From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 02:10:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30239 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:10:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22491 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:07:47 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00383 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:06:19 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001301bf240e$4554f140$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:10:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Owen said: >has nemesis never been hit due to the 4 dexes? I have often wondered about this move. How close has anyone come to it? If a barraging set is really a set, then it would certainly seem theoretically possible. Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 02:20:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30274 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:20:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23089 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:32:47 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zDTVa29482 (4392) for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:32:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.723e7135.254e55ad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:32:13 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 10/31/99 10:30:47 PM, reiddm@magma.ca writes: << Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? >> Windsen Pan gets my vote. ;) Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 03:16:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30338 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:16:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24128 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:27:18 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991101032711.CCAB318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:27:11 -0800 Message-ID: <381D08A8.57ECC044@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:27:36 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Reid CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis References: <001301bf240e$4554f140$ef71fea9@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Taking bets? I say Sunil Tsunami Jani. -Derric Dave Reid wrote: > > Owen said: > >has nemesis never been hit due to the 4 dexes? > > I have often wondered about this move. How close has anyone come to it? If > a barraging set is really a set, then it would certainly seem theoretically > possible. Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? > > Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 03:16:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30343 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:16:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24105 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:24:47 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00309 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:23:18 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <000501bf2419$05d216a0$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:27:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- ><< Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? >> > >Windsen Pan gets my vote. ;) I forgot to give my bet... Peter Irish, if he tries for it. :) He is the superfly man, if he can't do it, nobody can! Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 03:41:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30383 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:41:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24578 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:41:40 -0800 Received: from funazs (r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com [216.164.37.251]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA26863 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002a01bf2419$b7c9c7e0$fb25a4d8@hlb.cable.rcn.com> From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <000501bf2419$05d216a0$ef71fea9@dave> Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:32:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > ><< Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? >> > > > >Windsen Pan gets my vote. ;) my bet is Ryan Mulroney hes amazing From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 08:22:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30827 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:22:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991101082805.YZQW9301.gigi.excite.com@prance.excite.com> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:28:05 -0800 Message-ID: <24930547.941444886251.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Lavers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.217 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I got the lavers but I will never where those things out in >public. Duz ne1 know of a better shoe to get that might look a little more >uptodate? there is no accounting for some people's taste ;), but as with the short-shorts that also make a bold fashion statement but are *absolutely required* equipment for freestyle, I've always been a proponent that one should consider function before fashion. Allan Victoria BC PS I think I look weird in any other shoe *but* a Rod Laver, *ALSO* Adidas does make the Laver 2000(or is it *Millenium*??), which looks considerable more "up to date" while still retaining footbag functionality, helluva lot lighter(though I've only ever tried them on in the store)...... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 16:13:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31033 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:13:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15878 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:00:03 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FKI00601DA5UI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:39:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:39:41 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:11:31 -0700 In-reply-to: <003901bf227c$17398d40$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> To: Eric Wulff Cc: "'freestyle'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Eric Wulff wrote: > >I've seen some of those sick bastards hitting symposium atomic stuff and > >it is MUCH harder (for me at least) than a regular atomic set. > > I'm curious... can you give some examples? I'll give an example! Last March I was practicing symposium atomic butterfly (frontside symp. legbeater), Symp. eggbeaters (atomic style), Frontside symp. Atom Smashers and Symp. Flux. I ended up pulling out my back and seeing a chiropractor 3 times a week for just over a month. The hard part is not being able to use your other leg to help switch your weight. Personally, the hip twist is rough enough as is, but then without the extra support it gets worse. But, it's still fun:-) Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 21:43:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31664 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:43:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15881 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:00:04 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FKI00701EHERN@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:05:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 01:05:38 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] a bunch of stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I finally hit back to back ducking butterflies yesterday:)(: Does anyone hit ducking same side or diving opposite side butterflies? I've never seen it, but I'm sure it's done. I almost hit the former last night as well. Ooo Ooo, I also hit my first blurriest. Couldn't play out of it though. What is a "Bock Set"? How about redefining "paradox" so as to include the problems of pdx swirls, twirls etc...? It always seems to me that one of the main reasons there is any problem with the add system is because it was developed before a lot of the newer tricks and concepts were. So by broadening the definitions I think there is a way to include those. But, I'm sure someone will vehemently disagree. May the flux be with you, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31700 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f210.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.210]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29743 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:35:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 95918 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 1999 19:35:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19991101193527.95917.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:35:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:35:27 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I was just wondering who came up with the names "Pixie" and "fairy" for pixie and fairy sets, and why. Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31705 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f212.hotmail.com [216.32.181.212]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA31277 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:25:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 68529 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 1999 20:24:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19991101202440.68528.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:24:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: move question Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:24:40 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, > my friend came up with this little move one day, i >was wondering if it was a real move in any sense... >what he does, is he stalls it between his thighs, as >he bends deeply at the knees, like a crotch stall or >something, then he kicks one leg forward, then kicks >another back, then he kicks it like a flying clipper. >so if anyone knows what this is called, or if is >anything period, please write back. Answer: Wheelchair Clipper Kick Mickey "the Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31720 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19991101193856.15502.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.195.24] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:38:56 PST Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:38:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Defilippo Subject: [freestyle] Re: dis'in lavers like dis'in self :) To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello this is mark d from bozeman. i hear lots of people saying lavers are shoes never to be worn in public. these shoes are old school. cant fathom how any body could dis the lavers .any body that is in to tennis could agree the rod laver is the best ever. (pete sampres close 2. soon to be first). any way they are the oldest tennis shoe around and i think there comfy. have some pride in wearing a shoe that no body knows about. any way gotz to go to class. in my lavers late markdshred@aol.com mark defilippo From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31730 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (mail.