard tricks to me like dyno, torque, toe blur and probably something that I can't remember now. Those were some amazing tricks to me. Nothing that big for all you pro guys there :) Hope this still excites someone! Juha Linnanen Props. to Mika for hitting really crazy stuff. Excpecially I liked that 2dex blur (double blur?) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 01:50:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18624 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:50:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18621 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:50:48 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15248 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:01:26 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119 [205.180.137.119]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06807 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:00:56 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super Ashe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:04 PM -0500 9/20/99, Sean Wingert wrote: >Yeah, I was just curious about using this shoe....called...uh....Le Coque >Ashe or something. Everybody I've talked to who plays footbag says they're >great, especially some really good hacky sackers. Where can I buy a pair? They are EVIL. EVIL. Never play with them, EVER. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 06:49:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19261 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:49:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.hctc.com (mail.hctc.com [208.25.168.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22721 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:47:35 -0700 Received: from hctc.com (hccs21.hctc.com [208.25.168.21]) by mail.hctc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21481 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:46:27 -0700 Message-ID: <37E70D72.78C01E6A@hctc.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:45:38 -0600 From: Chris Stearns X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Just curious.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, i have been kicking with a facile juice for a while now and am completely satisfied with the footbag. When my juice finally gets lost or breaks I was just planning on ordering a new one, but I was wondering, do footbags get any better than this? If there is a footbag of better quality I would love some suggestions. What do all of you pros kick with? Any suggestions would be extremely helpful. If you guys were wondering about my skill, I can now hit right and left clippers consistently. I can hit osis's about 1/3rd of the time and I just started hitting right around the world stalls after a lot of struggle. I seem to have a lot of trouble with dexterities. Any help would be MUCH appreciated! One more thing, I have been watching some of the videos on dallasfootbag.org and am extremely awed by some of the things I am seeing!! Those of you of that skill level are incredible and I look up to someday being that good. Thank you for your time. Chris Stearns From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 15:32:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19528 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:32:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28382 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:42:39 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIE00I01LN1JX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:42:37 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating In-reply-to: To: James Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, James wrote: > best and you can correct me later. left sidevjumping clipper flying clipper , jumping > left leg over (inside out) right inside kick (dragonfly??) yes > Can you tell me the real names of these moves and the technical > (op-in out op same- tied differently- sound important) jargon? We > should find a way to educate everyone here so we are not the "ignorant > ones refered to in emails as of late. All the rest of The Jargon seemed to be right on. If you go to footbag.org there is a whole tutorial on the moves and "Job's" notation. That's where I learned to speak FOOTBAGGEZE. Sweet tricks for having just started shred by the way. Keep rockin'! BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 15:32:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19523 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:32:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28234 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:35:26 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIE00A01LAZXD@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:35:23 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating In-reply-to: <00b501bf03c4$79644130$c38bfea9@KONE1> To: Juha Linnanen Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Juha Linnanen wrote: > try blur > paradon combo. I got blur pretty often, but had never really > tried paradon after that .. but today was my day :) After some pretty good Right on, I've been trying for about a week to hit that combo and it keeps slipping away from me. Brad From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 15:32:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19533 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:32:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28471 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:45:57 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIE00001LSJRT@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:45:55 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating In-reply-to: <93a277f9.2517690d@aol.com> To: Owen Parrish Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Owen Parrish wrote: > I hit clip>op butterfly, infinity I think? Hit weakside paradox mirage, and > weakside butterfly, parkwalk, and I almost hit pixi butterfly. Is that > enough chest beating? Massive 3 add moves. AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!! Man I love you enthusiasm! I've seen your mails to the list and I remember you posting your first mirage. Now you're hitting weak side pdx mirage!!! Way to go man. Keep it up and teach the world. BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 18:12:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19926 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:12:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07237 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:46:49 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990921154648.VTQE5655.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:46:48 -0700 Message-ID: <37E7ABB8.6A2E7E9F@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:00:56 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Just curious.. References: <37E70D72.78C01E6A@hctc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Chris Stearns wrote: > > Hi, i have been kicking with a facile juice for a while now and am > completely satisfied with the footbag. When my juice finally gets lost > or breaks I was just planning on ordering a new one, but I was > wondering, do footbags get any better than this? Yes, footbags come in all shapes and sizes. You said that you have a facile juice. This is one of the better footbags on the market. In fact, I would say that it is one of the best that you can buy easily. Any bag that is made out of *facile* is going to be pretty good. You can also get a Stork off of http://www.worldfootbag.com Storks are another good quality facile bag. OR, you can go to a tournament. Most big freestyle tournaments (Western Regionals and Worlds) draw in the best players. These tournaments also bring in the vendors. Carol W. makes some grrrr-eat bags that I would recommend to anyone. Richard Abshire also makes some quality bags. The thing is that they sell these bags as soon as they go to a tournament. So, why would they want to deal with mailing them and stuff like that? If you want one of these bags, go to one of these tournaments. A new vendor is on the market - Paul Mestas (Mr. Sandman) of Revolution Shred Bags. You can find some of his bags on worldfootbag.com He uses a machine to sew bags that he fills with sand. Since he uses a machine, no sand leaks out (this is the big problem with other sand/dirt filled bags). I haven't really had a chance to break in these new Revolution bags, but I'm thinking that they are going to be pretty good. His number is 303-487-0326. He does mail order. > What do all of you > pros kick with? We of the Dallas Footbag Club prefer a good year old Carol bag. But, if it gets windy, nothing beats a slightly heavier sand filled Revolution bag. Hope this helps. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Tue Sep 21 18:12:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19931 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:12:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08167 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:14:53 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990921161451.WDPI5655.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:14:51 -0700 Message-ID: <37E7B24C.E7F2CC01@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:29:00 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Whoa! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Owen Parrish wrote: > > Alright, I've been watching this '98 UQAM Jam video. This is some amazing > stuff. If you like that, you should get Sultans of Shred. Every year, the standards go up. Write to ezshredz@yahoo.com and ask about the video. Or, wait for a bit until the NEW tape comes out with footage from this year's worlds. I think Boulder Blades is going to put one out before Christmas. > And it got me wondering somethings. Is everyone at Worlds and other > tournys incredible like all the guys in this video? Am I weird for not being > able to link 40 tricks in a row? Yeah, everyone is a badass. If you can't do 50 moves tripless, don't even bother showing up. Just so you know, I'm kidding. Worlds is the ULTIMATE place to learn. You go and kick with people from all over the world. Everyone is cool so they will teach you some stuff. Some people are working on around the world, others are working on linking sixes. There is something for everyone of every skill level. And, when you get too sore to play, you can sit back and watch the top pros go at it. I can't say it enough... Worlds is GREAT! If you want to improve at this sport, you have to go to tournaments. Period. Worlds is the best tournament, so you will get more out of it than any of the others. But, if you want to start small, go to Texas State this October. Check out http://www.footbag.org/events for more details. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 06:39:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20604 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:39:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22292 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:44:31 -0700 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.68.196.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.68.196]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24809 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001601bf048b$29d121c0$c444f5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Mirage Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:43:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by email.footbag.org id GAB20604 Hey guys, I'm just starting to pull off mirages. I can get right foot around the world stall too. I was wondering if you have any tips for a paradox mirage. I can do the clipper set but its hard to get it to go underneath my leg hehe. Ack ack SCORPIANS TAIL. Thanks Sam Colclough http://www.penny-lane.com/sam http://mp3.com/hs From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 06:39:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20609 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:39:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25734 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:10:11 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zYQCX9kDT_ (3927) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:09:36 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can anyone give me help with double dex moves like smear, double legover, and such? Oh yeah, for the guys, i found these spandex shorts, made by asics. They're great for wearing under your shorts while shredding. They really support. I know I've suffered many a time when I was bouncing too much. Sorry ladies if taht was too offensive. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 15:41:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20944 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:41:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06612 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:50:54 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIG00H01GOS6V@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 03:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 03:50:52 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Mirage In-reply-to: <001601bf048b$29d121c0$c444f5d1@Sam> To: Sam Colclough Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Sam Colclough wrote: > Hey guys, I'm just starting to pull off mirages. I can get right foot around the world stall too. I was wondering if you have any tips for a paradox mirage. I can do the clipper set but its hard to get it to go underneath my leg hehe. Ack ack SCORPIANS TAIL. Thanks And somewhere in this you asked about paradox mirages. I had the worst time getting them and they actually came to me late in my game. As a matter of fact I was hitting blizzard and blur before pdx mirage. I finally started hitting them by setting and planting before I did the dexterity. Then it just feels like a regular mirage (to me anyway). Eventually to you won't need to plant first, but it did help me in the beginning. Hope this helps. BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 15:41:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20949 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:41:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06852 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 03:04:30 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIG00301HBG8U@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:04:28 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex In-reply-to: To: Owen Parrish Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Owen Parrish wrote: > Can anyone give me help with double dex moves like smear, double legover, and > such? Yes, move your legs faster!!! No seriously!!! Actually each trick comes with a different bit of advice. For smear I'd suggest working your pixie sets. Just the set, the rest is a mirage. Personally I watched Darryl Genz do smears over and over and noticed the only difference between his and mine were how quickly he did the set. Just work it until you can get it up to your belly button, and make sure you put your set foot back down ASAP. Dbl. legover from toe set? Again plant your set foot ASAP so you can work on the dexes right away. Clipper set? Work on your quick stepping move. I'm sure you have tapes so watch how a blur or ripwalk is done and just concentrate on that first step. > They're great for wearing under your shorts while shredding. They really > support. I know I've suffered many a time when I was bouncing too much. > Sorry ladies if taht was too offensive. Nonsense, woman love to hear about our groin problems. It's somehow soothing!!! Later, BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 15:41:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20954 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:41:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f25.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.25]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12786 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 05:26:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 26874 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 1999 12:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990922122600.26873.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.78 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 05:26:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.78] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New move? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 05:26:00 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, New move, well probably not, but you tell me. I can only describe this move as a reverse osis. Start in cliper position, but instead of catching the bag there spin away from the bag catch it behind your back and end in a frigid osis. Visiually it looks a whole lot like a osis played backwards. I'm assuming this has already been hit so I just wanted to ask about the name, I've been calling it an enosis (en of course being the middle german verb neagation prefix). Is there already a cool name out there? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 19:56:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21444 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:56:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f164.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.164]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23189 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:11:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 64080 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 1999 18:10:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990922181045.64079.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:10:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, SuperOwen@aol.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:10:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Brad advised for clipper set dlo: Clipper set? Work on your quick stepping >move. I'm sure you have tapes so watch how a blur or ripwalk is done and >just concentrate on that first step. I would actually advise against this. I honestly think it is more worthwhile to learn the all-in-one motion versions of moves like eggbeater, dlo, whirl, drifter, and torque before you learn the "set" versions of these moves. The advantage of the "motion" (original recipe) versions of these moves, is that you can execute them after a set, thereby opening the door to harder moves like bedwetter and tombstone. While the "set" versions (extra crispy) usually end in a more solid delay, which makes them easier to play out of. Pixie and blurry sets will eventually come, and when you do get them well, you will regret not having more basic tools to play around with after the set. If you want to eventually hit moves like haze, flaming tard, bedwetter, fog, smog, gauntlet, or storque, then you have to learn the all-in-one motion style of doing tricks. Keep shredding hard everybody, Ken C-Fan Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 19:59:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21455 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:59:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25092 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:05:50 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zOTSa11143 (4264) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:05:06 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, You know, I still think it's funny that owen calls himself "the Total Package", but the end to this letter put me over the top. ;) just kidding. How is it these juniors are getting so good so fast! it blows my mind. I personally would put my bid on windsen pan winning worlds in 2003 or 4, the kid's rate of progression is astounding to say the least. Good luck to all you little wannabe shredders (sorry, it's steve's term, I think it applies) who make me feel inferior ;) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 20:36:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21551 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:36:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26537 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:35:46 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zSIYa09808 (3962) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <426ed7dd.251a8970@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:35:12 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org u think it's funny now. I'm seriously the skinniest kid I've ever met. As to progressing so fast. Not really. It's been an uphill battle. I started freestyle last summer, shredded on and off. By winter I could do mirage, pixi, atw, clip. all only strong side. then this summer I picked up all that stuff on my weakside, plus paradox mirage, and butttefly, and pixi butterfly. So really it's two summers of work. anyways, bring it windsen. That kid is pretty incredible. He started just THIS summer. I'd bet on him.. Anyways, keep shredding. