From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 02:10:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30239 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:10:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22491 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:07:47 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00383 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:06:19 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001301bf240e$4554f140$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:10:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Owen said: >has nemesis never been hit due to the 4 dexes? I have often wondered about this move. How close has anyone come to it? If a barraging set is really a set, then it would certainly seem theoretically possible. Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 02:20:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30274 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:20:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23089 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:32:47 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zDTVa29482 (4392) for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:32:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.723e7135.254e55ad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:32:13 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 10/31/99 10:30:47 PM, reiddm@magma.ca writes: << Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? >> Windsen Pan gets my vote. ;) Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 03:16:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30338 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:16:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24128 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:27:18 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991101032711.CCAB318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:27:11 -0800 Message-ID: <381D08A8.57ECC044@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:27:36 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Reid CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis References: <001301bf240e$4554f140$ef71fea9@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Taking bets? I say Sunil Tsunami Jani. -Derric Dave Reid wrote: > > Owen said: > >has nemesis never been hit due to the 4 dexes? > > I have often wondered about this move. How close has anyone come to it? If > a barraging set is really a set, then it would certainly seem theoretically > possible. Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? > > Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 03:16:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30343 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:16:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24105 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:24:47 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00309 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:23:18 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <000501bf2419$05d216a0$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:27:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- ><< Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? >> > >Windsen Pan gets my vote. ;) I forgot to give my bet... Peter Irish, if he tries for it. :) He is the superfly man, if he can't do it, nobody can! Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 03:41:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30383 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:41:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24578 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:41:40 -0800 Received: from funazs (r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com [216.164.37.251]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA26863 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002a01bf2419$b7c9c7e0$fb25a4d8@hlb.cable.rcn.com> From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <000501bf2419$05d216a0$ef71fea9@dave> Subject: Re: [freestyle] nemesis Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:32:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > ><< Who will be the first to do it? Any bets? >> > > > >Windsen Pan gets my vote. ;) my bet is Ryan Mulroney hes amazing From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 08:22:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30827 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:22:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991101082805.YZQW9301.gigi.excite.com@prance.excite.com> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:28:05 -0800 Message-ID: <24930547.941444886251.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Lavers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.217 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I got the lavers but I will never where those things out in >public. Duz ne1 know of a better shoe to get that might look a little more >uptodate? there is no accounting for some people's taste ;), but as with the short-shorts that also make a bold fashion statement but are *absolutely required* equipment for freestyle, I've always been a proponent that one should consider function before fashion. Allan Victoria BC PS I think I look weird in any other shoe *but* a Rod Laver, *ALSO* Adidas does make the Laver 2000(or is it *Millenium*??), which looks considerable more "up to date" while still retaining footbag functionality, helluva lot lighter(though I've only ever tried them on in the store)...... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 16:13:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31033 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:13:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15878 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:00:03 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FKI00601DA5UI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:39:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:39:41 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:11:31 -0700 In-reply-to: <003901bf227c$17398d40$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> To: Eric Wulff Cc: "'freestyle'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Eric Wulff wrote: > >I've seen some of those sick bastards hitting symposium atomic stuff and > >it is MUCH harder (for me at least) than a regular atomic set. > > I'm curious... can you give some examples? I'll give an example! Last March I was practicing symposium atomic butterfly (frontside symp. legbeater), Symp. eggbeaters (atomic style), Frontside symp. Atom Smashers and Symp. Flux. I ended up pulling out my back and seeing a chiropractor 3 times a week for just over a month. The hard part is not being able to use your other leg to help switch your weight. Personally, the hip twist is rough enough as is, but then without the extra support it gets worse. But, it's still fun:-) Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 21:43:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31664 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:43:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15881 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:00:04 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FKI00701EHERN@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:05:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 01:05:38 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] a bunch of stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I finally hit back to back ducking butterflies yesterday:)(: Does anyone hit ducking same side or diving opposite side butterflies? I've never seen it, but I'm sure it's done. I almost hit the former last night as well. Ooo Ooo, I also hit my first blurriest. Couldn't play out of it though. What is a "Bock Set"? How about redefining "paradox" so as to include the problems of pdx swirls, twirls etc...? It always seems to me that one of the main reasons there is any problem with the add system is because it was developed before a lot of the newer tricks and concepts were. So by broadening the definitions I think there is a way to include those. But, I'm sure someone will vehemently disagree. May the flux be with you, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31700 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f210.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.210]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29743 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:35:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 95918 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 1999 19:35:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19991101193527.95917.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:35:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:35:27 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I was just wondering who came up with the names "Pixie" and "fairy" for pixie and fairy sets, and why. Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31705 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f212.hotmail.com [216.32.181.212]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA31277 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:25:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 68529 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 1999 20:24:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19991101202440.68528.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:24:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: move question Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:24:40 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, > my friend came up with this little move one day, i >was wondering if it was a real move in any sense... >what he does, is he stalls it between his thighs, as >he bends deeply at the knees, like a crotch stall or >something, then he kicks one leg forward, then kicks >another back, then he kicks it like a flying clipper. >so if anyone knows what this is called, or if is >anything period, please write back. Answer: Wheelchair Clipper Kick Mickey "the Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31720 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19991101193856.15502.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.195.24] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:38:56 PST Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:38:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Defilippo Subject: [freestyle] Re: dis'in lavers like dis'in self :) To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello this is mark d from bozeman. i hear lots of people saying lavers are shoes never to be worn in public. these shoes are old school. cant fathom how any body could dis the lavers .any body that is in to tennis could agree the rod laver is the best ever. (pete sampres close 2. soon to be first). any way they are the oldest tennis shoe around and i think there comfy. have some pride in wearing a shoe that no body knows about. any way gotz to go to class. in my lavers late markdshred@aol.com mark defilippo From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 1 22:33:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31730 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:33:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (mail.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31673 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:36:28 -0800 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA6A39; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:36:09 -0800 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: "Jeff Lopes" , Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ankle Strenth X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.51 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:36:09 -0800 Message-ID: <7727FFE8E19.AAA6A39@mail.csuchico.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Have you ever seen those therma bands that they have in gyms? Those work great for strengthening ankles. What you do is place the band around the bottom of the foot and pull up for added resistance (the harder you pull the higher the resistance). Then you would do a 1-3 sets of 10-12 repititions in each of the foot directions...flexion(point toe up), extention(point toe down), eversion(outside stall), and inversion(inside stall). That should increase strength and help with flexibility. Hope that helps some>> Tara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 00:02:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31927 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:02:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09822 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:58:03 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08922; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:58:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25206; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:58:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:58:00 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: move question To: Mickey Mayer cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19991101202440.68528.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Mickey Mayer wrote: > Answer: Wheelchair Clipper Kick > My friend used to call that the "cheerleader jestyr", but he would always jump up and down a couple of times with the bag between his legs before he launched into a huge flying clipper. -Phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 00:03:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31932 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:03:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10254 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:15:07 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02188; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Brad Kaplan cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] a bunch of stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > What is a "Bock Set"? A bock set is a step to a spin. I've always known it has stepping inspinning but there has been talk of redefining inspin. Set from right clipper, do an in-out dex with the left leg and then spin counterclockwise. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 02:03:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32018 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:03:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13728 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:13:46 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA2959 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:13:41 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:00 -0800 Message-ID: <003b01bf24d7$edf3a700$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mickey Mayer... >Triage is a triple pixie. Sorry, but a triage is a triple mirage... hence the "age". I don't quite see how a triple pixie is possible.... pixie>same barrage.. yes. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 02:27:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32045 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:27:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14188 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:26:12 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id nGBR6wx6T_ (4006); Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:25:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.38dcfac7.254fa59f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:25:35 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/1/1999 6:19:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, ewulff@jsishipping.com writes: << pixie>same barrage >> are you saying that pixie set can only be a single dex? if so how do you explain genz's enterage(sp?) that looks like the double dex is part of the set and thus being double pixie. My name is Josh Childs and i'm "special" From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 02:58:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32082 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:58:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15641 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:05:03 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA2931; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:42:18 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Cc: Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <003d01bf24db$ed4f53e0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org JC... >are you saying that pixie set can only be a single dex? if so how do you >explain genz's enterage(sp?) that looks like the double dex is part of the >set and thus being double pixie. >My name is Josh Childs and i'm "special" What I'm saying is that a triage is a triple mirage. Regarding the pixie stuff, if someone can set pixie style(bag is on the way up following all dexes) with 3 dexes than perhaps it is a triple pixie. Also, if Genzu completes his pixie to another same in dex and the bag is still clearly on the way up than I guess it would be a double pixie set. Basically I understand the pixie as a set not a move. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 03:11:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32109 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:11:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f121.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16178 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:17:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 11416 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 03:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102031631.11415.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.22.170.197 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:16:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.22.170.197] From: "Zeke ibardaloza" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shaka Zulu...or something rather Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:16:31 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Brad Kaplan >Does anyone hit ducking same side or diving opposite side >butterflies? W'sup, Isnt the second one Zulu Lelu? I saw Eric Wulff do that on an old MTV "hardcore" segment for Mtv Sports. Any one else happen to catch that a few years ago? Anyway, that's diving infinity, sick. I think that Wingert kid hits that too now :P, S'up Swingah! Later, ZEKE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 05:46:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32448 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:46:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20628 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:32:49 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00342 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:31:27 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001401bf24f4$06c8b420$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] triage Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:35:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >What I'm saying is that a triage is a triple mirage. As in mirage, barrage, triage? That makes sense. Now where can I see someone do a triage? Is it on any of the videos? Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 05:46:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32453 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:46:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f57.hotmail.com [209.185.131.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21003 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:52:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 45560 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 05:52:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102055219.45559.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.58.225 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:52:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.58.225] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:52:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey kickers, whats up. Now you did it Ken,I finally have a reason to write in and complain about the names pixie and fairy. Now dont get me wrong- these are my favorite sets- especially fairy, but these names are f..ed up. I dont know how many times I have had to make fun of the names of my favorite moves because I couldnt say them with a straight face, cmon Fairy Dragonfly, fairy butterfly--LALALA I was kicking with Scott D. the other week and he told me pixie/fairy was simultaneously invented in the midwest and on the west coast, with the west coast names being pixie/fairy, and the midwest Thunder/Lightning This sounds a ton better to me, I dont know how anybody could think otherwise. So Derrick how bout a vote with one qualifier- In order to vote on the names of either of these moves I suggest that they must be a part of your "style", that way everybody wont vote to call it fairy even though they dont do any Lightning moves. Thanks, Jon Nagela >From: "KeN Somolinos" >To: Freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:35:27 EST > >Hey all, >I was just wondering who came up with the names "Pixie" and "fairy" for >pixie and fairy sets, and why. >Ken CF Somolinos > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 05:55:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32480 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:55:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21248 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:04:49 -0800 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10407 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:19:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911020519.AAA10407@admin.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:18:35 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] name for this? From: "Neil Bearse" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey... the other day i was kicking, and pretty much by mistake, i hit a delay with both insides at the same time. if you can picture it, landing on the outside edges of both feet (with your feet touching), knees bent and pointing outwards kinda, and the footbag rests on the surface created by the insides of the feet touching... kinda weird and awkward.... anyone have a name for this? Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 06:10:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32507 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:10:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21725 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:17:29 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:16:40 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782342712D@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'jon nagela'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:16:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree with Jon... I'd rather hit Thundering dragonfly than fairy dragonfly... PS. lets see someone go for consecutive butterfly delays... I wanna know how many u can do :) hehehe -----Original Message----- From: jon nagela [mailto:a455beater@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 1999 18:52 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets I was kicking with Scott D. the other week and he told me pixie/fairy was simultaneously invented in the midwest and on the west coast, with the west coast names being pixie/fairy, and the midwest Thunder/Lightning From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:44:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00650 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hangar18.dhome.com (qmailr@[209.75.67.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA09222 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:59:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 25328 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1999 13:53:03 -0000 Received: from ip-108-118.columbia.total-web.net (HELO pcgaming.com) (216.207.108.118) by softdnserror with SMTP; 2 Nov 1999 13:53:03 -0000 Message-ID: <381EDF59.EA049923@pcgaming.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:55:53 -0500 From: Joe Elliott - SilentDragon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] a few questions.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i am quite confused by the terminology like TOE > SAME IN/OUT [DEX] > SAME TOE [DEL] that is "Around the World" and i dont understand a bit of that sentence :P i have also heard of moves called a "rainbow" and a "donkey kick" are these even real terms for moves? :P thanks, Joe Elliott From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:44:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00656 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA02914 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:34:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 64874 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 10:33:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102103332.64873.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.145 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:33:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.145] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dragon Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:33:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Gang, I was kicking around a little yesterday waiting for someone and hit my first dragon stall, solidly and I don't even ever do outside stalls. The birds were shining, the sun was singing the sky was a bright green and the grass a happy blue and some where inspirational music was playing. Anyway the only way I can get my foot turned around that far is by cranking my hip into a really unnatural position, but when I look at tapes of people doing dragon it looks more clipperlike. Flexablility aside it seems like the joint cann't phisically turn that far, can anyone explain to me how this feat of contorsion is achieved? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:44:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00661 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08815 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:31:55 -0800 Received: from smegma (user-2ivf725.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.156.69]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05950 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:31:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991102083200.00823d20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:32:00 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets In-Reply-To: <19991102055219.45559.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >favorite moves because I couldnt say them with a straight face, cmon Fairy >Dragonfly, fairy butterfly--LALALA Does saying "fairy" really make you uncomfortable, Jon? >midwest Thunder/Lightning This sounds a ton better to me, I dont know how >anybody could think otherwise. Probably because the words pixie and fairy imply small things, like the half-dexterities of those sets, whereas thunder and lightning would be more suited to grander machinations. >qualifier- In order to vote on the names of either of these moves I suggest >that they must be a part of your "style", that way everybody wont vote to >call it fairy even though they dont do any Lightning moves. So are you going to rename all moves that aren't manly enough? Such as Cloud, Butterfly, and Bedwetter? Or is it just move names that go against your life "style"? Sorry to pick at you Jon, but someone had to. ;^) -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Geek Code v3.1: GCS d- s+:-- a- C++ W++ N++ w+ M- V-- t+ e++ h+ Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 17:56:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00715 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:56:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17550 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:08:24 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28306; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:06:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <381EDF59.EA049923@pcgaming.com> References: <381EDF59.EA049923@pcgaming.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:07:29 -0800 To: Joe Elliott - SilentDragon From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] a few questions.. Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:55 AM -0500 11/2/99, Joe Elliott - SilentDragon wrote: >i am quite confused by the terminology >like >TOE > SAME IN/OUT [DEX] > SAME TOE [DEL] >that is "Around the World" >and i dont understand a bit of that sentence :P >i have also heard of moves called a "rainbow" and a "donkey kick" >are these even real terms for moves? :P Please read http://www.footbag.org/faq/ and http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ before posting questions to the list. You'll find answers to many of your questions there (with more to come soon). The notation above is called "Jobs' Notation" after a guy named Ben Job who proposed it. You can read the 5-minute tutorial I wrote at http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ under the "Resources" section on the right. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 19:08:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00799 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:08:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19388 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:52:58 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991102184754.DEIK318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:47:54 -0800 Message-ID: <381F31F0.B97BA8AF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:48:16 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Dick CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets References: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782342712D@INETSRV> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote: > > I agree with Jon... I'd rather hit Thundering dragonfly than fairy > dragonfly... You know, right now, pixie and fairy do not imply same or opposite side. So, you can hit two pixie whirls or two fairy whirls. Two pixie osises, two pixie rev mirages, etc. So, what would people think about using the proposed thundering and lightninging (how the hell would you say that?) as modifiers to mean pixie same side and fairy same side respectively? So, if you say pixie whirl, it implies pixie opposite side whirl. But, if you say thundering whirl, it would mean pixie same side whirl (note: you need a plant after the first dex). Lightning whirl, lightning mirage, ligtning osis... does that sound goofy to anyone else? Anyway, by this suggestion, lightning would mean fairy same side. I like this because it eliminates any confusion about same or opposite side on pixie/fairy moves. Some people will rag on me for thinking that pixie same and pixie opposite need different names. To those people: Earlier (a few weeks ago) I posted a message asking what was assumed. I gave a list of moves (pixie whirl, fairy whirl, stepping whirl, atomic whirl, etc.) You would be surprised at the different answers. On stepping, *everyone* said that same side was implied. On atomic, *almost* all said that opposite side was implied. But, with pixie and fairy, it was split right down the middle. By that little experiment, if someone posts saying that they hit a pixie whirl, half of the list will assume they hit a different move from what was really hit. If we want clear communication of moves and move ideas over a written list, we need names that can't have multiple meanings. Let's take the assumption out of move names. You know what they say about ass-u-me ing, right? Thoughts? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 19:08:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00809 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:08:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20211 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:13:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 76973 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 19:13:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102191316.76972.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.165.113 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:13:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.165.113] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:13:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org << Jon Nagela wrote: hey kickers, whats up. Now you did it Ken,I finally have a reason to write in and complain about the names pixie and fairy. Now dont get me wrong-these are my favorite sets- especially fairy, but these names are f..ed up... >> You are absolutely right, this has gone far enough! No longer should we be burdened by these horrible names. This is a tough, athletic sport and we need move names that reflect this. From this day forward, I decree that "pixie" and "fairy" will be changed to "pansy-ass" and "wussy-boy." We can all sleep well tonight. DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:14:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00949 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:14:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f113.hotmail.com [216.32.181.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21922 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:08:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 97495 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 20:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102200731.97494.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:07:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] name for this? Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:07:31 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everbody, Neil wrote: > Hey... the other day i was kicking, and pretty much by mistake, >i hit >a delay with both insides at the same time. if you can picture >it, landing >on the outside edges of both feet (with your feet >touching), knees bent >and pointing outwards kinda, and the footbag >rests on the surface created >by the insides of the feet touching... >kinda weird and awkward.... Ouch, very awkward. One of my friends used to do this move all the time to get a couple of laughs in the circle and we used to call it the "Ankle-breaker." Peace, Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:14:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00954 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:14:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f193.hotmail.com [216.32.181.193]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22155 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:11:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 19492 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 20:11:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102201125.19491.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:11:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Consecutive butterflies Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:11:22 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Adrian Dick wrote: >lets see someone go for consecutive butterfly delays... I wanna know >how many u can do :) I believe that www.dallasfootbag.org holds a lot of records for freestyle moves. Check 'em out. Cool videos from Worlds '99 too. Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:17:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00979 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:17:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25586 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:28:03 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zNWSGyLl2_ (3934) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:27:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b4531940.2550b138@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:27:20 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/2/99 3:29:29 PM, grandincredible@hotmail.com writes: << From this day forward, I decree that "pixie" and "fairy" will be changed to "pansy-ass" and "wussy-boy." >> I agree with DanK's sarcasm. I thought that the footbag community was one of more maturity and intelligence than a community that would let their sexuality be disputed by move names beginning with pixie and fairy. Gimme a break, it's just a move name. If skateboarders can deal with announcers calling what they're doing a "gay twist" on the X-Games, then one can only assume that the footbag community can deal with pixie and fairy. Matthew "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:18:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00989 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:18:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f128.hotmail.com [209.185.131.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25711 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:30:26 -0800 Received: (qmail 87258 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 21:29:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102212956.87257.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.62.252 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:29:55 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.62.252] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:29:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org whats up Derrick, hows it going. My opinion is that pixie opp is really well established as pixie Ie... pixie butterfly, pixie clipper etc. so yes that should stay pixie, and what is now pixie same side IE... terrage with a plant, magellan,...? could become thunder. With fairy I think that it isnt well established at all which side it goes to, also I think that fairy same side is kind of weak, for example-fairy opp.clip vs. same clip, fairy same mirage vs. opp mirage, fairy same osis vs. opp osis etc. So for fairy I propose lightning imply opp.side and fairy be for same side. Also it is my opinion that my fairy set is definitely a full dex, would my fairy mirage get a bonus dex Eric? Does anyone hit fairy torque? Eli- have you ever hit nuclear torque? Talk to you later, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:52:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01056 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:52:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26950 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:05:40 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19770; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:05:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:05:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Derric Scalf cc: Adrian Dick , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets In-Reply-To: <381F31F0.B97BA8AF@dallasfootbag.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > You know, right now, pixie and fairy do not imply same or opposite > side. So, you can hit two pixie whirls or two fairy whirls. Two pixie > osises, two pixie rev mirages, etc. I don't see this as being a big problem. > So, what would people think about using the proposed thundering and > lightninging (how the hell would you say that?) as modifiers to mean > pixie same side and fairy same side respectively? > > So, if you say pixie whirl, it implies pixie opposite side whirl. But, > if you say thundering whirl, it would mean pixie same side whirl (note: > you need a plant after the first dex). I don't like this at all. It just makes everything more confusing. More names to remember for the same stuff. A pixie set is a pixie set. There shouldn't be another name for pixie set to same side. It is still and always will be a pixie set. It is just followed by something different. I do, however, think that pixie set should imply opposite side unless otherwise stated. So to clarify which move you are talking about, say just pixie for pixie to opposite side stuff and pixie same side for pixie same side stuff. There is no need for another name. > I like this because it eliminates any confusion about same or opposite > side on pixie/fairy moves. I think it is unnesesary to make more names for components, especially since all these new names mean is pixie or fairy to some side. Just say same side to clarify. > Some people will rag on me for thinking that pixie same and pixie > opposite need different names. To those people: Earlier (a few weeks > ago) I posted a message asking what was assumed. I gave a list of moves > (pixie whirl, fairy whirl, stepping whirl, atomic whirl, etc.) You > would be surprised at the different answers. On stepping, *everyone* > said that same side was implied. On atomic, *almost* all said that > opposite side was implied. But, with pixie and fairy, it was split > right down the middle. Ok. I agree that something should be done for the sake of clarity. I just think that new names for components is not the answer. Pixie and fairy should indicate one side or the other unless otherwise started. The side it indicates is arbitrary. > By that little experiment, if someone posts saying that they hit a pixie > whirl, half of the list will assume they hit a different move from what > was really hit. If we want clear communication of moves and move ideas > over a written list, we need names that can't have multiple meanings. > Let's take the assumption out of move names. You know what they say > about ass-u-me ing, right? Names don't have multiple meanings. The descriptions of components in a move is not a name (previsouly stated by ew multiple times), it is just what we use to identify the move because it doesn't have a name. I think the solution to making everything unambigous does not lie in making up new names for components, but instead just giving more information in the descriptions of components for moves that don't have names. This can be done in any case, but the methods need to be standardized in my opinion. One thing that is really bad is spins, you can't tell what side is doing what at all in many cases, but it could be fixed if we imposed standards on how to describe a move by namimg its components. later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 2 21:55:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01066 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:55:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01063 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:55:02 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27095 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:10:10 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19070 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:09:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911030550.VAA01046@list.footbag.org> References: <199911030550.VAA01046@list.footbag.org> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:10:46 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeremiah Riely wrote: >I don't see this as being a big problem. > >....snip.... > >I don't like this at all. It just makes everything more confusing. > >....snip.... > >I think it is unnesesary to make more names for components, especially >since all these new names mean is pixie or fairy to some side. Just >say same side to clarify. That's right. I agree. More from me later. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:58:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01648 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:58:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28105 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:37:49 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991102223748.GWHT318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:37:48 -0800 Message-ID: <381F67D4.A57838AC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:38:12 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremiah J. Riely" CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Jeremiah J. Riely" wrote: > > > > So, if you say pixie whirl, it implies pixie opposite side whirl. But, > > if you say thundering whirl, it would mean pixie same side whirl (note: > > you need a plant after the first dex). > > I don't like this at all. It just makes everything more confusing. More > names to remember for the same stuff. A pixie set is a pixie set. There > shouldn't be another name for pixie set to same side. It is still and > always will be a pixie set. It is just followed by something different. I > do, however, think that pixie set should imply opposite side unless > otherwise stated. So to clarify which move you are talking about, say just > pixie for pixie to opposite side stuff and pixie same side for pixie same > side stuff. There is no need for another name. Works for me. Now you just have to convince the half of the list that thinks pixie implies same side. I couldn't care less if pixie implies same or opposite side... as long as everyone is on the same page. So, from this day forward, pixie implies opposite side. If you do a pixie whirl, it is pixie opposite side whirl. Now, does fairy imply same side (like stepping does), or does it imply opposite side (like pixie)? If everyone can agree what is implied by the set name, then there wouldn't be any need for two names per set. Would you like to get rid of tapping (instead, you would say atomic same side) and slapping (you would say quantum same side)? As long as there is a unique name for each unique move, I'll be happy. Until that day, I'll bitch and moan... -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01658 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Dave Cecconi Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27421 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:16:39 -0800 Received: from DukeBluDevils@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zWFNa15805 (3860) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.6c56f6c8.2550bca2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:02 EST Subject: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I sent a mail that stated that I hit a move and wuz wondering if it wuz performed before. I couldn't find a job that described it on footbag.org so I was wondering if I could name it...here's my job and description: Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] Eg: Hit a Left Toe Stall. Set and dex from out to in with your right leg. Now spin to your left (CounterClockwise), while planting your right foot 3/4 of the way through the spin. Dex from in to out with your left foot. Now catch on a right foot toe stall. It's a hard move to describe bcuz of the spin. It looks really neat if you hit it. I know it can be done cuz I have been practicing it for awhile. I've had the bag hit my toe a few times on the end stall but i can't catch it bcuz of my balance after the spin>dex. Anyhooo, i've been callin the move the "Carrousel", cuz that's what it sorta reminded me of. Well if it sounds too corny or wussy for you people who hate pixie and fairy, let me know if you want me to change it to sumthin more brutal and barbaric. And another thing...we should definitly keep pixie and fairy...but we may wanna add a little sumthin to pixie whirls and fairy whirls bcuz it's not understood clearly. We should still keep pixie and fairy in the name, but mayB just add sumthin so we all get on the same page here. Well that's just my thoughts. Pleez sum1, say sumthin regardin that move i wuz talkin about. Well thanx alot- -Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01668 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27542 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:20:14 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00406 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:18:47 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001e01bf2580$b8818200$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:22:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >So, what would people think about using the proposed thundering and >lightninging (how the hell would you say that?) as modifiers to mean >pixie same side and fairy same side respectively? Well, for what it's worth, I don't like it. >I like this because it eliminates any confusion about same or opposite >side on pixie/fairy moves. I like the idea of eliminating confusion, and I think you guys are going in the direction of increasing confusion without even realizing it. In order to shorten the names of moves, you are adding new words into the mix and throwing out words that already have meaning. If you really want to clarify which side the next move is done on, you should: a) add a suffix to the set name b) add a prefix to the following move or c) add "opp" and "same" in between the set and move How does "thundering" help simplify "pixie same"? It might be fine alone, but how am I going to remember the difference between "thundering" and "lightning" (if I even remember that they are related) when there are 50 words to describe how a move starts? I would also really prefer if the move names had SOME relation to what the moves are. The recent suggestions (and some older ones) have been all over the map. The number of possible moves has increased dramatically, and to throw meaningless names at every variation of every move is a big mistake in my opinion. Someone will need to start selling a footbag dictionary! Examples of good names off the top of my head: ATW Whirl Swirl Twirl Legbeater Torque Stepping,Tapping Infinity All of these give a sense of what they are, and are easy to remember right from the first time you see them. Well, I've blabbed enough. Hopefully I'm not alone in my view. Later, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01678 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28256 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:42:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 68041 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 22:41:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102224149.68040.