From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 00:03:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22021 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:03:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04460 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:29:23 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991201073043.UFLP1169.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:30:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3844CF54.7A8FF568@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 01:33:40 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Cecconi CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Pixie???'s References: <0.3d23771a.2575c501@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Cecconi wrote: > > I did the double pixie but after the toe set with my right leg, I jumped > strong off of my left leg and did the first pixie dex from in to out w/ the > setting let. W/O landing on my left leg, I landed on my right leg and jumped > hard off of my RIGHT (setting and dexing) leg and completed the other dex > catching it on my left which never touched the ground. The move you describe would be a pixie same side symposium mirage. Yes, you do get symposium. It is a good four ADD move. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 00:04:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22032 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:04:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (mail.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05107 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:58:17 -0800 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA2332; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:59:35 -0800 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: Joshua Feltman , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hips dont fail me now... X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.51 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:59:35 -0800 Message-ID: <772826EB172A.AAA2332@mail.csuchico.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Joshua Feltman wrote: >Greetings All-- When I first started kicking a few months ago, my legs >and knees hurt. Then it was my back (mostly from stooping to pick up >the bag so much). Both of those passed with time and continued >practice. Now the trouble is my hips, particularly the outside of my >legs. The pain is not excruciating or anything, but sometimes my hips >hurt enough that I find myself not wanting to kick. Has anyone else >experienced this? Is it normal for beginners? Yes, many people have experienced this problem with the hips. It is normal to feel pain at first, but it should go away with stretching and strengthening. >Should I just take some >Advil and keep playing, or is it better to lay off for a while? If the pain is there before or during play then you defeniently want to stop playing for awhile. Let the body heal itself. Would you rather play for a lifetime or for a couple of days? Advil and any other over the counter drug is only masking the problem, NOT healing it. Ice is best when you first injure an area (although it is dificult to ice the hip joint) and then heating will help with recovery. >I don't >want to stop kicking, but at the same time, I don't want to further >injure myself. Also, I have been stretching before I kick, and I was >wondering if anyone could recommend some good stretches for the hips. >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > One great stretch that I love to do for the hip goes as follows: Sit down, cross one foot over the opposite leg so that the ankle is near the knee. Then pull the striaght leg to the chest. This should stretch the outer hip area. Switch legs. The other stretch: start on your hands and knees, place one leg in front of you so that you are balanced (one leg in front of you at 90 degrees, one leg behind you at 90 degrees) Then lean toward your front leg as if doing the splints. Another stretch is the butterfly stretch. Sit down, soles of the feet together and as close to the body as possible. Then push your knees down to the ground. I hope this helps you some. If you're interested in some more info on stretches or strength training, write me back: guru@mailcsuchico.edu I'd love to chat. Good luck with it. Tara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 08:01:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22470 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:01:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f149.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.149]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA25682 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:43:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 36981 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1999 15:44:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19991201154434.36980.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 1999 07:44:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New for me and name ideas Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:44:34 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Brad proposed: > Also If these moves do not have names then I have suggestions: > > Nuclear butterflier: MOTHRA OK, i just have to say this is by far the best proposed move name I've heard in the last year. My only issue is I feel "Mothra" should be a three dex flyer, since mothra had three heads and could fly. How about a shooting butterflier? I know it's possible, since i've hit it but not sealed it. I'd like to propose that ducking blurriest be called Leviathan. I'm pretty sure I've hit this clean and sealed it a couple times since worlds. Let me know what you all think(especially you Brad regarding the Mothra thing). Thanks, Ken CF Somolinos Bear Feet From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 08:40:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22512 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:40:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199912011640.IAA22512@list.footbag.org> X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: "Eric Wulff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: brat@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style... Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 01:53:06 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 166.90.37.157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Eric "Ironman" here in gameshow host mode to make an announcement. "Trivia Style's" pilot episode begins today "Right Here... Right Now"(if I may quote a great band).. :). If the ratings are good enough and I can keep up this will be a continued feature on the freestyle list. Sponsored by the brat himself, Steve Goldberg :). The ironman will be throwin trivia out to all you ironheads.. :) out there and keepin track of how you all are doin. Questions will be rated in difficulty and the highest total score at the end a a designated period, to be announced, will win a "Team Brat" sponsorship (pro entry fee) at the tourney of their choice in 2000, compliments of Steve Goldberg. 