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Wed Sep 22 20:36:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21561 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:36:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f237.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.237]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26961 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:43:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 32277 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 1999 19:42:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990922194242.32276.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:42:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.62] From: "Ian Dubman" To: footbug@hotmail.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:42:41 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If you want to eventually hit moves like haze, >flaming tard, >bedwetter, fog, smog, gauntlet, or storque, then you have to learn Pardon me while I profess my ignorance, but what in the hell is a 'flaming tard', besides derogatory towards our mentally impaired peers. IAn D. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 01:19:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21781 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:19:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04462 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:51:40 -0700 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.65.193.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.65.193]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27057 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001801bf0555$54460fe0$c141f5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] Hard Moves Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:51:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys! I have tricks of the trade and I'm still working on the 2 and 3 add moves but I was wondering if there is a video that demonstrates harder moves. For instance: 5, 6, and 7 adds. I here a lot of talk about moves that are unknown to me in these messages and the only ones that I am familiar with are the ones in Tricks of the Trade. Any help? I did download all the videos and footbag.org. Thanks a lot! Sam Colclough http://www.penny-lane.com/sam http://mp3.com/dsh From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 01:19:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21782 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:19:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03744 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:25:11 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zCGMa29059 (4509) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c7d647c.251abe66@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:21:10 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Gloating To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Today I hit pixi clipper (I think there should be an actual name for this) and legover. I thought I had hit pixi clipper before, but it was really pixi butterfly. Speaking of pixi butterfly. toe>same in>same out>op clip is parkwalk? and toe>same in>op out>op clip is dullwalk? dimwalk? I need some clearing here. Thanks. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 02:09:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21866 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:09:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06915 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:56:36 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990923005634.CKF16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:56:34 -0700 Message-ID: <37E97E1C.FDF2D1D0@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:10:52 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] names for pixie moves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Owen Parrish wrote: > > Today I hit pixi clipper (I think there should be an actual name for this) Pixie which clipper? Was it pixie same clipper (feels a bit like a drifter) or pixie op clipper (feels like a whirl)? I agree, they do need names... if you want to come up with a name and people generally seem to like it, I'll put it on the moves list. > Speaking of pixi butterfly. toe>same in>same out>op clip is > parkwalk? Well, you need a plant in there too. So, parkwalk is: toe> same in (plant) > same out > op clip > and toe>same in>op out>op clip is dullwalk? dimwalk? None of the above. Pixe op butterfly is simply called a pixie butterfly. Someone mentioned the dimwalk name a while back, but due to an overwhelming negative response, the name was rejected. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 02:22:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21902 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:22:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f181.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08011 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:25:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 75758 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 01:25:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923012508.75757.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:25:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: SuperOwen@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:25:07 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, Owen asked: > toe>same in>same out>op clip is >parkwalk? and toe>same in>op out>op clip is dullwalk? dimwalk? Yes, the first one is parkwalk. The second one is Pixie Butterfly. Earlier I mentioned a move called "Flaming Tard." This is a stepping eggbeater. I don't particularly like the name myself, but that's what I've been told it is called. And going back to the Haze vs Fog debate, I actually think stepping eggbeater is harder than bedwetter. Ken CF Somolinos New York Footbag Association From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 05:58:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22343 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:58:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13112 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:39:33 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990923043932.DSXL16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:39:32 -0700 Message-ID: <37E9B25F.B8E2C666@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:53:51 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello All! I was under the impression that every move on the moves list at http://footbag.org/movelist/ - except nemesis - has been hit. Then, I got to looking through the list. Have people really hit pdx high plains drifter? pdx blurry whirl? big apple sauce? nemesis? Hmmm... just wondering. On a side note - If anyone sees a problem in the moves list (such as an incorrect description or wrong add count), please email to me derric@dallasfootbag.org ***BUT, if you have a suggested name, please email it to the whole list. I will update the move list, but I don't want to have to decide on names for moves. The list is for everyone, and everyone should have a say in it. So, again, please post all suggested names - or new moves - to freestyle@footbag.org so that we can get input from everyone. And about the names that aren't really PC - wifebeater, flaming tard, fairybeater, the whole smeg thing, etc... I'm not going to put those names up. So, if anyone has any suggested names for these, bring it on - suggestions should be mailed to the freestyle list, of course. Thanks. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 06:49:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22412 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:49:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14160 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:14:53 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIH00D01YKSVU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:14:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:14:52 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex In-reply-to: <19990922181045.64079.qmail@hotmail.com> To: KeN Somolinos Cc: SuperOwen@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, KeN Somolinos wrote: > I would actually advise against this. I honestly think it is more > worthwhile to learn the all-in-one motion versions of moves like eggbeater, > dlo, whirl, drifter, and torque before you learn the "set" versions of these > moves. Yeah but this is a style preference. No matter how hard I tried I could not get eggbeater into a string until I started hitting it Atomic style. Same with torque (extra Crispy). The advantage of the "motion" (original recipe) versions of these > moves, is that you can execute them after a set, thereby opening the door to > harder moves like bedwetter and tombstone. While the "set" versions (extra > crispy) usually end in a more solid delay, which makes them easier to play > out of. So I'm confused! It sound like you agree with me here. Pixie and blurry sets will eventually come, and when you do get > them well, you will regret not having more basic tools to play around with > after the set. Again I think there is a style preference here. And if you are having trouble landing the trick one way, then try the other and see how it works for you. I have to say from my experience that learning that quick pixie set only improved my game and made all those moves EASIER to play and play out of. > bedwetter, fog, smog, gauntlet, or storque, then you have to learn the What're gauntlet and storque? Later, BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 06:54:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22427 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:54:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f72.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA15741 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:55:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 49735 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 05:55:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923055507.49734.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:55:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dex and Spandex Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:55:06 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi. Brad inquired: > What're gauntlet and storque? > Gauntlet is a blurry torque with a duck between the dexes. Stepping ducking pdx torque. It has 7 clear add components, and Dave hits it in Sultans of Shred. Storque is stepping torque, I've heard Tuan was the first to hit this a long time ago. Ken CF Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 07:04:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22472 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:04:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f260.hotmail.com [209.185.130.176]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA16116 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:10:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 39313 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 06:10:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923061006.39312.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.36.147.200 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:10:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.36.147.200] From: "Lynton Stephens" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move list suggestions Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:10:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers, Why do I get the feeling this thread could go on forever!! I can't wait to hear some of the crazy new moves out there. Anyway, I have some suggestions. I have hit all of these moves (in lavers), but with varying degrees of (un)reliability. I'm certain that many of these have been hit before by other people, especially the atomic stuff (by Tuan, Adrian, Sunil, Eli perhaps). Also, I guess the question must be asked, when does a move need a name? I reckon anything 4 words long, or with 3 long words is awkward and might be better off named. Anyway, here goes: * Pixie Diving Mirage (aka Assassin) TOE > SAME IN > (dive) > OP IN > OP TOE * Fairy Diving Mirage (aka Guillotine) TOE > SAME OUT > (dive) > OP IN > OP TOE The 2 above can also be hit symposium. * Atomic Ducking Mirage (aka Skull Smasher) TOE > OP OUT > (?duck/?dive) > OP IN > OP TOE (don't smash yourself in the teeth with your knee! I oughta know) * Atomic set inspinning mirage (aka Neutron Smasher) TOE > OP OUT > (inspin) > OP IN > OP TOE * Fairy spinning mirage (aka Torus) TOE > SAME OUT > (backspin) > OP IN > OP TOE * Fairy symposium eggbeater (aka Juggernaut) TOE > SAME OUT > (no plant while) OP OUT > OP OUT > SAME TOE * Tapping double mirage (Tappage I suppose) TOE > OP OUT > SAME IN > SAME IN > OP TOE * Tapping double leg over (I haven't got a name for it) TOE > OP OUT > SAME IN > OP OUT > SAME TOE * Atomic double leg over TOE > OP OUT > OP IN > OP OUT > SAME TOE (Adrian Dick I think was the first person to hit this. He might have a suggestion. I thought Predator would be nice.) * Diving Double Leg Over I'm sure other people have hit this, it might already have a name, but what about "Cascade"? I heard Dave Holton hit it blurry! * Double miraging switch over (Toe Flurry) TOE > OP IN > SAME IN > OP OUT > SAME TOE * Pixie double mirage (Smearage) TOE > SAME IN > OP IN > SAME IN > OP TOE * Atomic symp reverse mirage/backside symp omelette (aka Trochus) TOE > OP OUT > (no plant while) OP OUT > OP TOE * Atomic symp mirage/backside symp atom smasher (aka Witchdoctor) TOE > OP OUT > (no plant while) > OP IN > OP TOE Also a frontide trochus and frontide witchdoctor (first dex symposium instead of the second) I've got some others, and some I'm close to but this post is too long already. Bring on some more suggestions and keep dicing out the psychotic combos everyone! Shred onwards, Lynton (MFC - Melbourne Footbag Club) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 07:40:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22552 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:40:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17033 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:41:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 89521 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 06:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923064111.89520.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:41:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: mfcshred@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list suggestions Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:41:10 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Lynton wrote: >* Diving Double Leg Over > I'm sure other people have hit this, it might already have a name, > but what about "Cascade"? I heard Dave Holton hit it blurry! Damn it! Like a ducking fog? Could somebody tell me what stepping duck/dive move have already been hit and by whom? It'd save me a lot of pain physically and otherwise. Ken "ceiling fan" Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 16:43:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22902 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:43:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from china.ecd.rockwell.com (firewall-user@china.ec.rockwell.com [209.31.92.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01281 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:40:05 -0700 Received: by china.ecd.rockwell.com; id KAA25799; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:34:20 -0500 Received: from borg.switch.rockwell.com(131.198.119.64) by china.ecd.rockwell.com via smap (4.1) id xma025586; Thu, 23 Sep 99 10:33:42 -0500 Received: from pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com (pcklokow [131.198.116.31]) by borg.switch.rockwell.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00228 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:38:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF05AF.2EBCBD00.klokow@ec.rockwell.com> From: Dan Klokow Reply-To: "klokow@ec.rockwell.com" To: "Freestyle (E-mail)" Subject: [freestyle] sets.. Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:34:13 -0500 Organization: Rockwell X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup guys, I just had a quick question about sets. When I do a normal clipper set I use the front part of the foot up by the toe, but when I do a blur set I am using the back, or almost the heel of my shoe. This makes things much easier for me, but does this make my move 'the'? I know I should use the frontal portion of my shoe for the blur sets also, but I am not that flexible yet. it is also much easier for me to stay over the bag when I pull a ripwalk or a blur. Is this common? Should I change my ways or ??? Thanks, Dan Klokow Klokow@ec.rockwell.com From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 17:15:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23130 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:15:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03191 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:23:19 -0700 Received: from postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.246]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id JAA07776; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id JAA11966; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAh4oZJzFFO7smRPvlmZUFuIU3DHACFDnafX7i7ueoPsw/v2mJNgGUdfrJ From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (GF Smoothie) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:23:18 -0400 (EDT) To: klokow@ec.rockwell.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sets.. Message-ID: <10247-37EA53F6-1719@postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Dan Klokow 's message of Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:34:13 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >when I do a blur set I am using the back, >or almost the heel of my shoe. This >makes things much easier for me, but >does this make my move "the" ? What makes the move "the" is that the dexterity does not cross the plane of the bag. GF From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Thu Sep 23 23:57:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23506 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:57:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31012 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:09:14 -0700 Received: from postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id HAA07214; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id HAA12714; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (GF Smoothie) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:09:05 -0400 (EDT) To: SuperOwen@aol.com (Owen Parrish) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating Message-ID: <19911-37EA3481-5890@postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Owen Parrish 's message of Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:21:10 EDT Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >toe>same in>op out>op clip is dullwalk? >dimwalk? I need some clearing here. >Thanks. Always called this Dimwalk. GF From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:26:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23564 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:26:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: William Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11018 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:59:41 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:59:29 -0400 Message-ID: <239F4317F94BD211A99A00104B7234404950F2@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Gloating... ;) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:59:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Guys, So I hit this move which i am not sure is the name right clip > same(left leg-support) out-in dex > toe stall (dex leg) (clip > op in dex > same toe --- is the correct notation... Hell, it was basically half a ripwalk! Anyways it felt so good when i did it spontaneously! And it was Sooooo perfect. What made it so good was problaby my set from the clipper though cause it went straight up (I am still working on my clipper stalls sadly) and the leg easily and quickly did the dex (with baggy pants :) ) and the stall was like a scoop. The same thing happen to me about two months ago with the clipper stalls. the first time i tried them they were awesome then later that day I couln't hit them for beans... Altough i can hit clipper and flyng clipper and leg over clippers and around the worlds and stalls (everywhere including knees, working on the heel, hehe) I still need to perfect them on both side (one side is slightly weaker) escpecially my clipper stalls. Anyways I didn't mean to blab on so much. Just needed to share my meage accomplishments. :) PS. Does this move have a name? Stall between thighs (squating position) then as you rise you do leg over clipper? Thanks for listening WillPower (William Wells) From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:26:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23574 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:26:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tony Glick Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id bIHM0oqQXt (3964) for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <179c081a.251bebdb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:47:23 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Move name To: freestyle@email.