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31673 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:36:28 -0800 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA6A39; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:36:09 -0800 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: "Jeff Lopes" , Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ankle Strenth X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.51 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:36:09 -0800 Message-ID: <7727FFE8E19.AAA6A39@mail.csuchico.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Have you ever seen those therma bands that they have in gyms? Those work great for strengthening ankles. What you do is place the band around the bottom of the foot and pull up for added resistance (the harder you pull the higher the resistance). Then you would do a 1-3 sets of 10-12 repititions in each of the foot directions...flexion(point toe up), extention(point toe down), eversion(outside stall), and inversion(inside stall). That should increase strength and help with flexibility. Hope that helps some>> Tara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 00:02:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31927 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:02:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09822 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:58:03 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08922; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:58:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25206; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:58:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:58:00 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: move question To: Mickey Mayer cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19991101202440.68528.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Mickey Mayer wrote: > Answer: Wheelchair Clipper Kick > My friend used to call that the "cheerleader jestyr", but he would always jump up and down a couple of times with the bag between his legs before he launched into a huge flying clipper. -Phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 00:03:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31932 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:03:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10254 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:15:07 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02188; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Brad Kaplan cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] a bunch of stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > What is a "Bock Set"? A bock set is a step to a spin. I've always known it has stepping inspinning but there has been talk of redefining inspin. Set from right clipper, do an in-out dex with the left leg and then spin counterclockwise. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 02:03:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32018 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:03:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13728 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:13:46 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA2959 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:13:41 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:00 -0800 Message-ID: <003b01bf24d7$edf3a700$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mickey Mayer... >Triage is a triple pixie. Sorry, but a triage is a triple mirage... hence the "age". I don't quite see how a triple pixie is possible.... pixie>same barrage.. yes. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 02:27:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32045 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:27:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14188 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:26:12 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id nGBR6wx6T_ (4006); Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:25:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.38dcfac7.254fa59f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:25:35 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/1/1999 6:19:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, ewulff@jsishipping.com writes: << pixie>same barrage >> are you saying that pixie set can only be a single dex? if so how do you explain genz's enterage(sp?) that looks like the double dex is part of the set and thus being double pixie. My name is Josh Childs and i'm "special" From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 02:58:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32082 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:58:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15641 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:05:03 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA2931; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:42:18 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Cc: Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <003d01bf24db$ed4f53e0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org JC... >are you saying that pixie set can only be a single dex? if so how do you >explain genz's enterage(sp?) that looks like the double dex is part of the >set and thus being double pixie. >My name is Josh Childs and i'm "special" What I'm saying is that a triage is a triple mirage. Regarding the pixie stuff, if someone can set pixie style(bag is on the way up following all dexes) with 3 dexes than perhaps it is a triple pixie. Also, if Genzu completes his pixie to another same in dex and the bag is still clearly on the way up than I guess it would be a double pixie set. Basically I understand the pixie as a set not a move. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 03:11:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32109 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:11:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f121.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16178 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:17:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 11416 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 03:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102031631.11415.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.22.170.197 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:16:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.22.170.197] From: "Zeke ibardaloza" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shaka Zulu...or something rather Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:16:31 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Brad Kaplan >Does anyone hit ducking same side or diving opposite side >butterflies? W'sup, Isnt the second one Zulu Lelu? I saw Eric Wulff do that on an old MTV "hardcore" segment for Mtv Sports. Any one else happen to catch that a few years ago? Anyway, that's diving infinity, sick. I think that Wingert kid hits that too now :P, S'up Swingah! Later, ZEKE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 05:46:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32448 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:46:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20628 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:32:49 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00342 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:31:27 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001401bf24f4$06c8b420$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:35:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >What I'm saying is that a triage is a triple mirage. As in mirage, barrage, triage? That makes sense. Now where can I see someone do a triage? Is it on any of the videos? Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 05:46:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32453 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:46:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f57.hotmail.com [209.185.131.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21003 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:52:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 45560 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 05:52:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102055219.45559.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.58.225 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:52:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.58.225] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:52:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey kickers, whats up. Now you did it Ken,I finally have a reason to write in and complain about the names pixie and fairy. Now dont get me wrong- these are my favorite sets- especially fairy, but these names are f..ed up. I dont know how many times I have had to make fun of the names of my favorite moves because I couldnt say them with a straight face, cmon Fairy Dragonfly, fairy butterfly--LALALA I was kicking with Scott D. the other week and he told me pixie/fairy was simultaneously invented in the midwest and on the west coast, with the west coast names being pixie/fairy, and the midwest Thunder/Lightning This sounds a ton better to me, I dont know how anybody could think otherwise. So Derrick how bout a vote with one qualifier- In order to vote on the names of either of these moves I suggest that they must be a part of your "style", that way everybody wont vote to call it fairy even though they dont do any Lightning moves. Thanks, Jon Nagela >From: "KeN Somolinos" >To: Freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:35:27 EST > >Hey all, >I was just wondering who came up with the names "Pixie" and "fairy" for >pixie and fairy sets, and why. >Ken CF Somolinos > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 05:55:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32480 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:55:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21248 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:04:49 -0800 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10407 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:19:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911020519.AAA10407@admin.