1. This is for fun first. Debate all you want about the subject matter but keep this in mind. 2. If I'm ever caught wrong, which could very well happen, the person correcting me gets double the points of the question I gave a wrong answer to. 3. Some classes of participants may be defined... i.e., new schoolers division & old schoolers division 4. You can debate on the list as much as you like BUT YOUR FINAL ANSWER THAT COUNTS MUST BE SENT TO ME AT *THIS* E-MAIL ADDRESS. NOT THE ONE I USUALLY POST WITH BUT MY FOOTBAG.ORG ADDRESS WHICH I USED TO SEND THIS POST. Only your first answer counts and after the answers are posted you no longer will be eligible obviously. I don't think that certain old schoolers will be eligible for the "prize" but can certainly join in and keep track of points. We'll define this later. Maybe we can even keep track of results on fw somewhere. Anyway, I will post questions a couple times a week and on no set schedule so be sure to tune into the list to keep up! Okay, for starters lets answer some of the questions posed earlier this week. It's Black Hole of Hein week on "Trivia Style"!!!!! Black Hole of Hein was 1 of a select few 3 person freestyle teams from "back in the day" when stylers could compete in team freestyle with up to 3 people. Members... Kenny Shultz, Rick Reese, David Yevin 1st kicked to(at worlds) "Momentary Lapse Of Reason" off the album of the same name by Pink Floyd. Today's questions... 1. In 3 parts... What were the nicknames of all 3 members of BHH as announced "Back In the Day" when they first competed at worlds. Rick - 1 add David - 5 adds Kenny - 7 adds 2. Worth 3 adds each... name as many 3 member freestyle teams as you can. Anyway you can... first name, last name or nicknames, or team names. Any format is acceptable. Hope ya like it... if ya do there will be more to come Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 15:20:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22874 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:20:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06566 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:59:58 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26948 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:01:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:01:19 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] spinning blender Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone hit a spinning blender, inspinning blender, or gyro blender? I didn't see any of these in fw movelist. -thephil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 18:36:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23210 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:36:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f174.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.174]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12433 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:08:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 68364 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 1999 02:09:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19991202020935.68363.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.132.70.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:09:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.132.70.142] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning blender Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:09:35 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy. Phil asked: > >Has anyone hit a spinning blender, inspinning blender, or gyro blender? Yep, Kenny Shults hits a real nice one on the 96 tam tam jam video. Rippin' also hits one on that vid. On Sultans, Eli hits ducking butterfly to spinning blender, and Brian McKenzie hits like 5 5 adds in a row, and one of them is a spining blender, albeit an unsealed one. It's a real pretty move. Shred hard everybody. Ceiling Fan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 18:36:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23205 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:36:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08820 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:02:11 -0800 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.37.251] helo=funazs) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11tJib-000157-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000901bf3c57$e132fe20$fb25a4d8@hlb.cable.rcn.com> From: "MIke Furnari" To: Subject: [freestyle] laver modification Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Yeah i know, iknow that it says how to do it on the site, but....my lavers dont have any canvas on the inside, its all the same material, if i am missing something can someone please point me in the right direction, thanks alot Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 18:36:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23200 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:36:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08148 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:42:22 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991201234342.FOAR1169.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:43:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3845B36C.B952CFD@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:46:52 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Summers CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning blender References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Philip Summers wrote: > > Has anyone hit a spinning blender, inspinning blender, or gyro blender? Kenny hits spinning blender a the Tam Tam Jam on one of the tapes (is it '97 Shred?). I'm glad you asked about the gyro blender. I do think that this can be a move. But, how different is it from a swirl? Think about it... the only difference would be which direction your head is facing during the dex. Many things will be added to the move list when we get some consistency in the names. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 23:07:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23439 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:07:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18657 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:01:43 -0800 Received: from [128.104.49.78] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id BAA154420 (8.9.1/50); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:03:02 -0600 Message-Id: <4.1.19991202002423.009111d0@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: aredgert@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 01:10:44 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Aaron Edgerton Subject: [freestyle] mobius Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up freestylers, This is my first time posting. I go to school here up in cold ass Madison Wisconsin where me and a small group of others play inside 'cause it's cold out there. I met some of you at Worlds this year with my buddy Matt Kain, and I would have posted earlier, but I didn't feel I was in a position to (that whole not guiltless thing you know). To those of you I met at worlds (Ian, Eli, Derric, Tony Glick, Josh Childs), what's up? I hope the bag's been kind to you. Now to my question: I was wondering if anyone could give me some pointers on how to do a mobius. I've seen the Eric Wulff video a million times, but I can't do what he does (I can torque, and I can spin, it's just putting those two together that gets me--Really I just want to know if I shoud speed through the spin, or jump and twist early, shit like that ). I've been checking the tips on the freestyle list daily. For 5 adders there's not much. Also, if anyone has any tips on hitting flurry, I'd appreciate hearing some of them too. (I can hit barrage and clipper-dlo well.) Thanks, Aaron Edgerton Madison Freestyle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 1 23:54:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23475 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:54:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20028 