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.200.57 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:41:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.57] From: "andrew cohen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] lavers modify Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:41:49 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yeah when i modify my lavers o i cut the toe strip that hold the sides down on both sides??? thank andrew cohen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01688 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28913 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:03:25 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.78.69.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.78.69]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29648 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:03:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004901bf2586$59dd8b80$454ef5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: References: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782342712D@INETSRV> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:02:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Adrian Dick > PS. lets see someone go for consecutive butterfly delays... I wanna know > how many u can do :) > > hehehe I did 6 once.. on one side though. Not infinity. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 02:59:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01698 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:59:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29204 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:11:05 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.78.69.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.78.69]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05110 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:10:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007d01bf2587$6a8b7400$454ef5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] Double dex Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:10:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can someone give me some advice on getting double dexes? I can hit left and right pixies, left and right mirages, left and right leg overs, left and right ATW's, both dragonflies, and both butterflies. But for some reason I haven't been able to manage any double dexes yet. Paradoxing moves isn't that hard but.. Well anyway. Hi everyone! Hi Austin. Eric Wulff is COOL. Thanks, Sam Colclough http://www.penny-lane.com/sam http://mp3.com/hs From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:01:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01712 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:01:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29775 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:28:11 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr107.clearsail.net [207.252.227.107]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08452 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:12:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005301bf258a$ac8e8880$6be3fccf@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:33:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org jon wrote: > I was kicking with Scott D. the other > week and he told me pixie/fairy was simultaneously invented in the midwest > and on the west coast, with the west coast names being pixie/fairy, and the > midwest Thunder/Lightning I do a lot of pixie and fairy set moves, and I think those names sound a lot better than thunder and lightning. I think we should stick with the current names. Derric wrote: > You know, right now, pixie and fairy do not imply same or opposite > side. So, you can hit two pixie whirls or two fairy whirls. Two pixie > osises, two pixie rev mirages, etc. > If we want clear communication of moves and move ideas > over a written list, we need names that can't have multiple meanings. I agree with Derric in that we need specific names to distinguish same side and opposite side moves. Not necessarilly lightning or thunder. James "ska boy" Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:04:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01723 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:04:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f219.hotmail.com [209.185.130.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00626 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:13:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 16204 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 01:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103011320.16203.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.75.31.242 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:13:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.75.31.242] From: "Josh Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:13:20 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. And Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. Thanks, Josh Wilson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:52:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01857 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:52:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05386 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:50:06 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991103035001.MDBQ318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: <381FB103.6A318FBE@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:50:27 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Wilson CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] can someone help References: <19991103011320.16203.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Clippers? http://www.dallasfootbag.org/tutorials/the_clipper_delay.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 03:53:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01868 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:53:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f121.hotmail.com [216.32.181.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05488 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:55:27 -0800 Received: (qmail 4327 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 03:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103035457.4326.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.79 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:54:56 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.79] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:54:56 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org visit http://www.dallasfootbag.org/tutorials/the_clipper_delay.html for help with the clipper. if you can't get it and you think you're not even positioning your foot correctly, don't worry.. try to keep it level and PRACTICE. 3 weeks ago i was feeling the same way you were, and about 2 days ago my foot suddenly went down in the correct motion. another 3 weeks and i'll probably won't have major problems with it.. another year and it'll be natural =) also, just practice standing in the clipper position with the bag on your foot, move your foot up and down and try not to let the bag fall. same with dexes.. practice, practice, practice. you'll notice that you're gaining speed and accuracy with every week (that's if you practice regularly). i'm pretty much a newbie to the sport as well (it's been about 5 or 6 weeks) but i can tell you that most of the skillz come from practice. not from any secrets written down in some little black book that all these shredders carry in their lavers. which reminds me, having a comfy shoe with a nice instep (like lavers) helps A LOT in doing inside stalls and the clipper. good luck! -Stan. >Hello, > >I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper >stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. >And >Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. > >Thanks, > >Josh Wilson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 05:16:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02103 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:16:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f137.hotmail.com [209.185.131.200]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07619 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:29:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 44373 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 05:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103052924.44372.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.58.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:29:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.58.54] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:29:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey James, whats up! Ok I give up, it looks like pixie and fairy are going to stay the same-- that is until I start coming up with some unique moves that I can name myself. Its good to hear that you are doing fairy sets as hardly anybody was doing them at worlds this year. Come to think of it i have never even seen one on video yet. I was wondering what kind of fairy moves you do? Later Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 05:22:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02125 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:22:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07711 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:32:05 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.71.85.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.71.85]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15530 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:32:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005401bf25bc$a4d89540$5547f5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Freestyle Mailing List" Subject: [freestyle] reverse hopover and reverse eclipse Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:31:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there a name for a backwards hopover and a backwards eclipse? I can do both. If there is not a name a nominate the backwards eclipse to be called a lunar eclipse! Sam Colclough http://www.penny-lane.com/sam http://mp3.com/hs From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 05:22:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02130 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:22:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04869 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:26:32 -0800 Received: from funazs (r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com [216.164.37.251]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA02592 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:26:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004701bf25ab$65187440$fb25a4d8@hlb.cable.rcn.com> From: "MIke Furnari" To: Subject: [freestyle] rod laver 2000 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:27:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id FAB02130 Hello, has anyone ever seen or tried these shoes for hacking. I am intrested in getting a pir, but if they dont compare to the origionals then i will surely get the origionals, a picture would be nice thanks alot --Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 16:51:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02830 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:51:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f281.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.59]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA25991 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:51:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 94294 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 12:50:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103125033.94293.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.72 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 04:50:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.72] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 04:50:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Cecconi wrote: Hey everyone, >I sent a mail that stated that I hit a move and wuz wondering if it >wuz >performed before. I couldn't find a job that described it on >footbag.org so I was wondering if I could name it...here's my job and > >description: Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] If I understand you, then I asked about this move myself a while back and I beileve Eric Burges(sp? sorry) named it tornado, and long before that I think "the disco ninja" named it "leaning gyro" but that might have been in referance to a blurry inspinning miraje, or "bocking miraje", as you like. Clear as mud? As to the move list on footbag worldwide, by my calculation it contains about 15% of all moves that have been hit, which is just enough to get most of the common moves, and an inpressive feat in and of itself. Hopefully Derric "the enlisted" Scalf can add some more. -Andrew P.S. I was playing and I hit wussy-boy butterfly to bedwetter to a flaming toad, cool huh, now if I could just get down big apple sause to pork chop. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 17:45:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03015 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:45:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02076 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:35:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 74237 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 17:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103173518.74236.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:35:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:35:18 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, Dave Cecconi inquired about this move: >Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] To which Andrew responded: >If I understand you, then I asked about this move myself a while back and I >beileve Eric Burges(sp? sorry) named it tornado, and long before that I >think "the disco ninja" named it "leaning gyro" but that might have been in >referance to a blurry inspinning miraje, or "bocking miraje", as you like. To my understanding, the move described is an atom smasher with a spin in the middle, I think Lynton Stephens calls this a Neutron Smasher. I never heard of leaning gyro, but Tuan has hit Leaning Jowler, which is a boxk set mirage. Stepping in spinning mirage. May I request that if somebody is not hitting a move, that they not try and name it, or at least not without the approval of whoever first hit it? Peace everybody, Ken "C-Fan" Somolinos Bear Feet/NYFA From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 19:12:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03147 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:12:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05324 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:20:52 -0800 Received: from [24.5.70.19] by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:20:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:18:22 -0700 Subject: [freestyle] rolls no good? From: "Josh Cope" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've noticed that they're are no adds and seemingly no interest in rolls (None of the videos I've watched @ footbag.org has done any). A nicely controlled full-body roll can be quite difficult and pretty styley. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 19:28:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03172 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:28:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05901; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:38:00 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20133; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:37:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> References: <19991103192051.WYOR318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:38:30 -0800 To: "Josh Cope" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] rolls no good? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:18 PM -0700 11/3/99, Josh Cope wrote: >I've noticed that they're are no adds and seemingly no interest in rolls >(None of the videos I've watched @ footbag.org has done any). A >nicely controlled full-body roll can be quite difficult and pretty styley. Yeah, unfortunately the rule book isn't particularly clear on this, but in the last N years of running or helping with freestyle competitions, I have always been saying: (1) a body roll is a "body" add; different parts of the body constitute different trick (i.e., a roll across the chest is a different move than a roll down the arm, etc.). (2) a body roll doesn't get any other adds (unless done with the legs :-)), so it's always 1 body add Make sense? Steve P.S. Pretty much the same rules apply to body stalls, such as eye-socket stalls, neck stalls, forehead stalls, and the like. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 19:31:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03186 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:31:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03183 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:31:22 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06256 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:46:26 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25227 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:45:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:46:23 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] rolls no good? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I wrote: >P.S. Pretty much the same rules apply to body stalls, such as >eye-socket stalls, neck stalls, forehead stalls, and the like. But I left out one critical bit -- I meant to say "except that it's an unusual-surface add, not a body add". Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 21:27:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03298 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:27:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07658 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:22:16 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:21:27 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823427146@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Trixx Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:21:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is the difference between Shooting Butterfly and Blurry Legbeater? Why does the second trick get a paradox add? It seems to me that the only difference is an extra step, which should not in itself be the defining paradox element. Any ideas? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 21:28:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03308 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:28:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07349 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:14:10 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:13:20 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823427144@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:13:18 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Hello, > >I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper >stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. And >Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. Speaking of clipper stall, I propose we rename it to 'Flaming Minstrel'. It sounds much better :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 3 22:51:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03378 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:51:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13111 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:58:02 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00328 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:56:28 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001a01bf264f$1eebb960$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] can someone help Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:59:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >I'm kinda new and i need some help..can anyone give me tips on the clipper >stall..either my foot isnt straight or a lose balance. Can anyone help. And >Im haveing a problem with dexes is there any secret to doing them faster. Check out the www.dallasfootbag.org page for tips. I'm pretty sure that Derric posted clipper tips there. As someone who recently picked up clippers myself, I have a few very specific tips. These are things that helped me, but your mileage may vary. 1. Make sure you really bend down. Until your legs strengthen and you get better ankle torque, you will be almost sitting on the bag. 2. Set the bag very close to you and straight up. This is the same for pretty much every move. 3. Set the bag with the same foot you are going to use for the catch. For example, set the bag with your right foot, plant the right foot, turn your body to the right 90+ degrees, hop and catch on your right foot. 4. Make sure your shoes aren't loose. Inside kicks, inside stalls, and wraps are great for teaching your ankles the position. Good luck, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:38:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03644 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:38:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web126.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.195]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13764 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:14:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19991103231425.20238.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [12.79.29.98] by web126.yahoomail.com; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:14:25 PST Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:14:25 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Lane Subject: [freestyle] butterfly stall To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i need help, i can pull a buterfly, and a clipper. among a bunch of others, but whatever i try, i never even get close to a butterfly stall. now i know practice is like 90 percent of everything, but i dont even feel close on this. my leg doing the dexterity always lands second, and my stalling leg goes crazy.im assuming you need to get the leg doign the dexterity down first, so you can then stall into a clipper. but no matter what i do, i just succeed in either hurting myself, makign an ass of myself, or both. so any of you master hackers out there, your advice is wanted. thank you very much. SL From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:38:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03654 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:38:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f67.hotmail.com [209.185.131.130]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13781 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:14:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 67740 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 23:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103231404.67739.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.244.108.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:14:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.244.108.234] From: "Jaxon Stewart" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] toe set moves. Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:14:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org O.k I've been kicking it up for some years now and I stumbled across this web site. I got the BIBLE (freestyle moves list) and i've landed some moves. rip-walk,blur and a few more...but i have a problem! how can you perfect toe set moves such as eggbeater and scrambled ommlette? I'm just not fast enough or my timing sucks ass i figure it's my timing. any tips? ENOUGH ABOUT THE SHOES..... jaxon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:40:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03668 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:40:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14479 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:30:41 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zXRZa07459 (4403) for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a81f5009.25521f7a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:02 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] rolls no good? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I thikn I need this rolls stuff further explained I'm a bit lost. Also, if I had a Xmas Jam in Pittsburgh, how many peeps would show? a show of hands will do for that question. [Editor's note: please reply directly to Owen; don't spam my list. -Steve] Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:40:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03677 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:40:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14690 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:35:41 -0800 Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991103233500.QDIA9301.gigi.excite.com@prance.excite.com> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:35:00 -0800 Message-ID: <4274449.941672099410.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle]Pixie and Fairy Sets & Twirl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.163 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brotha's and sista's :), >>favorite moves because I couldnt say them with a straight face, >>cmon Fairy Dragonfly, fairy butterfly--LALALA >Does saying "fairy" really make you uncomfortable, Jon? Although I agree with you that it really sounded as though Jon was picking on pixie/fairy for the wrong reasons,(personally I kinda like pixie/fairy set names)..... in his defense there are some freestyle moves that have rather silly names that *are* kind of hard to say with a straight face.... most notably sticking out in my head is a move that I've taken a liking to these days: the 'ripped-warrior'. Now I realize that whoever named this[????] was was looking at it as a ripwalk with a duck in it and wanted to keep the 'rip' part, and 'duck-walk' sounds worse than 'ripped warrior' but damn..... :) btw... lame as it may be to pick on a name and not offer suggestions to replace, I generally refer to moves in their technical state(with the excpetion of older moves i.e. torque,ripwalk,blur) so 'stepping ducking butterfly' is cool with me:| 2ndly: On: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:25:34 -0500 Derric Scalf on the Subject: [freestyle] twirl wrote: >>This goes out to Scott D. Is he the only one hitting this move? >>On a twirl, does it matter which way you swirl the bag? I would say no. In certain moves incorporating 'twirl', it is easier or harder to swirl the bag in one direction over another... i.e. in stepping op. butterfly-twirl or 'ripped-twirl' my swirl happens to go front/back whereas in most other twirls the dex happens back/front for me. I think a twirl is a twirl, just as a swirl is a swirl....(wait... do I remember something about about a rev. swirl from the moves list? I don't think there should be distinction neccesarily) >>And, since you can't have a paradox swirl, I'm assuming you can't have a >>paradox twirl. So, what do you call twirl set from op side? I think that twirl has a distinctly paradox feel to it when set from the opp. side. For me paradox is **generally** defined as a move that has a change of direction in it. It looks as though your going to keep going the direction you started in.... butthenyouchangeitandgothe other direction:) So if you look at twirl set from opp. side it defineatly has this element to it. I wouldn't be a proponent that it should get a paradox[body] add, but then I'm not about to even pretend I know the first thing about why 'paradox' is and how it effects freestyle footbag. Suffice to say it feels 'kinda' paradox to me. Again, I don't know what to call it. Gee I'm really helping ya here aren't I :o >>And, since blurry requires paradox, you can't have a blurry twirl - what >>do you call a stepping op side twirl? GEEZ.... I really seem to recall someone being quite firm that blurry didn't require paradox because you can't define paradox and therefore you can't have it as a 'set' name if you can't define it..... did I miss a day when that changed? (personally I think blurry should imply paradox, as paradox is elemental in blur) O)) Don't you do some symposium stuff in there too? uh huh.... "gyro"(sorry Mr. Wulff)-symposium-twirl.... OR: clip set >> back spin[body] >> [no plant while[body]] >> opp. back/front[x-body][dex] >> opp. osis[body][x-body][delay] sorry about the notation. >>Let me know the names and Job's for each of these and I'll post them to >>the moves list. Sorry, I really need to look at that Job's tutorial again! That's all for now. Not that anybody read this far:) Allan Haggett Victoria BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:40:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03688 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:40:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f38.hotmail.com [216.32.181.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17261 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:52:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 48788 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 00:51:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104005151.48787.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.114.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:51:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.167.114.28] From: "Ryan Britt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:51:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Hey everyone, >I sent a mail that stated that I hit a move and wuz wondering if it >wuz >performed before. I couldn't find a job that described it on >footbag.org >so I >was wondering if I could name it...here's my job and description: >Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] Sorry to burst your bubble, but that move has already been invented. I believe Lynton Stephens made it up. He called it the "Neutron Smasher" (which I think is an awesome name, by the way). He named it that because it's a variation on the "Atom Smasher". - Ryan Britt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:42:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03701 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:42:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17631 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:05:16 -0800 Received: from cmc.net (pm4-153.chico.cmc.net [12.7.203.156]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA10435 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:05:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3820DC00.F524669@cmc.net> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:06:09 -0800 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings All--I just got a pair of Lavers (WHEEEEE!!!!!!!) and I have a few questions: First off, do you wear socks with them? I know this sounds stupid, but if you are supposed to cut out the inner cotton lining for increased sensitivity... Anyway, this leads me to my second question--are they washable? One last one: The insoles are glued in. I want to replace them with Spenco insoles, but I am unsure If I should just rip the existing insoles out, or if there is some trick to removing them. I don't want to damage the shoes [aside from cutting them up with a razor blade :-) ]. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Josh Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:46:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03737 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:46:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03734 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:46:57 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21776 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:02:01 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12708 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:01:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991103231425.20238.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> References: <19991103231425.20238.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:02:38 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly stall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:14 PM -0800 11/3/99, Sean Lane wrote: >i need help, Okay, so have you gone and looked at the new online freestyle tips? There're only a few, but you're in luck 'cause I added one for butterfly a few days ago. To find a tip, just go to the move list and find the move you're interested in (you can search for it on the freestyle page which you all members of this list should be bookmarking and visiting daily :-)) http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ That page and all the information on it are meant to be a companion to this e-mail list. So, as people come up with tutorials and explanations for moves, etc., they should be reflected there. Anyone who is a member of footbag.org can add tips to the move list. Though clearly you should give higher weight to tips from people you respect. :-) As for butterfly, the tip I wrote is accessible from the butterfly page: http://www.footbag.org/moves/show/904102041 If that doesn't help, sorry. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:47:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03747 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:47:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18905 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:40:27 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zJBO0607nY (3943) for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:39:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d7f113c2.25523de8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:39:52 EST Subject: Re: RE: [freestyle] can someone help To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/3/99 5:48:21 PM, AdrianD@callplus.co.nz writes: << Speaking of clipper stall, I propose we rename it to 'Flaming Minstrel'. >> I agree. Clipper is so... blah ;) Flaming Minstrel is far superior in my book Matt "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:47:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03757 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:47:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20395 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:27:03 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA659 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:27:02 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:27:01 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf266c$148a61c0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jon wrote... >Also it is my opinion that my fairy set is definitely a full dex, would my fairy >mirage get a bonus dex Eric? I don't know about the "full dex" part but, regarding the X-dex add, it depends on which side you do your mirage on. In fairy set>same mirage neither dex is an x-dex(over>over) so the move is 3 adds. In fairy set>op mirage both dexes are X so the second dex would get 2 adds... A 4 add move. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:47:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03767 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:47:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20649 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:33:45 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA444 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:33:43 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:33:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bf266d$042fde80$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeremiah Riely wrote: >I think it is unnesesary to make more names for components, especially >since all these new names mean is pixie or fairy to some side. Just >say same side to clarify. Brat.. >That's right. I agree. More from me later. As many of you know... Me Too... Can't wait for more from the Brat.. :) ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:48:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03777 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:48:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20825 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:39:04 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA780 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:39:03 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:39:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf266d$c26d58a0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org enlisted man.. >As long as there is a unique name for each unique move, I'll be happy. >Until that day, I'll bitch and moan... again... I think you are confusing names of moves with names of components of moves. Myself and others have stated that when a move doesn't have a name it is referred to by it's components. stepping butterfly is not a name as much as it is what it is... this move doesn't have a name outside it's components "haze" is the name for stepping dlo ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:48:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03787 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:48:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f221.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.221]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20711 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:35:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 72302 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 02:35:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104023519.72301.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.148.168.149 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:35:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.148.168.149] From: "James McCullough" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] dragon Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:35:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sup all just how exactly is the dragon stall done?? i need some tips and for all the beginners out there... KEEP TRYIN!! i was in a week long slump after watching some shreddin videos and one day shortly after i hit almost all the moves i had been practicing (cept for the damn dragon) thanx later james From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:48:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03797 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:48:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21020 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:43:44 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17185 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:43:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05685; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:43:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:43:41 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: [freestyle] dragons and other odd delays To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is anyone hitting double-down dragon moves? set > same/op out > same out > op dragon I was trying paradon dragon, but I havn't hit one yet. I was also trying this: toe > op out > same out > (back)spin > op toe It's like the dragon, except you look over your other shoulder and catch toe instead of outside. Is there a name for this? What about toe > same in > (front)spin > same toe? I can actually HIT that, but what's it called? I've been calling it pixie twist. -the Phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:48:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03807 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:48:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21038 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:44:07 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA1389 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:44:06 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:44:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000901bf266e$771b5040$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Cecconi said... >Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] >Eg: Hit a Left Toe Stall. Set and dex from out to in with your right leg. >Now spin to your left (CounterClockwise), while planting your right foot 3/4 >of the way through the spin. Dex from in to out with your left foot. Now >catch on a right foot toe stall. This is a twin spinning mirage. The components have a name but the move does not as far as I know. If you have hit this move than you can name it whatever you want and try to claim it as "the name". It is generally understood that whoever hits a move first can name it. I think that this move is definitely worthy of a name and Carrousel fits ever so nicely in my opinion. Cool! Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:49:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03817 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:49:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21072 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:45:27 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA1567 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:45:26 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:45:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01bf266e$a6f07de0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org uh... go Dave Reid.. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 02:49:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03827 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:49:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21316 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:51:42 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA311 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:51:40 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Double dex & Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:51:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf266f$856cf940$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sam Colclough.. >Eric Wulff is COOL I propose that all sets including 1 or more adds in them followed by a "same side" should, from here on out, be called an "EW is Cool" set. AND... when followed by an "op side" should be called an "EW is an Ass" set. This way peoples opinions of ew can be reflected in their styles PLUS there will be far less confusion about sets and moves and FREEstyle and everything will be hunky-dory... 50DB From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 03:12:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03963 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 03:12:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22635 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:24:36 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00198 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:23:07 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <003f01bf2674$5d50c720$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double dex & Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:26:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >I propose that all sets including 1 or more adds in them followed by a "same >side" should, from here on out, be called an "EW is Cool" set. AND... when >followed by an "op side" should be called an "EW is an Ass" set. This way >peoples opinions of ew can be reflected in their styles PLUS there will be >far less confusion about sets and moves and FREEstyle and everything will be >hunky-dory... Well, with the number of people doing the "EW is an Ass" butterfly (aka ripwalk) in their strings, the opinion is looking pretty strong. I have seen EW doing lots of the "EW is Cool" butterfly... hmm.... :) Dave PS. Do you guys ever break from shredding long enough to actually TALK about all of these move name issues at the tourneys? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 05:03:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04352 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 05:03:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.155]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23370 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:49:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 40470 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 03:49:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104034910.40469.