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:18:35 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] name for this? From: "Neil Bearse" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey... the other day i was kicking, and pretty much by mistake, i hit a delay with both insides at the same time. if you can picture it, landing on the outside edges of both feet (with your feet touching), knees bent and pointing outwards kinda, and the footbag rests on the surface created by the insides of the feet touching... kinda weird and awkward.... anyone have a name for this? Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 06:10:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32507 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:10:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21725 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:17:29 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:16:40 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782342712D@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'jon nagela'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:16:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree with Jon... I'd rather hit Thundering dragonfly than fairy dragonfly... PS. lets see someone go for consecutive butterfly delays... I wanna know how many u can do :) hehehe -----Original Message----- From: jon nagela [mailto:a455beater@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 1999 18:52 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets I was kicking with Scott D. the other week and he told me pixie/fairy was simultaneously invented in the midwest and on the west coast, with the west coast names being pixie/fairy, and the midwest Thunder/Lightning From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:44:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00650 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hangar18.dhome.com (qmailr@[209.75.67.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA09222 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:59:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 25328 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1999 13:53:03 -0000 Received: from ip-108-118.columbia.total-web.net (HELO pcgaming.com) (216.207.108.118) by softdnserror with SMTP; 2 Nov 1999 13:53:03 -0000 Message-ID: <381EDF59.EA049923@pcgaming.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:55:53 -0500 From: Joe Elliott - SilentDragon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] a few questions.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i am quite confused by the terminology like TOE > SAME IN/OUT [DEX] > SAME TOE [DEL] that is "Around the World" and i dont understand a bit of that sentence :P i have also heard of moves called a "rainbow" and a "donkey kick" are these even real terms for moves? :P thanks, Joe Elliott From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:44:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00656 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA02914 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:34:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 64874 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 10:33:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102103332.64873.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.145 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:33:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.145] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dragon Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:33:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Gang, I was kicking around a little yesterday waiting for someone and hit my first dragon stall, solidly and I don't even ever do outside stalls. The birds were shining, the sun was singing the sky was a bright green and the grass a happy blue and some where inspirational music was playing. Anyway the only way I can get my foot turned around that far is by cranking my hip into a really unnatural position, but when I look at tapes of people doing dragon it looks more clipperlike. Flexablility aside it seems like the joint cann't phisically turn that far, can anyone explain to me how this feat of contorsion is achieved? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:44:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00661 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08815 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:31:55 -0800 Received: from smegma (user-2ivf725.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.156.69]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05950 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:31:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991102083200.00823d20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:32:00 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets In-Reply-To: <19991102055219.45559.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >favorite moves because I couldnt say them with a straight face, cmon Fairy >Dragonfly, fairy butterfly--LALALA Does saying "fairy" really make you uncomfortable, Jon? >midwest Thunder/Lightning This sounds a ton better to me, I dont know how >anybody could think otherwise. Probably because the words pixie and fairy imply small things, like the half-dexterities of those sets, whereas thunder and lightning would be more suited to grander machinations. >qualifier- In order to vote on the names of either of these moves I suggest >that they must be a part of your "style", that way everybody wont vote to >call it fairy even though they dont do any Lightning moves. So are you going to rename all moves that aren't manly enough? Such as Cloud, Butterfly, and Bedwetter? Or is it just move names that go against your life "style"? Sorry to pick at you Jon, but someone had to. ;^) -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Geek Code v3.1: GCS d- s+:-- a- C++ W++ N++ w+ M- V-- t+ e++ h+ Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:56:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00715 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:56:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17550 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:08:24 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28306; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:06:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <381EDF59.EA049923@pcgaming.com> References: <381EDF59.EA049923@pcgaming.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:07:29 -0800 To: Joe Elliott - SilentDragon From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] a few questions.. Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:55 AM -0500 11/2/99, Joe Elliott - SilentDragon wrote: >i am quite confused by the terminology >like >TOE > SAME IN/OUT [DEX] > SAME TOE [DEL] >that is "Around the World" >and i dont understand a bit of that sentence :P >i have also heard of moves called a "rainbow" and a "donkey kick" >are these even real terms for moves? :P Please read http://www.footbag.org/faq/ and http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ before posting questions to the list. You'll find answers to many of your questions there (with more to come soon). The notation above is called "Jobs' Notation" after a guy named Ben Job who proposed it. You can read the 5-minute tutorial I wrote at http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ under the "Resources" section on the right. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 19:08:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00799 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:08:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19388 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:52:58 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991102184754.DEIK318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:47:54 -0800 Message-ID: <381F31F0.B97BA8AF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:48:16 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Dick CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets References: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782342712D@INETSRV> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote: > > I agree with Jon... I'd rather hit Thundering dragonfly than fairy > dragonfly... You know, right now, pixie and fairy do not imply same or opposite side. So, you can hit two pixie whirls or two fairy whirls. Two pixie osises, two pixie rev mirages, etc. So, what would people think about using the proposed thundering and lightninging (how the hell would you say that?) as modifiers to mean pixie same side and fairy same side respectively? So, if you say pixie whirl, it implies pixie opposite side whirl. But, if you say thundering whirl, it would mean pixie same side whirl (note: you need a plant after the first dex). Lightning whirl, lightning mirage, ligtning osis... does that sound goofy to anyone else? Anyway, by this suggestion, lightning would mean fairy same side. I like this because it eliminates any confusion about same or opposite side on pixie/fairy moves. Some people will rag on me for thinking that pixie same and pixie opposite need different names. To those people: Earlier (a few weeks ago) I posted a message asking what was assumed. I gave a list of moves (pixie whirl, fairy whirl, stepping whirl, atomic whirl, etc.) You would be surprised at the different answers. On stepping, *everyone* said that same side was implied. On atomic, *almost* all said that opposite side was implied. But, with pixie and fairy, it was split right down the middle. By that little experiment, if someone posts saying that they hit a pixie whirl, half of the list will assume they hit a different move from what was really hit. If we want clear communication of moves and move ideas over a written list, we need names that can't have multiple meanings. Let's take the assumption out of move names. You know what they say about ass-u-me ing, right? Thoughts? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 19:08:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00809 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:08:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20211 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:13:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 76973 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 19:13:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102191316.76972.