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey ya'll, long time no type. Ken mentioned a tombstone....what is it? Back to studying......forever.... Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:28:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23590 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:28:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13692 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:08:20 -0700 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) id PAA07897 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:08:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Jon Schneider Message-Id: <199909232108.PAA07897@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [freestyle] Move list suggestions To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:08:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi all. well, here goes. a swirl to dragon, that is, clip > same back-to-front swirl > same cross-body outside stall (dragon). I call this one a SPITFIRE. and before i go on, a little clarification: the Job's notation seems to mostly consider dexterities that are not done cross-body, calling everything "in to out" or "out to in". in the case of swirls "front to back" and "back to front" seem to better describe to motion. but for the sake of uniformity, i'll call dexes done in a cross body position "in to out", or just "in" if it goes from "back to front" as does the typical swirl of a Whirling Swirl, for instance, and cross-body dexes from back to front, like the Twirl, i'll call "Out to In", or just "Out". ya got that? if this doesn't work for somebody, fine, we'll change it later. for now, this is what i'll use. anyway, a reverse swirl to dragon (probably easiest from a dragon to begin with), clip (or dragon) > same OUT > same dragon, i call a SNAP DRAGON. catching a Dragon stall and scooping it around to an outside stall in one motion i call a DRAKE. some might see this a the dragon version of an osis, and i'm not sure myself how i'd like to see it catagorized for the sake of adds, but i see it really as more of a cross-body rake than an osis, because an osis starts non-cross-body and finishes in the cross possition, but like a cross-body rake, the DRAKE starts cross-body and ends non-cross-body. anyway, it seems essentially to be a "dragon cross-body rake", hence DRAKE. the opposite of this is what i would call a dragon osis, only I call it a DRAG. clip > (back) spin > op dragon. just like the notation for osis on the moves list: clip > (back)spin > op clipper a butterfly stall ending in a dragon rather than a clipper I call a FIREFLY. of course, dragonfly would have fit better, but the dragonfly has already been taken, damn it. toe> op out > op dragon combine a firefly with a drake and of course you've got a FIREDRAKE. this is a firefly that you don't stall and stay in a cross-body position, but rather catch in a cross-body and scoop it around your back to an outside delay. this is arguably easier than actually stopping in a cross-body outside stall, but i'm in no mood now to debate the "add system vs. actuall difficuly of moves" here. a drifter-dragon i call a DRAGSTER a torque with a DRAG instead of an Osis at the end i've simply been calling a DORK for lack of a better name, but if anyone's got one... and combining a SPITFIRE with a DRAKE, that is, swirl to dragon and keep going till you're in an outside delay, i call FLAME THROWER. seemed for fit with SPITFIRE, and aren't dragons just the original flame throwers and spitfires anyway? lastly, for now, a ripstein to dragon, clip > same in > same in > same dragon, i call a DRAGONSTEIN. and by the way, i've been hitting a reverse ripstein, i call it REVSTEIN, as in REVerse ripSTEIN to differentiate. i've only hit this from a dragon, dragon > same out > same out > same clip, cause its easier for me to do a reverse swirl from a dragon than from a clipper, and its a cool way to play out of a dragonstein. catch ya later dudes Jonathan Schneider p.s. i don't think CROSS-BODY RAKE is on the moves list. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:28:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23600 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:28:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13981 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:13:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 88709 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 21:13:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923211306.88708.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:13:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.62] From: "Ian Dubman" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list--Toe Blur etc. Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:13:06 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Derric said... >***BUT, if you have a suggested name, please email it to the whole >list. I will update the move list, but I don't want to have to decide >on names for moves. The list is for everyone, and everyone should have >a say in it. Derric and all I am not sure if Sunil, or anyone else, has named the miraging set yet(as in toe blur, or toe blurriest for Mr Tsunami). Have you got a name Sunil? If not, I propose a slightly altered version of its counterpart, the atomic set, that was suggested offhandedly by Derrick Fogle yesterday--'sub-atomic'. Or, maybe my own suggestion--the 'slap'--in relation to 'tap'. So, rather than toe (set) stepping butterfly, or miraging same side butterfly if you prefer, (one of the few toe set moves I began hitting a couple weeks ago, but had difficulty naming). So, we would have 'sub-atomic butterfly' (I am kind of against this because all atomic moves I can think of have a constituent on the opp leg after the atomic dex). What a run-on sentence. Or for more cosistency we could have 'slapdown', similar to the 'tapdown' but with initial dex going in-out as opposed to out-in. Hell, we could use both. One for same-side and other for opp side. If it is named already, cool. If not, please consider these alternatives, and let me know what you think. My own 2 cents... I really like 'slap...' for same side moves. Could even have just a 'slap'(like 'tap', but rather toe>opp in(dex)>same out(dex)>opp toe(del))--a phatty three in my book (this move is still conceptual for me, though very close to reality). I can see this possibly taking away from 'toe blur' and 'toe torque' and other such names, but it really doesn't have to. Toe blur=slapping mirage; toe stepping osis=slapping osis. Or, crispy toe torque=sub-atomic osis; toe set stepping opposite whirl=sub-atomic whirl--though I think toe-set describes SOME moves equally well, if not better,(why add lengthy wording to toe blur and toe blurriest)... Cogitate on it bit and then throw out some words of opposition or praise. Later, Ian D. MUFF From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:28:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23610 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:28:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14545 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:27:02 -0700 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29614; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:27:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:27:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating In-Reply-To: <19990923012508.75757.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, since someone said they wanted to hear people gloating, I will. I recently hit spinning cross-body rake (whirling dirvish?), ducking paradox mirage, diving paradox mirage, pixie osis, and pixie butterfly. Later From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:28:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23620 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:28:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16116 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:12:05 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zDLWGlti9_ (4069) for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:11:08 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Pixi Clipper To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org HOw bout a nem for pixi clipper. Loner. Cause it's with one leg, and it has a drifter feel, and a drifter is a loner Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:28:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23630 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:28:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18446 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:06:12 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990923230603.PKKE16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:06:03 -0700 Message-ID: <37EAB5BF.3B36A4CC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:20:31 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This was sent to me. Anyone have any ideas on names for these moves? Symposium Legbeater (Frontside) Toe > (no plant while) op out dex > op out dex > op clip del Atomic Drifter Toe > op out dex > op in dex > same clip del Atomic Torque Toe > op out dex > op in dex > (spin) op clip del Again, please send any move that needs to be added to the moves list to freestyle@footbag.org (is that ok Steve?) I want everyone to know what moves are being hit and what they are going to be called. It serves little purpose to send new moves and new names only to me. Thanks. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:28:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23640 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:28:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18721 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:11:21 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990923231120.PMLB16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:11:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37EAB6FC.F9AB3CB9@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:25:48 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sets.. References: <01BF05AF.2EBCBD00.klokow@ec.rockwell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dan Klokow wrote: > > Sup guys, > I just had a quick question about sets. When I do a normal clipper set I > use the front part of the foot up by the toe, but when I do a blur set I am > using the back, or almost the heel of my shoe. This makes things much > easier for me, but does this make my move 'the'? The concept of 'the' refers only to the dexterity. If you try to circle the bag, but you don't really get around it - like if you do the dexterity above the bag - it is called 'the'. Probably the easiest move to 'the' is a double over down type of move (paradon, barfly, blurriest, etc). As far as where you stall the bag on your foot, do what is easiest for you. On the blur set... as long as you are releasing the bag before you do the dexterity, it is clean. Otherwise, if you do the dex while releasing the bag or before releasing the bag, you are 'slurring' the set. I guess you can think of a slur kind of like the'ing a blur set. Gotta love the lingo. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:42:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23798 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:42:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23794 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:42:37 -0700 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20498 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:53:06 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07002 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37EAB6FC.F9AB3CB9@dallasfootbag.org> References: <01BF05AF.2EBCBD00.klokow@ec.rockwell.com> <37EAB6FC.F9AB3CB9@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:52:31 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] sets.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:25 PM -0500 9/23/99, Derric Scalf wrote: >The concept of 'the' refers only to the dexterity. I think "the" means you didn't hit the trick you were trying for, and that whatever you hit was way easier. It's *usually* involving the fact that you didn't really do a dexterity, but not always. Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:48:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23855 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:48:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20589 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:55:35 -0700 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:55:09 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823375AF4@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'William Wells'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Gloating... ;) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:55:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Speaking of hitting rare tricks... Last night I was kicking with Stuart Macferson.. and he landed a Barroque - catching the bag on his heel (and keeping it delayed there for several seconds while we all stood there with our jaws hanging open)... I classify that as 6 adds - the 6th being unusual surface... Anyways, not really worth adding to the move list, but a rare sight indeed. From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 00:48:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23865 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:48:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20734 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:57:46 -0700 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:57:23 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823375AF6@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Derric Scalf'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move list Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:57:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Atomic Torque = Silo I just call the others what the are called below...but if you need a name for them... Atomic Drifter = Kiwi Symposium Legbeater = Legbreaker From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 01:45:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23975 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:45:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f61.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23316 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:48:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 64289 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 00:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924004752.64288.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:47:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move names Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:47:52 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Stylers! There have been many move name suggestions lately, and many inquiries about established moves. Here are a few accepted "cool" names of moves not found on the move list on footbag.org: Stepping Down Double Down-Blurrier Toe set Blurriest-Plasma Stepping drifter-Tombstone (like a high plains drifter with a plant between the dexes) Spinning (not gyro) Torque-Marius Spinning (not gyro) drifter-Lotus Pixie same side butterfly- Parkwalk Stepping Double leg over- Haze Stepping Ducking Pdx mirage -Spy Camera (blur with a duck between the dexes) Stepping ducking Pdx Reverse Mirage -Avalanche (blizzard with a duck between the dexes.) Pixie Double Legover-Smog Stepping same side leg over-Schmoe Diving leg over-Decepticon Spinning leg over-Merkon Stepping ducking eclipse- Apocalypse Stepping ducking pdx torque- Gauntlet Pixie x-body rake-Swerve Butterfly ending in a sole delay-Sole Train Symposium Scorpion Tail- Poisonous Toad Symposium Barfly- Superfly Spinning Symposium Mirage- Little Apple Symposium Mobius- Big Apple Dragon-set swirling pdx mirage- Twist Double pixie toe- Tarrage Double pixie leg over- Enterrage Pdx Reverse Drifter- Royale Pdx Reverse Drifter Swirl- Royale with Cheese Pdx Flux-Influx Also, the list incorrectly places blurry eggbeater in the 4 add move section, failing to count the pdx add. Blurry eggbeater is a bedwetter, but the list description for bedwetter is a blurrage where the last 2 dexes are in the other direction. The list calls diving down double down "Down Diver Down," when it should just be called "Down Diver." The list also incorrectly calls a symposium reverse mirage "flail." Flail is PS reverse mirage. Bubba symposium reverse mirage is "Zoik!" Josh Penney named these last two moves, and I don't think many other people hit them. Hope this helps some. Ken "CF" Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 02:59:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24048 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25355 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:35:57 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990924013556.RKGW16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:35:56 -0700 Message-ID: <37EAD8E1.6E076525@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:50:25 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names References: <19990924004752.64288.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: > > Stepping same side leg over-Schmoe Does it matter which direction you do the legover? Or is a Schmoe a general term for stepping in legover AND stepping out legover? > Dragon-set swirling pdx mirage- Twist Which direction do you swirl? Front to back or back to front? Does it matter? > Pdx Reverse Drifter Swirl- Royale with Cheese Has anyone hit this? That would be a sick move. Thanks for the input Ken. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 03:23:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24106 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 03:23:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f254.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27751 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:27:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 9638 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 02:26:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924022637.9637.