From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 01:28:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06036 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:28:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14413 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:44:09 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zCZSa25313 (4158) for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:41:40 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Back to business. Move help To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, My toe is feeling alot better. Good enough to freestyle. Today I got the chance to freestyle since my toe wasn't hurting so much. I did my shredding in tevas and found out awesome they are..Anyways, the reason why i posted is cause I hit a move and have some quesion on it. I believe it is a pixie ducking mirage:toe>same in[dex]>duck(i'm not sure if i'm ducking or diving)>op in[dex]>op toe[del]. Eg: I set from a right toe, pixie it then bring my head from the left to the right going under bag on its way up, then as the bag makes in descent, i swing me head back to the left over it and execute a right mirage. I'm not sure if this move is diving or ducking. Either way, how many adds would it be and is there a cool name for it? Thanks, Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 01:31:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06051 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:31:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11091 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:30:39 -0700 Received: from CJ264376A ([24.10.226.187]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990930233034.PAIZ29344.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@CJ264376A> for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:30:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bf0b9c$83b45320$bbe20a18@alex1.va.home.com> From: "Jim McCoppin" To: Subject: [freestyle] TRIPLE Around the World?!?!? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id BAB06051 I know Tuan hit that (with no shoes) and i think rippin hit it as well.... Jim McCoppin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 01:31:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06059 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:31:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com ([206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13717 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:22:40 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00278 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:23:37 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <003301bf0ba3$6233cd00$60fdfea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Video Move Clips Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:24:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >> When the move list underwent a major overhaul last year, >>there were 15 video clips added for demonstration purposes. I also >>remeber somebody saying that there were another 30 or so but that >>they took too long to edit and they would be posted later. > >Somebody? > >Who could it be? :-) I think his initials are SG. Just like you, Steve! >>Is there some technical hurdle which needs to be overcome? > >Time. Einstein would be in full agreement with you that time is simply a technical hurdle. If you were moving at speeds near the speed of light, I wonder how many dexterities you could squeeze into one move? Would your feet and body be going around the bag, or would the bag be going around you? >P.S. Get ready.. Get set.. Man I hate hype! I have been checking footbag.org every day since you posted that! ...must... ...take... ...downers... Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 03:25:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06223 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:25:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16333 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:26:58 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zDCEa24736 (4116) for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f328136.252567c1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:26:25 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] TRIPLE Around the World?!?!? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I myself can get extremely close to hitting this move...so I know its possible Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 03:51:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06367 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:51:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Aaron de Glanville Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19035 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:57:39 -0700 Received: from aaron (user-33qtg7u.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.192.254]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17635 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990930182724.006ffe2c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: aadegl@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:27:24 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names (stupid and otherwise) In-Reply-To: <37EAD8E1.6E076525@dallasfootbag.org> References: <19990924004752.64288.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo~ I'm hours away from hitting this, and fervently hoping that it hasn't been done (if you haven't yet, John S, give me at least a 24-hour head start =) ): inside>back-to-frontdex>same swirl Kind of a pixieswirl--two dexes with one leg--but done from an inside as if "swirling" in front of the body before doing the cross-body swirl, parallel. I call it the "Amber Wolles". ;) Or maybe "slinky"? (two coils) In this case, of course, adding a twirl to the end (inside>back-to-front>same rvs swirl>op osis) would make it a "twinkie". So maybe I'd better keep thinking. Any thoughts? Props to the rampant heinousness of recent gloats, aa From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 03:52:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06377 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:52:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Aaron de Glanville Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19038 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:57:40 -0700 Received: from aaron (user-33qtg7u.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.192.254]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17414 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990930180412.00756f98@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: aadegl@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:04:12 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Revolution In-Reply-To: <199909290228.UAA01797@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > apparently, the >name he had intended for the move is SPIKE HAMMER. >... now, personally, i prefer SPY CAMERA, but i know >that Dave doesn't, and although I think it would be funny if despite >his wishes, that move went down in footbag history as spy camera ... LOL!! =D Greetings, freestyle family~ Just wanted to post a quick review/endorsement of Revolution shred bags. Thanks to Derric's post a while back, my interest was piqued, and I contacted Paul "Sandman" Mestas, a super-friendly and enthusiastic dude (not to mention excellent salesman) who gave me a fantastic deal on 3 beautiful bags (20, 30, and 40 panels). Now, while I've still yet to kick with a bag to surpass the 'Carol' (or the "Wede Sack" [sorry Carol ;) ] ), the Revolution was a stoke, arriving in broken-in-brand-new condition, and promising excellent durability and sand retention. The bags were a little on the large and loose side for me, but Paul was quick to offer custom designing options. Extra props for the gorgeous 30-panel "Sandstar", one of the most artistic panelling designs I've seen since the "Twisted". All in all, a must for anyone whose freestyle game meets the occasional strong breeze... His # again is (303) 487-0326 or pager (303) 540-2614 Thanks again Paul! And now back to our regularly scheduled listserv... =) aa (Aaron de Glanville "uncut" -- SF) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 03:52:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06387 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:52:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19078 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:59:21 -0700 Message-ID: <19991001030018.27619.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.248.158.123] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:00:18 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:00:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] The adds system To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Once upon a time I was just mindin' my own buisiness, thinking about shreddin,(as usual...just ask adam mrosko)when suddenly i thought.......why not ditch the cross-body add? That would make the adds system soooo much more accurate in jugding the difficulty of a trick. Think about it. Wouldent you say that an egg beater and ripwalk are about the same in difficulty? Now they would have the same add value. How bout' mirage vs. butterfly? They would also have the same add value. The only weakspot i can find in this idea is the legbeater. That move would only get three adds,but the adds would be worth more(kinda like deflation-with money) I really cant see why this wouldent work but im just a 17 year old punk rookie that doesent know sh*t. OH OH YEAH! I can almost hit hop over swirls now. Tomorrows gonna be my day so expect to hear from me again soon. Think about what i said about the lame ass cross-body add and responed to it. I want to hear what all you top notch pros think about it. Later, Jamez Risden ===== From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 04:14:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06652 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:14:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20065 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:27:06 -0700 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03267 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910010327.XAA03267@admin.