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.165.113 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:13:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.165.113] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:13:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org << Jon Nagela wrote: hey kickers, whats up. Now you did it Ken,I finally have a reason to write in and complain about the names pixie and fairy. Now dont get me wrong-these are my favorite sets- especially fairy, but these names are f..ed up... >> You are absolutely right, this has gone far enough! No longer should we be burdened by these horrible names. This is a tough, athletic sport and we need move names that reflect this. From this day forward, I decree that "pixie" and "fairy" will be changed to "pansy-ass" and "wussy-boy." We can all sleep well tonight. DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:14:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00949 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:14:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f113.hotmail.com [216.32.181.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21922 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:08:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 97495 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 20:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102200731.97494.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:07:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] name for this? Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:07:31 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everbody, Neil wrote: > Hey... the other day i was kicking, and pretty much by mistake, >i hit >a delay with both insides at the same time. if you can picture >it, landing >on the outside edges of both feet (with your feet >touching), knees bent >and pointing outwards kinda, and the footbag >rests on the surface created >by the insides of the feet touching... >kinda weird and awkward.... Ouch, very awkward. One of my friends used to do this move all the time to get a couple of laughs in the circle and we used to call it the "Ankle-breaker." Peace, Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:14:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00954 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:14:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f193.hotmail.com [216.32.181.193]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22155 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:11:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 19492 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 20:11:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102201125.19491.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:11:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Consecutive butterflies Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:11:22 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Adrian Dick wrote: >lets see someone go for consecutive butterfly delays... I wanna know >how many u can do :) I believe that www.dallasfootbag.org holds a lot of records for freestyle moves. Check 'em out. Cool videos from Worlds '99 too. Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:17:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00979 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:17:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25586 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:28:03 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zNWSGyLl2_ (3934) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:27:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b4531940.2550b138@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:27:20 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/2/99 3:29:29 PM, grandincredible@hotmail.com writes: << From this day forward, I decree that "pixie" and "fairy" will be changed to "pansy-ass" and "wussy-boy." >> I agree with DanK's sarcasm. I thought that the footbag community was one of more maturity and intelligence than a community that would let their sexuality be disputed by move names beginning with pixie and fairy. Gimme a break, it's just a move name. If skateboarders can deal with announcers calling what they're doing a "gay twist" on the X-Games, then one can only assume that the footbag community can deal with pixie and fairy. Matthew "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:18:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00989 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:18:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f128.hotmail.com [209.185.131.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25711 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:30:26 -0800 Received: (qmail 87258 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 21:29:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102212956.87257.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.62.252 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:29:55 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.62.252] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:29:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org whats up Derrick, hows it going. My opinion is that pixie opp is really well established as pixie Ie... pixie butterfly, pixie clipper etc. so yes that should stay pixie, and what is now pixie same side IE... terrage with a plant, magellan,...? could become thunder. With fairy I think that it isnt well established at all which side it goes to, also I think that fairy same side is kind of weak, for example-fairy opp.clip vs. same clip, fairy same mirage vs. opp mirage, fairy same osis vs. opp osis etc. So for fairy I propose lightning imply opp.side and fairy be for same side. Also it is my opinion that my fairy set is definitely a full dex, would my fairy mirage get a bonus dex Eric? Does anyone hit fairy torque? Eli- have you ever hit nuclear torque? Talk to you later, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:52:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01056 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:52:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26950 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:05:40 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19770; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:05:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:05:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Derric Scalf cc: Adrian Dick , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets In-Reply-To: <381F31F0.B97BA8AF@dallasfootbag.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > You know, right now, pixie and fairy do not imply same or opposite > side. So, you can hit two pixie whirls or two fairy whirls. Two pixie > osises, two pixie rev mirages, etc. I don't see this as being a big problem. > So, what would people think about using the proposed thundering and > lightninging (how the hell would you say that?) as modifiers to mean > pixie same side and fairy same side respectively? > > So, if you say pixie whirl, it implies pixie opposite side whirl. But, > if you say thundering whirl, it would mean pixie same side whirl (note: > you need a plant after the first dex). I don't like this at all. It just makes everything more confusing. More names to remember for the same stuff. A pixie set is a pixie set. There shouldn't be another name for pixie set to same side. It is still and always will be a pixie set. It is just followed by something different. I do, however, think that pixie set should imply opposite side unless otherwise stated. So to clarify which move you are talking about, say just pixie for pixie to opposite side stuff and pixie same side for pixie same side stuff. There is no need for another name. > I like this because it eliminates any confusion about same or opposite > side on pixie/fairy moves. I think it is unnesesary to make more names for components, especially since all these new names mean is pixie or fairy to some side. Just say same side to clarify. > Some people will rag on me for thinking that pixie same and pixie > opposite need different names. To those people: Earlier (a few weeks > ago) I posted a message asking what was assumed. I gave a list of moves > (pixie whirl, fairy whirl, stepping whirl, atomic whirl, etc.) You > would be surprised at the different answers. On stepping, *everyone* > said that same side was implied. On atomic, *almost* all said that > opposite side was implied. But, with pixie and fairy, it was split > right down the middle. Ok. I agree that something should be done for the sake of clarity. I just think that new names for components is not the answer. Pixie and fairy should indicate one side or the other unless otherwise started. The side it indicates is arbitrary. > By that little experiment, if someone posts saying that they hit a pixie > whirl, half of the list will assume they hit a different move from what > was really hit. If we want clear communication of moves and move ideas > over a written list, we need names that can't have multiple meanings. > Let's take the assumption out of move names. You know what they say > about ass-u-me ing, right? Names don't have multiple meanings. The descriptions of components in a move is not a name (previsouly stated by ew multiple times), it is just what we use to identify the move because it doesn't have a name. I think the solution to making everything unambigous does not lie in making up new names for components, but instead just giving more information in the descriptions of components for moves that don't have names. This can be done in any case, but the methods need to be standardized in my opinion. One thing that is really bad is spins, you can't tell what side is doing what at all in many cases, but it could be fixed if we imposed standards on how to describe a move by namimg its components. later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:55:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01066 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:55:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01063 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:55:02 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27095 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:10:10 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19070 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:09:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911030550.VAA01046@list.footbag.org> References: <199911030550.VAA01046@list.footbag.org> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:10:46 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeremiah Riely wrote: >I don't see this as being a big problem. > >....snip.... > >I don't like this at all. It just makes everything more confusing. > >....snip.... > >I think it is unnesesary to make more names for components, especially >since all these new names mean is pixie or fairy to some side. Just >say same side to clarify. That's right. I agree. More from me later. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:58:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01648 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:58:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28105 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:37:49 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991102223748.GWHT318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:37:48 -0800 Message-ID: <381F67D4.A57838AC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:38:12 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremiah J. Riely" CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Jeremiah J. Riely" wrote: > > > > So, if you say pixie whirl, it implies pixie opposite side whirl. But, > > if you say thundering whirl, it would mean pixie same side whirl (note: > > you need a plant after the first dex). > > I don't like this at all. It just makes everything more confusing. More > names to remember for the same stuff. A pixie set is a pixie set. There > shouldn't be another name for pixie set to same side. It is still and > always will be a pixie set. It is just followed by something different. I > do, however, think that pixie set should imply opposite side unless > otherwise stated. So to clarify which move you are talking about, say just > pixie for pixie to opposite side stuff and pixie same side for pixie same > side stuff. There is no need for another name. Works for me. Now you just have to convince the half of the list that thinks pixie implies same side. I couldn't care less if pixie implies same or opposite side... as long as everyone is on the same page. So, from this day forward, pixie implies opposite side. If you do a pixie whirl, it is pixie opposite side whirl. Now, does fairy imply same side (like stepping does), or does it imply opposite side (like pixie)? If everyone can agree what is implied by the set name, then there wouldn't be any need for two names per set. Would you like to get rid of tapping (instead, you would say atomic same side) and slapping (you would say quantum same side)? As long as there is a unique name for each unique move, I'll be happy. Until that day, I'll bitch and moan... -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01658 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Dave Cecconi Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27421 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:16:39 -0800 Received: from DukeBluDevils@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zWFNa15805 (3860) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.6c56f6c8.2550bca2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:02 EST Subject: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I sent a mail that stated that I hit a move and wuz wondering if it wuz performed before. I couldn't find a job that described it on footbag.org so I was wondering if I could name it...here's my job and description: Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] Eg: Hit a Left Toe Stall. Set and dex from out to in with your right leg. Now spin to your left (CounterClockwise), while planting your right foot 3/4 of the way through the spin. Dex from in to out with your left foot. Now catch on a right foot toe stall. It's a hard move to describe bcuz of the spin. It looks really neat if you hit it. I know it can be done cuz I have been practicing it for awhile. I've had the bag hit my toe a few times on the end stall but i can't catch it bcuz of my balance after the spin>dex. Anyhooo, i've been callin the move the "Carrousel", cuz that's what it sorta reminded me of. Well if it sounds too corny or wussy for you people who hate pixie and fairy, let me know if you want me to change it to sumthin more brutal and barbaric. And another thing...we should definitly keep pixie and fairy...but we may wanna add a little sumthin to pixie whirls and fairy whirls bcuz it's not understood clearly. We should still keep pixie and fairy in the name, but mayB just add sumthin so we all get on the same page here. Well that's just my thoughts. Pleez sum1, say sumthin regardin that move i wuz talkin about. Well thanx alot- -Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01668 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27542 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:20:14 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00406 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:18:47 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001e01bf2580$b8818200$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:22:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >So, what would people think about using the proposed thundering and >lightninging (how the hell would you say that?) as modifiers to mean >pixie same side and fairy same side respectively? Well, for what it's worth, I don't like it. >I like this because it eliminates any confusion about same or opposite >side on pixie/fairy moves. I like the idea of eliminating confusion, and I think you guys are going in the direction of increasing confusion without even realizing it. In order to shorten the names of moves, you are adding new words into the mix and throwing out words that already have meaning. If you really want to clarify which side the next move is done on, you should: a) add a suffix to the set name b) add a prefix to the following move or c) add "opp" and "same" in between the set and move How does "thundering" help simplify "pixie same"? It might be fine alone, but how am I going to remember the difference between "thundering" and "lightning" (if I even remember that they are related) when there are 50 words to describe how a move starts? I would also really prefer if the move names had SOME relation to what the moves are. The recent suggestions (and some older ones) have been all over the map. The number of possible moves has increased dramatically, and to throw meaningless names at every variation of every move is a big mistake in my opinion. Someone will need to start selling a footbag dictionary! Examples of good names off the top of my head: ATW Whirl Swirl Twirl Legbeater Torque Stepping,Tapping Infinity All of these give a sense of what they are, and are easy to remember right from the first time you see them. Well, I've blabbed enough. Hopefully I'm not alone in my view. Later, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01678 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28256 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:42:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 68041 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 22:41:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102224149.68040.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.200.57 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:41:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.57] From: "andrew cohen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] lavers modify Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:41:49 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yeah when i modify my lavers o i cut the toe strip that hold the sides down on both sides??? thank andrew cohen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01688 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28913 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:03:25 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.78.69.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.78.69]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29648 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:03:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004901bf2586$59dd8b80$454ef5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: References: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782342712D@INETSRV> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:02:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Adrian Dick > PS. lets see someone go for consecutive butterfly delays... I wanna know > how many u can do :) > > hehehe I did 6 once.. on one side though. Not infinity. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01698 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29204 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:11:05 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.78.69.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.78.69]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05110 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:10:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007d01bf2587$6a8b7400$454ef5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] Double dex Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:10:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can someone give me some advice on getting double dexes? I can hit left and right pixies, left and right mirages, left and right leg overs, left and right ATW's, both dragonflies, and both butterflies. But for some reason I haven't been able to manage any double dexes yet. Paradoxing moves isn't that hard but.. Well anyway. Hi everyone! Hi Austin. Eric Wulff is COOL. Thanks, Sam Colclough http://www.penny-lane.com/sam http://mp3.com/hs From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:01:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01712 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:01:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29775 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:28:11 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr107.clearsail.net [207.252.227.107]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08452 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:12:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005301bf258a$ac8e8880$6be3fccf@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:33:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org jon wrote: > I was kicking with Scott D. the other > week and he told me pixie/fairy was simultaneously invented in the midwest > and on the west coast, with the west coast names being pixie/fairy, and the > midwest Thunder/Lightning I do a lot of pixie and fairy set moves, and I think those names sound a lot better than thunder and lightning. I think we should stick with the current names. Derric wrote: > You know, right now, pixie and fairy do not imply same or opposite > side. So, you can hit two pixie whirls or two fairy whirls. Two pixie > osises, two pixie rev mirages, etc. > If we want clear communication of moves and move ideas > over a written list, we need names that can't have multiple meanings. I agree with Derric in that we need specific names to distinguish same side and opposite side moves. Not necessarilly lightning or thunder. James "ska boy" Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:04:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01723 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:04:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f219.hotmail.com [209.185.130.