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:26:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:26:37 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Some clarification > > > > Stepping same side leg over-Schmoe > >Does it matter which direction you do the legover? Or is a Schmoe a >general term for stepping in legover AND stepping out legover? Good question. I learned it to be only the out to in leg over direction. > > Dragon-set swirling pdx mirage- Twist > >Which direction do you swirl? Front to back or back to front? Does it >matter? Another good question. The only way i've seen it done is back to front, but I've only seen Jon Schneider do this. > > Pdx Reverse Drifter Swirl- Royale with Cheese > >Has anyone hit this? That would be a sick move. > I have it on good faith that the Disco Ninja has indeed hit this. I'm pretty sure all the moves I listed have been hit. CF nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 05:25:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24421 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:25:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31669 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:23:50 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 8JJHlQvOo_ (3862); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4b44a478.251c56b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:23:13 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What about big apple sauce? ~Me From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 06:16:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24523 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:16:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02159; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:18:27 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iAIEa26655 (3862); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:36:31 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names To: footbug@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/23/99 4:56:46 PM, footbug@hotmail.com wrote: <> P.S. (If you haven't already deleted my email just by noticing the name, the agony is half over) A blurry down diver down should be dubbe "Holy Down Diver Down" or just Holy Down Diver (for any of you who listen metal and know the band Dio) P.S.S. yes... I "am" lame...I'm a teenager I have a right to be gloating: (this is me) smear>magellan> pix. butterfly> clip, set dbl legover>smog From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 17:24:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25877 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:24:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11806 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 03:42:15 -0700 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zWVGa23994 (4325) for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6c83214e.251caf61@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:41:37 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloating... ;) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I think the legover clipper you refer to is more commonoly known as butterfly. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 17:24:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25887 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:24:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13086 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:15:48 -0700 Received: from 206.151.158.49 (ip43.mind.net [206.151.158.49]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA05491 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: <37EAFAAB.2343@mind.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:14:41 +0000 From: Forest Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list References: <37E9B25F.B8E2C666@dallasfootbag.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone. Here is a 5 add trick that I did not see on the moves list and I don't think it has been named yet. toe>op out>same in>spin>opxbody>del I bet I totally messed up on my jobs notation but thats ok because it is late and I am a little drunk. The move is basically a tapping torque. From left toe> right leg op out tap the ground> go back over the bag with right leg the op direction> twist into a left foot osis. I call it a "spinaltap". I suppose the paradox version (6 add) is possible but I have not hit it. I think a good name for it would be "circuit breaker". I had a question about the move "Yoda" (pixie>mirage>butterfly) I do a similar move in Sultans of Shred but I do it more dada style. I do not plant the catching foot after doing the mirage. Is this the same move as Yoda? I have never seen anyone do Yoda so I can't compare the two directly. Let me know what think and correct me if the moves I named have allready been named. Shred on. Forest From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 17:24:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25882 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:24:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postoffice2.direcpc.com (mail.direcpc.com [198.77.116.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12059 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 03:51:54 -0700 Received: from hh1114112 ([206.71.114.112]) by postoffice2.direcpc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-45425U50000L50000S0) with SMTP id AAA3616; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:53:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990924065321.009e63c0@mail.direcpc.com> X-Sender: mavery@mail.direcpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:54:00 -0700 To: "KeN Somolinos" From: Matt Avery Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19990924004752.64288.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Spinning (not gyro) Torque-Marius Isnt spinning legover marius? Matt From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 17:57:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25982 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:57:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25979 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:57:04 -0700 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25686 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:07:30 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17551 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990924065321.009e63c0@mail.direcpc.com> References: <4.1.19990924065321.009e63c0@mail.direcpc.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:07:03 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:54 AM -0700 9/24/99, Matt Avery wrote: > >Spinning (not gyro) Torque-Marius > >Isnt spinning legover marius? Huh? Maybe you're thining of MERKON? Marius is spinning paradox torque. Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 20:00:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26109 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:00:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25083 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:49:46 -0700 Received: from NO-KNIFE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05263; Fri, 24 Sep 99 12:49:38 EDT Received: (from bugpowdr@localhost) by no-knife.mit.edu (8.9.3) id MAA24395; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909241649.MAA24395@no-knife.mit.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Boston Freestyle Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:49:44 -0400 From: Samuel Andrew Hires Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I've been lurking on this list for over a year, and sent out a call for Boston kickers to contact me. So here I go again. If you are in the Boston area and interested in starting a freestyle club, please contact me at bugpowdr@mit.edu I've got some kids who are floating around the 2-low3 add range and one other kid from Emerson who's with me working on harder 4's... Then last week I was kicking with him (we've never hit any 5 add moves) and he busts a blurry blender, clean. I think it may have been the highpoint of his life to date. But we need more people cause it's really just us 2 trying to push each other. We need people better then us! Andrew Hires From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Fri Sep 24 20:14:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26147 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:14:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30416 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:23:14 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10808; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909241649.MAA24395@no-knife.mit.edu> References: <199909241649.MAA24395@no-knife.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:22:48 -0700 To: Samuel Andrew Hires From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boston Freestyle Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:49 PM -0400 9/24/99, Samuel Andrew Hires wrote: >If you are in the Boston area and interested in starting a freestyle >club, please contact me at bugpowdr@mit.edu How about adding yourself to the club list on my website? Or if you are already on it, what's the address of the listing? http://www.footbag.org/add-club.html will add your club so people can find you. Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 03:09:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26597 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:09:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02353 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: <19990924214925.481.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.216.156.221] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:49:25 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] gloating To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i finaly started hitting paradons and im getting close to the ripwalk and blur Jamez Risden From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 03:09:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26602 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:09:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04846 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:01:28 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990924230059.ESDX16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:00:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37EC0617.74D65466@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:15:35 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Avery CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names References: <4.1.19990924065321.009e63c0@mail.direcpc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Avery wrote: > > >Spinning (not gyro) Torque-Marius > > Isnt spinning legover marius? > > Matt Nope. A spinning out to in legover is a merkon. I don't know if a spinning in to out legover has a name. Also, I don't know if gyro in legover or gyro out legover have names. Anyone? Marius is indeed a spinning torque. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 03:09:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26607 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:09:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04874 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:06:09 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990924230608.ETNX16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: <37EC074C.4B1F45AF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:20:44 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boston Freestyle References: <199909241649.MAA24395@no-knife.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Samuel Andrew Hires wrote: > > Well, I've been lurking on this list for over a year, and sent out a > call for Boston kickers to contact me. So here I go again. If you are in the > Boston area and interested in starting a freestyle club, please contact me at > bugpowdr@mit.edu This goes out to all of you freestylers who are playing by yourself (I don't mean it like that) or with a small group. You don't need a lot of people to form a club. Go to http://footbag.org/clubs and add your club. If it is just you, add it anyway. That is how the Dallas club was formed. We went to footbag.org and found a lot of club listings in the area with one or two people, brought them all together, and now we have a nice club. If those people had not posted their clubs, we wouldn't have met. And, what if someone is driving through Boston? First, they will check the club listing to see if there are people to kick with. If you aren't listed, how will they find you? Everyone who kicks should have a club listing on footbag.org! I mean it. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 03:09:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26592 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:09:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.207]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA31780 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:06:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 8069 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 20:06:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924200605.8068.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:06:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: fastfoot@mind.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:06:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Forest suggested: The move is >basically a tapping torque. From left toe> right leg op out tap the >ground> go back over the bag with right leg the op direction> twist into >a left foot osis. I call it a "spinaltap". > I suppose the paradox version (6 add) is possible but I have not hit >it. I think a good name for it would be "circuit breaker". > Have you hit these? I've seen Eli come pretty close to nuclear torque. I have a suggestion though. I think that naming rights to move should be reserved to the person who first hits them. Or at least the final decision of what to call it should be left to the person who hits the move. Now as to Yoda, Forest has a good question. Has anybody hit it? I think the moves on the movelist that haven't been hit should be removed, like nemesis and pdx ripwalk. Ken CF Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 03:09:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26632 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:09:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05787; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:41:47 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id gSDPa11693 (4205); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <819d72bc.251d65f3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:40:35 EDT Subject: Re: Re: [freestyle] Move list To: fastfoot@mind.net, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/24/99 8:36:34 AM, fastfoot@mind.net wrote: <<"spinaltap". >> thats a cool name forest...totally I'm surprised no ones come up with that for a tapping move.. ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 03:09:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26639 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:09:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA32427 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:24:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 98837 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 20:23:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924202355.98835.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:23:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.62] From: "Ian Dubman" To: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boston Freestyle Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:23:55 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Then last week I was kicking with him (we've never hit any 5 add >moves) >and he busts a blurry blender, clean. And, if he hit it correctly--and cleanly, you still have have not. Blurry blender is a six. Pdx blender is five. Ian D. MUFF From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 03:09:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26652 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:09:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07603 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:39:19 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990925003918.FUFK16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:39:18 -0700 Message-ID: <37EC1D22.5493DC36@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:53:54 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list suggestions References: <199909232108.PAA07897@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jon Schneider wrote: > > and before i go on, a little clarification: the Job's notation seems > to mostly consider dexterities that are not done cross-body, calling > everything "in to out" or "out to in". in the case of swirls "front > to back" and "back to front" seem to better describe to motion. > anyway, a reverse swirl to dragon (probably easiest from a dragon to > begin with), clip (or dragon) > same OUT > same dragon, i call a > SNAP DRAGON. I think that most people do refer to the swirl motion as either back to front or front to back. If I saw the notation that you wrote above, I would think you are hitting a royale set from and caught on dragon. I wouldn't put it past you, but that would be a sick move. How about this notation: clip (or dragon) > same FRONT > same dragon. or, if that is too confusing, how about: clip (or dragon) > same FRONT (swirl) > same dragon. Personally, I like it without the (swirl) part in there. Front and Back are just as clear as In and Out. How about it people? Job's notation has just been updated to cope with The Dragonslayer's style. Now if only the ADD system could handle what he's doing... > p.s. i don't think CROSS-BODY RAKE is on the moves list. Yes. You are right. I'm saying that a x-bdy rake is 3 adds. But, where do they come from? I'm not adding the move until I can figure out how to put it in Job's notation. Anyone? Also, isn't that x-bdy rake called a defraction? It is great to have you on the list Jon. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 04:27:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27154 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:27:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13307 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:29:56 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIL00O01J1URA@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:29:53 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list In-reply-to: <37EAFAAB.2343@mind.net> To: Forest Schrodt Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Forest Schrodt wrote: > basically a tapping torque. From left toe> right leg op out tap the > ground> go back over the bag with right leg the op direction> twist into > a left foot osis. I call it a "spinaltap". > I suppose the paradox version (6 add) is possible but I have not hit > it. I think a good name for it would be "circuit breaker". And in regards to the paradox version would you get a double paradox? There is the pdx reverse mirage set, then when you whip back into torque it's like a paradox torque. BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 07:11:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27248 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:11:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32443 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:25:11 -0700 Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu (root@rac1.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.141]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18724 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:24:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Bradley Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac1.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29590 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac1.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29579 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909242024.QAA29579@rac1.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] DRAKE Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey hey old school named drifting rake DRAKE, so there is an overlap on Jon's suggested named for dragon style rake. i think the old school move would be clip> op out> same Xbody toe ( xbody rake from drifter dex ). in something like job;s notation. l8r- -'crastinator From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sat Sep 25 07:43:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27292 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:43:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA21143 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:42:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 67795 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 1999 06:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990925064228.67794.