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:38:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names (stupid and otherwise) From: "Neil Bearse" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I call it the "Amber Wolles". ;) Now youre catchin on! :) All of you just have to promise to invite me to your weddings when my lines get you a good catch... :P is it possible to get some pics of these handmade bags online? These Revolutions sound PHAT to me.... Adios Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 04:36:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06719 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:36:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20817 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:40:32 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zKAKa19901 (4461) for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:39:58 EDT Subject: [freestyle] competition anxiety To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, As most of you'll know, Tx States is coming up right around the corner. I've made the decision to compete under the novice category. I've been kikcing since this summer and can hit some good stuff consistantly like smears, eggmixers(pixie legovers), double ATW, double leg-overs, and all the basics...EXCEPT CLIPPERS. I can hit em on the right side like 3 out of 5 tries and hit clipper set moves like mirage, buttfly and paradox mirage but none of this weakside. Should I be preparing a routine or should I be trying to get that strong side clipper down solid, OR concentrate mainly on the weakside. I'm in a state of confusion mainly because I have no clue about the criteria expected in novice competitions. Any help would be appreciated. P.S. I hit some new moves last week while teaching my cousin the basics. These include:hop-over swirl, ducking mirage/butterfly/gimpy ATW, weakside double overdown and atomsmasher(this move was only hit once out of total luck) Another thing to add...my cousin..dude is this guy learning fast!!! After several months, he mastered weakside ATW, legover, mirage, stomping mirage, and it took him only one day to learn how to hit eggmixer and symposium mirage! He'll be coming with me to Tx States. Thanks again..sorry about this long ass boring message. Thanks Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 05:50:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06868 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:50:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23916 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:05:11 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zEGSa15800 (3943) for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52cb6857.252568a8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:30:16 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] TRIPLE Around the World?!?!? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I met a guy at woodstock who told me he hit it once, but he had to jump to do it, and it was accidental. I realize the possibility of him lying is immense here, no need to point it out. I just thought it might contribute. Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 06:21:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06952 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:21:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24710 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:28:44 -0700 Received: from postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.91]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id WAA03532; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id WAA04480; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAsHQmmGrNrRHElT+Nq7JsyCu86fkCFDzgZPQgY6e5su0W6Vu+Yu64JncA From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:28:43 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Jaywalk Message-ID: <28336-37F4468B-5975@postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody! So.... a few days back Steve was too nice to say who Jaywalk is named after. But, since he was my partner for 9 years, and one of the best team freestylers ever, I CAN say: Jaywalk == Jay Modenhauer Take care, GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 06:28:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06993 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:28:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25193 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:42:45 -0700 Received: from postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.91]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id WAA22010; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id WAA05147; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:42:45 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQQjxQE8Nqz86/TXkjY3A6xdzYCdgIUPvW4S4lODkyFbCeHzzrp71JWXCc= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:42:45 -0400 (EDT) To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] PUSHING THE ENVELOPE... Message-ID: <28330-37F449D5-10927@postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Sunil Jani 's message of Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good stuff, Tsunami. Let's hear some more! Anybody else? Greg From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 06:29:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07015 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:29:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25213 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:44:12 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991001054408.BXCJ17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:44:08 -0700 Message-ID: <37F44D06.89262B92@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:56:22 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Windsen Pan CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] competition anxiety References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Windsen Pan wrote: > > Hey guys, > As most of you'll know, Tx States is coming up right around the corner. > I've made the decision to compete under the novice category. I've been > kikcing since this summer and can hit some good stuff consistantly like > smears, eggmixers(pixie legovers), double ATW, double leg-overs, and all the > basics...EXCEPT CLIPPERS. I can hit em on the right side like 3 out of 5 > tries and hit clipper set moves like mirage, buttfly and paradox mirage but > none of this weakside. Should I be preparing a routine or should I be trying > to get that strong side clipper down solid, OR concentrate mainly on the > weakside. I'm in a state of confusion mainly because I have no clue about the > criteria expected in novice competitions. Any help would be appreciated. > In a routine, it is important to remember that you aren't shredding. You are performing. With that said, the main thing to remember is to keep the bag off of the ground. Big tricks are cool, but drops are bad. Stick with what you know and try to make it look good. By the way, go intermediate. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 06:52:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07134 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:52:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25245 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:45:57 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991001054556.BXKC17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <37F44D73.F9FB03D8@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:58:11 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Neil Bearse" CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move names (stupid and otherwise) References: <199910010327.XAA03267@admin.cgocable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Neil Bearse" wrote > is it possible to get some pics of these handmade bags online? These > Revolutions sound PHAT to me.... Yep. You can buy most footbags from http://www.worldfootbag.com There are pictures. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 08:27:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07232 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:27:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07229 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:27:15 -0700 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02040 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:44:15 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22183 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909302130.RAA52676@m56-129-30.mit.edu> References: <199909302130.RAA52676@m56-129-30.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:43:51 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Video Move Clips Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:30 PM -0400 9/30/99, Samuel Andrew Hires wrote: >Will they [more freestyle move list video clips] ever be posted? You know, this brings up a some stuff I've wanted to raise with the general list for a while... I truly love being able to contribute the insane amounts of time, money, and service I give to the website and the sport. (The website alone costs me literally $100 a month out of my pocket, and that's a conservative estimate, and beside the point. :-)) I want others to feel that it's okay to contribute, too. I know some people do, but most of you guys just kick back and talk--and sometimes even complain (not that your last post was a compalint, but I get my fair share of complaints *every day* via my website and webmaster e-mail address). I mean, who's to say I am the only person who can film BAP players hitting moves, scan them into a computer, edit the video down for the online move list, make thumbnails of them, and upload them? It's a very time-consuming task (about 30 minutes of work per clip, all told), and on top of all the other time-consuming tasks I don't have time for, it's kind of insane. (So if you think about it, the 15 clips I already uploaded took me a total of 7-8 hours.) By the same token, I don't usually have time to service 20 players writing me and asking what format and what the requirements are, and to juggle all the responses and deal with it. (Especially since there are so many other footbag things on my list that happen on a daily basis. And of course I *do* have an insane day job which keeps me busy all the time.) So I rarely make a public plea for help, because it ends up either generating vacuous responses (no offense intended), or getting me into more work than if I just did it myself. But things are getting better. Some people have stepped up and offered to help with particular functions. Brian Kimball is taking over the subscription portion of this e-mail list. (He'll manage new member requests, of which I get about 15 a day on some days. He started today, actually, so that's good news for me.) And Derric Scalf has been wonderful by taking over the move list (editing the list itself, and getting bugs fixed, adding new moves, etc.). He is also someone I rely on to help with any function that requires a knowledge of the community (thanks, Derric). And others have volunteered to help out if I can just tell them what I want. (You know who you are, and I thank you for your offer, and will take you up soon.) Well, what I want is to better automate my site so I'm not even required to be in the loop to create and add new content to the site, except where approval is required. That is my dream and I *am* approaching it. But I'm not quite there yet. A lot of you have had long dialogs with me and been trained on using some of my automated functions, and that's great. But I am still on the critical path to most of that stuff, which is bad for everyone. I am working towards even better automation. I'm about to launch the new website, with a *lot* of help from Eric Cote in Montreal, that will include the concept of "registered users". Registered users will be able to contribute little things at first, like comments/hints/tips on the move list, and event and club listings, but over time I'll add better support for the photo and video galleries and for adding things like video clips to the move list. The balance is an issue of editorial control. I still want to be the "editor" of my website. It's still very important to me that the site be of the utmost in quality, both in the content I produce, and in the contributed content (for its accuracy and quality). To that end, I've been building a team