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:49:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] dragons and other odd delays Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:49:10 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy. Phil Summers inquired: > >Is anyone hitting double-down dragon moves? >set > same/op out > same out > op dragon > >I was trying paradon dragon, but I havn't hit one yet. Darryl Genz has hit this, it's on the 96 Tam Tam Jam video. Shred hard, Ceiling Fan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 07:27:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04415 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:27:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27488 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:24:32 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991104062431.HOXK318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:24:31 -0800 Message-ID: <382126C4.974383EE@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:25:08 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeN Somolinos CC: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move & Pixie Fairy Gibberish References: <19991103173518.74236.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: > > Hello all, > Dave Cecconi inquired about this move: > > >Toe> Opp Out [dex]>Back(spin) [Bod]> Opp In [Dex]>Opp Toe [Del] > > To which Andrew responded: > >If I understand you, then I asked about this move myself a while back and I > >beileve Eric Burges(sp? sorry) named it tornado, Actually, the tornado was a nuclear set gyro(?) mirage instead of the atomic (or would it be tapping?) set. Or, clip > same out > back spin > op in > op toe I think Tuan said that he had already named this move too, but the name escapes me at the moment... -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 08:09:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04459 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:09:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f16.hotmail.com [209.185.131.79]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA29830 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:23:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 3738 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 08:23:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104082301.3737.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 139.67.16.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:23:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [139.67.16.43] From: "Frank Gutowski" To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:23:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A crazy idea - >stepping butterfly is not a name as much as it is what it is... this move >doesn't have a name outside it's components > >"haze" is the name for stepping dlo I don't know how many times that I have heard stepping butterfly used as an example of this component vs. "name" shiznit. I gots a simple solution - lets call a stepping butterfly a "riprun". I say "riprun", because it pays respect the THE MAN Rick Reese with the "rip" part, and the "run" part comes from a cheezie ass analogy to "ripwalk", and the fact that a stepping butterfly is one of those backwards/forwards - rerun moves in the sport(ya'll get the dicotomy?). Lets hear a response to my post, I want this name changed - just so people will come up with another example for their whinning, and because Rippin deserves many more moves named in his esteemed honor. P.S. Derrick, you wanted more moves to add to the moves list, I hit pixie legbeater a while a go, and named it "dasine", that is another one for ya. Also, I have hit pixie atomsmasher - which I have deemed the "dominatrix". Frank "whipping boy" Gutowski Frank From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 08:29:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04507 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:29:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01996 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:38:15 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA1425 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:38:12 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:38:12 -0800 Message-ID: <003f01bf269f$eec7f2c0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "RipRun"... that name's phat.. an eric is cool>butterfly... much better than "RipWalk".. an eric is an ass> butterfly.. ee dub From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 08:55:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04537 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:55:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05225 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:59:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FKO00A010Z945@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 01:59:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 01:59:32 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Trixx In-reply-to: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823427146@INETSRV> To: Adrian Dick Cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Adrian Dick wrote: > What is the difference between Shooting Butterfly and Blurry Legbeater? > Why does the second trick get a paradox add? > It seems to me that the only difference is an extra step, which should not > in itself be the defining paradox element. Actually, they are both 6 add moves. Shooting moves get a paradox as well, as long as the bag goes back to the side of the body it started from. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 17:43:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05121 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:43:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.207]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA14360 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:20:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 64884 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 14:19:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104141954.64883.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 06:19:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double dex & Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:19:54 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >PS. Do you guys ever break from shredding long enough to actually TALK >about all of these move name issues at the tourneys? > No, it is typically stated clearly at the beginning that the whole thing is typically a load of B.S.. Then we have nothing else to worry about... :) Ian D. MUFF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 17:43:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05126 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:43:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18559 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:25:29 -0800 Received: from storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.240]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E7612B5 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA07695; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:25:24 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQL86gk/Kc3YvgaUufL6ALh3D0xmgIUWEqfpVlRFMr1vxZ9pXWhp5qiBuM= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:25:24 -0500 (EST) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie and fairy sets and twirl.... Message-ID: <26737-3821B374-157@storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Allan Haggett 's message of Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:34:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan wrote : << ripped-warrior'. Now I realize that whoever named this[????] was was looking at it as a ripwalk with a duck in it and wanted to keep the 'rip' part, and 'duck-walk' sounds worse than 'ripped warrior' but damn..... :) >> GF writes : Actually, Ripped warrior is a VERY COOL name ! 50DB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GGFSN From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 17:43:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05116 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:43:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f108.hotmail.com [209.185.131.171]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA06871 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:18:06 -0800 Received: (qmail 61124 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 10:17:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104101736.61123.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.95.9.26 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 02:17:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [24.95.9.26] From: "Steven Young" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] answer me this please Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 02:17:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am new to this list and as well to the terminology. But i was wondering if this move has a name. I will try to explain best i can. inside > same out[dex] > pendulum > 360 turn > same foot plant[del]. with my luck this move is prolly multiple moves, if so i'm sorry i wasted your time. Steev "O" From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 20:23:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05319 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:23:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991104202510.WAFF1625.kuku.excite.com@prickles> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:25:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1197482.941747110620.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:25:10 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: mobiuspro@excite.com To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Laver Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.219 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:06:09 -0800 Joshua Feltman Wrote: >>Greetings All--I just got a pair of Lavers (WHEEEEE!!!!!!!) My sentiments exactly.... >>and I have a >>few questions: First off, do you wear socks with them? Unless you don't mind leaving your Lavers outside whenever you get home cause they stink so bad!! *Some* people can get a way with it without stinky feet.... >>I know this >>sounds stupid, but if you are supposed to cut out the inner cotton >>lining for increased sensitivity... This is the recomended thing to do apparently, though I've never actually done it.... I want my Laver's to last as long as possible and it would seem that cutting out some of the infrastructure would reduce their lifespan. >>question--are they washable? Yes, but if you use bleach it really accelerates the 'yellowing' of the white rubber on the side of the sole... this happens after time anyway, UV's I guess, but bleach will make it happen a lot sooner. If they have to be white use *very* little of the stuff.... >>One last one: The insoles are glued in. >>I want to replace them with Spenco insoles, but I am unsure If I >should >>just rip the existing insoles out, or if there is some trick to >removing >>them. Just rip those suckers outta there!! They won't fall apart. Hope that helps B~| Allan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 21:34:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05487 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:34:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29989 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:46:41 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03164; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:46:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:46:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Adrian Dick cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Trixx In-Reply-To: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823427146@INETSRV> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > What is the difference between Shooting Butterfly and Blurry Legbeater? > Why does the second trick get a paradox add? > It seems to me that the only difference is an extra step, which should not > in itself be the defining paradox element. Both moves get paradox. Shooting butterfly has a shooting set in it, so the first dex is done without planting. They are the same adds because the shooting set doesn't get symposium. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 22:52:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05641 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:52:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32074; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:50:07 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr123.clearsail.net [207.252.227.123]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15669; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:34:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000b01bf2717$b1ee9fc0$7be3fccf@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: "Sam Colclough" Cc: References: <007d01bf2587$6a8b7400$454ef5d1@Sam> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double dex Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:55:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Can someone give me some advice on getting double dexes? I can hit left and > right pixies, left and right mirages, left and right leg overs, left and > right ATW's, both dragonflies, and both butterflies. But for some reason I > haven't been able to manage any double dexes yet. Do you mean double dexes like double atw and terrage, or like smear and pixie leg over? Well here's my help for one leg double dexe . I have been hitting double atws in/out on my right (strong side), and can finally do double atws in/out with left and out/in with right, and terrages with right. The set is a very important part. Try setting them so the peak of the bag will be around upper thigh to waist level. I usually set mine about waist level. Set the bag up a wait a split second before starting the first dex so you won't hit it with your foot. Point your toe down so your leg can go faster and is less likely to hit the bag. Swing your leg around twice really fast :) try to have the first dex done before the bag reaches its peak so you can complete the second dex as the bag reaches peak and falls. Then stall the bag on your toe and do a little celebration dance. When I was first learing, my foot would always overshoot after the second dex and miss the toe stall. Try to stop your foot after completing the second dex so your foot won't go too far and miss the stall. It also helped me to learn to hit double atws without shoes on. Try it without shoes and see if it helps. My feet move faster without shoes on for those frontside moves. Hope this helps. Also speaking of no shoes on, are Tevas lighter than Lavers? I've never worn a pair. It seems like they would be lighter and a lot like having no shoes on. (Probaly because they aren't shoes, their sandals) Except for being much, much better for clippers than bare feet. James "ska boy" Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 23:13:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05736 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:13:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32705 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:10:26 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr123.clearsail.net [207.252.227.123]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18186; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:55:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002301bf271a$839cfd80$7be3fccf@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: "jon nagela" Cc: References: <19991103052924.44372.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:15:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Its good to hear that you are doing fairy sets as > hardly anybody was doing them at worlds this year. Come to think of it i > have never even seen one on video yet. I was wondering what kind of fairy > moves you do? I do fairy butterflies (still working on this one a lot), reverse magellans (fairy same in leg over), fairy same side mirages. Not a whole lot else right now since I just royally messed up my ankle five minutes ago. I think my shoes were too losely tied. OUCH! James "ska boy" Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 23:49:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05818 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:49:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01115 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:37:40 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24359 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:37:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28545; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:37:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:37:36 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: [freestyle] my new favorite move To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org clip > same out > (back)spin > op toe or clip > same out > op x-body toe (depends on which shoulder you look over) The "I-can't-believe-it's-not-butterfly" -the Phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 5 04:59:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06279 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 04:59:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09744 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:19:54 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zCUAa22485 (4246) for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:19:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.37cf7cf7.2553b4c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:19:18 EST Subject: [freestyle] my first 6 add move!? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I was just kicking around again and was practicing some drills. Now I know I'm supposed be sticking with the 2-3 and possibly 4 add moves and try to get them solid. Well I was concluding my practice session with some last attempts at hard moves. I ended up hitting what I think was a ducking paradox da da curve which. After I hit it( which by the was very clean)..I was thinking 6 ADDS! Here's the jobs for it: clip set>duck>op in[pdx][dex]>(no plant while) op out[dex]>op clip[xbd][del]. So is this 6 adds? Let me know Thanks, Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 5 18:01:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06906 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:01:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09264 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:52:23 -0800 Received: from [24.5.70.19] by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991105175221.WGSH318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:52:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:49:56 -0700 Subject: [freestyle] pendulum advice From: "Josh Cope" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991105175221.WGSH318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've spent a lot of time getting control of the pendulum and now its become the biggest staple in all of my kicking. I've got two questions: 1) I'm sure there's a name for the following: 1/2 pendulum(i.e. released early so the bag goes straight up behind my back)-> spin in opposite direction -> another 1/2 pendulum, then the bag ends up back in front where it started. So I'd like to know the common title for this move, and also a verification of how many adds it is worth. 2) Having spent so much time at it, I'm now able to grab from and set to just about anywhere with a pendulum. Any advice on what I can work on as a set to or move following to make things styley and worth some adds? Thanks, Josh From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 5 19:27:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06994 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:27:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f269.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.47]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA11726 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:02:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 27305 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1999 19:01:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991105190149.27304.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 11:01:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: wirsbo@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pendulum advice Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:01:48 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers! Josh Cope asked how many adds pendulums are, and half pendulums. Well, they are technically two adds, but remember that adds really mean jack. Pendulums and rakes don't really fit well into the add system, but you should do them cause they look really cool and are fun. >2) Any advice on what I can work on as a >set to or move following to make things styley and worth some adds? Again, adds are worthless. Off of a half pendulum, I like to turn and do a dragon fly. Off a full pendulum, i like to eclipse when it comes over my head. My friend Tony Carter Piff at Swarthmore was working on a crossbody release from pendulum, and trying barflies and pdx whirls off of this. Oh, and of course there is always whirling dervish, which is just awesome. Break the mold, forget about adds. Ken CF Somolinos Bear Feet/NYFA From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 5 19:30:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07007 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:30:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12578 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:39:19 -0800 Received: from [24.5.70.19] by news.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991105193918.WRDE318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]>; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:39:18 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:36:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [freestyle] pendulum advice From: "Josh Cope" To: KeN Somolinos , freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991105193918.WRDE318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.5.70.19]> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Josh Cope: >>2) Any advice on what I can work on as a >>set to or move following to make things styley and worth some adds? >From: "KeN Somolinos" > Break the mold, forget about adds. Ha!, I see how I might have come off sounding like I cared about the points...but styley is far more my concern, Its just that Ive stared at how the adds are calced till my eyes crossed & i still have no idea how the system works, hence, I cant help being a little curious. So I say, right on!, forget adds, and , thanks for the recommends, its good to hear of someone else digging the pendulum action, as ive seen none on any videos @ footbag.org Take 'er easy Josh From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 00:04:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07431 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:04:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: William Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14389 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:30:51 -0800 Received: from cspwnt (CS-PW-NT [156.156.156.59]) by symail.syda.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id WG17KJTR; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:31:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001901bf27cc$aa587a00$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> To: "Freestyle" Subject: [freestyle] Ending w/ Inside Delays Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:30:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All So last night I did a move exactly like Pixie except ending with an inside stall. It went TOE > SAME IN to OUT > (Plant SAME) OP INSIDE DEL Are these considered exactly the same as the regular pixies that end with a toe stall, or is there a special name for moves that usually end with toes stalls but are done with inside delays? For me, at least, it was a bit harder. Lemme know. William "WillPower" Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 00:04:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07436 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:04:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991105220908.DNHN1625.kuku.excite.com@prickles> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:09:08 -0800 Message-ID: <11396565.941839749159.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: mobiuspro@excite.com To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Ripped Warrior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 199.60.118.174 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ello, <> hehehehehe, hahahahahaha :<} Ok you gots your opinion and I gots mine...... Can anyone tell me who did name that?? Allan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 00:04:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07441 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:04:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (titan.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21221 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:37:29 -0800 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAABDD for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:37:24 -0800 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:37:24 -0800 Message-ID: <7728017AE8C.AAABDD@mail.csuchico.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow kickers, As some of you know from a while back, I had mentioned that I was in the process of teaching footbag at a local sports club. Well, they finally decided to start the program and I'm very excited . I decided, way back when, to include some of the various ideas people had given (how to sew a bag, special speakers). I've also decided to include some skill training like balance, coordination, and endurance into the program, as well as include basic kicking time. Does anyone have any other ideas that may improve the success of the class? I also am contemplating on the type of bag to use. I was going to with a dirt bag or something similiar to increase the chances of stalling, but know from experience that it is difficult to switch to a regular bag. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! thanks in advance, keep on kickin Tara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 01:16:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07542 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:16:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25801 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:05:38 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zNGRa11406 (4013) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:05:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c0b57dfa.2554d8c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:05:04 EST Subject: [freestyle] Possible Xmas Jam location in Pittsburg... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright, I found a location to have a jam, unfortunately it's $200 for 3 hours, which would limit the jam to.........3 hours. And it owuld have to be on the 27, 28, 29, 30, or 31. All weekdays. the 26th would be a possiblity. so would anyone beable to make it??? Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 01:16:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07547 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:16:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe42.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.210]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25813 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:06:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 87286 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Nov 1999 01:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19991106010547.87285.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.207.0.138] Reply-To: "Mike Lin" From: "Mike Lin" To: References: <001901bf27cc$aa587a00$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ending w/ Inside Delays Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:05:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup all, >It went TOE > SAME IN to OUT > (Plant SAME) OP INSIDE DEL I believe its called "Guay", which means "weird" or "strange" in Chinese. >For me, at least, it was a bit harder You're right, it IS a little harder. =) -Mike "Argastes" Lin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 01:28:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07580 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:28:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26458 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:38:59 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991106013858.UOCW12864.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:38:58 -0800 Message-ID: <382386E7.42BC464D@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:39:51 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Lin CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ending w/ Inside Delays References: <001901bf27cc$aa587a00$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> <19991106010547.87285.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Lin wrote: > >It went TOE > SAME IN to OUT > (Plant SAME) OP INSIDE DEL > > I believe its called "Guay", which means "weird" or "strange" in Chinese. > Actually, this is just a pixie caught on an inside delay. A guay is a legover caught on an inside delay. > >For me, at least, it was a bit harder > > You're right, it IS a little harder. =) Harder, yes. Cooler, yes. People don't do many inside delays. Mark my words... The inside, outside and unusuals are the future of the sport! Try ATW to inside, ATW to outside, mirage to inside and outside, pixies, fairies, legovers, etc. Variety = good. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 03:53:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07756 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:53:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30296 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:59:32 -0800 Received: from wiser.excite.com ([199.172.152.234]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991106035931.EWER1625.kuku.excite.com@wiser.excite.com> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:59:31 -0800 From: "Yorghos Carabas" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] I'm a new guy, 4 weeks in. Message-Id: <941860771.19393.731@excite.com> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:59:31 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 131.216.128.150 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been on the free style chat for about 2 weeks now and everyone says to skool all ur movers with both legs and I've overcompensated with my left, now my left is my new dominant leg.hehe sounds funny. Today I finally finished up all the 2-add moves and I sorta skipped the 3-adds; I hit a ripwalk(all luck, can't do it again), and some ducking butterflies which are fairly easy. Can someone please explain dragon moves to me? And how would I go about learning two consecutive arounds the worlds? toe>same in>same in>same toe Yorghos Carabas (no nickname yet) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 03:53:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07766 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:53:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f157.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA30323 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:00:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 48496 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1999 03:59:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19991106035939.48495.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.99.138.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:59:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [149.99.138.46] From: "James McCullough" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] help with dragon stalls Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:59:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sup all could someone please tell me how the dragon stall is achieved? i mean if it is what i think it is than my ankle has got some serious trainin to do. later jm From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 04:28:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08001 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:28:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31833 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:31:33 -0800 Received: from storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AD4179D; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA28313; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:31:33 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuelUajxiYPUgc9R+vX1NdkVAHWMCFACDMEei1tGRBr+lK5P657Ivi+oe From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:31:33 -0500 (EST) To: mobiuspro@excite.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Ripped Warrior Message-ID: <24462-3823AF25-2279@storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Allan Haggett 's message of Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:09:09 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Allan asked ; >Can anyone tell me who did name that?? EW, wasn't that you ? aka Ironman, aka 50DB !!!!!!!!!!!! Ripped warrior reminds me of the book Warrior Athlete : )) GGFSN From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 04:28:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08011 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:28:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f164.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.164]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA15457 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:01:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 3224 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1999 15:00:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991104150036.3223.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 07:00:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie and Fairy sets Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:00:36 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Frank Gutowski" I gots a simple >solution - >lets call a stepping butterfly a "riprun". I say "riprun", because it pays >respect the THE MAN Rick Reese with the "rip" part, and the "run" part >comes >from a cheezie ass analogy to "ripwalk", Cheezie asses---mmm, hadn't had any of those in a while... Anyhow, I think it sounds like a very viable name--I like it(Riprun, not cheezie asses). I also feel like stating something. In response to just DESCRIBING moves, and NOT NAMING them, lets stick with a consistent format if this is to be done. I heard someone say that a pixie would imply 'followed by an op side component' and fairy would imply 'followed by same side component'... Excuse me, but this is getting f---ing ridiculous. My pea sized brain has enuff stuff to remember with out digging deep in there to figure out whether pixie is pixie same or fairy is fairy op, wait whats that? is that blurry? no it is stepping. does that imply same or opp? BUNCH OF SHIT is what it is. If we are going to use sets as impied names lets keep it simple and along a rigid format. I think that they should follow the stepping pattern of designation(sorry to bring ol' Riprun into this Frank), but this eliminates unnecessary ambiguity. Seriously though, please listen... stepping= same side stepping op= op side pixie= same side pixie op= op side fairy= same side fairy op= op side diving= same side diving op= op side ducking= same side ducking op= op side You get the point. I don't really like my ducking example as I normally think of duck as op, but it makes things consistent. There are other examples, but I am at work and don't have an immense amount of time to delve into this. Basically the only determiner would be opposite, and same side is always implied. I see atomic vs. tapping and slapping vs. quantum as problems. But nothing that can not be eliminated by one of two things. One, for each set we ditch one name and use the other solely (though to keep quantum or atomic the quantum and atomic would have to imply same side to keep with the trend above--I don't like this, but it is a suggestion). Or, keep them as they are, since most people know what they are already, and just stop naming sets from this point on--I prefer this. You don't like it? Cool. Fill me in. Like it? Cool. Fill me in. But, I just want it known that I did my part (though insignificant maybe)to eliminate these dicussions, allusions, etc. to the ambiguity of all this crap. Later, Ian D. MUFF PS Whats the difference between a sorority and a circus? (a joke) Reply to my post and I will respond to your response and also include the punch line... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 22:17:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10203 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:17:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07026 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:19:19 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.244.74.209.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.244.74.209]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA02964; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:19:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011001bf282f$7e452d60$d14af4d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Derric Scalf" , "Mike Lin" Cc: References: <001901bf27cc$aa587a00$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> <19991106010547.87285.qmail@hotmail.com> <382386E7.42BC464D@dallasfootbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ending w/ Inside Delays Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:18:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Derric Scalf > Actually, this is just a pixie caught on an inside delay. A guay is a > legover caught on an inside delay. > > Try ATW to inside I thought that guay was ATW to inside. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 22:17:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10208 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:17:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07050 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:20:56 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.244.74.209.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.244.74.209]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA04008; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:20:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011a01bf282f$bb18c580$d14af4d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Yorghos Carabas" , References: <941860771.19393.731@excite.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] I'm a new guy, 4 weeks in. Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:20:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Yorghos Carabas I hit a ripwalk(all luck, can't do it again), and some ducking > butterflies which are fairly easy. A few ducking butterflies? And you are a new guy, 4 weeks in? Waaaa! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 22:17:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10218 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:17:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17560 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:24:33 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FKR00A01X0Q64@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:24:26 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 04:24:25 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] the name Riprun To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I don't want to offend anyone (lord knows I've thought of stupid names) but you will never, ever, hear me refer to stepping butterfly as ......! See I didn't! Did Rick Reese indeed invent that move? If so then I would understand why one would like it to carry his nickname. I will still always call it a Stepping butterfly though. I think if you're going to name a move it should (in most cases) already have three or more move or set names in it or less than two. For instance, Stepping Butterfly is stepping and butterfly; a set and a move name. Same as pixie or stepping osis etc.... Certainly I don't think we need to start renaming moves to either fit this or to break the names that are out there which don't fit into this. But why change the widely excepted names. It gets really confusing to all us A.D.D. patients. Rename some of the newer tricks with names no one can remember. One more thing. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe those names help differentiate (my new favorite big word) between the sides. For instance Ripwalk is stepping op butterfly, parkwalk and sidewalk are used to differentiate (that word again) between pixie same and op butterfly. Pixie osis and pixie osis, but which osis. Magellan and pixie legover. But I hate Riprun!!! Maybe I should shut up now, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 22:17:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10242 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:17:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30548 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:50:33 -0800 Received: from batty.excite.com ([199.172.152.107]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991106185001.FHJQ3796.fortune.excite.com@batty.excite.com>; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:50:01 -0800 From: "yorghos carabas" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Styles of footbag... Message-Id: <941914202.26672.30@excite.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 10:50:02 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 131.216.128.150 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is crispy stlye exactly? Yorghos Carabas From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 22:17:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10213 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:17:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA09759 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:32:19 -0800 Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23530; Sat, 6 Nov 99 03:32:41 EST Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA27952 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [18.237.0.33] (FIVE-HT.MIT.EDU [18.237.0.33]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA20716 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:32:17 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:32:13 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Andrew Hires Subject: [freestyle] NO PROBLEM Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org All I have to say is this.... If you are asking about Dbl. ATW? Check the Archives, I learned it from there... I HAVE gotten 2 new boston emails tonight and I am psyched for a new Boston scene.... Ken Somolinos is broke ass, because he hasn't made the trip to boston yet, even thought it's only 14$ RT on Peter Pan...AND I'm throwing a party SAT... If he wants to really push the envelope, he should break out of the BROWN scene... Triple suck becuase they always involve a DLO... If you want to be har core, skip that DLO shit,,,, Somebody (Ahren) better hit a 4-dex move this year... I've been waiting for 22 months... C'mon. That's all I gotta say, x-cept that the 15-year old punks should skool more before they post to a technical list.... Also PDX implies a full dex before the second... but that arguable.... Thanks for toleration my ramblings... Sorry KEN! Andrew Hires Bugpowdr@mit.edu From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 00:42:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10474 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:42:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06803 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: <19991107003806.28656.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.216.156.223] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:38:06 PST Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:38:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] finally To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Windson and everyone, I have finally hit the damn eggbeater! After all this time I started trying it a different way and now I could hit it in my sleep. Before today I was planting the set foot before I started the first dex. But now I kind of jump like I'm doing a legover only instead of catching the bag right away, I bring my other leg around the bag and catch it with that foot. Soon after hitting that first eggbeater, I hit a sloppy legbeater.(oh man it was horrible...but its a start) Oh and I have a queston...Do I really need to learn how to spin both ways?? So far I can only spin to the left. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 00:42:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10478 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:42:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06879 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:40:49 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6GAKa20757 (4257); Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:40:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f842010.25562469@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:40:09 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] NO PROBLEM To: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/6/1999 2:33:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, bugpowdr@MIT.EDU writes: > Triple > suck becuase they always involve a DLO... If you want to be har core, skip > that DLO shit,,,, do you know what you're talking about? first off dlo are nice. second have you ever seen a tape? people hitting all sorts of non dlo based triples. > Somebody (Ahren) better hit a 4-dex move this year... I've been waiting for > 22 months... try hitting it yourself, it's not easy. shouldn't demand anything from people that you don't demand from yourself. simple as that. > x-cept that the 15-year old punks should skool more > before they post to a technical list.... what does skooling have to do with talking technical? nothing? i can talk about all sorts of tech shit that i can't hit. does that mean i shouldn't send it to the list. I say keep the tech talk coming from every level. My name is Josh Childs and i ride the small bus to school. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 01:26:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10561 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 01:26:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08530 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:37:18 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12464 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:37:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28649; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:37:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:37:15 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: [freestyle] chicken or the egg? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org When people first started hitting legbeaters, were they doing them atomic style, or just busting out the super speed? What came first, the legbeater or the eggbeater? What about omlettes and scrambled omlettes? Is a true scrambled omlette different from an atom smasher? Is the first dex in an omlette supposed to be like the ankle wraps around the bag at its highest point? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 05:25:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11180 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 05:25:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f170.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.170]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12808 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:33:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 90409 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1999 04:33:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19991107043327.90408.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.68.85 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:33:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.68.85] From: "Zeke ibardaloza" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Blur help Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:33:27 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org W'sup, For those of you who hit blur at will, do you set it high or low? Low as in knee height. I got back in from kicking and I was just wondering how everone else does it. I usually try and get it about waist high but I hit the bag sometimes with the second dex leg. I dont know if I'm not setting it right or if I'm just not paying attention to the second dexterity and just rushing through the motion. Any advice would be appreciated. BTW Jon, Dan, great jam today! Later, ZEKE P.S. Oh, and I've only been playing four hours... today :P From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 05:25:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11175 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 05:25:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f193.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.193]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10607 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:05:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 65337 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1999 03:05:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19991107030524.65336.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:05:24 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] NO PROBLEM Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:05:24 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Andrew Hires wrote: >Ken Somolinos is broke ass, because he hasn't made the trip to boston yet, >even thought it's only 14$ RT on Peter Pan...AND I'm throwing a party >SAT... If he wants to really push the envelope, he should break out of the >BROWN scene... Hey! Between getting a Providence scene started, school, and my girlfriend, the time isn't there. And I AM pushing the envelope, just keeping it on the DL is all... >Triple >suck becuase they always involve a DLO... Uhh...Only 2/9th of the triple dexes I hit involve DLO. And triple dexes are phat. >Also PDX implies a full dex before the second... but that arguable.... > It is. Pdx Torque, Pdx Drifter, Pdx whirl, Pdx mirage, Pdx reverse mirage, pdx blender, etc. Peace everybody. Ken CF Somolinos Bear Feet/NYFA From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 19:33:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11869 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:33:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14213 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:01:48 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zBZQa22485 (4211) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:01:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bc5da7d.2556fc4b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:01:15 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] NO PROBLEM To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/6/99 6:36:53 PM, bugpowdr@MIT.EDU writes: << That's all I gotta say, x-cept that the 15-year old punks should skool more before they post to a technical list.... >> I agree, at least 5 or 6 times in the past week, I've seen new strains on this list asking about how to do clippers, or how dragons work. There's somethin you kids can do, and somethin the rest of us should do. For the kiddies- read the simple tutorials on footbag.org and dallasfootbag.com (.org?) For the rest of us, add to the moves list, add the tips. if you've got a Footbag.org account, you can add tips to any move on the list. Go at it, it'll help out the new kids alot. I've already done one for dragon. Maybe I'll do clipper later. Matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 19:37:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11879 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:37:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17988 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:45:05 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zYAVa21390 (3983) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:44:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.442e801b.25572284@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:44:20 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ending w/ Inside Delays To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Guay=toe>op in>same inside delay Owen "Total Package" Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- MODERATOR'S NOTE from Steve Goldberg (Nov. 7, 1999): ---- Owen, and others, please refer to the online version of a move when ---- discussing moves! This information is clearly on my site. Just go ---- to http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ and type "guay" into the ---- search box, and you're *done*. If you have comments or tips on the ---- move, *add them there*. Please help me deflect this type of unnecessary ---- e-mail discussion to the website move database. Thanks. ---- Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 01:16:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12839 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:16:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f92.hotmail.com [209.185.131.155]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31683 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:18:39 -0800 Received: (qmail 21247 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1999 01:18:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19991108011806.21246.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.43.147.208 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Nov 1999 17:18:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [203.43.147.208] From: "Lynton Stephens" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Triple dex combos Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 17:18:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi shredders- I was just curious, has anyone ever hit 3 consec triple dexterity moves, if so what?? Ryan attempts blurriest >> blurrier >> flurry on Rye Shred at the end (now that's bold!!). Blurriest >> blurriest >> flurry might be hittable too. Also, what other triple dex combos have people hit? I've heard of these: blurriest >> blurriest blurriest >> flurry blurriest >> blurrier smog >> toe flurry Let's hear some others!! Rip it up ... and some more ... Lynton From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 06:37:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13476 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:37:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06580 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:33:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 21208 invoked by alias); 8 Nov 1999 05:33:24 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 20537 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1999 05:33:01 -0000 Received: from odialup89.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.181.67.89) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 1999 05:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <38266105.6C82D91B@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:35:01 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Scorpion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I learned this move the other day. It's like a flying clipper. Only you bring the jumping leg over the top of the bag from out to in and then kick the bag as in a flying clipper. I'm told it's called a scorpion, if not, what is it called? M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 06:37:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13466 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:37:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03572 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:41:27 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zXCCbnXYk_ (4441) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:40:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.98d3d6fb.2557a046@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:40:54 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple dex combos To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've never seen anyone do it. I've gotten 2 consec triple dexes: 2 smogs, but thats as close as I'll ever get. Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 06:37:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13471 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:37:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06027 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:18:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 19748 invoked by alias); 8 Nov 1999 05:14:25 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 9822 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1999 05:08:43 -0000 Received: from odialup89.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.181.67.89) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 1999 05:08:42 -0000 Message-ID: <38265B53.76D695E4@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:10:43 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Leg Over? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does the leg over need to be done [SET]>OP OUT [DEX]>SAME [DEL]. Or could it also be done [SET]>OP IN [DEX]>SAME [DEL]? Are they two different moves? If so, what is the name of the IN DEX move? M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 06:54:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13520 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:54:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09146 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:01:02 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991108070100.RWPE12864.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:01:00 -0800 Message-ID: <38267545.53C0581A@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 01:01:25 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Leg Over? References: <38265B53.76D695E4@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Wafaie wrote: > > Does the leg over need to be done [SET]>OP OUT [DEX]>SAME > [DEL]. Yep. > Or could it also be done [SET]>OP IN [DEX]>SAME [DEL]? This is called a pickup. Remember, the set can come from anywhere... clipper or toe, dragon or heel. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 16:07:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13820 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:07:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f229.hotmail.com [209.185.130.167]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA02687 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:13:25 -0800 Received: (qmail 80381 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1999 14:12:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19991108141250.80380.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 62.104.203.19 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 06:12:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [62.104.203.19] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: mattius@uswest.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: butterfly kick (Re: [freestyle] Scorpion) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:12:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >It's like a flying clipper. Only you bring the jumping leg over the >top of >the bag from out to in and then kick the bag as in a flying >clipper. I'm told it's called a scorpion, if not, what is >it called? i think its a butterfly kick normally you kick with the jumping leg and do the dexterity with the other one (at least i think its easier in that way) SET > JUMP [BOD] > SAME or OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] Fabian Kollakowski From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 16:07:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13821 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:07:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from intersys.com (gateway.intersys.com [198.133.74.253]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03225 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:36:41 -0800 Received: by gateway.intersys.com id <115208>; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:35:12 -0500 Message-Id: <99Nov8.093512est.115208@gateway.intersys.com> X-Sender: dennisl@moon X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:35:49 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: [freestyle] Blur help In-Reply-To: <99Nov7.005133est.115205@gateway.intersys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i usually try to set my blurs high, then take my time with the second dex. i like doing this because: a) you are less rushed like this (Stu Roll style), and b) i like doing what i call late mirages (performing the dex as the bag is well on its way down). so i guess i try to get the sets about chest high, ... also, Ken, you _should_ come up to Boston to shred - i just moved here. take it easy, Dennis From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 21:46:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14432 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:46:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06170 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:55:46 -0800 Message-ID: <19991108200843.10225.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.112] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:08:43 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:08:43 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colorado Shred Sympoium To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Calling all shredders! It's time to decide if you are coming to Boulder, Colo February 19-21, 2000 for the shred symposium. A lot of you sick stylers have already confirmed, but we need to know who is for sure and who is considering it. We now have a site locked down, and are working on t-shirts and other player's pack goodies. Boulder is gonna hook it up! We have lots of room for couch and floor surfers, so there is no need for a host hotel. If you are flying in, I recommend you stay in town at Dave, Red, & Jon's house- it's quite plush. If you are driving here and want to stay at my house in the mountains (ten min. from town) you are welcome to; both places will be rockin'. You can check out http://www.footbag.org and click on events for the latest details. So please email me with any comments, and let me know if you might be coming. Unless you mind, I would like to make a list of those coming public on the event list. Thanks on behalf of the Boulder Blades. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 8 22:42:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14491 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:42:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f149.hotmail.com [209.185.131.212]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06841 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:11:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 81092 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1999 20:24:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19991108202402.81091.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.244.108.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:24:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.244.108.234] From: "Jaxon Stewart" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] shtuff Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:24:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's me again... whats an infinity??? how do you do a proper pogo set? atomic?? and a steping? i hit a toe rip-walk....yesssssss. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 01:02:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14621 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:02:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f19.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12602 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:25:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 71008 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 1999 00:24:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991109002436.71007.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:24:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.23] From: "andrew cohen" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] help me!!!!! Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:24:36 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yeah i have been kickin for like 1 monh and i have a syn. suede juice and rod lavers i still can't do my inside stalls the way i would like to i don't delay them when kicking then delaying shpu;d i get a sand filled bag to help me. i also am having problems with around the world i can't circle it fast enough to catch it. thanks andrew cohen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 01:02:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14616 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:02:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f146.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12470 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:21:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 94497 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 1999 00:21:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991109002123.94496.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:21:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.23] From: "andrew cohen" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] stretches and more help me!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:21:22 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey wut up everytime i start kickin (cause i am not to the stage of shreding) my groin starts to hurt so bad i can't continue what are some stretches i could do. also after kickin for a while my toes start to hurt bad i have the regular insoles in my lavers too should i get the sopenco ones. thanks andrew cohen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 02:05:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14700 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:05:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from chaos.Vivid.com (chaos.vivid.com [207.105.222.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16341 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:02:09 -0800 Received: from vivid.com (gwvivid2.platinum.com [207.105.222.53]) by chaos.Vivid.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14736 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:07:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382772CF.51DC2676@vivid.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:03:27 -0700 From: Ethan Klein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle Subject: [freestyle] creamy shredding goodness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org freestyle enthusiasts, in my experiences, some days you feel the groove from the very first kick of the sesh... and some days you just can't get it together, can't actualize that which you know is possible. yesterday i was lucky enough to feel the warm juicy flow greasing and enabling my movements. I felt sparks of that ever elusive, "I know i can hit it, therefor i can hit it" mentality that many of the top players inculcate. I saw myself STALLING the whirling swirl instead of just blindly whipping it back up.... it happened.... I KNEW that i was going to hit my weak (BITCHY) side barrage just before I set it and it happened. to me its all about those two or three juggles during the session where you hit a few big moves early and then all of a sudden find yourself in hover mode, levitating slightly above the ground, energy flowing out thanks to hardened, resolute mental/physical patterns... letting it go but keeping it tight.... finding the balance between focussed mental direction and uninhibited, creative looseness. it's SOOO elusive but soooo satisfying when you get a little taste of the upper reaches of your personal potential. Mmmmmm.... i have it on the tip of my tongue right now after the session yesterday.... i can't stop thinking about certain isolated moves... they just keep replaying in my mind's eye. nice.... it also helps to have Ironman, Tsunami, Carol, Huge and the the Tiznorch in your circle.... you guys are the proverbial "shizniat!" -- |!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!| Ethan Louis Klein vivid studios ethan@vivid.com |!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!| The way I look at it is like being a filter. the music exists in the universe, and if you're lucky enough or strong enough to get your ego out of the way, the music comes through you. -Trey From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 02:25:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14735 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:25:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17337 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:35:54 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19845 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:35:54 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16971; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:35:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:35:51 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: [freestyle] smog? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is smog a stepping dlo or pixie dlo (or something else) ? -thephil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 02:28:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14748 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:28:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14745 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:28:16 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17621 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:43:03 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06163 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:42:32 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911091021.CAA14722@list.footbag.org> References: <199911091021.CAA14722@list.footbag.org> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:43:45 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Re: smog? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Phil Summers wrote: >Is smog a stepping dlo or pixie dlo (or something else) ? Nothing personal, but how lazy can you folks be? Derric and I and many others have poured our blood, sweat, and tears into the online resource that is supposed to accompany this e-mail discussion list. If you don't use it, you are basically slapping us in the face. :-( When you want to ask a question like this, please please please please PLEASE first go to: http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ And *type the name of the move into the search box*!!!!! Try it, you'll be AMAZED. Just type "smog" in and see what happens. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 03:17:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14795 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 03:17:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18978 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:25:36 -0800 Received: from rob (dialup-209.245.143.160.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.245.143.160]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01685; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:25:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005601bf2a61$cca62ca0$a08ff5d1@rob> From: "Robert Mosley" To: "Ethan Klein" , Subject: Re: [freestyle] creamy shredding goodness Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:23:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ethan wrote- >nice.... I enjoyed reading your poetic words of motivation. Too bad I missed yesterday's session, it sounds like it was downright SIK. Although I am only beginning to study the way of the footbag, I too have felt the inner peace and harmony when I get in my groove...when one's thoughts evolve from those of timing the delays and dexterities to the more basal levels of shapes, textures, and opportunities. And nothing is more inspiring than the brilliance of success, emanating from within and radiating across our brothers and sisters in the circle, motivating each of them to deliver their own personal best. Kick on- Rob. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 07:20:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15310 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:20:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26356 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:25:56 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-63.209.89.143.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [63.209.89.143]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13917 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:25:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001601bf2a83$89e2fca0$8f59d13f@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] Heel Hopover and OTHER COOL STUFF Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:24:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys I just hit a new move. I was wondering if it is new for me or new for everyone. I did look it up on the freestyle.org moves list but I didn't see anything. Thanks for your help. basically to get it onto my heel I do an inside stall then a really low set onto my heel. my toe is pointing down at the ground. then I do a hop over I don't know how to do the jobs for a hop over since its not on footbag.org I have yet to try a heel eclipse but I think its possible :c) I think it should be 4 ads. [bod] [xbd] [del] also why is a hop over worth the same as a walk over.. that's a gyp .a hop over should be worth 3.. you are jumping [BOD] and it stays on your foot [DEL] in cross body position [XBD].. the move list only says its worth 2.. I HOPE that's a mistake otherwise Eric Wulff is gonna have to kick some butt! in fact.. lets give the hop over a dexterity add too cause you are going over the bag. its almost a full circle. very comparible to pixies or leg overs. and as long as im enshrining hop over.. give it a symposium add because your support leg is the dex leg :c) so now hop over is 5 adds [BOD] [DEX] [SYMP] [XBD] [DEL] hehe that last paragraph was a joke !! MAYBE!! anyway dont forget to respond about my heel hop over and then rip me up about the regular hop over.. THANKS GUYS.. my name's Sam and I'm 16 Eric Eric Eric Eric Eric Steve Sunil Ethan Eric Carol :c) Eric Eric Eric Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 01:49:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16177 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:49:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03212 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:51:57 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01817 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:51:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21660; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:51:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:51:55 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: [freestyle] toe blur To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was practicing toe blurs today (hit it only half a dozen times) For those of you who can do this or any other quantum moves: In the first dex, do you find it easier to pass your knee over the bag or to kick your leg high and pass your ankle over the bag? -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 03:16:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16416 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:16:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dalss43.dfw (dalss43.fido3.saraide.com [205.246.174.43] (may be forged)) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07315 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:26:10 -0800 Received: from dalss43 (dalin42 [205.246.174.42]) by dalss43.dfw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14622 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:25:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911100325.VAA14622@dalss43.dfw> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:21:56 -0600 From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002838, 70000011 Subject: [freestyle] Pixie eggbeater? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello shredders! Has anyone ever hit pixie eggbeater? I didn't find it on the list but I'm sure somebody can hit this (I'll try it this week). Does anyone ever tried a pixie set but from an outside delay instead of a toe delay. Fairy sets from an inside delay? I'm sure these would look good and can be hit. -Yacine From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 03:45:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16515 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:45:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07780 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:40:53 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zXUYQMLwJ_ (4185) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:40:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bbbf7034.255a4321@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:40:17 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie eggbeater? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Yacine, I just tried that pixie eggbeater and hit it numerous times. I like this move WAY better than smog coz it feels much more awesome! hehe. Anyways thanks for the move suggestion. I"ll see if I can hit it weakside. Thanks Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 05:38:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16833 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:38:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f248.hotmail.com [216.32.181.248]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09285 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:53:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 42099 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1999 04:52:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19991110045259.42098.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.113.167 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:52:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.167.113.167] From: "Ryan Britt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] stretches and more help me!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:52:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >my groin starts to hurt so bad i can't continue what are some >stretches i could do. Man, I totally know what you're going through. When I first started doing legovers, I messed up my groin on both sides. Since you're a beginner, your body isn't used to doing all these crazy, quick jerky leg motions, so you'll likely mess up your legs. One stretch that works well for me is this: I think it's called a "butterfly" stretch but I'm not sure. Anyway you sit on the ground, and put the soles of your feet against each other. This should lift your knees off the ground a little bit. Then you lean forward and kinda push down on your knees. I usually hold it for a count of 20 or so. I'm sure there are many other beneficial stretches, but that's the one I use. Oh yeah, most important: If you feel pain, STOP. It's far better to lay off for a few days than to continue shredding in pain (the pain will make you play bad anyway, so it's not worth it). >also after kickin for a while my toes start to hurt bad i have the >regular >insoles in my lavers too should i get the sopenco ones. Absolutely. The insole that the Laver has is just terrible. I had the same foot pain, but after I got the Spenco insoles, my feet stopped hurting completely. Also, on the subject of pain, you should definately consider wearing something to support the... ahem... genitalia. If you're just doing basic kicks, you'll be alright, but serious shredding involves a whole lot of jumping and bouncing around. Believe me, an hour of that will really hurt you if you aren't "supported". (Ouch, ouch ouch!) Boxers are a no no since you are much too.. uh... "free". Okay I'm going to stop talking about this before I offend any ladies. =) One more important safety measure. When kicking, make sure you drink plenty of water. Yes I said WATER, lots of it. Not Gatorade or mountain dew or anything like that. Not drinking water can cause serious problems. Freestyle is an awesome sport, but if you don't take the right precautions, you will be hurting. Hope this helps make your shreds pain free. - Ryan Britt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 05:38:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16838 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:38:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09339 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:55:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 38289 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1999 04:54:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19991110045445.38288.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:54:45 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie eggbeater? Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 23:54:45 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi shredders, Yacine inquired: > >Does anyone ever tried a pixie set but from an outside delay instead of a >toe >delay. Yes, I've hit pixie butterfly using this set. The real issue is guiltlessly getting to an outside stall in midstring. As for pixie eggbeater, I am pretty sure Sunil, Josh Childs, and Matt Avery have hit this, and I bet some of the shredders down under have too. Good stuff. Ceiling Fan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 07:25:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16926 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:25:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11338 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:32:26 -0800 Received: from swarthmore.edu (d117.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.117]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with ESMTP id CAA06041; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:32:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38291FA1.20086926@swarthmore.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:32:49 -0500 From: Tony Carter-Piff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] sandbag... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm about to order a sandbag from wfa. The Mestas, Carol Wedemeyer(sp) and Jane Jones bags seem to be the general favorites of the discussion group, correct? I realize this subject was just recently discussed, so I won't ask for advice. But: Online, the catalog has titles for the various bags "Mr. Sandbag," "Sandblaster," etc. and the creator isn't mentioned. So, what are the Mestas, Wedemeyer, and Jane Jones bags' names? tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 08:23:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17003 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:23:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (titan.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11931 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:19:24 -0800 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA4796; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:19:21 -0800 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: "andrew cohen" , Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] stretches and more help me!!!!!!! X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:19:21 -0800 Message-ID: <77280360781.AAA4796@mail.csuchico.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Andrew, I just recently had somewhat of the same problem. Sometimes when I kick for a long period of time, my hip flexors (same area pretty much) tighten up and it starts to click. Unfortunately, this means that the tendons in that area are rubbing across the bone/joint the wrong way and could cause some major problems later in life. The best thing to do unfortunately is to lay off for a while so it can heal properly. Ice and heat to the area helps it to mend faster and like you said stretching is always important. Massaging the quadriceps and hip area will also increase your chance of healing faster. The stretch that I like to do is get down on one knee (the injured side) and place the other leg in front of you so that the knee is bent at 90 degrees. Now lean forward so that the the hips separate more(like you doing the splits). Hopefully that didn't completely confuse you. If it did I'll try and explain it later. Good luck and I hope you heal quickly. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 15:31:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17263 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:31:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Nageylum@aol.com Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26719 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:41:55 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id iAWV0BAoZc (4426); Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:40:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.77eedeb4.255ab3bf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:40:47 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie eggbeater? To: footbug@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/9/1999 9:53:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, footbug@hotmail.com writes: > As for pixie eggbeater, I am > pretty sure Sunil, Josh Childs, and Matt Avery have hit this, and I bet some > of the shredders down under have too. i would like to say i have but never consistantly and only sealed in to and out of once. i assume everyone else mentioned has though. My name is Josh Childs and i ride the small bus to school. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 15:31:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17264 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:31:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28937 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:07:34 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991110130719.CYHH12864.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:07:19 -0800 Message-ID: <38296E0F.2D16FA4C@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:07:27 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Carter-Piff CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sandbag... References: <38291FA1.20086926@swarthmore.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mestas uses crushed panne, so all of those are his. You can only get Carol bags from Carol (in person at a major tournament). About Jane's bags, I don't know how you can get one of those. Let me know if you find out. -Derric Tony Carter-Piff wrote: > > I'm about to order a sandbag from wfa. The Mestas, Carol Wedemeyer(sp) > and Jane Jones bags seem to be the general favorites of the discussion > group, correct? I realize this subject was just recently discussed, so > I won't ask for advice. But: Online, the catalog has titles for the > various bags "Mr. Sandbag," "Sandblaster," etc. and the creator isn't > mentioned. So, what are the Mestas, Wedemeyer, and Jane Jones bags' > names? > > tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 15:31:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17265 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:31:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tony Glick Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zNWWtqXQW_ (4332) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:33:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5706c141.255adc42@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:33:38 EST Subject: [freestyle] Whirling Swirl To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 17 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Like Steve asked I went to the move list first for tips on whirling swirl, but there aren't any there yet. I need tips! If you have any, don't spam the list....email ME back or post them on footbag.org. I would really appreciate it. Thanks! Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 15:31:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17250 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:31:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 81028 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1999 11:32:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19991110113247.81027.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 202.128.10.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:32:46 PST X-Originating-IP: [202.128.10.36] From: "Del Centeno" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] WHAT IS THE best bag and shoe? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:32:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well my question is that which is the best footbag........ I mean i can almost do all the tricks that was in the video in "tricks of the traid" I live in Guam so their is very limeted sources to buy footbags i have lots of home made one and i have alot of this useless brand called hackysack you cant stall it and if you can you must be realy good. I can do all the basic stalls and mosly all the 2-add move but combos are hard and i just wanna ask what is the best bag to order from the footmart. i dont have rod lavers but I do have champ fleice all the kids want to buy it but they cant because i got it from the states. are these good shoes too my freind has the laver and i am much better. is facile juice a good bag because if it aint i realy will go kronic i have just spent 29.50 for one so please tell me which one would make you have more control andwould have greater hang time so that i can finaly get that double mirage. Kronic-feet From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 21:45:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17945 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:45:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f197.hotmail.com [209.185.130.107]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03607 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 13367 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1999 17:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991110174416.13366.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.244.108.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.244.108.234] From: "Jaxon Stewart" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] b.c. shredders Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Me again and another stupid question to ask. I went to the search thing and typed infinity and nothing popped up but a couple of people jumping around on a trampolene can somebody explain what an infinity move is? and maybe even give me some jobs. One more question are there any shredders from b.c the footbag e-mail list? i cant wait till 2000. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 21:45:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17950 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:45:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06882 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:12:31 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zCTBa20565 (4590) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:12:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8906d4e8.255b2ba0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:12:16 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] creamy shredding goodness To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The best is when you start a string with no intent of doing any certain moves, and you rip off 10+ contacts (that's good for me) without thinking about it. The moves just flow together. Awesome. My name is Owen Parrish and i'm the Total Package... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 21:45:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17955 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:45:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06953 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:16:14 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zXPPa18106 (4590) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:15:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b8202cb9.255b2c6a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:15:38 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie eggbeater? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I can do a pixi set form the outside, never tried fairy from inside. Awesome. My name is Owen Parrish and I'm the Total Package... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 21:45:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17960 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:45:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f84.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07920 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:54:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 72703 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1999 20:53:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19991110205328.72702.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.253 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:53:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.253] From: "tom labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The new hack shoe. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:53:28 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For anyone that needs some new hack-shoes. I recently went to Foot Locker in search of Lavers' and they did not have them. So in frustration, I searched the store in hopes of finding a shoe that would equal the perfectness of the Lavers. I FOUND THEM. They are called the ADIDAS-Ilie Nastase. They match the Lavers in almost all ways. Easily modifiable toe box. Very flat out and insides. Light weight. Great padding. Very sensitive. These shoes were made for footbag. If anyone needs hack shoes, these are perfect, I'm serious. The only thing that amazes me more than the shoe is the fact that noone has heard about them, or wrote about them on this site!!!!!!!!!! Look into them when buying shoes. You'll thank me......... Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:50:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18292 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:50:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12167; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:09:40 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FL000B018C1SK@clem.mscd.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:09:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:09:37 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Heel Hopover In-reply-to: <001601bf2a83$89e2fca0$8f59d13f@Sam> To: Sam Colclough Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Daryl Genz hit's this move in his routines or during slow time in circles. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:51:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18297 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13817 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:08:27 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA514 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:08:25 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie eggbeater? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:08:26 -0800 Message-ID: <003001bf2bd8$e237c7e0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ceiling fan.. >Yes, I've hit pixie butterfly using this set. The real issue is guiltlessly >getting to an outside stall in midstring. the real issue is what!...? me confused.. :) this from the man who says adds mean CRAP.. NADA.. ZIP..!? :) love ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:56:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18323 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:56:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12917 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:33:44 -0800 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10849 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:34:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911102334.SAA10849@admin.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:33:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] The new hack shoe. From: "Neil Bearse" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >called the ADIDAS-Ilie Nastase. >The only thing that amazes me more than the shoe is the fact that noone has >heard about them, or wrote about them on this site!!!!!!!!!! The finnish guys were wearing them this year.... people were discussing them a few months back..... are they the new 'millenium' nastase's? are they leather or are mesh? if theyre mesh.. then i'll thank you :) Just got my new Facile juice..... cant wait to kick... too sore from basketball practice Neil Bearse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:57:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18336 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:57:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12804 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:31:11 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FL000K019BX7S@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:31:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:31:09 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] The new hack shoe. In-reply-to: <19991110205328.72702.qmail@hotmail.com> To: tom labeff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, tom labeff wrote: > The only thing that amazes me more than the shoe is the fact that noone has > heard about them, or wrote about them on this site!!!!!!!!!! Actually they have been written about several times, but most people are pretty set on Lavers or Tevas. I saw someone wearing a pair at worlds I believe, and you're right they look really sweet. Almost exactly like Lavers. I've tried looking in stores for them, but they never have them. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:57:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18346 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:57:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12521 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:20:26 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FL000L018U17M@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:20:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:20:25 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] sandbag... In-reply-to: <38291FA1.20086926@swarthmore.edu> To: Tony Carter-Piff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Tony Carter-Piff wrote: > various bags "Mr. Sandbag," "Sandblaster," etc. and the creator isn't > mentioned. So, what are the Mestas Paul Mestas' nickname is Mr. Sandman, I don't know about him calling a bag "Mr. Sandbag" and "Sandblaster" is the name of one of his bags. He has a lot of really cool sandbags these says. I would suggest against the "crushed penne" material though because it is really slippery on Lavers and other nylon shoes. He is also now using another material called "Doe Suede" and it is totally sweet. I don't know the name, but he has a twenty panel triangle pattern bag that is one of the best sand bags I've ever kicked with. If you mail me back I can let you know how to get in touch with him. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:59:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18368 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:59:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13901 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:12:39 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA526 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:12:36 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] sandbag... Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:12:39 -0800 Message-ID: <003101bf2bd9$77bc7400$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >You can only get Carol bags from Carol (in person at a major tournament). I beg to differ... simply call 415-681-5729 and you can speak to her yourself. Or at least leave a message. thanx e&c w&w From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 04:33:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20645 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:33:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA30087 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:16:30 -0800 Message-ID: <19991111101625.4078.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.101.51.179] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:16:25 PST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:16:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Long Subject: Re: [freestyle] Guiltless, Flips? To: freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, What does guiltlessly mean? I hear it mentioned every so often but have no idea what it means. The > real issue is > guiltlessly > >getting to an outside stall in midstring. > Also, this may seem a strange question, but I was wondering if anyone has hit a backflip or foreward flip in a move. toe> backflip> clip ...perhaps That would be so sick! Michael Longano From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 04:33:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20650 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:33:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ns1.ops.org (ns1.ops.org [204.26.70.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11641 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:36:16 -0800 Received: from ops.org (ops.ops.org [204.26.70.3]) by ns1.ops.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA30247; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by ops.org; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jul97-0529PM) id AA06096; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:05 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Troxel To: Eric Wulff Cc: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] when to freestyle? In-Reply-To: <000701bf266d$042fde80$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org something that the chicken man brought up when he was at a concert? and just joined a circle and kicked for "hacks". when do you know when to freestyle and when should you just kick. sean wingert and i have been to many events (concerts, taste of omaha or other similar big events) where the opportunity to kick and meet new people are almost a certain. yet if we are jamming-sean doing rallies with 3 and 4 add moves and myself doing 2 and 3 adders--people seem to avoid kicking with us and will often goes and kick else where. we even ask them if they would like to join us and often 1 or 2 might say yes but it seems like many more do not. is this a problem for others as well. it is great to just kick for hack (old school flavor) but it is also nice to show off all of your hard work and practice. how do you go about doing this with out alienating those that could benefit AND contribute to our sport and help it grow? TEAM TROX From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 04:33:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20655 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:33:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (web119.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14887 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:28:56 -0800 Message-ID: <19991111172848.2182.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [12.79.29.56] by web119.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:28:48 PST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Lane Subject: [freestyle] butterfly To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok, not to sound too mad, but i am. i asked for some help on the butterfly here, and i haev already looked at every tutor site available, and found not a single shred of decent advice. someone at footbag.org decided to write a tip on it, but just said that it aws exactly liek the clipper. sorry but i can hit the clipper more than 9 times out of 10, and yet i cant even come close to a butterfly. i knwo theres no miracle pill out there that will make me hit this when i wake up one day, but if someone could just help me out with like, hwo high to set it, where to set it from, ways to practice, or something. because i can hit the butterfly kick, and a clipper, and i have neevr come close to hitting the butterfly. so if one of you hackmasters out there could help me out, that would be greatly appreciated. thanks. SL p.s.-does anyone on this list have aol instant messenger???if so, whats your sn? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 04:34:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20660 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:34:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f198.hotmail.com [216.32.181.198]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18928 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:10:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 39697 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1999 20:09:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19991111200940.39696.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:09:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Heel Hopover Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:09:38 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Someone wrote about a week ago or so that they hit a heel hop-over (sorry, mysterious kicker, I can't remember your name). I tried it and hit first time around. Yessss! Quite a cool move. Peace, Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer DFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 04:34:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20665 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:34:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26048 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:59:48 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.77fbe74f (4593) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:59:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.77fbe74f.255cc061@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:59:13 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple dex combos To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys, Lynton wrote: Hi shredders- >I was just curious, has anyone ever hit 3 consec triple dexterity moves, if so what?? Then I wrote >I've never seen anyone do it. I've gotten 2 consec triple dexes: 2 smogs, but thats as close as I'll ever get. Now I have(hehe). I just hit 3 consec smogs...so thats 3 consec triple dex moves. But i did it barefoot..does that count? Thanks Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 05:00:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20751 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:00:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31198 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:05:02 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id zVMR_.rnP_ (4592) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:03:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.be09285.255cf987@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:03:03 EST Subject: [freestyle] triple around the world baby! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I was in the mood for triple dexes after hitting those smogs earlier today. So I went for another triple dex move. I ended up hitting a triple around the world!!! The thing is...now my knee clicks (yea..really..it clicks) when I do ATWs. Oh well. It was quite an experience.=) Thanks Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 05:01:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20778 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:01:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31300 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:11:59 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991112051157.IDPZ12864.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:11:57 -0800 Message-ID: <382BA199.A0979373@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:11:53 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Long CC: freestyle Subject: Re: [freestyle] Guiltless, Flips? References: <19991111101625.4078.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Long wrote: > > What does guiltlessly mean? I hear it mentioned every > so often but have no idea what it means. > I'm going to use you as an example, ok? When people get into the sport, there are many terms that are unclear. I'm sure that a dictionary is in the works on footbag.org, but it isn't quite there yet... Wouldn't it be nice to have move components (sets, etc.) in that dictionary. I think it would help, and I know it would help many of the new players. But, I'll get off of that for now. Here are some definitions for the terms you asked about. Hopefully these definitions don't cramp anyone's style... 1 ADD moves are "tilt" 2 ADD moves are "guilt" 3 ADD moves are "trip". So, tiltless is all 2 ADD moves or higher (tiltless - without tilt). Guiltless is all 3 ADD moves or higher (without guilt) And, tripless is all 4 ADD moves or higher (without trip). Terms you might hear: "pass your guilt" - means that in that circle, you pass anything 2 ADDs or less. "tripless combos" - a combination of tripless moves. "sealing a move" - played into and out of the move guiltlessly (or tiltlessly depending on your level of play). Where did these terms come from, who knows? If anyone has the history, please post it. When most of the top players shred, they go guiltless. So, about that earlier post, getting to an outside stall with a three ADD move is hard (unless you do a pdx mirage to outside :) ) It is important to note that ALL good players went through a long phase of tiltless kicking before moving on to guiltless playing. In fact, the players that were tiltless the longest have a very solid game now (look at Kenny, Rippin, Eric, Tuan, etc.) Don't push yourself to the guiltless level until you are ready. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 19:56:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21714 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:56:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31353 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:15:12 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991112051510.IEVH12864.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:15:10 -0800 Message-ID: <382BA25B.299F9FB8@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:15:07 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Lane CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly References: <19991111172848.2182.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sean Lane wrote: > > i asked for some help > on the butterfly here, and i haev already looked at > every tutor site available, and found not a single > shred of decent advice. someone at footbag.org decided > to write a tip on it, but just said that it aws > exactly liek the clipper. Yes. > sorry but i can hit the > clipper more than 9 times out of 10, and yet i cant > even come close to a butterfly. You are making it to hard. With a clipper, your knee stays on the inside of the bag. With a butterfly, the only difference is that you "open" your hips - bring your knee out and over the bag. Once you get that hip motion to bring your knee out, all that you need to do is end the move on a clipper delay. Don't think about the dexterity. Think only about the delay. It might take a day or so to get your balance, but when you do, you'll see that a butterfly isn't any harder than a clipper. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 19:57:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21731 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:57:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f52.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.52]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA22711 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:56:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 3923 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1999 14:56:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19991112145605.3922.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.22.170.180 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:56:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.22.170.180] From: "Zeke ibardaloza" To: rtroxel@ops.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] when to freestyle? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:56:05 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Ryan Troxel >when do you know when to freestyle and when should you just kick. >sean >wingert and i have been to many events (concerts, taste of omaha >or other >similar big events) where the opportunity to kick and meet >new people are >almost a certain. yet if we are jamming people seem >to avoid kicking with >us and will often goes and kick else where. we >even ask them if they >would like to join us and often 1 or 2 might >say yes but it seems like >many more do not. is this a problem for >others as well. it is great to >just kick for hack (old school >flavor) but it is also nice to show off all >of your hard work and >practice. how do you go about doing this with out >alienating those >that could benefit AND contribute to our sport and help >it grow? W'sup, I encounter this problem as well. The guys and I go out to all the major festivals and we find lots of "hacker" circles. When we play with them they tend to get the imppression that we're just showing them up and being show offs. They end up trickling out one by one. This happens to practically every circle we encounter. The Enlightener, when I first kicked with him at one of the music festivals said, "I'm here to inspire, not intimidate." He had the same problem too. I find that starting slow and just hacking then doing a few tricks here and there lets you play a little longer with them. What I dont understand is how any one can find what shredders do intimidating. I had asked one guy, who I noticed had been watching us shred for some time, if he wanted to come in and kick with us. To which he replied, " No, I just kick for fun." What the...? What are we now, Hac-Nazi's? I like going around and exposing our wonderfull sport but stuff like this is just frustrating. I dont know, maybe I've just got the wrong approach to this. Later, ZEKE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 19:57:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21736 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:57:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailback.cns.ksu.edu (root@groan.cns.ksu.edu [129.130.12.23]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23476 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:37:10 -0800 Received: from unix1 (jlw3368@unix1.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.12.3]) by mailback.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/mailback+tar) with SMTP id JAA22666; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:36:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by unix1 (SMI-8.6/1.34) id JAA25613; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:36:59 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:36:59 -0600 (CST) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@unix1.cc.ksu.edu To: Mike Long cc: freestyle Subject: Re: [freestyle] Guiltless, Flips? In-Reply-To: <19991111101625.4078.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Mike Long wrote: > Also, this may seem a strange question, but I was > wondering if anyone has hit a backflip or foreward > flip in a move. > > toe> backflip> clip ...perhaps > > That would be so sick! > > Michael Longano > Yes! I used to play "hack" years ago with a friend that would serve the bag with a backflip - it was more of a novelty than anything. Although, I've never actually seen it put into a string of moves, yet... james From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 19:56:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21712 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:56:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f12.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32397 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:44:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 8384 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1999 06:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991112064416.8383.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:44:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, thek_1@yahoo.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Guiltless, Flips? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:44:15 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, Derric wrote: > >So, tiltless is all 2 ADD moves or higher (tiltless - without tilt). >Guiltless is all 3 ADD moves or higher (without guilt) >And, tripless is all 4 ADD moves or higher (without trip). >"sealing a move" - played into and out of the move guiltlessly (or >tiltlessly depending on your level of play). > >Where did these terms come from, who knows? If anyone has the history, >please post it. OK, I'm pretty sure the concept of "guilt" initially had nothing to do with adds. Guilt was anytime a shredder missed an intended move, and did something easier. This eventually applied to moves under three adds, cause Rippin' proposed that the Big Add Posse really push the envelope of the sport so it would get more respect, which meant only doing moves which are three adds or higher. There is one part on Sultans of Shred where Lon Smith hits a paradon, and then it is obvious he wants to do a barfly, but he turns it into a butterfly cause the set wasn't just right. Then he goes on to hit barfly- barfly later in the run. Even though the butterfly is 3 adds, i think under the original definition of guilt, it would be a guilt. (PS- I'm just using this as an example, I think Lon has skiznalls up the wazoo). As for sealing, all that implies is that the move you just hit was controlled, and that you can show your control. I've seen Ryan Mulroney hit Blurry whirl-blurry whirl-pdx torque-ps whirl-mobius-pdx blender, and then do a very relaxed hand catch. The pdx blender was sealed, because it's obvious he had enough control to do something else afterwards. All the move demonstrations on footbag.org are sealed, even though they end with a hand catch and not a three add move or higher. I'm a big sealing fan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 19:56:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21721 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:56:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.111]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA17733 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:57:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 34176 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1999 11:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19991112115706.34175.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.35.17.13 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:57:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.35.17.13] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:57:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A slightly grumpy Sean Lane wrote: >ok, >not to sound too mad, but i am. i asked for some help >on the butterfly here, and i haev already looked at >every tutor site available, and found not a single >shred of decent advice. Or perhaps not all. On my sadly neglected (and infrequently updated) site http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS under freestyle help you will indeed find advice on hitting butterfly plus many other moves. Or for the lazy go directly here: http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/NemesisDS/tutorials.butterfly.html Secret plans are in the work for my own URL and some other services to fill in some gaps left by THE site www.footbag.org slightly hampered by studying fulltime and working 20+ hours a week, but not that anyone asked or cares. But as Steve said what is an obsesion if not a way to spend time you don't have. So I'll make an offer, any of you new players, have a question about hitting a move and getting tired of the often grumpy replys from the list? If it's 5 adds or under I can probably hit it and I'm willing to answer any questions I get in gory detail. Keep shreding everyone. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 19:56:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21726 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:56:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f151.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.151]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA22642 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:49:25 -0800 Received: (qmail 41155 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1999 14:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991112144831.41154.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:48:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:48:31 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Sean Lane not to sound too mad, but i am. Forgive me, but I have always thought this was an amusing statement. Why say "not to..." when immediately afterward you negate the previous phrase. It is like you are cushioning the fact you are disappointed. If you are bothered, you can say so directly, noone will get mad--I promise. >i knwo theres no >miracle pill out there that will make me hit this when >i wake up one day, Sure there is. We all have it, but unless you know the secret handshake, you are out of luck. :) >but if someone could just help me >out with like, hwo high to set it, where to set it >from, ways to practice,... Not to push this off on someone else, but I am. :) Derrick Scalf can help everyone. I REALLY recommend one of his TUTORIALS(if there is one on www.dallasfootbag.org), but if one does not exist (or you already tried it to no avail), I would wait until you see him post (as he does almost daily), email him personally, and hit him up for some personal advice. Actually, I bet Derric has already replied to this message; if not, he will soon... I would give you some tips myself, but I am, seriously, a poor teacher. I tend to think people move the same way as I do, and I get frustrated when they don't. >if so, whats your sn? Virgo. And yours?? Later, Ian D. MizzoU Footbag Fanatics (MUFF for short...) PS I do have one bit of advice, though crappy it might be. If you can hit clippers religously on both sides back and forth(meaning l clip> r Clip< l clip> r clip> etc.), get this pattern going with a good rhythm(you should 'feel' it) and just step over one before you catch it on a clipper. I know that sounds remedial, but that is how I learned. Example: r clp, l clp, r clp, l clp, r btrfly, l clp, r clp, l clp, r clp, l btrfly... Sorry, if I was of no help... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 19:56:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21716 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:56:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32737 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:23:48 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA00394 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:22:54 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <002101bf2cde$783a1ee0$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] when to freestyle? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >problem for others as well. it is great to just kick for hack (old school >flavor) but it is also nice to show off all of your hard work and >practice. how do you go about doing this with out alienating those that >could benefit AND contribute to our sport and help it grow? That's simple. Skool your unusuals, flyers, and kick moves when in the company of people who want to kick. What a great opportunity to round out your skills. People who don't freestyle are not going to feel like watching you "hog" the bag (especially if you DROP it). Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 20:09:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21815 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:09:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21812 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:09:16 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29758 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:23:50 -0800 Received: from [206.66.71.17] (ppp-206-66-71-57 [206.66.71.57]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14934 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:23:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991111172848.2182.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> References: <19991111172848.2182.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:24:24 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:28 AM -0800 11/11/99, Sean Lane wrote: >not to sound too mad, but i am. i asked for some help >on the butterfly here, and i haev already looked at >every tutor site available, and found not a single >shred of decent advice. someone at footbag.org decided >to write a tip on it, but just said that it aws >exactly liek the clipper. But that same "someone" (yours truly) also said that it was *almost impossible* to learn freestyle from the internet. (That chincy mark-up language called HTML, and those cheezy little demo videos, and that barely functional move list, and the noisy-as-hell freestyle list are just not ever going to cut it.) If you want to learn freestyle, I mean really learn it, you need to find players near you to teach you (if you live in my area, come to my regular sessions at Stanford, or check the club list for a club near you). If you're not near other players, go to a tournament near you (though you will have to wait 'cause the season is basically over, though small events will be popping up all throughout the winter in various areas -- and you're on the right e-mail list to find out about them). Also, you caught me in a work in progress. The butterfly instructions that I wrote also say to read my comments on clipper. But I don't think I've written those yet. So what I meant was they are identical to the concepts I write in clipper, so when I write them, you'll know what I meant. :-) The main point of my building this freestyle e-mail discussion list is to build a virtual community that can come together in the physical realm with more ease than if it otherwise didn't exist in the virtual domain. So, use the connections you're making through this list to build relationships with people who can mentor you in the real world, and you will see what I mean. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 20:11:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21827 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:11:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23710 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:43:37 -0800 Received: from storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id E21A52CE02; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA28356; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:43:36 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAh0JOMzgHTHfkh1cpIOo7DVfCCNICFQCx2hqIntF2GfjC4F/593sMezsI7w== From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:43:36 -0500 (EST) To: rtroxel@ops.org (Ryan Troxel) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] when to freestyle? Message-ID: <22129-382C35A8-3897@storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Ryan Troxel 's message of Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:05 -0600 (CST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan wrote: >when do you know when to freestyle and >when should you just kick This is a "tricky question" ; ) I feel it is very important to expose people to the tricks that can be done with a footbag. Of course you want to encourage rather than discourage or intimidate people. If I am coming into an existing circle, I usually plan on not to "overwhelm" them right away. If I am starting the circle I might stick with the "easy" or "showy" stuff ( I aspire to not care about adds ). You can usually "feel out" a crowd and know what they are into. Do your best to represent and give people a positive look at footbag freestyle. GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 20:14:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21849 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f92.hotmail.com [216.32.181.92]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23838 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:47:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 91705 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1999 15:46:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19991112154654.91704.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:46:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] when to freestyle? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:46:54 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i don't know.. i was a little intimidated by Josh Penney and Ken Somolinos and all those other great nyfa guys cuz all i could do was try to keep the bag in the air and toe-stall once in a while. but i got over that. i guess in nyc life's a little different. my friends and i have no problem joining any kicking or skoolin' circle and when we kick around and some of us even skool we always invite those staring folks. as long as you're friendly and smile most people won't refuse to try to kick the bag if they're interested. but like i said, new york is unique. keep'on'kickin -Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 20:14:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21860 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23980 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:53:35 -0800 Received: from storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BEF5F7B; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA28709; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApdkaSWS1vc2lwUtgFCM46htVMuQCFFwIVkU2IYGG7Gd2PEkKN4mF97V9 From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:53:31 -0500 (EST) To: derric@dallasfootbag.org (Derric Scalf) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Guiltless, Flips? Message-ID: <22128-382C37FB-5962@storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Derric Scalf 's message of Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:11:53 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric wrote: >So, about that earlier post, getting to an >outside stall with a three ADD move is >hard (unless you do a pdx mirage to >outside :) I like a spinning atw outside, but adds are pretty shaky these days : ) GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 20:14:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21870 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24147 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:02:53 -0800 Received: (qmail 72695 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1999 16:02:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19991112160218.72694.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.162.88 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:02:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.162.88] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:02:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >ok, >not to sound too mad, but i am. i asked for some help >on the butterfly here, and i haev already looked at >every tutor site available, and found not a single >shred of decent advice. My advice is get some video. They're all very good -- whether its from Eli (ezshredz@yahoo.com), the Vus (tuhuge@sfsu.edu), Sean Wingert (swingert@creighton.edu), and others. Get some dough, buy some vid, and sit on the slo-mo/rewind buttons. You can have Rippin' Rick Reese giving you a private butterfly lesson in your living room. DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 20:14:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21880 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2002.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.202]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27148 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:24:20 -0800 Message-ID: <19991112182415.27293.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.217] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:24:15 PST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Some of you asked for the rules of the shred contest (everyone, please read): There will be two rounds- sat. and sun.; your best score is your score. Judging will be done by video review and only judged technically. The top three places in the pro category will be awarded prize money. THe top three intermediates will be awarded (non-shwag) prizes. Entry fees: pro- $25 ; interm- $15. The breakdown: You get 45 seconds to bust the most adds with creativity and variety playing a big part. Total score = adds + (add ratio x uniques). Uniques are only 3 adds and higher for pro, 2 adds and higher for intermaediate. If you do a one or two add trick (for example, starting with a toe or clipper), it will affect your add ratio (bad) and add total (good). A dropped trick does not affect your add ratio. Drops and kicks penalize you by reducing your time, nothing else. We were talking about awarding some kind of bonus points for going dropless, but it's undetermined at this point. To make this event interesting, you may not plan your succession of tricks. Dave and I were discussing why one should or should not be able to plan out one's string and he simply explained, "If we were all planning strings for the shred contest, it wouldn't really be freestyle." I can't say it better myself. If you do the same string both rounds it will be obvious. This is open for discussion, as it will better the future of shred contests. For our tournament though the "freestyle" aspect applies. I encourage discussion on the rules mentioned; it will help us iron out things, so that we may be able to have the shred contest added to the IFAB rule book, and therefore possibly an official event at World's. Thanks for reading, thanks for shredding. Eli Piltz Boulder Blades p.s. Tsunami was encouraging a "sick combo demo". What do you think? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 20:14:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21890 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27380 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:37:18 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.f5dcef3f (15551) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:36:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f5dcef3f.255db82e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:36:30 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] triple around the world baby! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Triple around the world? god, DAMN, kid... if you're serious about that, you're gettin so good... anyone else hit that? I tried once and really hurt my foot... Go Windsen Matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 13 09:08:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22818 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:08:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01070 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:51:28 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00336 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:50:30 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <006901bf2d60$026ef640$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:48:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >>ok, >>not to sound too mad, but i am. i asked for some help >>on the butterfly here, and i haev already looked at >>every tutor site available, and found not a single >>shred of decent advice. > >My advice is get some video. They're all very good -- whether its from Eli >(ezshredz@yahoo.com), the Vus (tuhuge@sfsu.edu), Sean Wingert >(swingert@creighton.edu), and others. Get some dough, buy some vid, and sit >on the slo-mo/rewind buttons. You can have Rippin' Rick Reese giving you a >private butterfly lesson in your living room. I have to disagree with this. While the shred videos are good, they aren't a good place to go until you are working on more complex moves. Until you develop your skills up to a certain level, your butterfly will NOT look like Eric Wulff's butterfly, and to try to mimic his motion will prove pretty fruitless. You can't get a feel for the ideal set position, body position, and balance when you are watching a player who is doing the butterfly in between a scorpion's tail and a stepping double legover. Having said that, there is one little bit of video that I find serves the purpose of learning very well. That is video of the routines in a competition. The movement tends to be alot more clean, probably because of the fear of drops. I find that the women have great technique to learn from, but maybe it is because they usually aren't pounding in and out of 4's. my 2cents... mind you, I haven't got butterfly yet, so maybe my opinion will change... :) And for those of us who are still trying to learn, by all means post the keys to your success when you DO succeed. Later, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 13 09:09:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22823 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:09:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07274 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:07:22 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28863 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:07:21 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05691; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:07:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:07:19 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Reply-To: Philip Summers Subject: [freestyle] drills To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Lord knows I and many others love to hit big moves and then brag about them :) However, I think long strings of easier moves look a lot better than 1 unsealed, sketchy big-add move. Below, are some drills I recently started practicing every day to improve my linkage. clipper mirage > mirage > butterfly > osis > repeat; infinity > infinity > osis > repeat; osis > osis > infinity > repeat; clipper same legover > pixie same clip > para. mirage > butterfly > repeat; Since I started practicing drills like these, I've improved a lot (longer strings and better execution). I recommend to anyone who doesn't usually practice drills, that you make linkage your #1 priority. Practice the same moves many times in a pattern and only throw big moves after a long tiltless string. If anyone else would like to post other drills that look cool and flow well, I'd love to see them. -thephil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 13 09:08:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22813 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:08:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from chaos.Vivid.com (chaos.vivid.com [207.105.222.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32250 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:55:26 -0800 Received: from vivid.com (gwvivid2.platinum.com [207.105.222.53]) by chaos.Vivid.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05250; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:01:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382C7EF3.4F577BA4@vivid.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:02:20 -0700 From: Ethan Klein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Lee Widman CC: Mike Long , freestyle Subject: [freestyle] Flips in juggles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org this is in response to the thread regarding flips.... i played with a guy in Munich Germany (muscular bald guy hailing from NYC named Winston???). he hit some backflips and cartwheels and some other acrobatic twists and jumps in the middle of his strings. one combo was legover into atw into backflip into toe stall... pretty cool! any of you German players seen him? we played at the English Gardens. . ... i used to try to stall it on the back of my head while doing a handstand... never really got it down though... there definitely exists a wide open expanse of opportunity for new freestyle tricks within the breakdance/acrobatic/gymnastic line of thinking.... matt Churney branches into this area a bit... it might be swanky to do some of the contorted breakdance freazes with the bag stalled in weird places like on the back of an elbow... anyway... later - e |!