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:48:34 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FM300801SFADI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:49:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 00:49:58 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] New for me and name ideas In-reply-to: <19991201154434.36980.qmail@hotmail.com> To: KeN Somolinos Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, KeN Somolinos wrote: > Brad proposed: > > Also If these moves do not have names then I have suggestions: > > > > Nuclear butterflier: MOTHRA > > OK, i just have to say this is by far the best proposed move name I've heard > in the last year. My only issue is I feel "Mothra" should be a three dex > flyer, since mothra had three heads and could fly. How about a shooting > butterflier? Actually Hydra was the three headed one and maybe that should go with the shooting butterflier instead of nuclear dragonfly. But I thought that since they were transformed by nuclear explosions that it would be cool to assign the names to nuclear set moves. They are proposed names as I have not landed them and have no rights to naming them. Thanks for loving them. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 13:34:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24272 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Mark Leeman Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (root@electra.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.23]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17559 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:15:47 -0800 Received: from antares.cc.umanitoba.ca (umleema0@antares.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.26]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA07869 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:16:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from umleema0@localhost) by antares.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA28445 ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:16:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:16:55 -0600 (CST) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] First caller,pdx drifter In-Reply-To: <199911280318.TAA17055@list.footbag.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's going on freestylers, This is my first time using this email discussion, so bare with me please. The other day me and some freinds were kicking and this discussion came up about the paradox drifer that i thought i was hitting, then when my friend pointed something out to me and i realized i was not doing it right, we think. So this is my question for those of you that can help us figure this problem out: When i do the paradox dirfer, set from my right clipper i bring the same leg from into out, no problem yet, but when i catch the bag, i am not catching it in front of my left leg. I mean that i am still doing the paradox set and still catching it with the same leg in a cross body delay, but when i do catch the bag it is kind of behing my left leg(support leg), and off to the right side a bit. So i want to know if this is still a four add or is it a three because i may not be catching the bag in the right spot to count as a cross body delay. If it is a different move does it have a name? I couldn't see it on the move list if it is there. So any responce will be helpful. If i didn't make myself clear please let me know and i will try to re-phrase my wording. P.S. Off the top of my head, when you people skooled your four add's or three's do you find it better to have a lot of moves that you are trying to hit, or do you focus on one trick until you can hit perfectly. Marq From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 15:42:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24462 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:42:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18807 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:00:46 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA15305; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:02:13 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:17:22 -0600 To: Philip Summers , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning blender Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Phil! >Has anyone hit a spinning blender, inspinning blender, or gyro blender? >I didn't see any of these in fw movelist. I've hit spinning blender a couple of times, it is a knee buster to be certain. As for Gyro Blender, I call that Peeking Swirl, but it is what I think you are referring to as gyro blender. It doesn't "feel" like a five add move, but it technically is. As for inspinning blender, dude, you are seeing things way ahead of your time... thanks for the insight, keep it coming along! On another note, how about others I am hitting: Backside Symposium Blizzard Blurry Symposium Whirl on both sides (not in same string, but close) Ducking Symposium Paradox Whirl Backside Symposium Blur with a slurry set. (Daryl, you are probably the only one who *really* understands my definition of slurry set, I showed you that when you were in town two weeks ago, didn't I?) Speaking of celebrities, Greg Nelson was in town last weekend, and so was Joey Marschall and Sebastian Perron (although I didn't get to hook up with joey and sebastian), so Chicago has been hoppin' lately. See ya! Enlightener Scott Davidson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 15:42:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24472 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:42:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19136 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:14:10 -0800 Received: from [24.226.9.44] (cgowave-9-44.cgocable.net [24.226.9.44]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22127 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:15:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912022215.RAA22127@admin.cgocable.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:13:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] laver modification From: "Neil Bearse" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike wrote: > my lavers dont have any canvas on the inside, its all the same material, if i >am missing something can someone please point me in the right direction, >thanks alot > Mike Dont worry about that canvas part.. just cut the stitching to make the toe box..... thats the important part. Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 16:40:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24527 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:40:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23656; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:31:48 -0800 Received: from storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.41]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DF714E4; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA10194; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:33:17 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAy9VyyselgNNTXo8w/bkevDySQzoCFD35uDuZlt66a0ygfabRvEgH8WcA From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:33:17 -0500 (EST) To: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning blender Message-ID: <6905-38470FCD-720@storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Scott Davidson 's message of Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:17:22 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Scott, you said; "" Speaking of celebrities, Greg Nelson was in town last weekend "" hehe.......I don't know about all that. But I DO know those were some pretty phat tricks you threw down on your post. And don't forget that super duper fly I saw you bustin' ! GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 17:51:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24759 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:51:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: William Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25779 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:43:02 -0800 Received: from CSPW (CS-PW [156.156.156.59]) by symail.syda.