of qualified people I trust to help me so that the entire editorial burden is not just on me. So, things like approving club listings, event listings, postings to the e-mail list, and updates to the move list, are all functions I can (and will) hand off to other people. Some things, like photo galleries, really don't need to be editorially controlled. But the video clip that demonstrates a freestyle move *must* be controlled, so that people can rely on their accuracy. (What if some kid uploads a video of himself doing torque and puts that on the clipper page?). I forged this entire online community from very humble beginnings. Most of the people seeing this e-mail learned what they know as a direct or indirect consequence of my sometimes anal-retentive quest for quality and desire for ubiquitous access to information about what was the Black Art of freestyle (and footbag in general). When I started the website (with Jim Curtis) back in '93-'94 (and yes, it was one of the first wave of sites on the internet), freestyle was a secret discipline. Not by design, but by the bad luck that nobody in the media felt like covering it. Kenny made a video in '91-92 (Tricks of the Trade), but beyond that, there wasn't much of a way for people to truly learn freestyle. In fact, you had to know somebody to get any information at all. The WFA had an 800 number, and a catalog, and a magazine, but it was all paper, in print, and you had to wait for it to come in the mail. And of course you had to find them to begin with. I guess the only way for most of us was to buy a Hacky Sack brand footbag and open up the insert and find their phone number and call them. Six weeks later, we had a bundle of black and white papers with still photos in them, and mostly information about events and the net game. And of course a catalog (very important) and a single video mixed among all the others, that actually showed how to play freestyle. And of course there was California Games. That year ('93) was the year the Big Add Posse was formed. At that point, there were probably 10 people on the planet who could hit Blur. Believe it or not. No joke. I was lucky enough to know Dennis Jones. He was the man (and he still is, and he still reads this list periodically so I have to say that :-)). Dennis helped me truly understand all the secrets of this newish Black Art -- the names of the harder moves, the concepts, etc. At that point, there was really no way to find out. There was no list of moves aside from a very antiquated and error-prone list in the IFAB rulebook (again, a bundle of black and white paper you had to work really hard to come across; now just go to my online version, which I put up in '94, at http://ifab.footbag.org/). But if you didn't have a Dennis Jones of your own, you just couldn't find out this stuff. Sure, people had made videos by then, mostly of Rippin' Rick Reese, but they were trading them through very rough and obscure channels. You had to know someone to even know that there was a video, or even a sport for that matter. It was not looking like this little tiny game, that only a few people really mastered, was going to mature and spread. I had a deep fear that it would all die off, and that Rippin' and company would go to their graves as the only people to ever do that with their feet. I decided I'd make it my goal to spread information (especially video) of this sport through whatever means I could. I didn't want it to die. I tried for a year or two to promote it in the mass media, but got hit really hard with the difficulty of that path (I don't even want to go into it right now; it was pretty depressing, as WFA can attest). Then, in late '93, I put up a video of Rippin' Rick Reese on the internet. It was the very first footbag video ever to be committed to MPEG format, and was certainly the first footbag video on the internet. I not only scanned it and edited it and uploaded it, but I filmed it, created the domain name, borrowed a friend's computer and T1 line, installed the ftp server, and spent hours uploading the file at 28kbps. That single act is what I believe changed this sport forever. I know it's self aggrandizing, but I still think it's true. That moment began what has consistently shown itself to be exponential growth of the freestyle footbag sport and subculture. (It wasn't just my goal to show the tricks, but to bring the aesthetic, the personalities, and the culture around the sport to those who decided to pursue the sport.) Much to my surprise, within weeks, people started writing me to ask questions about the video. I had no idea there were already that many people surfing over gopher/ftp/mosaic. Within months, it was becoming very obvious to me that the web was the perfect medium for our sport's growth. I invested a lot more time in it. I shifted focus away from some of my other footbag projects (as if I really had or have the time to begin with, but what's passion if not a way to spend the time you don't have?). Concurrently, three things started to happen: (1) footbag players around the world started finding out about the interesting discussions taking place on the e-mail lists Jim Curtis and I maintained--they actually started *getting online* (buying computers, modems, getting AOL or other service providers) for the first time ever *just* to participate in the footbag discussions; (2) the media started actually taking an interest -- the website was covered on PBS, in several print publications, in newspapers, and on the nationally syndicated TV show CNET in its first season; and (3) new players started sprouting up in pockets all over the world. One place that took me by complete surprise was New Zealand. I guess they're such a small island that they get really bored easily. :-) So they were not surprisingly one of the first non-American countries (next to Finland, for similar but different reasons) to have internet access. Adrian Dick wrote me about that Rippin' video, that he found by surfing over ftp soon after I uploaded it. He asked me so many questions that, by the time we were done, he had begun his own move list. He started asking others, joined the e-mail discussion, traded video with Mighty Mike Niday, and before long was not only one of the best freestylers in New Zealand (okay, admittedly not hard :-)), but the co-author of the official Move List that I ended up putting on footbag.org (after much editing :-)). His helpers were Damian Coventry and Stu Macferson. The three of them are now insanely good freestylers -- among the top in the world, no doubt. (I actually went all the way to New Zealand to visit them one year, and aside from their bad accents and frequent guilts, they blew me away because they had learned everything they knew from video and the internet. Who knew they were trend-setters and this would be the wave of the future.) Of course, of the few people to actually read this far, I'm confident Adrian will give me shit for this paragraph. :-) That list was one of the tools that transformed the sport. To this day, though, it causes as many problems as it solves. Text is just not a good way to describe this sport. Sure, Ben Job came up with a good way to type the moves in (nothing spectacular, but mostly functional). By the time I got to the '95 Worlds (okay, I didn't have to go anywhere since I produced it here in Menlo Park and San Francisco, with lots of help), the myth (er, legend) of the BAP had spread like wildfire, and kids were showing up hitting insane combos that only a few years before were reserved for the Old Masters (who themselves still hadn't hit 28 by that point). Arriving in San Francisco for his first Worlds that year was (a very young) Ryan Mulroney. His friend Shesha Marvin (who found footbag through the internet the first year my site was up, and befriended me electronically) brought Ryan with him, since they'd both been pouring over the move list and were really into this thing. Realizing text wasn't the best way to teach the sport online, I endeavored to add video. It was always a complicated task. I figured out that if I just recorded individual freestyle tricks, I could keep the file sizes small enough that people would actually download them. I took the move list (which Adrian so nicely made into a database, so I just had to import it) and wrote a dynamic web application around it. I added the ability to attach video clips to the moves, and made it so it was very easy to edit it online. This changed everything. Then, it was possible to easily extend the list, edit it, keep it up to date, add video clips, and really begin to help people *learn* the sport online. Of course, this in conjunction with a very well populated (and reasonably up to date) club list, event list, and mailing list, so people could get "hooked in" to the footbag network (in the non-technical sense). So I spent those hours building it, and still do, but there aren't enough hours in a day. I am still working on my dream. Stand by. And feel free to help. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 09:05:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07287 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:05:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02812 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:14:36 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FIX00F01085FO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 02:14:29 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium Butterflies are weak because... In-reply-to: <199909302144.RAA53950@m56-129-30.mit.edu> To: Samuel Andrew Hires Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Samuel Andrew Hires wrote: > Does anybody agree with this? > Symposium butterflies are weak/should not exist I disagree. They are sometimes weak because the dex is not always strong and definable as it should be if you want symposium and not refraction. Now I know you wrote about a full dex being mandatory to have the symposium involved and I disagree with that as well. I've said before I think we need half adds for exactly this problem with backside symposium sets (and other questionables). In my opinion the dex counts...period. Otherwise you need to take away the stepping dexs or pixie dexs because they are not full either. The problem actually exists with the symposium part of the move, not the dex. The dex is the same as it's always been, but how you set and balance or hop around changes which is what symposiums are about, not planting while hopping over the bag. So that's what I think anyway and it makes me sleep better at night as I drifter off in to my half-sleep combos. Later, BRAD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 18:35:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07813 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:35:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22215 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <19991001174935.20348.