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!| Ethan Louis Klein vivid studios ethan@vivid.com |!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!| "The way I look at it is like being a filter. the music exists in the universe, and if you're lucky enough or strong enough to get your ego out of the way, the music comes through you." From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 13 09:08:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22808 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:08:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vortex.more.net (vortex.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31023 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:58:42 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10718 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:58:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [freestyle] when to freestyle? Message-Id: <000000666583025285279@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:01:19 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, Nov 12, 1999, 8:56:05 AM US CST Zeke ibardaloza wrote: >time, if he wanted to come in and kick with us. To which he replied, " No, I >just kick for fun." What the...? What are we now, Hac-Nazi's? I like going >around and exposing our wonderfull sport but stuff like this is just Hacker Code Shredder Code ----------- ------------- Serve to anyone Always serve to the left (or right) (often whoever seems to have had the least action recently) Serving yourself is a no-no Serving yourself is OK Try to kick the bag to somone else Try to display complete control of bag Talk about things besides footbag Talk about the moves and difficulty Enjoy the social interaction Enjoy the physical control of bag Drink or Smoke - get high Push yourself - get better Face it, the shredder culture is completely foreign - and often unwelcome - in the hacker culture. Leave them alone. The ones that might make the transition from hacker to shredder will approach you somehow. Learn to notice those. The rest don't care about the 'code' of a shredder circle. Really, always serve to the left, or right? How often have you tried to explain the whole 'code' of circle shredding to someone? The shredder's culture looks like a straighjacket to the average hacker. I like hacking with other people, but circle shredding is an oxymoron. I personally prefer to freestyle by myself; I don't want anyone disturbing what I'm doing. If I'm with kickers that don't know the 'code' of a shred circle, I get the fun of hacking at the bag, serving to whoever I want, and doing truly silly stuff. If you don't like to just hack (the 'code' for that is 2 or 3 kicks and actually trying to get a 'hack' with everyone in the circle before the bag drops) thats fine. Just stick to your shred circles and leave the hackers alone. ______________________________________ Derrick From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 13 19:41:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23471 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:41:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16877 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:28:21 -0800 Received: from CSPW (CS-PW [156.156.156.59]) by symail.syda.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id W4SFT5AJ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01bf2dfc$81f83880$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> To: Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Buttlerfly? Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:28:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The Other day I hit this move and am not sure about one of the elements. TOE > SAME IN (no plant) > OP OUT (to IN) > OP CLIP It is basically Pixie Butterfly but with no plant, so i was wondering if this move gets an extra [BOD] add for the jump (no plant) ? And is so would this new move have a different name? Will Wells Pixie Butterfly TOE > SAME IN [DEX] (plant) > OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL]. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 13 20:06:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23519 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:06:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19244 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:18:42 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.31bc1d8e (4586) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:18:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.31bc1d8e.255f217f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:18:07 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Buttlerfly? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I often have wondered this myself. I do that same move. To my understanding it doesn't really count as pixix butterfly because their is no plant between dexes. My name is Owen Parrish and I'm the Total Package... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 14 10:26:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24973 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:26:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f45.hotmail.com [216.32.181.45]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21709 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:18:16 -0800 Received: (qmail 61044 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1999 16:11:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19991113161104.61043.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:11:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.49] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:11:03 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Having said that, there is one little bit of video that I find serves the >purpose of learning very well. That is video of the routines in a >competition. The movement tends to be alot more clean, probably because of >the fear of drops. I agree. Video of routines doesn't show separate moves, so you see how to go into and out of a move, which i think is very important as well. Putting together a bunch of 2adds in a nice combination (in my opinion) looks a lot better than one barely-hit scorpion's tail or something. >And for those of us who are still trying to learn, by all means post the >keys to your success when you DO succeed. I decided to start kicking in the basement last night at midnight. I'm just at the 2add stage. been practicing mirages, pixies, atw, leg-overs, and working hard on a double-atw. all of these from a toe-set, unfortunately, cuz i just can't get my clipper clean. anyhow, for the first time yesterday i felt what it means to actually 'shred'. Before i was just perfecting single moves. For some reason yesterday, everything was flowing together. The bag landed precisely where it should've, and at the right time. It all just flowed. left mirages into a left pixie into a right mirage and the atws got in between jumping. it was great. now i have a question. i wrote left mirage and left pixie, and i'm not sure that's correct. Does the left/right refer to the setting leg or the dexing leg? Alright, just sharing thoughts. l8rz. -Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 14 10:26:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24978 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:26:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f199.hotmail.com [216.32.181.199]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21770 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:22:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 87922 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1999 16:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19991113161540.87921.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:15:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.49] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] drills Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:15:40 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >If anyone else would like to post other drills that look cool and flow >well, >I'd love to see them. for beginners like myself i try to do: (left refers to the setting leg cuz i just posted my question about left/right 30 seconds ago) right mirage > right pixie > left mirage > left pixie > repeat laters. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 14 10:26:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24968 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:26:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dalss43.dfw (dalss43.fido3.saraide.com [205.246.174.43] (may be forged)) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21388 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:45:38 -0800 Received: from dalss43 (dalin42 [205.246.174.42]) by dalss43.dfw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02437 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:44:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911132244.QAA02437@dalss43.dfw> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:41:10 -0600 From: Yacine Merzouck To: freestyle@footbag.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002838, 70000011 Subject: [freestyle] Superfly... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello! I just wanted to know what a superfly is. Is it a symposium barfly? CLIP>(no plant while)SAME OUT[DEX]>SAME OUT [DEX]>OP CLIP[XBD][DEL] -Yacine From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 14 10:42:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25011 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:42:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25995 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:18:27 -0800 Received: from CSPW (CS-PW [156.156.156.59]) by symail.syda.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id W4SFT61Z; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000901bf2e57$50a3ae80$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> From: Will Wells To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Buttlerfly? Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:18:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Owen Parrish Wrote: >To my understanding it doesn't really count as pixix butterfly because > their is no plant between dexes. Not only is there no plant (Which I find makes the move easier) but the second DEX is more like a hop over. Note to Owen: I know why you like this move now Mr. Total Package. In practicing it I found it was eaiser to set it knee high and keep it "compact" rather then setting waist high and having to jump to do the Dex. If anything I must say that this move does not reflect the add system very well. (The no plant and second dex making the move easier) I am not flaming on the add system just stating what I found for this move. (My first "high add move" that I have hit to date...) Thanks, Hope to you see guys some day... Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 14 21:30:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25743 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:30:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from left (tc2-169.nccn.net [209.79.221.169]) by nccn6.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*tdw* 99.10.14-) with SMTP id MAA17039 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:47:00 -0800 Message-ID: <001701bf2ee1$46f8e820$a9dd4fd1@left> From: "Lon Smith" To: Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #786 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:39:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Everybody. I just got back form Africa and have hit some triple dexes very cleanely in a row. I am this close to hitting a Headsmog!! That would be cool. Later Lon Smith From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 14 21:31:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25749 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:31:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14057 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:11:39 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.873986e0 (3957) for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:11:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.873986e0.25607f67@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:11:03 EST Subject: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just learned a sole delay last night. Pretty slick but, it reaaly hurts my hamstring. Anyways, anyone know any moves, ending or beginning in sole? I tried toe>same out>same sole, alrmost had it. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:33:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28689 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:33:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15630 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:06:17 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:06:01 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234626F8@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Owen Parrish'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:05:59 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The Package said: >I just learned a sole delay last night. Pretty slick but, it reaaly hurts my >hamstring. Anyways, anyone know any moves, ending or beginning in sole? I >tried toe>same out>same sole, alrmost had it. I say: Butterfly Sole (I do the butterfly dexterity as if it is atomic, gives you more time) Sifter (Drifter set from sole) Paradox Sifter (Pdox drifter set from sole) Ricochet - (Paradox caught on sole) Then there's all sorts of crazy ass raking stuff u can do off em. L8R From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:37:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28699 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:37:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f41.hotmail.com [209.185.131.104]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA00720 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:58:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 57894 invoked by uid 0); 15 Nov 1999 02:57:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19991115025743.57893.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.87.66.79 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:57:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [203.87.66.79] From: "Lynton Stephens" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] drills Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:57:42 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi shredders- I don't really have any guiltless drills to suggest, the only one I can think of that I use is bfly > pdox mirage > bfly > pdox mirage But, I used to use this when I was trying to get my tiltless play really solid: ATW (in-out), mirage, ATW (out-in), reverse mirage, pixie; repeat It's fun, covers a lot and really helps your game. That's all i got for now, Skool hard all- Lynton From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:37:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28709 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:37:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00901 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:08:13 -0800 Received: from Sam (dialup-209.245.76.191.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.76.191]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23172; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:08:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001301bf2f38$0befc440$bf4cf5d1@Sam> Reply-To: "Sam Colclough" From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Owen Parrish" , References: <0.873986e0.25607f67@aol.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:09:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Owen Parrish > Anyways, anyone know any moves, ending or beginning in sole? I > tried toe>same out>same sole, alrmost had it. I like to do: sole > same in > same sole I can't delay it but maybe you can. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:37:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28719 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:37:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01471 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:52:50 -0800 Received: from storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.247]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 409763266; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA15633; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQckiVzRD0/KAb36bZJopjRsPMyAwIVALx80XFM6a3bgOFcEX1px43UBQuV From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:09:46 -0500 (EST) To: SuperOwen@aol.com (Owen Parrish) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) Message-ID: <22129-382F4F4A-8104@storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Owen Parrish 's message of Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:11:03 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Owen asked: >Anyways, anyone know any moves, >ending or beginning in sole? I tried >toe>same out>same sole, alrmost had it. That's a goodin', try it from same clip and op clip too. I have been hitting whirl, osis, blender, symposium mirage and sometimes symposium smear outta my sole. o yeah, and don't forget sole atw. I like to get into it with a spinning sole. I'ts tough, but not as bad as spinning shin : ) GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:37:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28729 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:37:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from curly.excite.com ([199.172.153.144]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01653 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:25:14 -0800 Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991115082343.MEAX6196.gigi.excite.com@prickles>; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:23:43 -0800 Message-ID: <16293254.942654223630.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: set@footbag.org To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] superfly Cc: yax@fido.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 139.142.70.85 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:41:10 -0600 Yacine Merzouck Wrote: >>Hello! >>I just wanted to know what a superfly is. Is it a symposium >>barfly? >>CLIP>(no plant while)SAME OUT[DEX]>SAME OUT [DEX]>OP CLIP[XBD][DEL] yes indeedy, symposium barfly. badass move, ya hittin' it? Allan Victoria BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:38:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28742 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:38:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 57768 invoked by uid 0); 15 Nov 1999 14:20:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19991115142020.57767.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 06:20:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #786 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:20:20 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Lon Smith" Hello Everybody. >I just got back form Africa and have hit some triple dexes very cleanely in >a row. I am this close to hitting a Headsmog!! That would be cool. Trip dexes? Trip single leg dexes?? Or trip dex combos(like blurrier to blurriest to fog etc.)?? Congrats nonetheless--both are dank. Clarification... What is Headsmog?? --my assumption is that it is pixie ducking double-legover, but I am just guessing... Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:38:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28752 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:38:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.15]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA05172 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:16:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 65583 invoked by uid 0); 15 Nov 1999 15:15:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19991115151534.65582.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.160.208 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:15:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.160.208] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flips in juggles Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:15:34 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >this is in response to the thread regarding flips.... << i played with a guy in Munich Germany (muscular bald guy hailing from NYC named Winston???). he hit some backflips and cartwheels and some other acrobatic twists and jumps in the middle of his strings. one combo was legover into atw into backflip into toe stall... pretty cool! >> << any of you German players seen him? Us New Yorkers remember him. He was insane. (awesome kicker, not mentally disabled) What a small footbag world we live in. DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:39:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28762 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:39:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14647 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:39:38 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FL900O01J1Z4R@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:39:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:39:35 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple dex combos In-reply-to: <0.77fbe74f.255cc061@aol.com> To: Windsen Pan Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >I was just curious, has anyone ever hit 3 consec triple dexterity moves, if > so what?? I would think theres got to be someone out there who's hit three blurriests in a row. > Now I have(hehe). I just hit 3 consec smogs...so thats 3 consec triple dex > moves. But i did it barefoot..does that count? Sick! If you did it with your feet barefoot or other it counts in my book. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 06:39:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28772 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:39:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14840 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:45:03 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FL900O01JB6KO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:45:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:45:06 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES In-reply-to: <19991112182415.27293.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> To: Eli Piltz Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Eli Piltz wrote: > p.s. Tsunami was encouraging a "sick combo > demo". What do you think? Yes absolutely! And a phat trick demo as well! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 15 11:50:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28941 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:50:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f236.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.236]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA31448 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:40:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 15999 invoked by uid 0); 16 Nov 1999 07:39:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19991116073958.15998.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:39:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: AdrianD@callplus.co.nz, SuperOwen@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:39:57 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, With all this talk about moves ending in sole, i can't believe nobody has called butterfly sole delay by its proper name, Sole Train! Ah, silliness. Hm, I bet if Adrian hits atomic sole, then stepping sole should be very possible too. I'll have to try that when it isn't a quarter to three in the morning. Goodnight. Ceiling Fan! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 15 22:05:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29193 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:05:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01239 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:01:45 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA29175; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:01:32 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000000666583025285279@mlerf.org> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:03:24 -0600 To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF), freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] when to freestyle? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >Hacker Code Shredder Code >----------- ------------- >Serve to anyone Always serve to the left (or right) >(often whoever seems to have had > the least action recently) >Serving yourself is a no-no Serving yourself is OK >Try to kick the bag to somone else Try to display complete control of bag >Talk about things besides footbag Talk about the moves and difficulty >Enjoy the social interaction Enjoy the physical control of bag >Drink or Smoke - get high Push yourself - get better Derrick... you've got it almost right. The Serving yourself is ALWAYS a NO-NO! Even in shred circles. Only since Enforcer stopped shredding in typical circles, did we get lax on people who self serve. I am still in the (I believe to be large group of) mindset of always passing the bag if you are the one to pick it up. Most people are. Only recently did people start self serving. I propose that this is a result of large circles "passing to the (right or left)" and people feeling that after only 1 to 3 contacts that they "deserve" another chance ('cause they might not get the bag again for a minute or two, depending on who and how many are in the circle)... which is just not the case. They need to understand that if they are playing at a level that is difficult for them, that they need to grin and bear it and pass the bag on those times that they get a bad start... part of the learning curve. Maybe the same people who keep having the bad starts which result in the temptation to pick-up and self serve need to open up with stronger tricks that they won't drop so much... and maybe the "next in line" needs to be aware of the persons "struggle" before them, and if they, for instance, had two turns in a row with bad starts that the "next in line" person could be kind enough to do a pass-back to that bad-start person, thereby eliminating the self-servers. I do occasionally skool one-on-one with other shredders and in a "skool circle" I believe it is okay to self-serve once or twice to get "that elusive move"... just not in shred circles. Especially if it is agreed upon by the participants. Enough is enough. Please, lets see more courtesy tosses and less self-serves in shred circles. Certainly, I will start by doing what the Enforcer (Kenny shults) used to do when there was a self-serve... he reached in, grabbed the bag and passed it to the next appropriate person. Don't be too offended if that happens to you the next time you shred with your fellow addicts... politeness goes a long way, and it sometimes needs some encouragement and "enforcement". The courtesy toss is still a necessary element of kicking. I for one, am proud that our sport evolved from the "win-win" environment of "hack circles". Lets keep that spirit alive. MHO. See ya! Enlightener! Scott Davidson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 00:54:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29363 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:54:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05570 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:50:11 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:49:46 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F37823462718@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:49:44 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I said: >> Ricochet - (Paradox caught on sole) I meant: Ricochet - Paradon caught on sole Sorry for the confusion ! PS. If you name your footbag, your combos will be longer. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 01:03:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29383 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:03:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29380 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:03:39 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05846 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:01:59 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10999 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:01:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.873986e0.25607f67@aol.com> References: <0.873986e0.25607f67@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:02:49 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:11 PM -0500 11/14/99, Owen Parrish wrote: >I just learned a sole delay last night. Pretty slick but, it reaaly hurts my >hamstring. Anyways, anyone know any moves, ending or beginning in sole? I >tried toe>same out>same sole, alrmost had it. Winter Solstice = sole-set, in-spinning back-side rake (my signature :-)) Sifter = sole-set drifter (another Steve Goldberg signature move :-)) Storque = Sole-Set Torque P-Storque = Paradox Storque (*not* a cross-body set!) sole-to-sole = repeating sole delays (boring :-)) XB-Sole-Set Paradox Drifter Basically you can do a sole set into just about anything. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 08:38:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29720 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:38:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09041 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:29:23 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12663 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14657; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:22 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: Re: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) : rake question To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Steve Goldberg wrote: > Winter Solstice = sole-set, in-spinning back-side rake (my signature :-)) What defines *back-side* rake? Is there a front-side rake? Other rakes? -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 08:38:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29725 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:38:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13296 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:14:12 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA349 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:14:14 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:14:18 -0800 Message-ID: <004601bf30a9$d6b42640$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Monster & Highlander.. > To make this event interesting, you may not >plan your succession of tricks. Dave and I were >discussing why one should or should not be able >to plan out one's string and he simply explained, >"If we were all planning strings for the shred >contest, it wouldn't really be freestyle." I >can't say it better myself. If you do the same >string both rounds it will be obvious. This is >open for discussion, as it will better the future >of shred contests. For our tournament though the >"freestyle" aspect applies. I say.. yea boyeee! It's all about free and the only significant prob I can see with the shred scoring system is someone schoolin a planned out shred. This of course eliminates the "shred" aspect and/or "free" aspect of the event. That would completely suck blades! I say Free Baby!... Free! ew :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 16 08:49:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29753 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:49:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29750 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:49:34 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15263 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:47:52 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20932 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:47:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:49:20 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Soul (pun intended) : rake question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:29 PM -0600 11/16/99, Philip Summers wrote: > > Winter Solstice = sole-set, in-spinning back-side rake (my signature :-)) > >What defines *back-side* rake? Is there a front-side rake? Other rakes? It's as distinguished from a "cross-body" rake, where you cross your legs and rake the bag through the middle. In a "back-side" rake, you do what *looks* like a cross-body rake, although instead of moving the bag between your legs, you rake the bag around the front. (This move is really really hard to describe in e-mail.) For example, if you are doing a right-footed cross-body rake, you set the bag on the left side of your body, behind you, and you jump and turn a little to the right as you reach your right leg back, grab the bag on your right toe, and carry it through between your legs, pushing it out in front of you. For a right-footed back-side rake, you use the same set, but you turn *more* to the right, passing the bag with your raking (right) foot. You then catch the bag on your right toe (but it came from the outside not the inside) and push the bag straight forward. So, cross-body rake looks like it's through your legs, where back-side rake looks like you're spinning into a regular rake and just grabbing it a bit farther back than normal. In the most abstract of senses, back-side rake is a toe version of osis. (Where osis is a spin into a clipper delay, back-side rake is a spin into a toe carry.) And of course, Winter Solstice is an in-spinning version so there's even more jumping and spinning happening. Make sense? Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:23:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31053 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:23:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:23:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hub.iwl.net (hub.iwl.net [204.177.208.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09738 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:12:24 -0800 Received: from acsdallas.com (a1x96.iwl.net [204.255.222.96]) by hub.iwl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19627 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:12:22 -0600 Received: from james [127.0.0.1] by acs_dc [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.5.0.R) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:04:32 -0600 From: "James Roberts" TO: "'Freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:03:20 -0600 Message-ID: <000301bf3104$81a270c0$043e1390@james> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Return-Path: jroberts@acsdallas.com Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott D. wrote: >The Serving yourself is ALWAYS a NO-NO!... And to that entire thread, Scott, HEAR! HEAR!, KUDOS, YAY, etc. D, what have I been telling you for almost 3 years? I am happy to say that the Enforcer never took the bag from me for self-serving...only tilting when he knew I was ready to stop tilting. Seems like we've had this discussion before - "Self-Serving." JR From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:23:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31064 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:23:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11438 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:58:19 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA11004; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:57:57 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991112182415.27293.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:08:14 -0600 To: Eli Piltz , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! > I encourage discussion on the rules mentioned; >it will help us iron out things, so that we may >be able to have the shred contest added to the >IFAB rule book, and therefore possibly an >official event at World's. How did we get back onto this system? It causes TONS of extra videotape work, you need to not only count the adds, but the judges need to write down EVERY trick performed to eliminate duplicates to get the multiplier. Cannot get instant results, not even an option. What about making the event 1 minute instead of 45 seconds, and only count the (for the pros) longest guiltless string, and for the intermediates... the longest tiltless string. This way, at least it is immediately obvious who the "contenders" are immediately after they go. It puts the emphasis on having a phatty string, and LONG string, and doesn't reward people who can drop and quickly pick-up and recover... it rewards the people with the longest (and most dificult and least repetitive) strings. So, for instance, lets say I get 8 contacts in my first string, then 46 in my next (and I still have 7 seconds left) and I drop after 46 contacts, then I stop knowing I don't have enough time to better my 46 contact string, and the judges ignore the first 8 contact string and then start figuring my score, only looking at my 46 contact string. Then, next up is EricW with his best string at 48 contacts, and Mulroney with 42 contacts... then we know who to count immediately (speeding up the results) and the "fight" is on trying to eliminate duplicates from the multiplier count and rewarding the person with the longest string that is also most difficult and least repetitive. BTW, in the above example, it would be tight, but Mulroney would probably win even though he had the lowest "raw" contact score (his variety and difficulty may have pulled him ahead in the scoring) Above are my observations and recommendations for the system you are using (even though it is not my first choice for a shred contest format) >p.s. Tsunami was encouraging a "sick combo >demo". What do you think? Sounds like fun! I hope to be there, no concrete plans yet though. See ya! Enlightener (Scott Davidson) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:24:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31074 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:24:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Dave Cecconi Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16005 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:59:41 -0800 Received: from DukeBluDevils@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.b5db5f0f (4592) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:59:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b5db5f0f.2564630f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:59:11 EST Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Videos and Move ?'s To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Shredders, Just a few questions: I agree and disagree w/ what one of the members have said about learning footbag from the internet. I think that Footbag.Org has done a remarkeable job w/ their movelist and w/ their moves on video, and I feel you can get the basic idea and feel for freestyle on the internet. But I do agree that you can't become a great freestyler w/o watchin pros. The keys in my mind are CONCENTRATION, LEG SPEED AND STRENGTH, THE RIGHT ATTITUDE (the corny I can do it one), AND OF COURSE TIMING! This leads to my first question. I have seen various videos on freestyle but can someone recommend a good video for me. I'm looking for a video that can teach me timing and has alot of moves that are shown in a good variety and sumthin that is very explanitory. Some sites suggest a video by Kenny Shultz. Duz any1 know where I can get these videos or duz any1 hav any recommendations? And another question. I hav written and replied to many mails concerning the move (supposevily) called "Infinity." I was wondering if this is even a move. Sum1 that replied to my mail (which I thank you) said that he BELIEVED that the term "Infinity" referred to a COMBO such as Consecutive Butterfly Delays. Is this true? Well if this is a move, can sum1 give me the job for it? It wuz suggested that Clip>Same Out>Opp Clip was an "Infinity" but I wasn't sure. That job seems so basic like it would be a BIG move. But it's not listed on any sites. If this truly is a COMBO, can sum1 declare that and if it is, are there any other names for combos? If so, would sum1 list them?!? Thanks For Listenin if u read this far--- ---Dave C. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:24:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31084 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:24:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18919 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:13:33 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FLD008014EMWK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:13:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:13:34 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] tournament levels To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You know I've been thinking a lot lately about tournaments and how much fun they are. I really like making up a routine and playing to music. I also like th idea of winning the tournament. Next year I'll be open I suppose and I'm pretty sure I won't win. I think the reason is because the level of play is skyrocketing. I feel I'm getting better all the time, but I know that everyone else is as well. So by next year I'll be going up against Ryan, Scott, Eric, Tuan, Peter, Greg, Rick, Sunil, Daryl and all the other competing BAP members as well as those who are not BAP, but still huge. Now I will try my hardest to beat all of them (snicker), but I'm pretty realistic in my endeavors and know I probably won't. Here's my point. I think there is a major division between intermediate and open. One which I and many others fall into. So how do we bridge that gap (besides getting better, that's a given)? Anyone? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:24:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31094 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:24:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.201]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20225 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:19:31 -0800 Message-ID: <19991117231933.21753.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.123] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:19:33 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:19:33 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: when to freestyle To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To all, Regarding Scott's words on self service: after TX State Tsunami, Big Add Chad, Highlander, and myself (all of which are new skool, bad etiquette, self servin bap) were discussing how bad it looks. We decided no more of that $#!+ at tournaments. I doesn't matter with buds on your own turf, but, c'mon bad etiquette ain't swingin at tournaments. So, BRING YOUR (BEST) ETIQUETTE TO BOULDER IN FEBRUARY. Much obliged, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:25:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31104 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:25:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web205.mail.yahoo.com (web205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.105]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20540 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:39:07 -0800 Message-ID: <19991117233913.25588.rocketmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.221.166.38] by web205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:39:13 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:39:13 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re:[freestyle] Ripswirl woo hoo!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey what's up there shreders! I'm writing into the list for a few reasons. First, I finally hit my first triple dex move, ripswirl. YAY!!!! :) I also hit my first atomeclipse today. Today was a very good day. I was also talking to Peter Irish the other day and he hit a 7 add move, blurry symposium whirling X-body rake. He said he hit it twice. Well Jane and I are doing well on the ol' Infinity Toys tour we got a chance to kick with Sean Wingert and Brian McKenzie this last weekend. Those guys are insane!! Sean was hitting pixie paradon both sides, and pixie ducking stuff, and Brian was trying Neutron Smasher. I hope everyone out there is skooling hard. See you folks in Vancouver for sure. Later ZERBE TRIPLE DEX BABY YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:25:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31114 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:25:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20668 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:43 -0800 Message-ID: <19991117234550.13675.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.123] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:50 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:50 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org THere are a few subjects about the Symposium I will mention here. So Brad (and I'm sure more) wants a phat trick demo. Tough. I think that would waste a bunch of everyone's time- save it for the circles. Sick combos... maybe. It might be fun; at least worth a try. How do three move and five move combos sound? Time limit? Scott D. wrote: > How did we get back onto this system? It > causes TONS of extra videotape Did we ever get off the video review system? ...> you need to not only count the adds, but> the judges need to write > down EVERY trick performed to eliminate > duplicates to get the multiplier. > Cannot get instant results, not even an option. First, if the people tallying the scores are experienced shredders, they can keep track of unique moves in their heads successfully (we've done it many times before this way). ...> What about making the event 1 minute instead of > 45 seconds, and only count > the (for the pros) longest guiltless string, ...