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00626 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:13:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 16204 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 01:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103011320.16203.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.75.31.242 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:13:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.75.31.242] From: "Josh Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:13:20 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. And Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. Thanks, Josh Wilson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:52:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01857 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:52:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05386 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:50:06 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991103035001.MDBQ318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: <381FB103.6A318FBE@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:50:27 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Wilson CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] can someone help References: <19991103011320.16203.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Clippers? http://www.dallasfootbag.org/tutorials/the_clipper_delay.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:53:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01868 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:53:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f121.hotmail.com [216.32.181.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05488 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:55:27 -0800 Received: (qmail 4327 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 03:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103035457.4326.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.79 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:54:56 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.79] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:54:56 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org visit http://www.dallasfootbag.org/tutorials/the_clipper_delay.html for help with the clipper. if you can't get it and you think you're not even positioning your foot correctly, don't worry.. try to keep it level and PRACTICE. 3 weeks ago i was feeling the same way you were, and about 2 days ago my foot suddenly went down in the correct motion. another 3 weeks and i'll probably won't have major problems with it.. another year and it'll be natural =) also, just practice standing in the clipper position with the bag on your foot, move your foot up and down and try not to let the bag fall. same with dexes.. practice, practice, practice. you'll notice that you're gaining speed and accuracy with every week (that's if you practice regularly). i'm pretty much a newbie to the sport as well (it's been about 5 or 6 weeks) but i can tell you that most of the skillz come from practice. not from any secrets written down in some little black book that all these shredders carry in their lavers. which reminds me, having a comfy shoe with a nice instep (like lavers) helps A LOT in doing inside stalls and the clipper. good luck! -Stan. >Hello, > >I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper >stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. >And >Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. > >Thanks, > >Josh Wilson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 05:16:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02103 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:16:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f137.hotmail.com [209.185.131.200]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07619 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:29:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 44373 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 05:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103052924.44372.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.58.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:29:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.58.54] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:29:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey James, whats up! Ok I give up, it looks like pixie and fairy are going to stay the same-- that is until I start coming up with some unique moves that I can name myself. Its good to hear that you are doing fairy sets as hardly anybody was doing them at worlds this year. Come to think of it i have never even seen one on video yet. I was wondering what kind of fairy moves you do? Later Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 05:22:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02125 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:22:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07711 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:32:05 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.71.85.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.71.85]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15530 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:32:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005401bf25bc$a4d89540$5547f5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Freestyle Mailing List" Subject: [freestyle] reverse hopover and reverse eclipse Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:31:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there a name for a backwards hopover and a backwards eclipse? I can do both. If there is not a name a nominate the backwards eclipse to be called a lunar eclipse! Sam Colclough http://www.penny-lane.com/sam http://mp3.com/hs From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 05:22:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02130 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:22:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04869 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:26:32 -0800 Received: from funazs (r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com [216.164.37.251]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA02592 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:26:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004701bf25ab$65187440$fb25a4d8@hlb.cable.rcn.com> From: "MIke Furnari" To: Subject: [freestyle] rod laver 2000 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:27:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id FAB02130 Hello, has anyone ever seen or tried these shoes for hacking. I am intrested in getting a pir, but if they dont compare to the origionals then i will surely get the origionals, a picture would be nice thanks alot --Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 16:51:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02830 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:51:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f281.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.59]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA25991 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:51:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 94294 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 12:50:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103125033.94293.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.72 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 04:50:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.72] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 04:50:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Cecconi wrote: Hey everyone, >I sent a mail that stated that I hit a move and wuz wondering if it >wuz >performed before. I couldn't find a job that described it on >footbag.org so I was wondering if I could name it...here's my job and > >description: Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] If I understand you, then I asked about this move myself a while back and I beileve Eric Burges(sp? sorry) named it tornado, and long before that I think "the disco ninja" named it "leaning gyro" but that might have been in referance to a blurry inspinning miraje, or "bocking miraje", as you like. Clear as mud? As to the move list on footbag worldwide, by my calculation it contains about 15% of all moves that have been hit, which is just enough to get most of the common moves, and an inpressive feat in and of itself. Hopefully Derric "the enlisted" Scalf can add some more. -Andrew P.S. I was playing and I hit wussy-boy butterfly to bedwetter to a flaming toad, cool huh, now if I could just get down big apple sause to pork chop. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 17:45:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03015 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:45:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02076 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:35:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 74237 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 17:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103173518.74236.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:35:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:35:18 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, Dave Cecconi inquired about this move: >Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] To which Andrew responded: >If I understand you, then I asked about this move myself a while back and I >beileve Eric Burges(sp? sorry) named it tornado, and long before that I >think "the disco ninja" named it "leaning gyro" but that might have been in >referance to a blurry inspinning miraje, or "bocking miraje", as you like. To my understanding, the move described is an atom smasher with a spin in the middle, I think Lynton Stephens calls this a Neutron Smasher. I never heard of leaning gyro, but Tuan has hit Leaning Jowler, which is a boxk set mirage. Stepping in spinning mirage. May I request that if somebody is not hitting a move, that they not try and name it, or at least not without the approval of whoever first hit it? Peace everybody, Ken "C-Fan" Somolinos Bear Feet/NYFA From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 19:12:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03147 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:12:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05324 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:20:52 -0800 Received: from [24.5.70.19] by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:20:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:18:22 -0700 Subject: [freestyle] rolls no good? From: "Josh Cope" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've noticed that they're are no adds and seemingly no interest in rolls (None of the videos I've watched @ footbag.org has done any). A nicely controlled full-body roll can be quite difficult and pretty styley. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 19:28:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03172 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:28:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05901; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:38:00 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20133; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:37:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> References: <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:38:30 -0800 To: "Josh Cope" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] rolls no good? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:18 PM -0700 11/3/99, Josh Cope wrote: >I've noticed that they're are no adds and seemingly no interest in rolls >(None of the videos I've watched @ footbag.org has done any). A >nicely controlled full-body roll can be quite difficult and pretty styley. Yeah, unfortunately the rule book isn't particularly clear on this, but in the last N years of running or helping with freestyle competitions, I have always been saying: (1) a body roll is a "body" add; different parts of the body constitute different trick (i.e., a roll across the chest is a different move than a roll down the arm, etc.). (2) a body roll doesn't get any other adds (unless done with the legs :-)), so it's always 1 body add Make sense? Steve P.S. Pretty much the same rules apply to body stalls, such as eye-socket stalls, neck stalls, forehead stalls, and the like. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 19:31:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03186 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:31:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03183 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:31:22 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06256 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:46:26 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25227 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:45:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:46:23 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] rolls no good? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I wrote: >P.S. Pretty much the same rules apply to body stalls, such as >eye-socket stalls, neck stalls, forehead stalls, and the like. But I left out one critical bit -- I meant to say "except that it's an unusual-surface add, not a body add". Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 21:27:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03298 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:27:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07658 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:22:16 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:21:27 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823427146@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Trixx Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:21:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is the difference between Shooting Butterfly and Blurry Legbeater? Why does the second trick get a paradox add? It seems to me that the only difference is an extra step, which should not in itself be the defining paradox element. Any ideas? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 21:28:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03308 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:28:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07349 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:14:10 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:13:20 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823427144@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:13:18 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Hello, > >I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper >stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. And >Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. Speaking of clipper stall, I propose we rename it to 'Flaming Minstrel'. It sounds much better :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 22:51:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03378 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:51:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13111 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:58:02 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00328 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:56:28 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001a01bf264f$1eebb960$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:59:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper >stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. And >Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. Check out the www.dallasfootbag.org page for tips. I'm pretty sure that Derric posted clipper tips there. As someone who recently picked up clippers myself, I have a few very specific tips. These are things that helped me, but your mileage may vary. 1. Make sure you really bend down. Until your legs strengthen and you get better ankle torque, you will be almost sitting on the bag. 2. Set the bag very close to you and straight up. This is the same for pretty much every move. 3. Set the bag with the same foot you are going to use for the catch. For example, set the bag with your right foot, plant the right foot, turn your body to the right 90+ degrees, hop and catch on your right foot. 4. Make sure your shoes aren't loose. Inside kicks, inside stalls, and wraps are great for teaching your ankles the position. Good luck, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:38:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03644 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:38:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web126.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.195]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13764 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:14:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19991103231425.20238.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [12.79.29.98] by web126.yahoomail.com; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:14:25 PST Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:14:25 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Lane Subject: [freestyle] butterfly stall To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i need help, i can pull a buterfly, and a clipper. among a bunch of others, but whatever i try, i never even get close to a butterfly stall. now i know practice is like 90 percent of everything, but i dont even feel close on this. my leg doing the dexterity always lands second, and my stalling leg goes crazy.im assuming you need to get the leg doign the dexterity down first, so you can then stall into a clipper. but no matter what i do, i just succeed in either hurting myself, makign an ass of myself, or both. so any of you master hackers out there, your advice is wanted. thank you very much. SL From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:38:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03654 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:38:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f67.hotmail.com [209.185.131.130]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13781 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:14:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 67740 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 23:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103231404.67739.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.244.108.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:14:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.244.108.234] From: "Jaxon Stewart" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] toe set moves. Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:14:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org O.k I've been kicking it up for some years now and I stumbled across this web site. I got the BIBLE (freestyle moves list) and i've landed some moves. rip-walk,blur and a few more...but i have a problem! how can you perfect toe set moves such as eggbeater and scrambled ommlette? I'm just not fast enough or my timing sucks ass i figure it's my timing. any tips? ENOUGH ABOUT THE SHOES..... jaxon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:40:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03668 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:40:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14479 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:30:41 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zXRZa07459 (4403) for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a81f5009.25521f7a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:02 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] rolls no good? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I thikn I need this rolls stuff further explained I'm a bit lost. Also, if I had a Xmas Jam in Pittsburgh, how many peeps would show? a show of hands will do for that question. [Editor's note: please reply directly to Owen; don't spam my list. -Steve] Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:40:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03677 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:40:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14690 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:35:41 -0800 Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991103233500.QDIA9301.gigi.excite.com@prance.excite.com> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:35:00 -0800 Message-ID: <4274449.941672099410.