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.216.156.133] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:49:35 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] gods To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wouldent it be really neat to have profiles of all the top freestylers on the internet like Peter Irish, Scott Davidson, Ryan Mulroney and all the others. I would really like to know more about these people because they are like celebs to me. Im serious! They are my gods! Jamez Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 22:27:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08033 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:27:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28691 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:35:01 -0700 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25607; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:34:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:34:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M cc: Samuel Andrew Hires , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium Butterflies are weak because... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Samuel Andrew Hires wrote: > > Does anybody agree with this? > > Symposium butterflies are weak/should not exist > sets (and other questionables). In my opinion the dex counts...period. > Otherwise you need to take away the stepping dexs or pixie dexs because > they are not full either. The problem actually exists with the symposium > part of the move, not the dex. The dex is the same as it's always been, I think you misunderstood Samuel. He said for the *Symposium* add to count the dex has to be full. Half dexes would still be treated exactly the same, except when symposium. You would not have to do anything with stepping dex or pixie dexs, but this would make a pogo set not have the symposium add and make dada not have the symposium add. I agree with this completely. Changing the definition of symposium could make sympsoium butterflys only worth 3 adds and dadas worth 4 and pogo sets worth 1. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 1 22:27:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08038 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:27:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30657 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:38:10 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zQZY0iT_gy (4465) for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <888f09ab.25268343@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:03 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] competition anxiety To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is to all you guys who responded to my urgent cries..hehe. Should I really compete intermediate? I personally think that I would get killed. I"ve never competed before and this would be my first time at a tourney. And besides, that weakside double over down, Ken, was total luck. I've only hit it like twice..I can barely hit clippers(like 3 out of 5 tries). But thanks for all your help. Hey Derric, if i do compete intermidiate, do i have to sign up before the tourney starts coz there's a cost? How do i sign up? Hey Ariel, you going to TX states? I would love to get hooked up with the net game. Cya guys there! Thanks Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Oct 2 00:53:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08154 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:53:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04744; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:46:42 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zELLUzuXL_ (4248); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d432eb3.2526a1be@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:46:06 EDT Subject: Re: Re: [freestyle] Video Move Clips To: brat@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/30/99 11:45:48 PM, brat@footbag.org wrote: <> THis was the first "freestyle" I ever saw...back in late '96 as I was skooling legovers and ATW's I saw the caption saying something like "Rippin bustin out four-add combos like cake"... right then and there I was hooked... ~Bryan F. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Oct 2 03:13:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08269 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 03:13:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10832 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:14:34 -0700 Received: from postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.91]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id TAA02866; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA14485; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQGn+WiIE79Kkc70yiEt4XurEXGaAIVAL82Bi7ITnm6ZmIioTlUoMa6H8L2 From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:14:27 -0400 (EDT) To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu (Jeremiah J. Riely) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium Butterflies are weak because... Message-ID: <8077-37F56A83-4366@postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Jeremiah J. Riely" 's message of Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:34:50 -0500 (CDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > and pogo sets worth 1. I thought pogo IS worth 1. GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Oct 2 21:30:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09471 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:30:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16951 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:44:46 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991002204445.XLPR17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:44:45 -0700 Message-ID: <37F66E70.7FC2E50E@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 15:43:28 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move list - again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all. Ok. I've got some move names that I want cleared up. Some are suggestions that I like... and some I don't. Either way, I don't like the idea of having the final say on what is named what. So, I'm doing it the democratic way. We're going to have a vote. I won't put any of these moves up until at least one person responds to let me know that a proposed move name has been seconded. Cool? Here goes. I'll do this in two chunks so that there won't be soooo many. Pandora: Gyro IN legover clip > (back) spin > same in > same toe Paralax: Gyro OUT legover clip > (back) spin > same OUT > same toe Parabola: spinning IN legover clip > (back) spin > op in > same toe *** note that a merkon is a spinning OUT legover *** Juggernaut: Fairy symposium eggbeater TOE > SAME OUT > (no plant while) OP OUT > OP OUT > SAME TOE Tappage: I suppose this would be pronounced like mirage. Tapping double mirage TOE > OP OUT (plant) > SAME IN > SAME IN > OP TOE Predator: Atomic double leg over TOE > OP OUT > OP IN > OP OUT > SAME TOE Smearage: Again, rhymes with mirage Pixie double mirage TOE > SAME IN > OP IN > SAME IN > OP TOE Trochus: pronunciation anyone? Atomic symp reverse mirage : backside symp omelette TOE > OP OUT > (no plant while) OP OUT > OP TOE Witchdoctor: Atomic symp mirage : backside symp atom smasher TOE > OP OUT > (no plant while) > OP IN > OP TOE Also a frontide trochus and frontide witchdoctor (first dex symposium instead of the second) SPITFIRE: a swirl to dragon, that is, clip > same back-to-front swirl > same dragon (cross-body outside stall) SNAP DRAGON: reverse swirl to dragon clip (or dragon) > same front (swirl) > same dragon DRAG: osis caught on dragon clip > (back) spin > op dragon. SNAP DRAGON: a butterfly stall ending in a dragon toe or clip > op out > op dragon DRAGSTER: a drifter caught on a dragon clip > op in > same dragon If you've read this far, please take the time to provide feedback. I would appreciate it if you would send feedback to the entire list - not just to me. That way, everyone will be on top of what is called what. If I don't get an approval on the move name - or no new suggestions - I will continue to ask about that move in subsequent postings. Thanks. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Oct 2 22:01:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09526 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:01:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tony Glick Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zOCVa08846 (3975) for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18c99f71.2527cf96@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:13:58 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Re: Winden and intermediate To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Windsen wrote: << And besides, that weakside double over down, Ken, was total luck >> The fact that you have the ability to execute that move means you should compete intermediate. If you compete novice, the novice players might jump you after the tournament. Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Oct 2 23:53:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09850 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:53:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21240 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:08:06 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zRXMa21483 (4190) for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26f067a1.2527ea2d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:07:25 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Winden and intermediate To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. I think I'm gonna compete intermediate, even though I know I"m gonna get crushed. But that's fine coz i'm just going for the experience..mainly the shred circles. Cya there Thanks again Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 00:24:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09931 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:24:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22147 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:36:32 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #39336) with SMTP id <0FJ000I011KV0Z@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:36:31 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium Butterflies are weak because... In-reply-to: To: "Jeremiah J. Riely" Cc: Samuel Andrew Hires , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Jeremiah J. Riely wrote: > I think you misunderstood Samuel. He said for the *Symposium* add to count > the dex has to be full. Half dexes would still be treated exactly the > same, except when symposium. You would not have to do anything with > stepping dex or pixie dexs, but this would make a pogo set not have the > symposium add and make dada not have the symposium add. I agree with this > completely. Changing the definition of symposium could make sympsoium > butterflys only worth 3 adds and dadas worth 4 and pogo sets worth 1. Actually I didn't misunderstand it at all. I just disagree with making full dexes a necessity for symposiums. I think doing that would (or should) require making it a general rule for all kinds of moves that begin with stepping or pixie or pogo or shooting. As I said I find no fault in dexes (unless thay are not cleanly distinguishable) when it comes to symposium moves. I'm saying that it needs reevaluating, but not from the dex perspective, rather from the set perspective. I've said before that add system relies too heavily on whole points and needs half points or quarter points, as well as new categories to cover the gap. This may mean re-doing every single trick in add value, but the finished product will be closer to proper judgement. By the way, someone mentioned getting rid of the xbody add altogether and I disagree with that and think it should be lessened to a half add. These are just my thoughts and I think they are good ones which may need some hammering out. And to anyone who replies, this is for judging tourament style only. I still think adds have no place in friendly shred circles because they are too excluding. Thanks for reading my little bitch session, I love you all (platonically), BRAD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 03:41:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10086 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:41:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27078 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:43:14 -0700 Message-ID: <19991003024538.20039.