> then we know who to count immediately >(speeding up the results) and the > "fight" is on trying to eliminate duplicates > from the multiplier count and... It doesn't sound like Scott's suggestions solve anything to me. Actually, it sounds like a different competition, very similar to one Dave and I have talked about. With these proposed changes, you still don't have an immediate winner, and timely video review is still needed. You don't need to be a genius to figure out who has a good chance of winning at the conclusion anyway. Well, I just had a thought that we could figure the scores on the spot if we were organized well enough to a couple people counting adds and a couple on add ratio and a couple counting uniques... maybe have video as backup. The only problem obvious to me is that the people most fit for "judging" are the ones competing. Any thoughts? Eric, thanks for the support on the "freestyle" aspect of the comp. You da mang, mang. L8, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:42:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31153 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:42:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31150 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:42:19 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25961 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:40:28 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03815 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:40:04 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.b5db5f0f.2564630f@aol.com> References: <0.b5db5f0f.2564630f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:41:34 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Videos and Move ?'s Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:59 PM -0500 11/17/99, Dave Cecconi wrote: >I think that Footbag.Org has done a remarkeable job Dave, I love you to death and all, but *grrrr*. "They" is "Steve", thank you very much. My name is Steve. Hi, it's nice to meet you. Steve. That's me. Steve. (Did anyone know that was me? Steve.) I am a human an prefer not to be talked about so much in the third person. (I don't have a .com or a .org in my name.) :-) >I have seen >various videos on freestyle but can someone recommend a good video for me. I do that on my FAQ (frequently-asked questions page). http://www.footbag.org/facts/show/learnfreestyle and http://www.footbag.org/facts/show/learn >Some sites >suggest a video by Kenny Shultz. Hmm.. Some sites? http://www.footbag.org/ (er, *I*) have a FAQ (above) that explains how to learn freestyle. The first thing it says (I say) to do is buy the video "Tricks of the Trade", and it even links you directly to the WFA page that you use to order it. You have to order it from the WFA, so there's no discussion. Go order it now, please. No, I don't get a kick-back from the WFA. :-) >Duz any1 know where I can get these videos >or duz any1 hav any recommendations? Tricks of the Trade. http://worldfootbag.com/catman/show/248 (lazy bones). >And another question. I hav written and replied to many mails concerning the >move (supposevily) called "Infinity." Infinity is just another name for butterfly, when the set is from the opposite clipper. It's because you can link butterflies together this way to get an infinity pattern. Not a technical term at all, just common terminology for a clipper set across your body into a butterfly. Technically, a butterfly is a butterfly. But the culture has evolved differently and there is non-technical language for lots of moves that differs based on the set. For example, double-over-down is the same move as and paradon and barfly, it's just called different things because of the set. Technically, this doesn't affect the difficulty or the components of the move; but players think of it as a different move just because of the different set (and thus different look to the move). Down-double-down is also the same move but some argue (rightfully) that it's a lot harder and should be different. (But it isn't today.) No can of worms, just examples of moves that have names that are different from their technical names and even from their common nicknames because of the set or because of some other random attribute. Another example is "mechanosis" which is really just an osis but it *looks* a lot like torque because it's set from a pincher. It's a pincher-set osis. The cutesy name for that is "mechanosis". There are lots more. We've discussed them here about ten thousand times so you should look through the digests for "mechanosis" and you'll find the previous four hundred discussions of this topic. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:58:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31180 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:58:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f151.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.151]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26150 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:49:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 99406 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1999 03:49:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991118034923.99405.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:49:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: DukeBluDevils@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Videos and Move ?'s Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:49:23 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody, Dave Cecconie inquired: >are >there any other names for combos? If so, would sum1 list them?!? > Paradon to barrage repeatedly is called fiesta, and Dyno to Dyno is Jimmy Walker (dyno-mite!). Shred hard, CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 07:58:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31190 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:58:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31182 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:58:09 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26295 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:56:18 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10326 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:55:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:57:24 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] tournament levels Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:13 PM -0700 11/17/99, Brad Kaplan wrote: > Here's my point. I think there is a major division between >intermediate and open. One which I and many others fall into. So how do >we bridge that gap (besides getting better, that's a given)? Go "advanced". Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 20:35:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31905 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:35:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.59]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA19481 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:20:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 14655 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1999 09:20:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19991118092009.14654.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:20:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.66] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Videos and Move ?'s Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:20:08 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org the one and only Steve Goldberg wrote: >Dave, I love you to death and all, but *grrrr*. "They" is "Steve", >thank you very much. Perhaps we constantly hope you've finally picked up some more help :) any way moving right along: >But the culture has evolved differently and there is non-technical >language for lots of moves that differs based on the set ... For >example, double-over-down is the same move as and paradon and barfly, >it's just called different things because of the set. Technically, >this doesn't affect the difficulty or the components of the move; but >players think of it as a different move just because of the different >set (and thus different look to the move). Down-double-down is also >the same move but some argue (rightfully) that it's a lot harder and >should be different. (But it isn't today.) No can of worms, just >examples of moves that have names that are different from their >technical names and even from their common nicknames because of the >set or because of some other random attribute. Sorry, can of worms opened. Some of us (well at least "I") beileve rather firmly that these are indeed unique moves. Why do I say firmly? I can hit paradon with my eyes closed, and on a good day blurriest on command, and after 2 years of practice I've hit about 5 barflies and exactly 0 double over downs. I'm not sure these moves (paradon, barfly, double over down) are seperated by difficulty, but at least to me they feel VERY different. Just a statement, no sugestions for change at this time. >Another example is "mechanosis" which is really just an osis but it >*looks* a lot like torque because it's set from a pincher. Hmmm, is that anything like "sifter," pretty phat move, I once saw a guy named Steve hitting that. -Andrew P.S. Looking for video? Pick up UQAM Jam (is that spelled right?), I learned paradox legbeater (nuclear same butterfly, as you like) by watching it. Good stuff. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 20:35:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31906 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:35:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f157.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22689 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:02:38 -0800 Received: (qmail 36482 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1999 15:02:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19991118150210.36481.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:02:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] tournament levels Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:02:09 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Here's my point. I think there is a major division between >intermediate and open. One which I and many others fall into. So >how do >we bridge that gap? Brad, I agree with you immensely. I don't have a true solution (as no single person can), but this was readily apparent in my first Open competion at Texas State. I went with the intention of competing intermediate, but with no Brad Kaplans, Neil Paynes, or other 'high-level intermediates' it would have been very unfair for me to compete against some guys who have only kicked for a few months to a year, but are in the Intermediate division. The Open division had the likes of Sunil, Big Add, Eli, McKensie, Scalf, etc... Outta my league considering I didn't even make it to finals in Intermediate Worlds last year(tuff pool ;) ). So, I was not going to even compete at first. But, after prodding from several individuals, I chose to go ahead and compete Open and got waxed. No big deal--someone has to lose. Though, I totally see where you are coming from. In fact, I believe James Gilbert(aka Ska Boy) even said the exact same thing you just said that day in Austin to me. He said he thought there should be a third category of Competition, that I fit into, that is somewhere between Intermediate and Open. This is assuming that people competing novice are actually VERY unexperienced kickers and are not in a level of putting any combos together at all--so it really is not a competitive division. A lot of sports with similar competitions (BMX bike racing, Mtn. Bike racing, Climbing, skating, etc.) have additional levels of competition--yes, Novice is one of these, but it tends to be a more competitive division in other sports. And there is another category called Beginner. IMHO, I beleive I am an Intermediate Kicker, period. I am not going to sit here and describe my faults that make me feel this way in detail, but I know I am nowhere even near the level I should be to be competitive at Open. I think that the people in intermediate at Texas were Beginners, maybe with the exception of one, but that is 'iffy. The problem people might say is that there aren't enough competitors. I think more divisions will lead to more competitors. I know people who are Pro-Level shredders who don't compete because they aren't good at comp.--they should be intermediate. That equals more competitors. These thoughts have sputtered out... comment if you wish. Ian D. So by next year I'll be going up against Ryan, Scott, Eric, Tuan, >Peter, Greg, Rick, Sunil, Daryl and all the other competing BAP members as >well as those who are not BAP, but still huge. Now I will try my hardest >to beat all of them (snicker), but I'm pretty realistic in my endeavors >and know I probably won't Daunting task isn't it. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 17 22:38:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32076 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:38:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26732 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:23:57 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA17637; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:23:55 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991117234550.13675.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:38:27 -0600 To: Eli Piltz , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Eli and all! >So Brad (and I'm sure more) wants a phat trick >demo. Tough. I think that would waste a bunch >of everyone's time- save it for the circles. >Sick combos... maybe. It might be fun; at least >worth a try. How do three move and five move >combos sound? Time limit? > >Scott D. wrote: >> How did we get back onto this system? It >> causes TONS of extra videotape > >Did we ever get off the video review system? Yes, at least I did, maybe you didn't see the notes from last years "National Freestyle" test event, but we got through several events without any video taping. >...> you need to not only count the adds, but> >the judges need to write >> down EVERY trick performed to eliminate >> duplicates to get the multiplier. >> Cannot get instant results, not even an option. > >First, if the people tallying the scores are >experienced shredders, they can keep track of >unique moves in their heads successfully (we've >done it many times before this way). Not true. Sure they can keep track, about 75% accurately, no way would I believe it to be 100%. Plus, the scores can be very close, so accuracy counts, and I wouldn't want to be in an event like the one you propose, unless everything was going to be triple checked on video. >...> What about making the event 1 minute instead >of >> 45 seconds, and only count >> the (for the pros) longest guiltless string, >...> then we know who to count immediately >>(speeding up the results) and the >> "fight" is on trying to eliminate duplicates >> from the multiplier count and... > >It doesn't sound like Scott's suggestions solve >anything to me. Actually, it sounds like a >different competition, very similar to one Dave >and I have talked about. With these proposed >changes, you still don't have an immediate >winner, and timely video review is still needed. >You don't need to be a genius to figure out who >has a good chance of winning at the conclusion >anyway. Well, I just had a thought that we could >figure the scores on the spot if we were >organized well enough to a couple people counting >adds and a couple on add ratio and a couple >counting uniques... maybe have video as backup. >The only problem obvious to me is that the people >most fit for "judging" are the ones competing. >Any thoughts? True, the most qualified will be competing and won't be available for counting. But while we can be 95% accurate with add/contact counting, I know from experience that you cannot be more than 75% accurate on unique moves "off the top of your head, live". Especially when that number is your multiplier... it is the most important number and MUST be verified by video. Jumping back to the beginining of the above paragraph... only accepting the "longest string" during the time period makes it easier on the judges, because that way they know which ones to look at first... then they can take their time finding out who is 9th and 10th place etc... .... "Longest String" method also encourages the essence of shred, the string aspect is ultimately important in shredding, but if you take "all" unique moves during the time limit, then you reward the people who can do big moves (not necessarily strings) and even those who can do big moves (and even those who drop, but pull out another bag and start shreding immediately, or who happen to be able to recover quickly), but can't link them with similarly difficult moves. I think you got too hung up on my 1minute (vs. 45 seconds) part, that is a minor tweak and certainly up for discussion. Either way, it looks like you might want to schedule a two hour "sit around the TV and watch the shred contest" beer fest the night of the shred. Fun, comaraderie, beer (and soda for SG) and footbag. Dreamy. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 01:30:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32280 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:30:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f98.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.98]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28258 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:41:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 44880 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1999 19:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19991118194128.44879.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.161.152 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:41:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.161.152] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:41:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org << To make this event interesting, you may not plan your succession of tricks. Dave and I were discussing why one should or should not be able to plan out one's string and he simply explained, "If we were all planning strings for the shred contest, it wouldn't really be freestyle." I can't say it better myself. If you do the same string both rounds it will be obvious. This is open for discussion, as it will better the future of shred contests. For our tournament though the "freestyle" aspect applies. >> True freestyle will not come about with the imposition of rules. That goes for ADDS too, which is just another rule when you get down to it. I would suggest your judges simply rank the competitors on difficulty, variety, etc. That's if you want freestyle. free-style = free-dom DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 01:30:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32290 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:30:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (root@grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28730 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:07:29 -0800 Received: from unix2 (jlw3368@unix2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.12.4]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with SMTP id OAA09767; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:07:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by unix2 (SMI-8.6/1.34) id OAA21835; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:07:36 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:07:36 -0600 (CST) From: James Lee Widman X-Sender: jlw3368@unix2.cc.ksu.edu To: Ian Dubman cc: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] tournament levels In-Reply-To: <19991118150210.36481.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad said... > >Here's my point. I think there is a major division between > >intermediate and open. One which I and many others fall into. So >how do > >we bridge that gap? Steve said, "go advanced" I think this category/level for competition should be incorporated, esp. at large tournaments like Worlds. novice > intermediate > advanced > open Ian wrote... > Open division had the likes of Sunil, Big Add, Eli, McKensie, Scalf, etc... > Outta my league considering... > ...But, after prodding from several individuals, I chose to go ahead > and compete Open and got waxed. No big deal--someone has to lose. Though, an 'advanced' category would definatly tighten up the competition, make it much more fun for those of us who shuoldn't be competing intermediate but have no chance taking open, and would probably allow for more competitors who wouldn't otherwise go open > there should be a third category of Competition, that I fit into, that is > somewhere between Intermediate and Open. > I think more divisions will lead to more competitors. Exactly! we could call it "advanced" pce, james w. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 01:30:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32285 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:30:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28379 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:51:45 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA04869; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:51:34 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19991117234550.13675.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:54:43 -0600 To: Eli Piltz , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Eli and All! As an aside: I would love to have an extra event at the "Symposium", Tripless Shred, not for the faint-at-heart. Sure, a lot of you might object, but it should at least be a demo event. Give it a chance. :-) See ya! Scott D. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 04:17:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32761 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 04:17:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32019 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:15:51 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr125.clearsail.net [207.252.227.125]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28063; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:58:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002701bf3212$f3dfe500$7de3fccf@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: "Ian Dubman" Cc: References: <19991118150210.36481.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] tournament levels Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:59:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I went with the intention of competing intermediate, but with > no Brad Kaplans, Neil Paynes, or other 'high-level intermediates' it would > have been very unfair for me to compete against some guys who have only > kicked for a few months to a year, but are in the Intermediate division. I'd like to thank Ian for this kind gesture because he would have kicked my ass big time. I really appreciate it. > I totally see where you are coming from. In fact, I believe James > Gilbert(aka Ska Boy) even said the exact same thing you just said that day > in Austin to me. He said he thought there should be a third category of > Competition, that I fit into, that is somewhere between Intermediate and > Open. I do believe this even though I'm not in that in between category(and not even close to there). It seems like there should be another one. From my view there is a big gap from the level of the open players and the level of very strong intermediates. There should be another category, that way there wouldn't be instances where people feel they should make sacrifices for punks like me. James "ska boy" Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 05:34:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00452 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:34:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop1.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop1.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04452 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:08:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 19386 invoked by alias); 19 Nov 1999 01:08:22 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 19338 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1999 01:08:20 -0000 Received: from rdialup93.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.172.93) by dnvrpop1.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1999 01:08:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3834A378.6463CB5@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:10:16 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Ability rank Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Okay, how do I know when I have moved from begginer to intermediate. Maybe tell me what moves I should be able to hit (how many adds too, or how many moves I need to be able to string together. Whatever could explain it to me. THanx a llot M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 05:34:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00462 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:34:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Dave Cecconi Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01294 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:16:53 -0800 Received: from DukeBluDevils@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.18e37844 (4000) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:16:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.18e37844.2565e2d0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:16:32 EST Subject: [freestyle] Move ?'s To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I know every1 gets upset when you talk about moves because footbag.org has a movelist but it can't help me w/ this. I had posted a mail that I hit a move: Toe>Op Out [dex]>Back(spin) [bod]>Op In [dex]> Same Clip [del] Well, I had called it Carousel but I understand this is a neutron smasher. Well I hit it in a string today and one of my friends claimed it should be worth 5 adds bcuz I used a Fairy Set meaning The set wuz Toe>same out Just curious would that be classified as symposium and be an extra add? Well thanx -Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 05:34:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00457 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:34:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.147]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA32392 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:26:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 55039 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1999 22:25:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19991118222548.55038.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:25:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.234] From: "tom labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Where are you all? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:25:48 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I live in LaCrosse WI. There is about 7 serious hackers in this city of 50,000. I'm getting really anxious. Do you have any idea how much I want to shred with you pros? Is there any players close to LaCrosse? Have any of you ever heard of LaCrosse? Movin' on.... I am like stuck here. I have no car, and no fellow enthusiasts of footbag. SOOOOOO, you all better watch out, cause one of these days I'll be at all those tournaments and you'll all be like....."??????Where'd he come from??????Who is that??????I wish he would give me lessons!!!!" I hope you all found that as funny as I did. Talk to me. Why do you all think footbag is so great? In admiration... Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 05:34:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00470 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:34:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02763 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:19:22 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA00415 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:18:55 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <004901bf3222$b6a4e540$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:12:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >True freestyle will not come about with the imposition of rules. >That goes for ADDS too, which is just another rule when you get down to it. >I would suggest your judges simply rank the competitors on difficulty, >variety, etc. That's if you want freestyle. Right on, Mr.DanK. Someone free this sport from its chains. Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 11:28:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00818 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:28:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08969; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:56:48 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14173; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:57:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:56:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu Reply-To: "Jeremiah J. Riely" To: Scott Davidson cc: Eli Piltz , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >First, if the people tallying the scores are > >experienced shredders, they can keep track of > >unique moves in their heads successfully (we've > >done it many times before this way). > > Not true. Sure they can keep track, about 75% accurately, no way would I > believe it to be 100%. Plus, the scores can be very close, so accuracy Where do you get off saying "not true"? You're calling Eli a lyer. I know that I could with 100% accuracy count the uniqe moves in a shred contest, and I've never been to a tournament! I don't think it would even be that difficult (for me anyway, and surely others) to count the unique tricks in a 45 second or 1 minute shred contest. I don't find it hard to believe that it has been done many times. > True, the most qualified will be competing and won't be available for > counting. But while we can be 95% accurate with add/contact counting, I > know from experience that you cannot be more than 75% accurate on unique > moves "off the top of your head, live". Especially when that number is I beg to differ. I am confident that there are people who are able to "off the top of their head, live" count the unique moves with 100% accuracy. I know that I have the capability of doing it. Not every time, but that is why there is video verification. I'm not saying that isn't necessary, but feasably, there could be quite accurate on the fly judging, but I think video verification should always be used. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 11:28:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00813 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:28:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06138 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:22:23 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991119022234.HHVJ2561.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:22:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3834B49E.8E0B2304@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:23:26 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Cecconi CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move ?'s References: <0.18e37844.2565e2d0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Cecconi wrote: > > Toe>Op Out [dex]>Back(spin) [bod]>Op In [dex]> Same Clip [del] > > Well, I had called it Carousel but I understand this is a neutron smasher. > Well I hit it in a string today and one of my friends claimed it should be > worth 5 adds bcuz I used a Fairy Set meaning The set wuz Toe>same out The notation you used above is not a fairy set. The move from above: Toe>Op Out [dex]>Back(spin) [bod]>Op In [dex]> Same Clip [del] would be an atomic vortex - which would be five well earned adds. I've never seen anyone come close to this though I have seen Brad K. come really close to an atomic gyro reverse whirl. Look on footbag.org at that Job's tutorial. It will help you get your point across... that way, we can tell what move you are asking about. If it is fairy gyro or fairy spinning, odds are I've come close :) -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 11:28:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00823 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:28:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10003 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:42:38 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA242; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:42:39 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Cc: "'Eli \"Monster\" Piltz'" , "'\"DANK\" Daniel Kramer'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:42:44 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01bf3250$e7dc2500$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eli wrote.. >THere are a few subjects about the Symposium I >will mention here. Me too!.. :) if I may be so bold... >Sick combos... maybe. It might be fun; at least >worth a try. How do three move and five move >combos sound? Time limit? May I suggest something along the lines of the DanK(Dan Kramer) style phat trick contest. I was a part of it once and it was definitely SWEET! Each player has a designated amount of tries, for instance 8... hi Dank :), to put together up to 3 of the phatest & styliest tricks he/she can. A judging panel picks 4 winners, each player can win more than once as follows... the single phatest/styliest trick, the best 2 trick combo and the best 3 trick and the overall winner. "I think you won because that was COOL!" period... like a slam dunk contest.. no counting adds or ratios.. what did you like? Scott D. wrote > How did we get back onto this system? It > causes TONS of extra videotape Eli... >>Did we ever get off the video review system? I never did and didn't think anyone else did either... Eli.. >First, if the people tallying the scores are >experienced shredders, they can keep track of >unique moves in their heads successfully (we've >done it many times before this way). Check this out.. Get a clerk style calculator... ya know the fat ones with the ribbon and they make noise. Ya got one person calling out the adds on each move... 4,4,5,3,4 while the other simply adding them up on the calculator. You got 2 or 3 people counting unique moves. When the competitor is finished with his 45 seconds you've got an add total IMMEDIATELY right in front of you... and your ratio is only 20 SECONDS AWAY. Simply count the # of ticks on your add tape and divide into your add total and there is your ratio(plus the drops if you count them and they are on tricks). Take the average from the unique move counters and you can verify that later if you want. The unique moves is definitely the hardest part. But it isn't THAT HARD. Just takes some organizin. One minute should do it for each total calculation. watcha ya think? ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 20:37:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01302 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:37:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f9.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA01026 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 05:55:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 23953 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1999 13:54:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19991119135434.23952.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 05:54:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:54:34 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" >I know >that I could with 100% accuracy count the uniqe moves in a shred contest, >and I've never been to a tournament! I beg to differ. I am confident that >there are people who are able to >"off the top of their head, live" count the unique moves with 100% >accuracy. I know that I have the capability of doing it. Not every time, >but that is why there is video verification. I was reading this and chuckling. Not because I am in doubt, but because I know Jeremiah personally. Though it is true he has never been to a tournament, I was actually thinking yesterday when I read that post, "Man, I bet Jeremiah could do this." Now, he stood up and said so himself. I know he could do it. He could probably tell you the differences between your strong side and your weak side in addition to telling you which ones you hit also. I am sure there are 'naysayers' out there, but I am being serious. The kid knows his schtuff. Later, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 20:37:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01307 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:37:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.190]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA02433 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:36:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 72008 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1999 14:36:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991119143631.72007.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.108.24.26 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:36:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.108.24.26] From: "Kevin Wendt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ability rank Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:36:31 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree. What are the requirements to win at each level? I am an alright freestyler, I am 15 and can pull off a pretty good list of stuff. Would someone please tell me how to judge if I'm good enough or not, thanx. Kevin "Smiley" Wendt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 18 21:34:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01373 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:34:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05712 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:24:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 21420 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1999 17:24:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19991119172407.21419.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.166.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:24:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.166.156] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:24:07 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric wrote: << May I suggest something along the lines of the DanK(Dan Kramer) style phat trick contest. I was a part of it once and it was definitely SWEET! Each player has a designated amount of tries, for instance 8... hi Dank :), >> Hi Eric. :) If my memory serves me, we actually used a 45 second time limit. Though, I believe we did discuss the option of "tries" at the tourney (Philly Open '99 - hi Rob). I think we decided against tries because it's a little difficult to define what a "try" is. Perhaps you could simply define a "try" as a drop. You could get x amount of drops to go for the phattest tricks you can... Either way is copacetic. << the single phatest/styliest trick, the best 2 trick combo and the best 3 trick and the overall winner. "I think you won because that was COOL!" period... like a slam dunk contest.. no counting adds or ratios..>> I did a little digging in the archives and got the results: << Phat Tricks (1) Paradox Leg-Beater - Josh Penney (2) Mobius - Peter Irish (3) Haze - Eric Wulff (4) Spinning Eclipse - Alex Zerbe (5) Pixie-Da Da - Matt Avery Phat 2 Moves (1) Mobius/Blurry Whirl - Peter Irish (2) Blurry-Dragonfly/Torque - Eric Wulff (3) Leg-Beater/Torque - Josh Penney (4) Pixie-Butterfly/Paradox Whirl - Matt Avery (5) Butterfly/Spinning Eclipse - Alex Zerbe Phat 3 Moves (1) Haze/Pixie-Butterfly/Ducking Butterfly - Eric Wulff (2) Torque/Butterfly/Spinning Eclipse - Alex Zerbe (3) Smear/Pixie-Butterfly/Paradox Whirl - Matt Avery (4) Peter Irish - did not qualify :( (4) Josh Penney - did not qualify :( Overall (1) Eric Wulff (2) Peter Irish (3) Josh Penney (4) Alex Zerbe (5) Matt Avery >> Dave wrote: >Right on, Mr.DanK. Someone free this sport from its chains. Am I Spartacus? No thank you. He died in that movie! DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 19 02:07:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01674 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:07:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10987 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:46:32 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00932 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:46:11 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <002901bf32d6$783395e0$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:38:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >>Right on, Mr.DanK. Someone free this sport from its chains. > >Am I Spartacus? No thank you. He died in that movie! Sometimes it seems like it will take a sacrifice to change the mindset in this crowd... :) Cynic From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 19 06:06:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02194 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:06:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15450 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:41:45 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA210 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:42:03 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:42:07 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01bf32f8$74da3940$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org By the way... Go Eli!... Go Dave!... Seems lots of us are debating about YOUR event. No matter what you guys decide regarding the Colo Shred it's gonna be SWEET! ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 19 06:06:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02204 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:06:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15344 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:39:00 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA427 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:39:16 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:39:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01bf32f8$119f6440$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org a few things regarding.. 45 seconds of (ratio x moves)+adds promotes all the things we want to see in a shred. This is a great format for a shred. difficulty & variety in 1 phat long string... that's what this system asks for. Isn't that what we are asking for in a shred competitor? I think Scott D. is "right on" in expressing that counting the unique moves accurately is very difficult. This is the hardest job for the judges. However, if the contestants go in pools than you can have 2 or 3 judges counting moves and take their average. Also/or you can verify everyone's move count alone by video later. This would be much faster than calculating everything by video later. Using this system, you could at least post unofficial scores very fast. There is absolutely no need to verify adds and ratio by video as long as you have one judge on a calculator and 1 judge calling out the adds per move. ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 20 16:06:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03478 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:06:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kevin Walko Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16757 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:11:36 -0800 Received: from Bordnfool@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.d19b51db (3860) for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:11:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d19b51db.25686873@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:11:15 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ability rank To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I don't think that there should be a ranking by what tricks you can do. I'm better than a couple people OVERALL, and they have a couple tricks down, that I don't, like the around the world for example. lets say to be intermediate around the world is on the list.. Bull shit. if I can pull off blurs, mirages, etc. then I'm NOT a beginner. catch my drift? If you think that your ability is better than beginner, then you probably are. just judge for yourself, not by individual moves. Kevin "The Bird" Walko ..happy owen?... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 20 17:31:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03756 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:31:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.57]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20490 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:57:40 -0800 Received: (qmail 21025 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1999 00:57:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991121005732.21024.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.132.70.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:57:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.132.70.142] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Bordnfool@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ability rank Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:57:32 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All, Kevin Walko wrote: > >I don't think that there should be a ranking by what tricks you can do. >If you think that >your ability is better than beginner, then you probably are. just judge >for >yourself, not by individual moves. > I don't think abybody was suggesting that people only compete in certain categories if they can hit certain moves. I think people were asking what moves are generally hit in the different levels of competition. I personally think that the difficulty of the moves you execute doesn't come into importance until you compete open at a very high level. At world's this year, I felt i was a good freestyler, and i was able to hit many difficult moves. I got my ass handed to me on a platter by the entire intermediate division. A very large part of how well you do, or what division you should compete in has to do with how well you can present yourself on stage. Stage confidence and good showmanship are worth more than big adds in beginner and intermediate competition. My thoughts, Ken CF Somolinos bear feet From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 20 19:26:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03862 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:26:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f112.hotmail.com [216.32.181.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22674 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:10:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 62070 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1999 03:10:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19991121031005.62069.