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:42:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] DRAKE Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:42:28 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hola! Vince: >old school named drifting rake DRAKE, so there is an overlap on Jon's >suggested named for dragon style rake. > >i think the old school move would be >clip> op out> same Xbody toe ( xbody rake from drifter dex ). > More or less. clip>op in same xbody toe. We all knew what you were saying but it never hurts to have the correct notation. Anybody else remember the other old school xbody rake moves? Pixie xbdoy rake is swerve, and i think whirling xbody rake was Venus. Ceiling Fan nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 00:01:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27922 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:01:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02964 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:56:21 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990925145620.LTLI16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:56:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37ECE604.F6CAA50C@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:11:00 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M CC: Forest Schrodt , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: > > And in regards to the paradox version would you get a double paradox? > There is the pdx reverse mirage set, then when you whip back into torque > it's like a paradox torque. A lot of things are "like" paradox moves (like many toe set moves). But, with the limited definition of paradox, you can only get one at a time. So, no. Even if you did a nuclear diving torque, that is only one paradox add. And Brad, you still haven't mentioned the name of that atomic gyro rev whirl thing you tried in your 45 second shred. What else have you hit with that set? -Derric From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 00:01:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27923 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:01:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tony Glick Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id bKEGa06118 (3964) for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <409d1c77.251e4ca3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:04:51 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Stupid move names To: freestyle@email.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In the last few days people have been talking about new moves and move names a lot. After reading all of the posts, some of the names are really stupid. Let me give you some examples, and please, I am not trying to single anyone out: Dimwalk Snap Dragon Flame Thrower Legbreaker Plasma Spy Camera (this is the worst one!) Schmoe Poisonous Toad Royale With Cheese Anyway, I could go on, but you get the picture. Keep in mind that this is personal opinion so don't write me back and cut my head off. I think we need to pay more attention to move names because whenever I am kicking here at school and someone (a hot girl) walks up and asks "What was that?!?!" I don't want to say it was a Poisonous Toad. Move names with "atomic" are cool. I think we need rethink some of them. Also, move names that involve a technical word, such as paradox or symposium are awesome, those sound really good. But does anyone here see what I mean? Write back and let me know, I am interested to hear everyone's thoughts. Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 00:11:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27974 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:11:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27971 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:11:53 -0700 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22143 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:22:14 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08606 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <409d1c77.251e4ca3@aol.com> References: <409d1c77.251e4ca3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:21:54 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stupid move names Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:04 PM -0400 9/25/99, Tony Glick wrote: >Dimwalk Just for historical reference... This move is one of several similar moves, popularized by individuals who got the move named after them: Ripwalk == Rippin' Rick Reese Dimwalk == Dimitri Kavouras (one of the original BAP) Parkwalk == Chris Park (Penn Footbag) Jaywalk == A "the" version of Ripwalk, we won't say who it's named after :-) Maybe there are more...? Anyway, you may think it's dumb, but Dim was the bomb. So there. Steve From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 04:47:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28565 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 04:47:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 23413 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 1999 02:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990926022954.23412.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:29:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Allman144@aol.com, freestyle@email.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stupid move names Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:29:54 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Tony Glick wrote: . I think we need >to pay more attention to move names because whenever I am kicking here at >school and someone (a hot girl) walks up and asks "What was that?!?!" I >don't want to say it was a Poisonous Toad. Move names with "atomic" are >cool. I think we need rethink some of them. Also, move names that involve >a >technical word, such as paradox or symposium are awesome, those sound >really >good. Freestyle is a very subjective sport. Some people feel that atom smasher is harder than toe blur, others say blizzard is harder than blur, people admire different shredders' style and people will disagree about what they think looks good or has a "cool" name. You may think atomic, symposium and pdx sound cool, while I may think they sound moronic (I don't, but i'm making point here). Deal with it, because it doesn't really matter. Next time a good looking girl asks you what a move is, tell her you invented it and it is named after you, no matter what the move. I've finally come to terms with the fact that difficulty in freestyle isn't quantifiable, so I don't care about adds anymore. I also realize that I don't love the name of a lot of the moves i hit, but I like the way they look and i have fun hitting and linking them. I do strongly feel however, that naming rights be reserved to whoever hits a move first. I'm sure it is frustrating to hit something really difficult, and then have somebody who can't even hit it give it a silly name. When you come up with a phat move I can hit, and a pretty girl asks me what it is, I will tell her with pride that it was a Glickwalk. But ultimately, what is in a name? Ken CF Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 07:11:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28677 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:11:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31369 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:24:07 -0700 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02776 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909260424.AAA02776@admin.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:36:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stupid move names From: "Neil Bearse" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Next time a good looking girl asks you what a move is, tell her you invented it and it >is named after you, no matter what the move. Boys, boys, boys...... has EVERYONE lost their charm?? You are supposed to tell the girl that you JUST invented it, and you are gonna name it after HER! its thaaaaaaaat easy :) also, try comparing HER to footbag moves.... for example... 'You sure are beautiful, almost as good looking as a paradox mirage...' You'll score for SURE! if anyone else needs love advice, refer to footbag.org. its FULL of tips. you just have to read between the lines... peace y'allllll Neil From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 08:52:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28773 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:52:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06133 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:52:04 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIN00G01PULE3@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:51:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:51:57 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list In-reply-to: <37ECE604.F6CAA50C@dallasfootbag.org> To: Derric Scalf Cc: Forest Schrodt , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Derric Scalf wrote: > And Brad, you still haven't mentioned the name of that atomic gyro rev > whirl thing you tried in your 45 second shred. What else have you hit > with that set? It's a tapping twirl or "tap water", as named by Eli. Toe set> op out> op back> op body/ xbody delay (osis). Man I just realized I've never tried to Jobs notate the osis part of a move, and I don't even know if I got it right, but it's a tapping twirl. And as far as the set goes Atomic or Tapping, I've got a lot of moves I'm close to, but they just slip away. Tapping Whirl, Atomic whirl, Spinal Tap (Forests excellent name for tapping torque), and I almost broke my back in half the other day trying Atomic Dyno. But again they all just seem to slip away. Oh the pain and agony. Later on yo, BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 09:01:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28814 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:01:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06384 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:02:29 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIN00G01QC4R5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:02:27 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list In-reply-to: <19990924200605.8068.qmail@hotmail.com> To: KeN Somolinos Cc: fastfoot@mind.net, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, KeN Somolinos wrote: > I > have a suggestion though. I think that naming rights to move should be > reserved to the person who first hits them. Or at least the final decision > of what to call it should be left to the person who hits the move. I agree, but I think the hard part is to figure out who hit the move first sometimes. There a plenty of people not on the list, and on the list for that matter, who hit moves and call them one thing then find out someone else hits that move also but they call it something different. I think it's a great idea for people to have first dibs if they hit the move first, and if their are several people hitting the move first then they can come up with some names they all like and pick one. By the way, I really like some of the names people have been coming up with, like gauntlet and spinal tap, so keep up the innovation. Later y'all, BRAD From owner-freestyle@email.footbag.org Sun Sep 26 09:01:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by email.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28824 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:01:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: email.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06555 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:06:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIN00G01QJ7W9@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:06:43 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stupid move names In-reply-to: <199909260424.AAA02776@admin.cgocable.net> To: Neil Bearse Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Neil Bearse wrote: > Boys, boys, boys...... has EVERYONE lost their charm?? You are supposed > to tell the girl that you JUST invented it, and you are gonna name it after > HER! its thaaaaaaaat easy :) > also, try comparing HER to footbag moves.... for example... > 'You sure are beautiful, almost as good looking as a paradox mirage...' > You'll score for SURE! Man you are SMOOTH!!! Who needs Cupid? Signing off, BRAD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 07:53:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01738 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:53:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bessie.excite.com ([199.172.152.102]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <19990926150422.EPPF1457.fortune@bessie.excite.com> for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:04:22 -0700 From: "Allan Haggett" To: freestyle@email.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] re: whoa Message-Id: <938358268.1581.350@excite.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:04:28 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 194.106.159.86 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric... >If you want to improve at this sport, you have to go >to tournaments. Period. I would tend to differ a little on this point, Derric. Granted, the one and only tournament I've ever been to imporved my game game exponentially. However, that was almost three years ago now and I've improved rather drastically without the aid of tournaments and with *very* limited outside exposure or influence. Tournaments are extremely important to see what their is out there live and in person, but there is something to be said for isolated, obsesive personal development with a few select individuals..... :) It's also a good excuse for those of us with limited financial means and time to travel to such tournaments to gain the experience to progress;} Allan K. Haggett Victoria, BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 07:53:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01739 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:53:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from nccn2.nccn.net (IDENT:root@nccn2.nccn.net [209.79.220.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22537 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:20:49 -0700 Received: from left (tc2-155.nccn.net [209.79.221.155]) by nccn2.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*rGs* 99.07.16-) with SMTP id KAA07587 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01bf0843$3a35d220$9bdd4fd1@left> From: "Lon Smith" To: "footbag" Subject: [freestyle] Icredible Moves Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:03:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id HAB01739 Hello All. This is Lon and I was just wondering if everybody is as astonished as I am at how Fricking Awesome Lynton Stephens is at creating moves?? * Pixie Diving Mirage (aka Assassin) TOE > SAME IN > (dive) > OP IN > OP TOE * Fairy Diving Mirage (aka Guillotine) TOE > SAME OUT > (dive) > OP IN > OP TOE The 2 above can also be hit symposium. * Atomic Ducking Mirage (aka Skull Smasher) TOE > OP OUT > (?duck/?dive) > OP IN > OP TOE (don't smash yourself in the teeth with your knee! I oughta know) * Atomic set inspinning mirage (aka Neutron Smasher) TOE > OP OUT > (inspin) > OP IN > OP TOE * Fairy spinning mirage (aka Torus) TOE > SAME OUT > (backspin) > OP IN > OP TOE * Fairy symposium eggbeater (aka Juggernaut) TOE > SAME OUT > (no plant while) OP OUT > OP OUT > SAME TOE * Tapping double mirage (Tappage I suppose) TOE > OP OUT > SAME IN > SAME IN > OP TOE * Tapping double leg over (I haven't got a name for it) TOE > OP OUT > SAME IN > OP OUT > SAME TOE * Atomic double leg over TOE > OP OUT > OP IN > OP OUT > SAME TOE (Adrian Dick I think was the first person to hit this. He might have a suggestion. I thought Predator would be nice.) * Diving Double Leg Over I'm sure other people have hit this, it might already have a name, but what about "Cascade"? I heard Dave Holton hit it blurry! * Double miraging switch over (Toe Flurry) TOE > OP IN > SAME IN > OP OUT > SAME TOE * Pixie double mirage (Smearage) TOE > SAME IN > OP IN > SAME IN > OP TOE * Atomic symp reverse mirage/backside symp omelette (aka Trochus) TOE > OP OUT > (no plant while) OP OUT > OP TOE * Atomic symp mirage/backside symp atom smasher (aka Witchdoctor) TOE > OP OUT > (no plant while) > OP IN > OP TOE Also a frontide trochus and frontide witchdoctor (first dex symposium instead of the second) I've got some others, and some I'm close to but this post is too long already. Bring on some more suggestions and keep dicing out the psychotic combos everyone! Shred onwards, Lynton (MFC - Melbourne Footbag Club) I just can't believe that stuff. Most of those moves I've never hit or even tried!!! LON From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 07:53:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01741 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:53:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29191 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:12:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 80884 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 1999 21:11:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990926211139.80883.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 4.16.82.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:11:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [4.16.82.99] From: "Amber Wolles" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stupid move names Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:11:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Boys, boys, boys...... has EVERYONE lost their charm?? You are >supposed to tell the girl that you JUST invented it, and you are gonna name >it after HER! its thaaaaaaaat easy :) Yeah, I'd agree with that. I'd be very flattered if some guy told me that they were going to name a move after me. Keep on Shreddin' Everyone Amber Wolles From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:00:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01826 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:00:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18585 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:55:40 -0700 Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (root@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09698; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Bradley Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08470; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08465; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909271255.IAA08465@rac10.wam.umd.edu> To: footbug@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] DRAKE Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org actually, i believe the spinning cross body rake with a butterfly dex was Vedus, not Venus. never knew why though. l8r vince From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:00:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01836 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:00:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17866 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:17:05 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA13866; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:16:48 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37EC074C.4B1F45AF@dallasfootbag.org> References: <199909241649.MAA24395@no-knife.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:23:34 -0600 To: Derric Scalf , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boston Freestyle Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers and All! At 6:20 PM -0500 9/24/99, Derric Scalf wrote: >Everyone who kicks should have a club listing on footbag.org! I mean >it. And I will add... Everyone who has a club should host a footbag event. Ideally a tournament, small or large (we need to see more single day events catering to novice and intermediates, and getting the support of the pro's through demo's and instruction when available.). If nothing else, clubs should offer classes to their local park districts and have regularly scheduled meetings (shreds and/or net days) and maybe even raise money for charity. But really, just run a tourney...what better way is there to draw out nearby pro's, the media and scores of players from your area that come out of the woodwork... we need more footbag events! I mean it. :-) See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:00:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01846 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:00:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from netlife.netlife.fi (MKCCCXVIII.