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.216.156.187] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 19:45:38 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] my new moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Over the last three days I have learned how to hit ripwalks, stepping butterflys, and double dex mirages. Now that i can hit ripwalks i cant see how i hit a mirage first...or even a paradon. Ripwalk is the easiest move i have ever learnd. And for the people talkin' trash about the "weak" symposium butterfly, If you dont like a move, then dont do it. Its easy as that. Somone mentioned that it shouldent exist, but it does so there....get over it. Jamez Risden P.S. My dog chewed up my lavers :( P.S.S. My dog is dead now :) ===== From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 07:56:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10901 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:56:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f32.hotmail.com [216.32.181.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29172 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:02:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 43608 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 04:02:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19991003040213.43607.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.113.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:02:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.167.113.172] From: "Ryan B." To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move list - again Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:02:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >If you've read this far, please take the time to provide feedback. Well I don't think my opinion matters very much, but since you asked for it... Move names that I am indifferent about: Pandora Paralax Juggernaut Tappage Smearage Trochus SPITFIRE DRAG DRAGSTER Move names that sound cool: Predator Snap Dragon Witchdoctor Names I don't care for: Parabola - Sorry, I just think it's weird to name a move after the graph of an algebraic equation :-) One more thing, in the original message, SNAP DRAGON was described as: >a butterfly stall ending in a dragon >toe or clip > op out > op dragon I believe Jon Schneider named that move "Firefly." "Snap Dragon" refers to another move. Well there you go, my 2 cents. - Ryan Britt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 07:57:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10911 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:57:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (web119.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29097 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:00:55 -0700 Message-ID: <19991003040129.2923.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.137.66.106] by web119.yahoomail.com; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:01:29 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Johnson Subject: [freestyle] Needing some assistance! To: Footbag MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Guys and Gals: I just opened my new Sipa Sipa from the box and starting kicking around. To tell you the trueth, I don't have a clue what I am doing. So, what I need from you friendly people is some assistance. I would like to know how you started training; what skills you think are more important to learn first and resources you used to get educated in Freestyle, (example: videos and/or books). I went to Barnes and Noble, but didn't find any books :( Videos would be a very cool thing! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated from any and all participants. Thanks!! Aaron "?" Johnson (It looks most everybody on the list-serve has a cool middle name.) Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 08:00:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10936 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:00:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29684 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:25:39 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991003042538.BYMZ17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:25:38 -0700 Message-ID: <37F6DA7B.71F64C49@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:24:27 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] a place for everything and everything in its place. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Blame it on the chemistry major in me, or just blame it on my anal retentive nature - I NEED to break each freestyle move down into its basic components. These are all of my proposed "families" of moves. You might be wondering why this is important. Let me tell you. Steve G. has put up a great search feature on the moves list. When you search for blurry, it finds all blurry moves. Pretty simple, right. Well, if a move is called blizzard, we have trouble. Blizzrd is blurry, but blurry isn't in the name. So, most moves fit into a family so that they do pop up on a search. Say you have just discovered that you can do an atomic set. Well, search for atomic and find out about the possible moves - legbeater, atom smasher, etc. So, we all agree that this is a good idea :) Here are my proposed standards. These are all done in the interest of making it EASY to classify moves. blurry: clip > op in > op stepping: clip > op in > same pixie: toe > same in > fairy: toe > same out > nuclear: clip > same out > atomic: toe > op out > op tapping: toe > op out > same gyro: clip > (back) spin > same spinning: clip > (back) spin > op shooting: clip > op in > op out > furious: clip > op in > same in > ****** By the way, these names are to be set in stone soon. If you object to any of them, let the whole list (freestyle@footbag.org) know. Here are my concerns. Any set description that ends with a '>' means that it doesn't matter which leg does the next dex. So, when you say "shooting butterfly", is that too ambiguous? Which side do you assume the butterfly is on? What about "pixie whirl"? Is that pixie same side or pixie op side? Does anyone care to come up with distinct family names for "shooting/furious same side", "pixie/fairy same side", or "nuclear same side"? Or, should I put them up on the move list with the long names - pixie same side whirl, etc.? ****** And, here are some components that I'm not really sure about - I'm assuming that the difference between duck and dive have to do with how the bag goes around your head with regard to the SET. Or, does it have more to do with the entire move (set and stuff done after the head dex)? Here are my proposed definitions. Let me know what you think. ducking: the bag goes over your head on the same side as the set. eg. A right toe or left foot clipper set > bag goes up the right side of your head and comes down on the left side. diving: opposite of ducking. The bag goes from a right side set (left clip or right toe) up the left side of your head and comes down on the right side. With these definitions, it is possible to get confused. What is a ducking butterfly? According to these definitions, you set and do a duck, but the butterfly can be on either side. So, do we need two more names for these type of moves? ducking same side, ducking op side, diving same side and diving op side. Hmmm... this could get complicated. Any ideas? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 08:02:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10956 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:02:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29749 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:30:08 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991003043007.BZLN17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: <37F6DB88.B8BB2472@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:28:56 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] and some more moves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org And some more moves... this will be the last batch for a while. Thanks for the feedback from the first list. I really would like it if you would send feedback to the entire freestyle list, though. Otherwise, I just have to summarize it and post it myself. So, expect a post from me on that pretty soon. DORK: a torque caught on a dragon clip > op in > (back) spin > op dragon DRAGONSTEIN: a ripstein to dragon, clip > same back > same back > same dragon Silo: Atomic Torque toe > op out > op in > (back) spin > op clip Kiwi: Atomic Drifter toe > op out > op in > same clip Assassin: Pixie Diving Mirage TOE > SAME IN > (dive) > OP IN > OP TOE Guillotine: Fairy Diving Mirage TOE > SAME OUT > (dive) > OP IN > OP TOE Skull Smasher: Atomic Ducking Mirage TOE > OP OUT > (?duck/?dive) > OP IN > OP TOE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 08:02:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10967 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:02:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30527 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:54:54 -0700 Message-ID: <19991003045457.21130.