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:10:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.48] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ability rank Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:10:04 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I don't think abybody was suggesting that people only compete in certain >categories if they can hit certain moves. I think people were asking what >moves are generally hit in the different levels of competition. I agree. I also want to add that it's how you execute the moves that counts, not necessarily how difficult the moves are. i'm a beginner hitting mirages and pixies and leg-overs and atw and that's pretty much it. i hit a little with my friend yesterday. he's just a hacker, doesn't do any moves, but he has SOO much more control of the bag than I do, i was feeling embarassed. here i am, i get the bag, hit a mirage and atw and lose it. and there he is, just kicking, different sides, toe-stall, inside-stall, just wonderful control. if the two of us were competing, i'd think he should win, just because it looks nicer when he kicks it =) just my 5 cents. -Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 21 11:57:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04811 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:57:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07746 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:05:45 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FLJ00N01IM25J@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:06:02 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:06:01 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ability rank In-reply-to: <19991121005732.21024.qmail@hotmail.com> To: KeN Somolinos Cc: Bordnfool@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, KeN Somolinos wrote: > I personally think that the difficulty of the moves you execute doesn't come into importance until you compete open at a very high level. > A very large part of how well you do, or what > division you should compete in has to do with how well you can present > yourself on stage. Stage confidence and good showmanship are worth more > than big adds in beginner and intermediate competition. Amen! Though, I spent some time today watching some of the prelim and final open routines from worlds and I must say my confidence has been boosted. Not all of the routines were full of the hardest tricks, but they filled the card. The fact is that a routine for open can be loaded with "3 add" moves and a few "4 adds" and as long as you present well and keep the drops way down (say... none) then you've got a great shot of at least being in the finals. So I think Ken's advice goes for all the levels. And a special thanks and admiration for Greg Nelson who is quite inspiring. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 21 11:57:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04816 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:57:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f180.hotmail.com [216.32.181.180]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18599 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:58:01 -0800 Received: (qmail 20084 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1999 18:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19991121185758.20083.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.167.114.26 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:57:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.167.114.26] From: "Ryan Britt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Atomic sets Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:57:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone. I just had a small question about moves involving atomic sets (eggbeater, atom smasher etc.) I've seen the set done two ways. When I was watching a video of Peter Irish, he set the bag very high and circled it with the ankle. However I've seen others go over the bag with the upper portion of the leg, when the bag is still very low. I just wanted to know if either way is "better". I personally think the second way looks nicer, but it seems harder. - Ryan "mad cause he injured himself and can't play for a week" Britt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 21 22:31:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05535 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:31:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f342.hotmail.com [207.82.250.90]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29009 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:44:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 33384 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1999 04:44:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991122044431.33383.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 4.17.89.163 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:44:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [4.17.89.163] From: "Phong Le" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] starting a club Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:44:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This may or mal not seem like a lame question but soom my friends and I are going to start a Footbagging club at Goucher College. Does anyone have any experience with this. We want to become a club basically so that we could have funding to get some good videos and such. I mean is there any good way about drawing up a club charter that will help my chances of getting approved? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Keep it real everyone Phong Le allthingsfrog@hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 21 22:31:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05540 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:31:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f215.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.215]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA26268 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:18:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 15647 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1999 02:18:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19991122021844.15646.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.150.50.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:18:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.150.50.132] From: "tom labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What's up? Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:18:43 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey what's up? I just finished going through the moves list on footbag.org and I was amazed to see that there isn't spit for tips. I just thought all you shredders out there needed a reminder that at one time, you just played hacky-sack, you had no idea what a symposium mirage stall was, and you needed a few good pointers. Well now it's the 90's, and there is an internet, and there are the same type of kids who need those pointers. Footbag.org is the best and most ready place on the net for anything to do with footbag, and that's where the web-surfing begginers are going to go, hence, that's where the advice should be. I suggest that if you are tired of beginner questions on the freestyle e-mail discusion, that all of you learned shredders go through the one-two-three add move lists, and share the wealth. There are starving kids in some Nebraskan town who are fed up with those damn butterflies and dragonflies, and all they need is a-tip-a-day to survive. YOU....are the answer. No seriously, just run through it and see if you can give some good input In admiration.... Thomas LaBeff P.s. Remember the Golden Rule: DEW UN-2 OTHERS AZ U WOOD HAV THEM DEW UN-2 U. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 21 23:23:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05617 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:23:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f182.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.182]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30166 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:51:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 90426 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1999 06:51:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19991122065134.90425.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:51:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: allthingsfrog@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] starting a club Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:51:33 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Phong Le inquired: >my friends and I are >going to start a Footbagging club at Goucher College. Does anyone have any >experience with this. We want to become a club basically so that we could >have funding to get some good videos and such. I mean is there any good >way >about drawing up a club charter that will help my chances of getting >approved? Well, first of all, you should start a club to teach others. Getting video for yourselves should really be secondary. I started a club here at Brown this year, and I found it very helpful to go to the webpage for the Stanford University Footbag club. They have a very good constitution you can copy or base your own on. Another good way to get your club started is by doing footbag demos around campus. What I do is notice whenever there is some cultural or ethnic heritage week around campus, or open mics. These guys are always looking for performers, and it is excellent exposure for the sport of footbag and your own club. Kicking in very visible areas is another good idea, keep an eye out for people who stop to watch, and then tell them you are starting a club and are willing to teach. One last point along these lines. Get an easy to remember e-mail address, and always carry around a notebook and pen. This way you can get contact info from interested parties, and they can easily get in contact with you (My club is Bear Feet, and I KNOW it is easier to remember Bear-Feet@brown.edu than it is Ken_Somolinos@brown.edu). Hope these tips help, and good luck starting up your club. Ken C-F Somolinos Bear Feet From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 00:17:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05690 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:17:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA30947 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:06:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 93382 invoked by alias); 22 Nov 1999 08:06:52 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 93371 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1999 08:06:51 -0000 Received: from rdialup81.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.172.81) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 1999 08:06:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3838FA24.12968158@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:09:08 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Okay, I just read the Paradox tutorial and I'm confused. It explained that a paradox mirage is set from the wrong clipper for a mirage. So doesn't that just make this move a simple pixie set from a clipper delay. Is that exactly what it is but it's considered harder so that's what makes it paradox. I guess my question is "is paradox mirage just a pixie set from a clipper and the wrapping or (snake) aspect is all that makes it a paradox?" I hope this makes sense. M@ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 00:18:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05710 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:18:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA30997 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:14:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 496 invoked by alias); 22 Nov 1999 08:15:05 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 475 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1999 08:15:04 -0000 Received: from rdialup81.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.172.81) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 1999 08:15:04 -0000 Message-ID: <3838FC11.C3011275@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:17:22 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] spins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Are spins 180 or 360 degrees? Is an osis a 180 spin so I turn backwards and catch it on a clipper? Please answer. M@ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 15:51:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06365 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:51:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21425 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:25:29 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FLL00001E77HZ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:25:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:25:55 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Atomic sets In-reply-to: <19991121185758.20083.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Ryan Britt Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ryan Britt wrote: > (eggbeater, atom smasher etc.) I've seen the set done two ways. When I was > watching a video of Peter Irish, he set the bag very high and circled it > with the ankle. However I've seen others go over the bag with the upper > portion of the leg, when the bag is still very low. I just wanted to know > if either way is "better". There are two ways of describing these. The way you see Peter Irish and many others do it its considered "Leggy" and the other way is "Hippy". You should try both ways. I learned eggbeater leggy style, but had an awful time trying to make that set into any other atomic set tricks. Finally I just took two hours out of a day and learned the hippy set. Since then it's the only way for me. Now that's for me. There are also some drawbacks to only doing tricks like that hippy style: 1) It can be harder to set off another trick. though with practice that is overcome. 2) The leggy style is pretty mandatory for some of the bigger tricks where some other dexterity takes place first. Pixie eggbeater, Fairie eggbeater, Bedwetter, Atomic eggbeater, toe blurry eggbeater (anybody hit this by the way?), Nuclear eggbeater (that's huge!!! I wanna see it!!!). 3) Well I had one but now I can't stop picturing trying to land all those moves just mentioned. > I personally think the second way looks nicer, Mmmmmaybe! I love watching leggy style Atom Smashers. > but it seems harder. Again it depends on your style. For me it's infinitely easier. Good luck, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 15:51:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06364 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:51:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.163]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA15958 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:58:25 -0800 Received: (qmail 35209 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1999 11:58:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19991122115812.35207.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.133 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:58:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.133] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Atomic sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:58:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan Britt asked: >Hi everyone. I just had a small question about moves involving atomic sets >(eggbeater, atom smasher etc.) I've seen the set done two ways. When I >was watching a video of Peter Irish, he set the bag very high and circled >it with the ankle. However I've seen others go over the bag with the upper >portion of the leg, when the bag is still very low. I just wanted to know >if either way is "better". I personally think the second way looks nicer, >but it seems harder. Style choise and nothing more. Most people seem to agree that the "hippy" version is much easier but not for everyone. To acentuate the difference many players call the ancle (ie true Jedi like Peter) version "origional recipy" and the hippy version "extra crispy." Try them both and see which one is easier for you. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 15:51:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06363 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:51:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from curly.excite.com ([199.172.153.144]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15527 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:44:55 -0800 Received: from seamore.excite.com ([199.172.148.163]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991122114432.ESTO19682.kuku.excite.com@seamore.excite.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:44:32 -0800 Message-ID: <31349100.943271072349.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:44:32 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] colo shred RULES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 139.142.98.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yo, E.W. wrote: >........"I think you won because that was COOL!" I think World's should be judged like that :) seriously though, I love the concept! Allan Victoria, BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 17:45:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06758 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:45:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27591 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:50:02 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991122133654.LKZR2561.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:36:54 -0800 Message-ID: <38394702.75B10809@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:37:06 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattius@uswest.net CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] spins References: <3838FC11.C3011275@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Wafaie wrote: > > Are spins 180 or 360 degrees? Yes. Sometimes 90 and sometimes 270. > Is an osis a 180 spin so I > turn backwards and catch it on a clipper? Please answer. It goes a little like this: gyro - 1/4 to 1/2 spin spinning 1/2 to full spin inspin - usually over 360 degrees. These are general guidelines. The actual definition of these spins are a bit more complicated. Inspin has a different spin direction than gyro and spinning. You asked about an osis. If you set osis from the opposite clipper, there is very little spin (90 degrees) involved. But, if you set it from the same clipper (also called a far osis) there is a full 360 degree spin. Here's a question for someone - An osis is actually a gyro clipper when set from op clipper or same toe. But, what is it when set from op toe or same clipper? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 17:48:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06768 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:48:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27594 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:50:03 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991122134832.LOQS2561.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:48:32 -0800 Message-ID: <383949BD.25E63885@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:48:45 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattius@uswest.net CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox References: <3838FA24.12968158@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Wafaie wrote: > > Okay, I just read the Paradox tutorial and I'm confused. You aren't the only one... > It > explained that a paradox mirage is set from the wrong > clipper for a mirage. So doesn't that just make this move a > simple pixie set from a clipper delay. A pixie *must* come from a toe set. pixie: toe > same in > whatever fairy: toe > same out > whatever Pdx generally means that you set with a clipper and the set leg does a quick dex. So, clip > same dex > and about a hundred other requirements... I really don't like paradox. It is a patch for the ADD system that only serves to give a bonus point in certain cases where the move feels hard. Funny how everyone seems intent on patching the ADD system again. The ADD system was outdated when the need for paradox arose. > I guess my question is "is paradox mirage just a > pixie set from a clipper and the wrapping or (snake) aspect > is all that makes it a paradox?" I hope this makes sense. Nope... it doesn't make sense :) But, your definition is as good as any other that I've seen. Many of the top freestylers don't see paradox as a problem. Once you get to a level where you can hit most of the moves, you will perfectly understand the paradox concept. You just can't describe it. That puts you and countless other players at a loss. What is paradox? It is a concept that only makes sense once you've been playing with other people that can tell you on a move by move basis. I don't like it, but I'm afraid it is here to stay. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 17:48:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06778 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:48:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27598 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:50:04 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991122135301.LQGJ2561.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:53:01 -0800 Message-ID: <38394ACA.5D63A65@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:53:14 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tom labeff CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's up? References: <19991122021844.15646.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org tom labeff wrote: > > Hey what's up? > I just finished going through the moves list on footbag.org and I was amazed > to see that there isn't spit for tips. Patience patience young one... Steve just added that option to add tips a couple of weeks ago. Having written a few of the tips myself, I know that it is a thankless job (to use Steve's words). I guess I could have written one instead of this email, but this email is a bit more fun. You have more tips on the list than most of us did when we started. Get Tricks of the Trade. It is a video that can teach you more than the list. Text just doesn't do this sport justice. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 17:48:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06788 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:48:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f174.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.174]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27922 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:55:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 63027 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1999 16:49:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19991122164903.63026.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:49:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: mattius@uswest.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] spins Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:49:03 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Matt Wafaie asked: >Are spins 180 or 360 degrees? Is an osis a 180 spin so I >turn backwards and catch it on a clipper? Alright, if you want to learn osis, i suggest you go to www.dallasfootbag.org, and look at their osis tutorial. Osis can be done by setting from one clipper, spinning 180, and then doing another clipper, but not many people do it this way (on Sultans Lon Smith and Brian McKenzie do a couple osi this style). Watch some video of Scott Davidson to get an idea of the normal way of doing osis. Under our current add system, all spins are worth the same. This means that a gyro mirage (180 spin), is worth the same as a spinning mirage (180, but the dex feels somewhat paradox since it isn't in the direction of the spin momentum), which is worth the same as an in-spinning mirage (540?). Gyro whirl is 180, and spinning whirl is 360, and they are worth the same. The spin moves which are most ripped off under the current system are what Eric Wulff calls spinning paradox moves. A mobius consists of two spins really, an initial spin, followed by a torque, but the torque is in the same direction as the spin, so the momentum of the first spin facilitates the second spin. Marius on the other hand, consists of spinning one way, stopping, and then shifting your momentum so you spin the other way. This is much much harder. It is hard to accurately rate the spin moves, because depending on the move done after the spin (usually the dex direction is the important part) the actual difficulty varies. Example: gyro torque is easier than spinning torque, but gyro butterfly is harder than spinning butterfly. Don't get me started on peeking or double spins, this e-mail is already way too long. Happy thanksgiving everybody, Ken "ceiling fan" Somolinos Bear Feet From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 17:49:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06798 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:49:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28184 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:03:18 -0800 Message-ID: <19991122211713.29209.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.216.156.109] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:17:13 PST Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:17:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle turneys??? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I AM most definatly going to compete in freestyle tournaments as soon as I turn 18 in june. Could someone PLEASE send me a private E-mail explaining what it means to "fill the card".. What else do I need to know when competing in tournaments and coming up with routines? Real Real Close to hittin' my first 5-add move (Paradox Torque) though Id rather hit a blurry barfly..but thats much harder.. thanx 4 your time Jamez 'ShreddinEd' Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 17:49:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06808 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:49:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28709 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:20:32 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.cdb13553 (3942); Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:20:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.cdb13553.256b37cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:20:31 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's up? To: freestyle@footbag.org, concentus_tl@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/22/99 2:37:23 AM, concentus_tl@hotmail.com writes: << P.s. Remember the Golden Rule: DEW UN-2 OTHERS AZ U WOOD HAV THEM DEW UN-2 U. >> And here I thought the golden rule was "write like you know how to speak english." ;) Just kiddin, I've done some of those tip things myself, but I think we should all add our own. this kid makes a good point, if we want our sport to grow, we have to support the kid who's just becoming interested. Like he said, share the wealth From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 18:41:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06871 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:41:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31635 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:25:37 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id i.0.f10b11bf (3978); Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:25:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f10b11bf.256b550b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:25:15 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's up? To: concentus_tl@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/21/1999 10:32:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, concentus_tl@hotmail.com writes: > I just finished going through the moves list on footbag.org and I was amazed > to see that there isn't spit for tips. to this i say look at the majellan(sp?) tips. i'm all over that one My name is Josh Childs and i ride the small bus to school. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:03:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07003 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:03:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32041 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:59:32 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FLM00D019IK2N@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:42:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:42:19 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox In-reply-to: <3838FA24.12968158@uswest.net> To: Matt Wafaie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Matt Wafaie wrote: > clipper for a mirage. So doesn't that just make this move a > simple pixie set from a clipper delay. Is that exactly what > it is but it's considered harder so that's what makes it > paradox. I guess my question is "is paradox mirage just a > pixie set from a clipper and the wrapping or (snake) aspect > is all that makes it a paradox?" I understand what you're saying and yes you are more or less correct. I think you are essentially saying that it seems like a paradox pixie instead of a paradox mirage and though I'd never thought of it that way before I'd say you are correct in a sense. There are arguments though. They have to do with where the bag is set from. The idea behind an original mirage is that you set off of one foot while the other circles the bag and the original foot catches the bag again. This idea holds for the clipper version as well. The paradox version argues that the bag is starting from one side of the body (like the original mirage), but with a clipper set, and is winding up on the same side of the body. Anyway, you are not altogether wrong, but you may as well go along with "paradox mirage" if for no other reason than it sounds better than "paradox pixie". Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:03:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07013 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:03:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31975 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:53:43 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.5ac252df (3925) for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5ac252df.256b5bb5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:53:41 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] spins To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Regarding osis, is it an osis if the bag goes from one clip to the other but stays behind you. It never goes in front. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:03:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07023 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:03:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32038 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:59:32 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FLM00B018VLYE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:28:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:28:32 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] spins In-reply-to: <3838FC11.C3011275@uswest.net> To: Matt Wafaie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Matt Wafaie wrote: > Are spins 180 or 360 degrees? Usually they are somewhere in between. The difference between a Spin move and a Gyro move is which leg does a dexterity first. If you do the first dex with the leg you set from it's Gyro. If you do the first dex with your support leg it's spinning. But again, spining and gyrating moves do not necessarily stop at 180 degrees or go a full 360 degrees. Each move is a little different. > Is an osis a 180 spin so I > turn backwards and catch it on a clipper? There is no technical "spin" in a regular osis. The idea in an osis is to carry the bag from one side of the body to the other, which does no involve spinning your body around. If you are doing same side osi then you may find yourself turning your body around more, but there is still no technical "spin" involved unless you are doing "spinning osis" or "gyro-osis". Hope this helps, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:03:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07033 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:03:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32044 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:59:33 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FLM00D019QKEJ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:47:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:47:07 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] 5 add Flyers To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Okay adds are bunk blah blah blah... but lets imagine they exist and are ranked by these imaginary components called dexterities, body movements, flyers, etc.... So with that in mind can anyone name some 5 add flyers they have landed or would like to land. I just thought of a Nuclear Butterflier...oooooooooo. Anyone hit it yet? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:05:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07043 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:05:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from homer.tomahawktech.com (tomahawktech.com [206.191.48.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32541 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:36:20 -0800 Received: from dave (Administrators@localhost) by homer.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA01352 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:35:51 -0500 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <001d01bf3562$85970f80$ef71fea9@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] spins Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >couple osi this style). Watch some video of Scott Davidson to get an idea >of the normal way of doing osis. Normal!?!? You should watch SD if you want to see how to use a spinning osis to recover when you get in trouble! :) Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:16:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07072 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:16:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01728 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:12:21 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10184 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:12:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04416; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:12:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:12:53 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <383949BD.25E63885@dallasfootbag.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I understand the term Paradox to mean "when your body gets in the way of itself" and I agree that it can really only be figured on a move-by-move basis. I question the paradoxness of blur. Sure it has a paradox mirage as a component, but when you move the initial support leg over the bag, you don't have to twist your hips as much. Is blur really a whole add harder than stepping mirage which has no paradox element? And I STILL havn't hit a gyro reverse mirage (because it IS SO paradox). I think it's at least as difficult as a blur, if not more. To any hein kickers out there hitting paradox blur- Is it really equal to a regular blur? Maybe I'm just not coordinated enough yet, but I think it's a lot harder than a regular blur. -thephil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:31:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07126 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:31:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07123 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:31:56 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01930 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:29:22 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (ppp-206-66-71-57 [206.66.71.57]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01151 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:29:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:30:54 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:12 PM -0600 11/22/99, Philip Summers wrote: >I understand the term Paradox to mean "when your body gets in the way of >itself" and I agree that it can really only be figured on a move-by-move >basis. That is simply not the right way to define Paradox. Paradox is two things: (1) a modifier for a move name to describe a harder move where the set does make a difference (2) an add category in and of itself As far as (2) is concerned, we used to say that (and officially we still do) the paradox moves get an extra "body" add, but this is now clearly wrong. It's now very clear that the whole point of "paradox" is that some moves don't fit our system of difficulty, and so basically we've invented a new add category to describe its difficulty. In reality, the shortest way to define paradox, very roughly, is that it's present when the dexterity is more difficult than dexterities of the same motion with a different set. This is simply not a sufficient definition, though, and there is a detailed description of paradox that has generally been agreed on in many previous discussions on this list. >I question the paradoxness of blur. Then you have no understanding (no offense intended) of paradox. >Sure it has a paradox mirage as a >component, but when you move the initial support leg over the bag, you >don't have to twist your hips as much. Of course you do. Don't be silly. But it's not about the hip pivot. It's about the difficulty of the dexterity as a result of the set being on the outside of your setting leg. >Is blur really a whole add >harder than stepping mirage which has no paradox element? What's a stepping mirage? You mean a tapping double-legover from clipper? Sure, it's more difficult beyond a doubt. >And I STILL >havn't hit a gyro reverse mirage (because it IS SO paradox). Of course spinning reverse mirage is paradox. Gyro reverse mirage probably is, too, but we are just now getting to understand paradox in spinning moves. So nobody has really thought about this one too much. >I think it's >at least as difficult as a blur, if not more. Sure. How about gyrating blur? Now that's a doosie. >To any hein kickers out there hitting paradox blur- Is it really equal >to a regular blur? Of *course* it's harder (no I don't hit it yet). Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:43:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07149 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:43:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01844 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:22:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 23489 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1999 05:22:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19991123052242.23488.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:22:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 5 add Flyers Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:22:42 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Brad asked: > So with that in mind can anyone name some 5 add flyers they have >landed Ripped Warrior kick, and Apocalypse (stepping ducking eclipse). I will try stepping ducking same side butterfly kick tomorrow. I'm sure Eric Wulff could hit spinning ducking butterfly kick. Flyers are really cool, people should throw them in their strings more often. Variety is what makes the game fun. happy thanksgiving. Ken CF Somolinos Bear Feet From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:44:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07159 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:44:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01862 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:22:57 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11066 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:23:33 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07742; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:23:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:23:30 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: Re: [freestyle] spins To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <38394702.75B10809@dallasfootbag.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Derric Scalf wrote: > > Are spins 180 or 360 degrees? > > Yes. Sometimes 90 and sometimes 270. > It goes a little like this: > > gyro - 1/4 to 1/2 spin > spinning 1/2 to full spin > inspin - usually over 360 degrees. I thought that the body point awarded for a spin was there not because your body spins a certain amount of degrees, but because the bag moves out of your arc of vision for a moment (the same reason ducking moves get an add). Inspinning osis requires more degree of spin than spinning osis, but in both moves your eyes go off the bag twice- 2 body adds. -thephil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:44:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07170 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:44:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01899 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:28:08 -0800 Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11400 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:28:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konrad@localhost) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08068; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:28:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:28:41 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers Subject: Re: [freestyle] 5 add Flyers To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Brad Kaplan wrote: > So with that in mind can anyone name some 5 add flyers they have > landed or would like to land. Pogo paradox dragonfly!! That is, if pogo still gets a body add. I bet EW could hit a blurry ducking butterflier. -thephil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 22 21:52:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07182 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:52:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02038 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:41:00 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA632 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:41:34 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] What's up? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:41:35 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01bf3575$67ff65e0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tom Labeff, what's up wit dat? It seems you have not been on this list but a nano-second. I say that because with a post like that a certain someone would've ripped you long ago. Also, if you had been on at all you would know that footbag.org is getting updated all the time and more freestyle instruction stuff is coming. This site already has a tremendous amount of info. and has been organized in such a way that some people can't find their way around it without putting in a few seconds of their time. Go out and play and learn from experience. Get the instruction and video and other help wherever you can. Footbag.org is your #1 place for any of that. But it is not your right to be served by footbag.org... it is your great privilege. This site was created and is maintained by about 1/4 of a person and 1/8 of several others. It is completely funded by personal money and time. Neither of which this sport has... but luckily a few generous footbag lovin people happen to have a little .. money not time. And that money was not earned through foobag of course. That's my >tip-a-day to survive< for today. in love... ew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 07:27:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07725 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:27:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f195.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.195]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA05859 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:25:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 24754 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1999 14:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19991123142600.24753.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:26:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle turneys??? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:26:00 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Jamez Risden Real Real Close to hittin' my first 5-add move >(Paradox Torque) though Id rather hit a blurry >barfly..but thats much harder.. Killer. Pdx. Torque is a nice five. And, yes, so is blurriest--this move cannot be referred to as blurry, as blurry implies a pdx component. Barfly has no pdx component present and therefore blurry barfly does not exist. To describe it as you just did, it would be 'steppping barfly' (as barfly already implies opp side you do not have to say 'stepping op barfly'). You know, I realize I am saying this just to hear my head rattle and Derric is probably the only person who agrees with me, but did anyone notice that I had to use the word 'imply' twice in my short explanation. I believe there way too many implications right now... And that is all I am saying. Late, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 12:12:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08026 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:12:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.155]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13103 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:05:45 -0800 Received: (qmail 62153 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1999 20:05:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19991123200554.62152.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:05:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.98] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:05:54 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian Dubman wrote: >Killer. Pdx. Torque is a nice five. And, yes, so is blurriest--this >move cannot be referred to as blurry, as blurry implies a pdx >component. Barfly has no pdx component present and therefore blurry >barfly does not exist. To describe it as you just did, it would be >'steppping barfly' Ok I propose a convention, anytime any of us write about freestyle terminology (especially but not limited to paradox) it must be encapsulated by "I think" or "in my opinion." I challenge anyone not using this introductory clause to show me where the ancients managed to engrave these various defenitions I keep reading in stone. Someone DID orriginally coin all these terms, and the versions I read here vary rarely agree with the orriginal version, which would almost make an "I propose the following change" necissary. Just because you (plural inclusive) have an oppinion (even possibly a very good one) does NOT make it the only one. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 14:12:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08214 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:12:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (sunilj@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [165.123.88.131]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16447 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:02:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SAS.05) with ESMTP id RAA06806 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:02:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: Sunil Jani cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal In-Reply-To: <19991123200554.62152.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian Dubman wrote: > > >Killer. Pdx. Torque is a nice five. And, yes, so is blurriest--this Which incited Andrew McCargar to bitch: > > Ok I propose a convention, anytime any of us write about freestyle > terminology (especially but not limited to paradox) it must be encapsulated > by "I think" or "in my opinion." > Just because you (plural inclusive) have an oppinion > (even possibly a very good one) does NOT make it the only one. To all this I