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.166.118]) by pefletti.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26002 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:41:32 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <37EF4968.3CBA@netlife.fi> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:39:36 +0200 From: Ilkka Malin Organization: MALIN X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Marius Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If spinning (paradox?) torque is called Marius, then how is inspin torque called? I've always thought that inspin torque is Marius. Ilkka Malin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:00:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01865 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:00:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18855 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:06:08 -0700 Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (root@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10331 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Bradley Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09179 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09175 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909271306.JAA09175@rac10.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] defraction Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey hey i think defraction originally was a rewound refraction. refraction was an osis done wherein the bag traveled between the legs to the osis delay. cross body ad components are usually defined as delay, xbody and dexterity. in the same vein as a pendulum being a dextrity and a delay. yeah- it sucks. but how else can we calssify pendulum and rake style moves? l8r vince From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:01:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01896 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:01:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18985 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:11:53 -0700 Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (root@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10744 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Bradley Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09262 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09258 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909271311.JAA09258@rac10.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] I agree with steve Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dimitri was the bomb. multiple stomping double legovers like they were cake walks. do an eclipse as easy and as controlled as a toe stall. l8r vince From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:01:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01906 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:01:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f13.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA19901 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:55:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 49011 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 1999 13:54:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990927135425.49010.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:54:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.62] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list suggestions Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:54:25 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Derric Scalf >Also, isn't that x-bdy rake >called a defraction? I could easily be wrong on this, but I have always been under the impression that a defraction is the two-add counterpart to the refraction(???Job's??? But basically, begin with clip, pull the bag under the set leg and release in front of you off an inside delay). Very similar to the slur set on a blur gone bad, as Ken would define it. I used to hit this from a fridid osis quite often about 2 years ago after I had just started kicking. I beleive it was Scott D. who quoted me the name 'defraction' at the 1st di-annual MUFF Jam... Sooner, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:01:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01916 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:01:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24272 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:29:41 -0700 Message-ID: <19990927164438.9517.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.216.156.215] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:44:38 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] hhhhmmmmm????? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I have a couple of questons. How do i know when im ready to enter a tournament? Am i stupid for not kickin with a juice? Does Kenny Shults still freestyle? Whos #1 now? Why isent there any videos of chick shredders? How the hell does Dave Holton and Fred Husted do that in those 'Tevas'? Later Jamez Risden P.S. I hit blurs now.....like, once every ten tries. Any tips??? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:02:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01926 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:02:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02230 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:19:08 -0700 Received: from 206.151.158.240 (ip62.mind.net [206.151.158.68]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09744 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:18:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37EF7C96.7E69@mind.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:18:06 +0000 From: Forest Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list References: <19990924200605.8068.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>>Ken wrote:Have you hit these? I have hit spinaltap 2 times, both were a little fluffy but not "the". My setts are pretty low when I do them. I have not even come close to hitting the paradox version. >>> I've seen Eli come pretty close to nuclear torque. Spinaltap is not a nuclear torque but a tapping osis. >>> I have a suggestion though. I think that naming rights to move should be reserved to the person who first hits them. Or at least the final decision of what to call it should be left to the person who hits the move. I think the moves on the movelist that haven't been hit should be removed, like nemesis and pdx ripwalk. I would agree with you at first but then again there are a number of moves no one has hit like, nemesis, which should have names and should be on the moves list but should be noted as not ever being hit. Having unhit moves on the moves list allows everyone to know about them and therefore make it more likely that someone will hit them. With the exception of moves that are totally impossible of course. >>Now as to Yoda, Forest has a good question. Has anybody hit it? If the trick I do on sultans of shred is not Yoda then that means that it needs a name. How about "fractal"? Has anyone else hit pixie dada? Keep stylin. Forest From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:02:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01985 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:02:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f8.hotmail.com [216.32.181.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08703 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:35:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 62101 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1999 05:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990929053513.62100.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.93.198.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:35:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.198.37] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Texas State Championships Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:35:13 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is anyone going to the Texas State Championships? Just curious. Brian Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:03:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02001 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:03:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02432 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:29:06 -0700 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) id UAA01797 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:28:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Jon Schneider Message-Id: <199909290228.UAA01797@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [freestyle] Re: stupid move names To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:28:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi all, I feel i must clear something up here. stepping ducking paradox mirage, or ducking blur, or blurry ducking mirage, or however you want to break it down (clip > op in > duck > op in [paradox] > op toe), hit by 'tiva Dave Holton, also known as Humbolt Holton and The Highlander, etc... has been WRONGLY called a SPY CAMERA several times lately on this news group. It is understandable however, as nearly everyone in Boulder misunderstood him as well, and for several months. but we eventually pinned him down on it, and apparently, the name he had intended for the move is SPIKE HAMMER. do you all see how spike hammer could be misconstrued as spy camera if you are not listening closely? now, personally, i prefer SPY CAMERA, but i know that Dave doesn't, and although I think it would be funny if despite his wishes, that move went down in footbag history as spy camera, but i figure i owe it to Dave to at least TRY to set this one staight. anyway, as for the stupid names of some of MY moves, SNAP DRAGON really describes how it feels to do the move 'cause of the way ya got to snap the dex around the bag, and likewise for FLAME THROWER 'cause of my tendancy to really fling the bag up into the air as i come out of this move. makes a great set for flyers, try it. also, if ya hadn't noticed, i've got sort of a fire theme going on here. If i can't fit the word dragon into the name of a move, i look for fire of flame in the name. shpater, jonathan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:03:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02013 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:03:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06753 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:14:29 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zEBREfvp3_ (4459) for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <872160ac.2522ec08@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:14:00 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Frontside/Backside and Lynton To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I printed up Lynton's (from Melbourne, Australia I believe it is) message with his sick mcneuvers and the jobs for every one of them... it seems these guys from down under have been ripping shit up... right-on...I have been glancing at this email for like the past week and imitating some of the motions in the air but haven't had a chance to sample any of them with a bag as I have been busy... anways...besides the fact that the moves are grotesque, some being cooler than others... I was wondering what he meant by describing the variation of the moves symp. ommelette and symp. atom smasher as "frontside". I faintly remember a discussion about this (frontside/backside) awhile back but can't remember correctly... if anyone (derrick, or I think scott D was the one who started the dicussion and introduced this) could help me on this it would be appreciated... cool... any keep skooling.... the days are getting shorter here and the teeth-grinding skooling sessions must commence....think X-Mas Jam, I know I am... P.S.-whats this crispy/extra crispy stuff about...besides the fact that it makes me have a craving for fried chicken? (Ken?) thanx again, adios ~Bryan F. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 08:04:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02069 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:04:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11210 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:02:33 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA2467 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:02:27 -0700 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stupid move names Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:02:32 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01bf0a48$9b40c6e0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I gotta say.. Oneil Bearse has got style... and.. Go Steve!.. Go Steve! and... "Poisonous Toad" is just about the BAD ASSEST name for a freestyle move ever... :) and.. Sorry Tony but you were just askin to get your head cut off with that post... Ever heard of "Guillotine"? Now there is a name?.. :) ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 16:39:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02801 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:39:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30560 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:28:31 -0700 Received: from unix1 (jlw3368@unix1.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.12.6]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/mailhub+tar) with SMTP id KAA17401; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:28:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by unix1 (SMI-8.6/1.34) id KAA11711; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:28:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:28:21 -0500 (CDT) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@unix1.cc.ksu.edu To: Brian Mckenzie cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Texas State Championships In-Reply-To: <19990929053513.62100.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Brian Mckenzie wrote: > Is anyone going to the Texas State Championships? Just curious. > Brian Mckenzie > umm... YES! J.W. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 16:38:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02796 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:38:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f254.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA28490 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:20:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 18401 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1999 14:20:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990929142000.18400.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:19:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.62] From: "Ian Dubman" To: kamakenzie@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Texas State Championships Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:19:59 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yes, I should be down there. Ian D. MUFF >From: "Brian Mckenzie" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Texas State Championships >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:35:13 CDT > >Is anyone going to the Texas State Championships? Just curious. >Brian Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 17:58:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03094 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:58:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19990929170911.10270.rocketmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.236.196.21] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:09:11 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: cory current Subject: [freestyle] re: whoa To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Cc: soleairpro@excite.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, Derric wrote: > >If you want to improve at this sport, you have to > go >to tournaments. > Period. "Allan Haggett" wrote: > I would tend to differ a little on this point, > Derric. I don't think Derric was saying that you *can't* improve without going to tournaments, I think he was saying that tournaments are the BEST way to improve your game, unless of course you live in SanFran and can kick with a large BAP forum everyday. 8^) > Granted, the one and > only tournament I've ever been to imporved my game > game exponentially. > However, that was almost three years ago now and > I've improved rather > drastically without the aid of tournaments and with > *very* limited outside > exposure or influence. I guess you should ask yourself how *drastically* your improvement was over those 3 years. I remember kicking with some new guy named Sunil at the '96 X-mas jam in Flint, MI. He was average, nothing too flashy, legovers and mirages. Maybe a couple of 3's. Look at the boy today. Innovative. BAP. that was only 3 years ago. Now that's drastic improvement. > Tournaments are extremely > important to see what their > is out there live and in person, but there is > something to be said for > isolated, obsesive personal development with a few > select individuals..... ...hmmmmm....sounds like Bryan McKenzie. Skoolin' solo in your basement requires infinite devotion and discipline. It is possible to improve without the aid of tournaments, but I'll gurantee that you'll improve leaps and bounds if you do go to tournys. My $0.02 ===== Cory Current------------------------------------------------ Kickers Quarterly Journalist http://www.schwafootbag.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 20:50:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03254 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:50:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04275 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:25:56 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nWYOa01938 (4250); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1fd7a2bb.2523b37a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:24:58 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stupid move names To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 234 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/29/99 7:22:15 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ewulff@jsishipping.com writes: << "Poisonous Toad" is just about the BAD ASSEST name for a freestyle move ever... :) >> naw . . . .the bad assested name for a move isn't that, it's gotta be 'screaming viking' it just sounds bad ass and what have you. Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 22:04:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03328 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:04:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09731 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:13:43 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zMHJa21483 (4251) for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40b41ddd.2523dadf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:13:03 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Texas State Championships To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm going. You prob dont know who I am but am I pumped. I heard Chad D. was coming..he told me so. See you all there! Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 22:12:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03359 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:12:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10114 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:21:28 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zXFBa06411 (4251) for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <82fbea9.2523dcb4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:20:52 EDT Subject: [freestyle] AHH!! Injury To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I was gonna shred yesterday but these hopes were shattered as I injured myself with the first move I hit. While executing a smear, I somehow lost my balance in the air(I have no clue how that happened since I hit these ALL the time...its my signature move) and landed unprepared on my big right toe. I felt a snap as my ankle bent to the side. For 30 sec..I couldn't feel anything or move anything below my ankle. I thought I had broken something but it turns out that I jammed my toe REALLY REALLY bad and just twisted my ankle. Has this happened to anyone? Anyways, I am off my daily practice routine due to this injury but should be up and running by Saturday. Can anybody give me some advice to help get this freaken swollen toe to get better. I'm already icing it and dipping it in hot wax...hehe. Thanks Windsen Pan P.S. See you guys at Tx States! I'm PumpED!