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.31.5.79] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:54:57 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: Stupid move names To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tony Glick wrote: don't want to say it was a Poisonous Toad. Move names with "atomic" are cool. I think we need rethink some of them. Yes!!! I'm stoked 'atomic' is accepted as a highly esteemed move name adjective. I personally think we need more silly, funny names like 'poisonous toad', 'royale w/ chz', 'schmoe', etc. Thank goodness we aren't all still in high school and concerned with what some "hot girl" we've never met, nor will ever meet again thinks about move names. We wouldn't have any fun with move names. Btw, Australia sure likes to suck all the cool names out of the pool. I got dibs on 'Guilotine'- blurry ducking drifter: no I'm not hitting it, but I still got dibs. Later, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 08:02:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10977 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:02:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30543 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:55:31 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991003045530.CERM17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:55:30 -0700 Message-ID: <37F6E17B.A8671066@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:54:19 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] other naming conventions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. I forgot to add something in that last list of sets and stuff. If a move contains spin element AFTER a dex element, the type of spin will be determined by where the bag is immediately before the spin. Make sense? Examples will help: fairy gyro mirage: After a right foot fairy set, the bag is on the right side of the body. So, a gyro mirage from this point would be a back spin (counterclockwise in this case) and a mirage with the left leg doing the dex and the right foot catching the bag. Cool? atomic gyro mirage: After a left leg atomic dex, the bag is on the left side of the body. So, a gyro mirage from this point would be a back spin (clockwise in this case) and a mirage with the right leg ending on a left toe delay. I know that people say gyro is when the set leg does the dex after the spin, but I say that does not always apply if a dex is done before the spin. Also, spin, gyro and inspin should be determined by the side of the body the set comes from. So, a right toe would be equivalent to a left foot clipper. If you set from a right toe and spin back (counterclockwise in this case), this would be spinning/gyro. But, if you set from a right toe and spin front (clockwise in this case), this would be inspinning. Note that an atomic gyro mirage does not involve a front spin - the spin was started after the bag was on the left side of the body making it a back spin. To do an atomic front spin (or inspin), you would do an atomic set followed by a hellish twist of the body to go the other direction (imagine a right toe > left leg out dex > counterclockwise spin > left leg in dex > right toe). Any problems with these definitions? Let the whole list know. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 08:02:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10992 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:02:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postman.bayarea.net (postman.bayarea.net [205.219.84.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30764 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:07:49 -0700 Received: from footbag.org (bfk.bayarea.net [209.128.69.40]) by postman.bayarea.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23531; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfk@footbag.org) Message-ID: <37F6E49C.5E52A281@footbag.org> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 22:07:40 -0700 From: Brian Kimball X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamez Risden CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] gods References: <19991001174935.20348.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jamez Risden wrote: > P.S. My dog chewed up my lavers :( > P.S.S. My dog is dead now :) Wow, you must be 1 3l33t3 D00d, "Jamez". brian (will steve moderate me into oblivion? he probably should...) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 08:06:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11049 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:06:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11046 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:06:50 -0700 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01522 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:23:43 -0700 Received: from [205.180.137.119] (dhcp-205-180-137-119.atext.com [205.180.137.119]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12606 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991003040129.2923.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> References: <19991003040129.2923.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:23:24 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Needing some assistance! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:01 PM -0700 10/2/99, Aaron Johnson wrote: > I just opened my new Sipa Sipa from the box and >starting kicking around. First mistake. >To tell you the trueth, I >don't have a clue what I am doing. It shows if you're using a Sipa. :-) >So, what I need >from you friendly people is some assistance. Actually, that's why I built the website. There's a FAQ (frequently-asked questions) that has the answer to exactly your question. http://www.footbag.org/faq/ In a few days we'll be relaunching the site with even more information, but for now, what's there is pretty useful. A list of things to do to get proficient in freestyle. Read the "freestyle" section of the FAQ. You have to scroll down a bit. >I went to Barnes and Noble, but >didn't find any books :( http://www.footbag.org/ is better than any book. :-) >Videos would be a very cool >thing! http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ has videos. More to come. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 20:47:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11834 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:47:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16414 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:43:36 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991003154335.FXBT17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:43:35 -0700 Message-ID: <37F77969.49F9FADC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 10:42:33 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Johnson CC: Footbag Subject: Re: [freestyle] Needing some assistance! References: <19991003040129.2923.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Aaron Johnson wrote: > > Hey Guys and Gals: > I just opened my new Sipa Sipa from the box and > starting kicking around. To tell you the trueth, I > don't have a clue what I am doing. So, what I need > from you friendly people is some assistance. I would > like to know how you started training; what skills you > think are more important to learn first and resources > you used to get educated in Freestyle, (example: > videos and/or books). Well, the first thing you need is a decent footbag. Sorry, but a Sipa just won't cut it. You need a bag made of facile or other SOFT material. Go to the WFA's page at http://www.worldfootbag.com and get a Juice, Stork, or a Revolution bag. Also, while you are on their site, get the instructional video Tricks of the Trade. It is a great tool for players at all levels. And, last but certainly not least, you need to get the Adidas Rod Laver tennis shoe. These shoes are very flat and very lightweight. Shorts are a must - no pants. After you get the right stuff, you need to practice all of your basic kicks - on both sides. Start with insides. Then do your outsides and your toes. Let me know when you can hit 50 in a row *alternating sides on every kick* and I'll give you some hints on the stalls. You need the kicks first. Good luck and welcome to the sport. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 3 20:48:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11848 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:48:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16753 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:56:12 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zJDQa29898 (4215) for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8e424f71.2528d673@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:55:31 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Needing some assistance! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id QAA11391 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear AJ, << I just opened my new Sipa Sipa from the box and starting kicking around >> First mistake. Sipas are worse than the more common guatÈ bags. Throw it out, order a juice or somethin. At this point, if I were you, I'd check the club listing on www.footbag.org and find some kickers in your area, or just start kicking ALOT at your school with some friends. and use both your legs the same, some of us (like me) are kinda behind the game because our strong side is many months ahead of our weak side, and it can take alot of remedial kicking to fix this problem. Just practice hard, and avoid games like "3-hack smack", I personally think they're against the general "feel" of the sport. Good luck, I think I speak for everyone on the list when I say you have our support when you need it. Matthew "Stupid" (ha ha, steve) Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 01:46:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12293 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:46:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f87.hotmail.com [216.32.181.87]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28135 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:38:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 79436 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 22:37:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19991003223756.79435.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:37:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.135] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] which footbag? Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 18:37:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, i've been 'hacking' on and off for a year or so. just kicking around with friends, playin kill, stuff like that. no real skills. i bought a hack a while ago (i guess it's a sipasipa kind), took out have the stuffing and more or less broke it in. i've been trying to improve, can kinda stall and all-around-the-world. but the bag really sucks. i was wondering what kinda bag i should get for practicing, and where? i live in nyc, so i'm sure there're stores around here, i just don't know any. so if anyone knows a nice store in new york and can advise on a bag (under $15) i'd appreciate it. (or if you can point out which is a good bag out of the ones they have at http://worldfootbag.com/catman/showgroup/footbags that would be great!) thanks a lot! Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 01:46:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12303 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:46:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32399 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:00:02 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zPXBa18968 (4002) for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7bd3ed83.252955ee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:59:26 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Some more moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, Today I got into some heavy shredding and hit some new moves. The first thing I did wasn't a new move but I thought it was cool: I linked 2 consecutive smogs together. Anyways, the move i hit was:toe >same in[dex]>op out[dex]>same out[dex]>same toe [del]. I'm thinking pixie double switchover? any cool name for it? And the second one:toe>same in[dex]>duck/dive(not sure what i did)>op in[dex]>op toe[dex]. Looks like a pixie ducking/diving mirage. Let me know If you've heard of any of these? oooh yea one more thing...what would be the time for kicking in intermediate competition? Thanks Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 02:03:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12415 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:03:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00350 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:11:32 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zWXDa26655 (4309) for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <75e5b9b2.252958a0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:10:56 EDT Subject: [freestyle] few questions To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi baggers I got a few questions where can I buy a carol bag and how much are they? I heard they were the best so I wanted to try one out. Also I always wanted to know, how much money do freestylers get for winning a tournament? Do they make enough to live, or do they have to get another job? Just a few questions. Adam Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 02:59:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12481 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:59:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02060 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:58:22 -0700 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00393 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:00:25 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <000701bf0e0c$3841dc60$60fdfea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some more moves Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:00:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Windsen Pan wrote: >consecutive smogs together. Anyways, the move i hit was:toe >same in[dex]>op >out[dex]>same out[dex]>same toe [del]. I'm thinking pixie double switchover? >any cool name for it? Holy smokes! I'm thinking that you've got the pixie set down pretty incredibly good. Are you wearing modified Lavers? I find that my toe buckets like to catch my attempts at pixies and send them flying. Gimme some tips!!! Please. Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 03:26:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12549 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:26:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03222 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:27:37 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zAPCa04663 (4002) for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35fadfa7.25296a6a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:26:50 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some more moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yea, I've realized that in that 1 and a half minutes, there is a lot of time. And shredding is not the thing to do coz you'll collapse from lack of breathe..hehe. Anyways, I'm from San Antonio, Tx. Are you coming to TX states ken? THanks Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 03:26:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12559 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:26:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03700 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:39:34 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zYETa21483 (4002) for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <849c6c2.25296d41@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:38:57 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some more moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave, I've noticed that lavers catch my pixie set as well. But i can still do them in while wearing them. I mainly freestyle in tevas or in barefeet. I can give ya as much advice on pixies as I can. These are my fav sets and i've gotten them down solid. Are you coming to Tx states? if yes, i can show ya there. If not, I'll give ya some help. First of all, and most important of all, DONT RUSH. Do this first: just lift your foot with the bag on it slowly and steady. You'll notice that at a certain point, the bag will just lift of your foot. This is where you want to execute your dex. When the bag leaves your foot, circle the it in one smooth motion. Do this several times and just let the bag drop after the dex(try to keep the bag moving straight up and down with your weight over it). If you do it correctly, you will notice that you have LOTS of time from when the dex is done to when the bag hits the ground for doing dexs and other tricks. Keep practicing this motion over and over until you get it down good. Once you master the set, all pixie set moves will come easy. Just remember these 3 things: 1. Dont rush!! Lift the bag slowly during the set(you want to set at about waist level) 2. Dont rush the dex either. you want the whole thing to be one solid and smooth motion. 3. keep your weight over the bag. while you do this, try to make the bag go straigh up and down. Hope this helps. Its a lil long. Keep working at it. Pixies are awesome moves! Windsen Pan P.S. are you coming to tx states? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 03:38:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12628 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:38:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04101 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:52:05 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zHGUu41JR_ (4002) for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.f782f02a.25297027@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:51:19 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some more moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org PIXIE PARADON SWIRL!!! whoa!! i can do pixie, i can do swirll..but a paradon in the middle!???..what would be jobs for that? Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 03:39:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12638 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:39:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04087 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:52:00 -0700 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.72.76.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.72.76]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06906 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004101bf0e13$573f58c0$4c48f5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] cokewalk Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:51:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, I have been trying relentlessly to do all these big add moves and the only one that's coming easy is a paradox dragonfly. Does this move have a name? If not I propose the name Cokewalk.. named after me :c) Sam Colclough. (Coke - Lo) Anyway, if there's already a name for it please tell me. I think the notation is.. clip > (no plant while) same in dex > OP inside kick (since my notation sucks) its basically a clipper set and then the setting leg swings around without planting and does a dragonfly. the setting leg being the leg that does a dexterity. so its a clipper paradox jumping leg in to out crazy kick.. is that something cool? please? eheh what about an around the world osis? Thanks for your time Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 04:24:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12937 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:24:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-104.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.94]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04946 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:15:18 -0700 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by mailsorter-104.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id TAA21887 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.91]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id TAA28942; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA09335; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAlMGI6MvYX5QYlSB6dXz6GgXcxSwCFH9kaXNu1AZ0pvczKNEq69XHznQi From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:37:48 -0400 (EDT) To: derric@dallasfootbag.org (Derric Scalf) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] and some more moves Message-ID: <8078-37F812FC-12488@postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Derric Scalf 's message of Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:28:56 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The only one I don't like is: DORK. GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 05:11:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12992 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:11:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f269.hotmail.com [216.32.180.227]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06550 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:15:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 35709 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 04:15:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004041503.35708.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.75 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 21:15:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.75] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] which footbag? Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:15:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org thanks guys! wash sq is growing dead towards the winter.. it's getting cold. but i'll make sure to look around in the spring. i'm at nyu, so i'm always there anyhow. right now i usually find only a handful of people playing. and hey.. if i could stall a sipasipa.. i think that's skill. =) l8rz Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 05:51:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13060 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:51:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from nccn6.nccn.net (IDENT:root@nccn6.nccn.net [209.79.220.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07987 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:01:31 -0700 Received: from left (tc2-156.nccn.net [209.79.221.156]) by nccn6.nccn.net (8.9.3//8.9.3/*tdw* 99.09.29-) with SMTP id WAA18058 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:06:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01bf0e25$3ab9d7e0$9cdd4fd1@left> From: "Lon Smith" To: "footbag" Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Butterfly's are weak because Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:55:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have to say that all Brad has said on the list is cool. And I espeially agree that the problem is that there should only be the one single hop to complete the dex to make a move symposium. EXCEPT for some moves like Symposium mirage, an Pixie,,,,BUT for the butterfly I think that would be a GREAT improvement to the definition of SYMPOSIUM. Tahnks Brad What were you calling that moves I So very much complemented you on. That ATomic Twirl or Tapping Gyro REV whirl. What is the name? Best Move EVER PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. (This Message was sent by ShredOnLawnLON) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 07:59:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13134 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:59:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA11253 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:00:34 -0700 Message-ID: <19991004070353.871.