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle]Pixie and Fairy Sets & Twirl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.163 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brotha's and sista's :), >>favorite moves because I couldnt say them with a straight face, >>cmon Fairy Dragonfly, fairy butterfly--LALALA >Does saying "fairy" really make you uncomfortable, Jon? Although I agree with you that it really sounded as though Jon was picking on pixie/fairy for the wrong reasons,(personally I kinda like pixie/fairy set names)..... in his defense there are some freestyle moves that have rather silly names that *are* kind of hard to say with a straight face.... most notably sticking out in my head is a move that I've taken a liking to these days: the 'ripped-warrior'. Now I realize that whoever named this[????] was was looking at it as a ripwalk with a duck in it and wanted to keep the 'rip' part, and 'duck-walk' sounds worse than 'ripped warrior' but damn..... :) btw... lame as it may be to pick on a name and not offer suggestions to replace, I generally refer to moves in their technical state(with the excpetion of older moves i.e. torque,ripwalk,blur) so 'stepping ducking butterfly' is cool with me:| 2ndly: On: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:25:34 -0500 Derric Scalf on the Subject: [freestyle] twirl wrote: >>This goes out to Scott D. Is he the only one hitting this move? >>On a twirl, does it matter which way you swirl the bag? I would say no. In certain moves incorporating 'twirl', it is easier or harder to swirl the bag in one direction over another... i.e. in stepping op. butterfly-twirl or 'ripped-twirl' my swirl happens to go front/back whereas in most other twirls the dex happens back/front for me. I think a twirl is a twirl, just as a swirl is a swirl....(wait... do I remember something about about a rev. swirl from the moves list? I don't think there should be distinction neccesarily) >>And, since you can't have a paradox swirl, I'm assuming you can't have a >>paradox twirl. So, what do you call twirl set from op side? I think that twirl has a distinctly paradox feel to it when set from the opp. side. For me paradox is **generally** defined as a move that has a change of direction in it. It looks as though your going to keep going the direction you started in.... butthenyouchangeitandgothe other direction:) So if you look at twirl set from opp. side it defineatly has this element to it. I wouldn't be a proponent that it should get a paradox[body] add, but then I'm not about to even pretend I know the first thing about why 'paradox' is and how it effects freestyle footbag. Suffice to say it feels 'kinda' paradox to me. Again, I don't know what to call it. Gee I'm really helping ya here aren't I :o >>And, since blurry requires paradox, you can't have a blurry twirl - what >>do you call a stepping op side twirl? GEEZ.... I really seem to recall someone being quite firm that blurry didn't require paradox because you can't define paradox and therefore you can't have it as a 'set' name if you can't define it..... did I miss a day when that changed? (personally I think blurry should imply paradox, as paradox is elemental in blur) O)) Don't you do some symposium stuff in there too? uh huh.... "gyro"(sorry Mr. Wulff)-symposium-twirl.... OR: clip set >> back spin[body] >> [no plant while[body]] >> opp. back/front[x-body][dex] >> opp. osis[body][x-body][delay] sorry about the notation. >>Let me know the names and Job's for each of these and I'll post them to >>the moves list. Sorry, I really need to look at that Job's tutorial again! That's all for now. Not that anybody read this far:) Allan Haggett Victoria BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:40:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03688 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:40:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f38.hotmail.com [216.32.181.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17261 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:52:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 48788 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 00:51:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104005151.48787.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.114.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:51:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.167.114.28] From: "Ryan Britt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:51:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Hey everyone, >I sent a mail that stated that I hit a move and wuz wondering if it >wuz >performed before. I couldn't find a job that described it on >footbag.org >so I >was wondering if I could name it...here's my job and description: >Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] Sorry to burst your bubble, but that move has already been invented. I believe Lynton Stephens made it up. He called it the "Neutron Smasher" (which I think is an awesome name, by the way). He named it that because it's a variation on the "Atom Smasher". - Ryan Britt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:42:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03701 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:42:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17631 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:05:16 -0800 Received: from cmc.net (pm4-153.chico.cmc.net [12.7.203.156]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA10435 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:05:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3820DC00.F524669@cmc.net> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:06:09 -0800 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings All--I just got a pair of Lavers (WHEEEEE!!!!!!!) and I have a few questions: First off, do you wear socks with them? I know this sounds stupid, but if you are supposed to cut out the inner cotton lining for increased sensitivity... Anyway, this leads me to my second question--are they washable? One last one: The insoles are glued in. I want to replace them with Spenco insoles, but I am unsure If I should just rip the existing insoles out, or if there is some trick to removing them. I don't want to damage the shoes [aside from cutting them up with a razor blade :-) ]. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Josh Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:46:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03737 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:46:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03734 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:46:57 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21776 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:02:01 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12708 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:01:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991103231425.20238.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> References: <19991103231425.20238.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:02:38 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly stall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:14 PM -0800 11/3/99, Sean Lane wrote: >i need help, Okay, so have you gone and looked at the new online freestyle tips? There're only a few, but you're in luck 'cause I added one for butterfly a few days ago. To find a tip, just go to the move list and find the move you're interested in (you can search for it on the freestyle page which you all members of this list should be bookmarking and visiting daily :-)) http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ That page and all the information on it are meant to be a companion to this e-mail list. So, as people come up with tutorials and explanations for moves, etc., they should be reflected there. Anyone who is a member of footbag.org can add tips to the move list. Though clearly you should give higher weight to tips from people you respect. :-) As for butterfly, the tip I wrote is accessible from the butterfly page: http://www.footbag.org/moves/show/904102041 If that doesn't help, sorry. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:47:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03747 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:47:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18905 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:40:27 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zJBO0607nY (3943) for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:39:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d7f113c2.25523de8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:39:52 EST Subject: Re: RE: [freestyle] can someone help To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/3/99 5:48:21 PM, AdrianD@callplus.co.nz writes: << Speaking of clipper stall, I propose we rename it to 'Flaming Minstrel'. >> I agree. Clipper is so... blah ;) Flaming Minstrel is far superior in my book Matt "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:47:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03757 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:47:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20395 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:27:03 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA659 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:27:02 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:27:01 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf266c$148a61c0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jon wrote... >Also it is my opinion that my fairy set is definitely a full dex, would my fairy >mirage get a bonus dex Eric? I don't know about the "full dex" part but, regarding the X-dex add, it depends on which side you do your mirage on. In fairy set>same mirage neither dex is an x-dex(over>over) so the move is 3 adds. In fairy set>op mirage both dexes are X so the second dex would get 2 adds... A 4 add move. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:47:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03767 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:47:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20649 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:33:45 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA444 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:33:43 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:33:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bf266d$042fde80$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeremiah Riely wrote: >I think it is unnesesary to make more names for components, especially >since all these new names mean is pixie or fairy to some side. Just >say same side to clarify. Brat.. >That's right. I agree. More from me later. As many of you know... Me Too... Can't wait for more from the Brat.. :) ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:48:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03777 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:48:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20825 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:39:04 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA780 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:39:03 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:39:03 -0800