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 23:48:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03477 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:48:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (sunilj@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12699 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:32:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SAS.05) with ESMTP id SAA09073 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:32:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Sunil Jani cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] PUSHING THE ENVELOPE... In-Reply-To: <37EF7C96.7E69@mind.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Forest Schrodt wrote: > Having unhit moves on the moves list allows everyone to know about them and > therefore make it more likely that someone will hit them. What? Are we all idiots or something? New moves (in concept) aren't a big secret. Even if they were not listed anywhere, you could just think of what HAS been done vs. what CAN be done... then think of who has the style to do it. EVERYONE THINK OF HEIN, NASTY, FIENDISH - yet somehow, somewhere- hittable moves, and the person you think can hit them, and post it to the list. Then if anyone does hit it, post it... I will start...(I apologize for leaving some people out who might be able to hit these moves... this is right off of the top of my head): Blurriest swirl - Torch, Tuan, Ryan, Chad, Peter PS Whirling Swirl - Rippin, Torch, Tuan Ducking PS Whirling Swirl - Torch, Rippin Symposium blistering whirl - Kenny, Rippin Nuclear symposium whirl - Eli, Daryl Paradox blurry whirl - Chad, Torch Blurry ducking paradox drifter - Dave, Eli, Wulff, Ken Ducking Paradox Blender - Eli, Torch, Dave Furious whirl (barraging paradox whirl) - Chad Blurry Blur - Torch, Tuan, Chad Blurry Omelette - Rippin', Red, Tu Gyro Omelette - Red, Peter Stepping Omelette - Ryan, Rippin, Torch Nuclear Down double down - Daryl Shooting reverse mirage - Torch, Tuan, Wulff, Red (if some of these people are not on the list... pass these suggestions on...) THIS IS JUST A START... I COULD DO THIS ALL DAY! I recall Torch called for people to do this over the list serve once as well (just with not as sick moves)... generate ideas for new moves and either hit them, or pass them on to people who can. Even if they aren't new moves... if there is a move that you think would fit a person's style well... tell them about it. This is what FREEstyle is all about... now go out and HIT THESE MOVES!! -Tsunami P.S. Tuan hit tapping osis so long ago it is a joke... Yoda is supposed pixie Dada curve, not 'the' pixie dada curve. You hit a pixie refraction on Sultans, it has been hit many times before... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Sep 29 23:49:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03482 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:49:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13285 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:55:37 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIU00C01FONQE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:55:35 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] hhhhmmmmm????? In-reply-to: <19990927164438.9517.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> To: Jamez Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Jamez Risden wrote: > I have a couple of questons. > How do i know when im ready to enter a tournament? > Am i stupid for not kickin with a juice? > Does Kenny Shults still freestyle? > Whos #1 now? > Why isent there any videos of chick shredders? > How the hell does Dave Holton and Fred Husted do that > in those 'Tevas'? 1) You're ready now, just study the rule book a bit and make a routine choreographed to music. 2) No you're not stupid for not kicking with a juice. It's a matter of preference. A lot of people like juices because they keep their roundness (or round flatness) while other bags may do some funky oblong thing after a while. I have friends who kick with all sorts of different pattern bags. 3) I believe the Grand Master still shreds, I saw it with my own eyes and even got some tape thanks to Eli out at Western Regionals. 4) For freestyle Scott Davidson is numero uno. 5) There is at least one clip of Carol Wedemeyer on "Rye Shred". I don't know about other vids. 6) As far as I know Dave has always used Tevas and just never switched to a different shoe so he's used to it from the beginning. And Red used to use nikes, but they were totally trashed and take so long to break in, so he made the switch and got used to it. BRAD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 00:03:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03543 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:03:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14938 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:15:52 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990929231551.TYJJ16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:15:51 -0700 Message-ID: <37F2A12E.87305341@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:30:54 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Mckenzie CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Texas State Championships References: <19990929053513.62100.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Mckenzie wrote: > > Is anyone going to the Texas State Championships? Just curious. > Brian Mckenzie I know that the Dallas guys are. James Roberts, Matt Strong, Eric Burgess and myself. Maybe some others from around here... Also, Kyle Crawford lives in Austin so I'm sure he'll be there. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 00:24:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03617 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:24:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tony Glick Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zJETa12678 (15546) for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77bc808b.2523fa47@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:27:03 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #746 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric said: "Sorry Tony but you were just askin to get your head cut off with that post... Ever heard of "Guillotine"? Now there is a name?.. :)" Oh cmon man! Cut me some slack :) Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 00:25:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03622 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:25:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15995 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:38:31 -0700 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29733; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:38:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:38:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Bryan Fournier cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frontside/Backside and Lynton In-Reply-To: <872160ac.2522ec08@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > describing the variation of the moves symp. ommelette and symp. atom smasher > as "frontside". I faintly remember a discussion about this > (frontside/backside) awhile back but can't remember correctly... if anyone frontside means the first dex in a multidex move. So frontside symposium atom smasher is a symposium rev. miraging mirage, while a backside symposium atom smasher is a rev. miraging symposium mirage. Frontside/backside can also apply to paradox moves, frontside paradox backside symposium blur, or just frontside paradox symposiumb blur, or voodoo. > > P.S.-whats this crispy/extra crispy stuff about...besides the fact that it > makes me have a craving for fried chicken? (Ken?) the crispy variation of a move is done stepping style while origanel recipie is an all-in-one motion. Kenny's torque versus Peter's torque. As for extra crispy, I don't know. I guess that is just really crispy. later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 02:33:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03826 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:33:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18135 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:29:53 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990930002948.VAMC16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:29:48 -0700 Message-ID: <37F2B283.89988C50@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:44:51 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Fournier CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frontside/Backside and Lynton References: <872160ac.2522ec08@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: > I was wondering what he meant by > describing the variation of the moves symp. ommelette and symp. atom smasher > as "frontside". Frontside refers to the symposium dexterity being done at the beginning of the move. So, a frontside symp atom smasher would be a symp reverse miraging mirage. A backside atom smasher would be a reverse miraging symp mirage (witchdoctor). > P.S.-whats this crispy/extra crispy stuff about...besides the fact that it > makes me have a craving for fried chicken? (Ken?) Mmmmmm.... chicken.... This extra crispy vs. original recipe thing has to do with how well defined a set is. Take a torque for example. If you set and then do a torque all at once, that is original recipe. But, if you do it as a blurry osis, it is extra crispy. These modifiers just tell how a move was done. I am a crispy player. I've only hit eggbeater crispily - never OR, got it? The style of a move doesn't change the adds, it could change the difficulty, and it definitely changes the style. My advice: Learn each move both ways. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 02:33:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03831 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:33:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.76]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18077 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:27:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 3553 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 00:26:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930002642.3552.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:26:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] PUSHING THE ENVELOPE... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:26:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all I like Sunil's suggestion of coming up with ill moves and telling people who can probably hit them to do so. I also have to say that "Furious Whirl" has to be the best name i've heard in a while. It really cracks me up. The whole Spike Hammer vs Spy Camera thing is also pretty funny. Sorry for perpetuating the incorrect name. Has anybody hit a double ducking move? Now for my move suggestions: Stepping ducking pdx blender: 7 hittable adds. Eric, Dave, or Eli? Is eli ducking his blurry sets now? Trichinosis-triage bail to osis Tuan, Sun- oh wait, it ends in an osis. Nevermind. : P Just kidding. Oh, and I just made up the name on the fly since it starts with tri and ends in osis. Both the disease and the move sound painful and very sick. Keep shredding hard everybody. Ceiling Fan nyfa From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 02:36:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03836 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:36:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18357 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:39:08 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990930003906.VDRI16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:39:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37F2B4B0.F268AB70@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:54:08 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamez Risden CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] hhhhmmmmm????? References: <19990927164438.9517.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jamez Risden wrote: > > I have a couple of questons. > How do i know when im ready to enter a tournament? Go to one and see how you stack up. Usually, there is a novice division of some kind if you don't feel that you are ready for intermediate. Novice players usually can do toe stall, inside stalls, clippers, and a couple of twos - ATW, mirage, legover. > Am i stupid for not kickin with a juice? Depends. If you are using a knit bag, then yes. If you are using a facile stork, delta, Carol, or a Revolution bag, then no. You are not stupid. > Does Kenny Shults still freestyle? Does he ever! I saw him hit a whirling swirl with no shoes on at worlds. ***NOTE*** kicking without shoes is not advisable as you don't get any kind of an inside stalling surface. > Whos #1 now? "The Enlightener" Scott Davidson. > Why isent there any videos of chick shredders? Get some of the newer shred tapes. Carol W. (maker of Carol bags) is on some of them. She tears it up. > How the hell does Dave Holton and Fred Husted do that > in those 'Tevas'? Practice, practice, practice. > P.S. I hit blurs now.....like, once every ten tries. > Any tips??? See above. Use the three P's (practice, practice, and practice). If you are hitting blurs on both sides, you shouldn't be worrying about when to enter a tournament. Just do it. If you are only hitting them on one side, work on the other one. Usually, when you start to learn a move on your weak side, you will be forced to concentrate on the motion a bit more. By thinking about a move - and how to make the window bigger - you will get better on both sides. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 02:36:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03851 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:36:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18674 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:47:12 -0700 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id RAA28150; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id RAA13250; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQXuNR1R558flKURccqt9LOUFkARwIUbGiImfEXfOPFks8DEcMPSqjA/EU= From: JoshuaWilson@webtv.net (Josh Wilson) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:47:10 -0500 (CDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Help Message-ID: <27944-37F2B30E-3520@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I know this sounds real pathetic to ask after all the stuff i read and the things i keep hearing that you people are hitting but im just getting into this and im having trouble with the Toe Stall and the mirage. Can anyone give me any helpful advice. Please Thanks, Josh Bigg Sexxxy of the Sexyboys.....Hey don't for get to write back......come see us at http://im.a.de.genxer.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 02:47:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03921 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:47:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21687 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:58:21 -0700 Received: from rtgilber (usr116.clearsail.net [207.252.227.116]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29172 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007701bf0ae7$f7f03160$74e3fccf@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: References: <19990929053513.62100.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Texas State Championships Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:03:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Is anyone going to the Texas State Championships? Just curious. > Brian Mckenzie I'll be there. I am entering in the novice competition. James Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 04:07:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04308 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 04:07:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25314 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:07:44 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zMHI0Icy3o (4309) for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:07:02 EDT Subject: [freestyle] question To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi baggers, I got a question do you have to plant your foot while doing a pixibutterfly My friend jamez said it make it "clean" just wonderin Adam Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 06:33:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04425 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:33:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f46.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.46]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28815 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:45:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 40087 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 04:45:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930044514.40086.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 4.54.82.136 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:45:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [4.54.82.136] From: "Amber Wolles" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Help Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:45:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Josh wrote: >I know this sounds real pathetic to ask after all the stuff i read and the >things i keep hearing that you people are hitting but im just >getting into this and im having trouble with the Toe Stall and the >mirage. Can anyone give me any helpful advice. Hey man, don't feel alone, I've only been playing footbag for a few months too. I've just mastered the Toe Stall on both toes and the thing to remember on that is to go down on your support leg and just keep your other leg in position. (hope this helps, like I said, I've only been playing for a few months) Keep on Shreddin' Everyone! -Amber From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 06:33:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04430 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:33:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28648 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:39:41 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990930043912.YTUA16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:39:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37F2ECA7.6E298C05@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:52:55 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Mrosko CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > > Hi baggers, > I got a question do you have to plant your foot while doing a > pixibutterfly > My friend jamez said it make it "clean" Your friend Jamez is right. You can do a pixie butterfly without planting, but it can get really ugly - making it look more like a refraction or something. If you plant after the set, you accentuate the dexterities. If you do a parkwalk (pixie same side butterfly), you really have to plant to make the move look clean. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 08:43:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04559 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:43:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ariel Santesteban Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01769 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:42:50 -0700 Received: from mystic.excite.com ([199.172.152.98]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <19990930064213.YBCG26736.kuku@mystic.excite.com> for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:42:13 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Help Message-Id: <938673734.5972.803@excite.