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.40.56.245] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:03:53 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: ermo naarits Subject: [freestyle] hop over To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Please tell me the easiest way to do hop over ERM From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 18:01:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13999 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:01:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25639 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:27:34 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA29289; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:26:58 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8078-37F812FC-12488@postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Derric Scalf 's message of Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:28:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:38:11 -0600 To: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson), derric@dallasfootbag.org (Derric Scalf) From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] and some more moves Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All! At 10:37 PM -0400 10/3/99, Greg Nelson wrote: >The only one I don't like is: DORK. I have been doing that now for a while, and that is exactly what I have been calling it, except I spell it, "DORQUE" Has anyone noticed that when you do a Dorque without stepping the dex/catch leg down, that it feels more like a drifter. So when I do them, I think of the stepping version as the Dorque and the drifter version as the "DRAGSTER", even though they are technically identical by the current system. I don't even want to clutter my mind with Jobs notation on these dragon moves. That's a whole other thing. See ya! Scott Davidson. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 18:01:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14009 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:01:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA26052 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:40:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 22234 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 13:40:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004134025.22233.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 06:40:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] some more moves Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:40:22 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Derric Scalf >Hello all. >Cool? Yes, it is a bit chilly here in Missouri. But, that is beside the point. I will give my opinions. I don't believe any of the names are horrific. I think Pandora is the baddest name on there--whomever came up with that, two thumbs up. Basically, I choose to second all but Predator, Dork, and Juggernaut(though, this is a very nice move). A pronounciation of Trochus would be nice also. Later, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 18:01:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13994 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:01:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25126 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:11:27 -0700 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA23790; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:11:05 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991003040129.2923.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:24:50 -0600 To: Aaron Johnson , Footbag From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Needing some assistance! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Aaron and all! >So, what I need >from you friendly people is some assistance. I would >like to know how you started training; what skills you >think are more important to learn first and resources >you used to get educated in Freestyle, Kick 1,000 kicks a day... minimum. Get the "Tricks of the Trade" Video by Kenny Shults. - WFA sells it, and they can be found within http://worldfootbag.com/ Keep kicking! See ya! Enlightener, Scott Davidson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 18:01:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14004 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:01:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17294 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:32:42 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:43:58 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378233AE5B2@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'GFSmoothie@webtv.net'" , derric@dallasfootbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] and some more moves Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:43:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Nobody likes a Dork. -----Original Message----- The only one I don't like is: DORK. GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 18:02:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14034 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:02:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f92.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.92]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA26099 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:44:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 81883 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 13:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004134336.81882.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 06:43:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] a place for everything and everything in its place. Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:43:36 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Um, what about toe > op in > ??? Ian D. MUFF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 18:02:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14044 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:02:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26170 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:45:28 -0700 Received: from smegma (user-2ivf1il.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.134.85]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11811 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991003234504.0082d210@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:45:04 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [freestyle] A new way?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just as Alex DeLarge was skeptical about change in his droogan ranks, so am I with regards to my footwear. But I have made a change nonetheless. I have given up on 4 years of enduring the "shoe of choice" (the Adidas Rod Laver, or ARL for short) for the following reasons: * too heavy (due to that nasty sole material) * inside contour is mediocre at best, especially for wide feet * poor cushioning (hence the need for Spenco insoles) In my opinion, the only thing *really* going for the Laver is the toe design. After seeing shredmaster Jason Cook (ex-Charlottean, now-San Diegoan) making me look like an absolute chump (I was havin' a bad day, really!) in his New Balance something-or-others, I decided to finally seek out a better alternative. As I am not comfortable with sandals (i.e., Tevas), I looked to typical running/walking/tennis shoes. The first catch of the day is the Reebok Classic (the vinyl/suede mix, not the leather ones). Here's the breakdown: Advantages: * very lightweight * nice shock absorption (no need for Spencos IMHO) * KILLER inside contour (more below) * cheap (<=$30) Disadvantages: * poor toe contour (challenging, yes, that's it...) * possibly quick to wear out (unknown as of yet) Yes, that wonderful inside shape is like a siren call. The sole is flared out along the inside surface, creating a wedge shape that probably comes close to the Teva's lure. You must chop out a portion of the insole that pushes against the fabric (the only mod I perform), but this is nothing new for longtime Laver users. My clipper stalls and sets have improved virtually overnight. But I must admit that toe stalls are sketchy...the design provides no help whatsoever and actually hinders things a bit by being slightly rounded. In summary, this is not the unholy grail, but it is, for my tootsies, a far better shoe overall than the ARL. As I find other usable alternatives, I will be sure to inform the masses...I encourage others to do the same. -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Geek Code v3.1: GCS d- s+:-- a- C++ W++ N++ w+ M- V-- t+ e++ h+ Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 4 18:02:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14052 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:02:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26174 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:45:30 -0700 Received: from smegma (user-2ivf1il.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.134.85]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29258 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991003231505.00811940@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:15:05 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some more moves In-Reply-To: <7bd3ed83.252955ee@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 08:59 PM 10/3/99 EDT, Windsen Pan wrote: > Today I got into some heavy shredding and hit some new moves. The first >thing I did wasn't a new move but I thought it was cool: I linked 2 >consecutive smogs together. Based on the length of time this guy has reportedly been doing freestyle (six months or so), my response to this posting is as follows: I quit. -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Geek Code v3.1: GCS d- s+:-- a- C++ W++ N++ w+ M- V-- t+ e++ h+ Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 5 04:01:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14923 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:01:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f232.hotmail.com [216.32.181.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06360 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:32:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 84029 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 19:31:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004193141.84028.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:31:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Needing some assistance! Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:31:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Aaron Johnson wrote... > I just opened my new Sipa Sipa from the box and >starting kicking around. To tell you the trueth, I >don't have a clue what I am doing. So, what I need >from you friendly people is some assistance. I would >like to know how you started training; what skills you >think are more important to learn first and resources >you used to get educated in Freestyle, (example: >videos and/or books). I went to Barnes and Noble, but >didn't find any books :( Videos would be a very cool >thing! > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated from any >and all participants. All I can tell you man, is if you have absolutely no experience in kickin' the damn thing then that's what you NEED to practice FIRST. Doing tricks may seem cool but everyone starts off by kickin' first then after months or years (depends how long you practice a day, if you're a fast learner, etc.) of knowing how to control THEN you start to pull off some tri