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:42:14 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.99.242 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:47:10 -0500 (CDT), Josh Wilson wrote: > i keep hearing what you people are hitting but im just > getting into this ... gooble gobble, gooble gobble, one of us, one of us!! ariel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 09:08:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04609 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:08:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07355 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:20:41 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIV000015UE8N@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:20:37 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] Hey Derric I want your opinion on this especially In-reply-to: <37F2ECA7.6E298C05@dallasfootbag.org> To: Derric Scalf Cc: Adam Mrosko , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Derric Scalf wrote: > Your friend Jamez is right. You can do a pixie butterfly without > planting, but it can get really ugly - making it look more like a > refraction or something. If you plant after the set, you accentuate the > dexterities. If you do a parkwalk (pixie same side butterfly), you > really have to plant to make the move look clean. Later. You know I was thinking about and hitting this move tonight and I have a problem with something. It would seem that if you just did a regular set and did not plant then you'd have a symposium butterfly (4 meaningless adds), but if you do a pixie set without the plant you get something that looks alot closer to a really clean dexing dada (4 meaningless adds) yet it might be classified as a symposium pixie butterfly. This goes for ripwalk as well. From a clip set you can plant really quick and do a symposium butterfly or do the first dex with no plant and do what looks like a really clean dada, but may be classified as a symposium ripwalk. So what do you guys think here? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 09:34:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04663 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:34:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07858 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:31:59 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIV000016D9KR@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:31:57 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] SHOOTING?!? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So when is shooting shooting and is it always worth 3 meaningless adds? For instance, my understanding is that 1 meaningless add comes from the paradox reverse mirage, but that would only seem to count if the set comes back to the original side of the body the set came from. So is it still shooting if you land on the opposite clipper (and is the shoot part of it still worth 3 meaningless adds)? Or is there such thing as a shooting toe stall where you do the shoot and just land on the same toe as the clipper foot you set from? I mean shooting butterfly as I know it comes back to the original set foot, but is it still shooting butterfly on the opposite side or is it shooting blurriest or what? Can somebody clarify this a bit and maybe tell me if there is a name for it if it's not considered shooting. Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 17:38:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05256 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:38:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f12.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA23854 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:49:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 43985 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 15:48:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930154837.43984.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:48:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, derric@dallasfootbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shooting, symposium ripwalk Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:48:36 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Brad and all, Brad wrote: >something that looks alot closer to a really clean dexing dada (4 >meaningless adds) yet it might be classified as a symposium pixie >butterfly. This goes for ripwalk as well. From a clip set you can plant >really quick and do a symposium butterfly or do the first dex with no >plant and do what looks like a really clean dada, but may be classified as >a symposium ripwalk. So what do you guys think here? > I think that adds are moronic. Da da Curve should be 5 adds. 2 dexes, 1 xbody, 1 delay, and 1 symposium. People just arbitrarily ignore the symposium add because they don't think the move "feels" like 5 adds. I sometimes do symposium ripwalk where i do a really high blurry set, pause, then do a big symposium butterfly just to illustrate that Da Da curve does have symposium element. What is really dumb, is that the move i described doesn't feel much easier than stepping ps whirl, yet everybody considers the first move to be 4 adds, and the second to be 6. Arbitrary. Same goes for shooting sets. You said the set was worth 3 meaningless adds, when it is actually worth 4 meaningless adds. 2 dexes, 1 pdx, and 1 symposium. People may argue that the symposium doesn't "count," but it is there. Adds schmads. Ken CF Somolinos nyfa From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 17:38:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05266 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:38:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f37.hotmail.com [209.185.131.100]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA19974 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:35:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 23400 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 13:34:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930133431.23399.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.144.214.100 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:34:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.144.214.100] From: "melissa schneider" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] northeastern kickers Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:34:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, its mel schneider and i've successfully moved myself to western mass. I was curious if there was any body to kick with in these parts? I'd be very in to driving a little ways to meet up and kick!!!!!!!!!!! Let me know. Peace mel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 17:38:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05261 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:38:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f114.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.114]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA19929 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:33:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 3506 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 13:32:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930133235.3505.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:32:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.1] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] PUSHING THE ENVELOPE... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:32:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org << This is what FREEstyle is all about... now go out and HIT THESE MOVES!! >> Heil Sunil. Since this is FREEstyle, I will stay home and WATCH THE FOOD NETWORK!! DK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 17:40:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05288 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:40:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26373 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:51:38 -0700 Received: from postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.246]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id JAA28393; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id JAA02060; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQzqXQHO0Ni33TbybKcCEi5BufMxQIVAKvLQq8CKaS8PD0JkOFXE0Ei3p5b From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:51:37 -0400 (EDT) To: derric@dallasfootbag.org (Derric Scalf) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names Message-ID: <284-37F39519-6024@postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Derric Scalf 's message of Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:15:35 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >spinning in to out legover I don't know either, how about Parabola ? GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 17:40:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05293 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:40:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26096 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:44:50 -0700 Received: from postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.246]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id JAA27578; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id JAA01539; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRMM8R0MSYdJm0IcRYT5MKqyzYadgIVALZFvc2UUMaVkoj1KbQH8aVGyvhg From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) To: derric@dallasfootbag.org (Derric Scalf) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names Message-ID: <286-37F3937A-4758@postoffice-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Derric Scalf 's message of Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:15:35 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric wrote: >Also, I don't know if gyro in legover or >gyro out legover have names. Anyone? I like Pandora for the gyro in, and Paralax for the gyro out. GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 18:20:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05472 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:20:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27858 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:24:39 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990930172433.FOHX16994.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:24:33 -0700 Message-ID: <37F39FC0.39A60302@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:37:04 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] SHOOTING?!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: > > So when is shooting shooting and is it always worth 3 meaningless > adds? For instance, my understanding is that 1 meaningless add comes from > the paradox reverse mirage, but that would only seem to count if the set > comes back to the original side of the body the set came from. You got it. A shooting set may not always be worth three adds, but it is always worth two dexterities. I was trying to learn clipper set double legover one day. Then, out of the blue, I did a shooting same toe stall. The entire move - counting the stall - is three adds. It is just a double legover that is accentuated weirdly. You can also do blizzard like that... a shooting op toe delay. In this one, since you do go back to the other side, you get paradox. > So is it > still shooting if you land on the opposite clipper (and is the shoot part > of it still worth 3 meaningless adds)? This would be a ripwalk. But, it would probably end up looking more like a jaywalk. > I mean shooting butterfly as I know it > comes back to the original set foot, but is it still shooting butterfly on > the opposite side or is it shooting blurriest or what? Whoa now... shooting blurriest would be a 5 dex move. A shooting same side butterfly would just be an oddly accentuated blurriest. I don't think I've ever seen anyone do this... I wonder why... Whether or not the "shooting same side" concept has a name, I don't know. I take it you are hitting some shooting stuff now, huh? I can't wait to shred with you at Texas State - you are coming, right? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 19:47:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05550 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:47:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f222.hotmail.com [216.32.181.222]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA31484 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:55:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 64633 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 18:48:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930184820.64632.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:48:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Let's unite!!! Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:48:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Man, I kick all the time and when I'm not in school, I kick alone! Kicking alone sucks! I propose that everyone on the freestyle maling list send a e-mail saying where they're from. I need to kick with others if I'm ever going to get better. Who's with me? Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer Montreal, Quebec From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 20:05:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05582 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:05:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32440 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:21:42 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06732; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990930184820.64632.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990930184820.64632.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:21:27 -0700 To: "Mickey Mayer" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Let's unite!!! Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:48 PM -0400 9/30/99, Mickey Mayer wrote: >Man, I kick all the time and when I'm not in school, I kick alone! >Kicking alone sucks! I propose that everyone on the freestyle maling >list send a e-mail saying where they're from. I need to kick with >others if I'm ever going to get better. Who's with me? Well, that would be against list policy, so please don't do it. :-) However, I have a *CLUB LIST* online that is for exactly this purpose. http://www.footbag.org/clubs/ Click on "Quebec" inside the Canada listing and you'll have some numbers to call. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 23:00:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05803 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:00:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA04900 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:30:33 -0700 Received: from M56-129-30.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18018; Thu, 30 Sep 99 17:30:09 EDT Received: (from bugpowdr@localhost) by m56-129-30.mit.edu (8.9.3) id RAA52676; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909302130.RAA52676@m56-129-30.mit.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Video Move Clips Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:30:07 -0400 From: Samuel Andrew Hires Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As I recall, When the move list underwent a major overhaul last year, there were 15 video clips added for demonstration purposes. I also remeber somebody saying that there were another 30 or so but that they took too long to edit and they would be posted later. Do these still exist? Will they ever be posted? Is there some technical hurdle which needs to be overcome? Andrew Hires From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 23:00:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05808 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:00:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05716 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:44:39 -0700 Received: from M56-129-30.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22914; Thu, 30 Sep 99 17:44:38 EDT Received: (from bugpowdr@localhost) by m56-129-30.mit.edu (8.9.3) id RAA53950; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909302144.RAA53950@m56-129-30.mit.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Butterflies are weak because... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:44:36 -0400 From: Samuel Andrew Hires Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anybody agree with this? Symposium butterflies are weak/should not exist because the symposium leg does not make a complete dexterity around the bag. The body is essentially just translating towards the bag with the dex leg doing nearly nothing. In symp fwd/rev mirages and fwd/rev whirls, the dex leg does go all the way around. i. e. for right toe-set mirage, it passes from the left side of the bag to the right and back to the left. Crossing the trajectory of the flight path once. Toe-set symp. butterfly never crosses the trajectory. The dex leg never needs to do that awkward "dex in the air". It seems that this crossing of the flight path should be critical in granting the symposium add. Are we to belive an infinity without planting is symposium? It seems the only time a butterfly could be symp would be a clipper-set, same-side butterfly, like a reverse whirl. Requiring symposium moves to comeplete a full, trajectory intersecting dexterity would be the first step in fixing the add system IMHO. Andrew Hires From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 23:00:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05813 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:00:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f175.hotmail.com [216.32.181.175]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06137 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:52:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 60900 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 21:51:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930215124.60899.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:51:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Is it a move or isn't it? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:51:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Just wondering does a paradox leg-over exist, Clip > same op in > same toe or is that a paradox around the world or are they the same? Also can anyone give me some info on how to get the "Barrage" and "Double Leg-Over" with ease? Thanks Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 23:00:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05833 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:00:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f217.hotmail.com [216.32.181.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06281 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:54:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 33238 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 21:54:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930215414.33237.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:54:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] TRIPLE Around the World?!?!? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:54:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Seem every pro freestyler I ask in my area has never seen a triple around the world. They claim that this crazy move is nothing but a myth. Is this true? Can anyone out there hit it? Keep stylin' Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Sep 30 23:04:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05867 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:04:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05864 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:04:55 -0700 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07759 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:21:56 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28275 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909302130.RAA52676@m56-129-30.mit.edu> References: <199909302130.RAA52676@m56-129-30.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:21:44 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Video Move Clips Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:30 PM -0400 9/30/99, Samuel Andrew Hires wrote: > When the move list underwent a major overhaul last year, >there were 15 video clips added for demonstration purposes. I also >remeber somebody saying that there were another 30 or so but that >they took too long to edit and they would be posted later. Somebody? Who could it be? :-) >Do these still exist? Yes. >Will they ever be posted? Probably. >Is there some technical hurdle which needs to be overcome? Time. Steve P.S. Get ready.. Get set..