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id YB7RT7NL; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:44:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf3d2e$8c885c80$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> To: Subject: [freestyle] Frustration Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:34:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I am bugged out. I am following all this stuff on the list and taking up a lot of the stuff that relates to the "basics" and it is all great. But Seeing what you guys can do and where some of the people on the list have gone has blown me away. I practice when I can but it doesn't seem to be enough. What kept you guys going when you all started? How long did you guys stay at the beginner level (ie. working on clippers, butterfly, mirage, pixie, atw, etc.). I know practicing with others is necessary. I have never really hack with any one other than ok "hackers" and I don't seem to be progressing very fast. I really want to go to a tournament but am waiting for one to be nearby (Philly, NY ,or Montreal). Anyways, I amsorry to bitch and moan on the list but looking for inspiration from you guys and some pointers on how to progress. William "Waiting to Fly" Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 18:00:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24782 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:00:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26012 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:49:06 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA536 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:50:36 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Re: mobius Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:50:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01bf3d30$cd3e4d00$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Aaron Edgerton, check mobius tips on fw now... http://www.footbag.org/moves/show/904102177 Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 18:48:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24820 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:48:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27259 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:28:25 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12833 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:29:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:29:43 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] phat tricks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit an opposite side symposium reverse whirl at the end of a string WOO! Does this move have a special name? If you threw a swirl at the end of it, it would be a PHAT 5 add move. I was trying to do the swirl at the same time as the whirl with myfeet almost touching. It's really hard and I kept kicking the bag instead of jumping over it :( -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 19:12:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24863 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:12:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f128.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.128]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28297 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:04:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 3692 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 1999 03:05:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19991203030533.3691.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:05:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] phat tricks Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:05:32 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi. Phil asked: > >I hit an opposite side symposium reverse whirl at the end of a string WOO! >Does this move have a special name? >If you threw a swirl at the end of it, it would be a PHAT 5 add move. I >was trying to do the swirl at the same time as the whirl with myfeet >almost touching. the last move you described is a double helix. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 2 20:14:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24921 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:14:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29704 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:07:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 30998 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 1999 04:08:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19991203040801.30997.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.64.223.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:08:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.150] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Torque. Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:08:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I just feel so good today. I hit my first regular torque today! Not crispy torque, regular! My shred posse said it looked really clean and it was infront of a lot of people. After I hit it, I heard some kid go "jes-- chr--", so I was pumped about that. :) Just have to try and hit it weakside now! Now that Ive hit it, I want to start getting it like cake. Hey Peter Irish, you on this list? Your the torque master! Anyone know any drills to get better at this move? Ive looked at the write up at dallasfootbag and that helped, but I would like additional info. My back gets really sore after doing a torque (its a perfect name for this move, it really pulls back muscles) and does anyone know a good exercise to increase flex? Or muscle? Much appreciated. P.S Thanks to all of you who repsonded to my "Problems with my Juice" email. I fixed it with fabric glue....Almost took a needle to it, thank goodness I didnt. FOOTBAG RULES! KEEP SHREDDIN' HARD! Jeff "The Man O' War" Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 09:14:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25561 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:14:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.81]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA21135 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:28:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 51226 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 1999 14:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19991203142906.51225.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 06:29:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: mobius Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:29:06 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Eric Wulff" Aaron Edgerton, check mobius tips on fw now... > >http://www.footbag.org/moves/show/904102177 Eric et al., I have a question regarding the tips on mobius. I do not understand why you should skool spinning mirage. Skooling spinning osis makes total sense. If you remove the dex (screwed up way of thinking about it, but it is true--in my opinion), that is all this move is. But, the mirage part is gyro not spinning, right?? I don't see how skooling spinning mirage helps here--maybe with marius, but not here. Fill me in, please. Later, Ian D. MUFF PS I tried to becareful in my wording and not give them impression that I know what exactly I am talking about because I have not hit mobius (thus, I don't know what I am talking about), but I have tried on several occasions--less than spectacular results, and also, so I do not piss-off anyone with SuperAnal ideas of what the formats of our posts on a open forum should look like... I get tired of the bitching... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 09:15:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25566 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:15:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f165.hotmail.com [216.32.181.165]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25360 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:07:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 60102 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 1999 17:08:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19991203170851.60101.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:08:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] First caller,pdx drifter Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:08:51 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Mark, >When i do the paradox dirfer, set from my right clipper i bring the >same >leg from into out, no problem yet, but when i catch the bag, i >am not >catching it in front of my left leg. I mean that i am still >doing the >paradox set and still catching it with the same leg in a >cross body delay, >but when i do catch the bag it is kind of behing my >left leg(support leg), >and off to the right side a bit. Oh, boy. Your problem sounds exactly like the one I was having weeks ago. I did the exact same move, thinking I was hitting pdx drifter and then "my boys" started telling me that I was getting Da Da Curve not pdx drifter so maybe that's your problem. You're getting the DD Curve. If I'm wrong, stylers, please correct me. Peace, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 09:33:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25595 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:33:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f75.hotmail.com [216.32.181.75]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25627 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:14:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 6920 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 1999 17:15:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19991203171548.6919.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:15:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Helix Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:15:48 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, Just wondering what is a helix? Notation? To Ken Somolinos: The video is nearing completion, bro. Keep in touch. Peace all, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 09:53:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25626 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:53:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26508 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:43:21 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA04174 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:44:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: mobius Message-Id: <000000772303027088070@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:47:50 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 8:29:06 AM US CST Ian Dubman wrote: >why you should skool spinning mirage. Skooling spinning osis makes total >sense. If you remove the dex (screwed up way of thinking about it, but it is Ian - being another person that's never hit mobius, I don't know what I'm talking about either. But I personally have much more difficulty with the timing of the gyro mirage than the spinning osis. That's why I would think that getting the gyro mirage (for me anyway) would be more important than the spinning osis. YMMV. By the way, any word on a Saturday indoor site yet? I'm itching to kick... ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle The fossilized chicken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 11:53:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25745 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:53:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29729 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:34:46 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA05210; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:17 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199911280318.TAA17055@list.footbag.org> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:51:49 -0600 To: Mark Leeman , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] First caller,pdx drifter Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Mark and all! At 3:16 PM -0600 12/2/99, Mark Leeman wrote: >P.S. Off the top of my head, when you people skooled your four add's or >three's do you find it better to have a lot of moves that you are trying >to hit, or do you focus on one trick until you can hit perfectly. First I master the individual moves. Then I skool them in strings by linking them with other moves of similar difficulty. So master the moves, then string them together. Practice makes better. Shred. :-) Drop. :-( Repeat. :-) And for all of you whom I just offended, try: Shred. :-) Pass. :-) Repeat :-) See ya! Enlightener Scott Davidson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 11:53:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25740 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:53:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29715 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:34:39 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA05146; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:10 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991202002423.009111d0@students.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:47:49 -0600 To: Aaron Edgerton , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] mobius Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Aaron and all! At 1:10 AM -0800 12/2/99, Aaron Edgerton wrote: >This is my first time posting. I go to school here up in cold ass Madison >Wisconsin where me and a small group of others play inside 'cause it's cold >out there. I met some of you at Worlds this year with my buddy Matt Kain, >and I would have posted earlier, but I didn't feel I was in a position to >(that whole not guiltless thing you know). To those of you I met at worlds >(Ian, Eli, Derric, Tony Glick, Josh Childs), what's up? I hope the bag's >been kind to you. If you think it's cold now, just wait a month. And when it is *actually* cold out (this is the first year in recorded history that we got zero snow in November, maybe all you escapees who fled to San Francisco might want to rethink the move, ha, ha), you might want to make a Sunday day-trip to our classes in Mt. Prospect's near famous "RecPlex" facility, where classes are always free for out-of-staters passing through (otherwise $20 per 7 week session). Sundays from 1-4. Contact me before you come out, to make sure all is well that week, as we travel alot. >Now to my question: I was wondering if anyone could give me some pointers >on how to do a mobius. I've seen the Eric Wulff video a million times, but >I can't do what he does (I can torque, and I can spin, it's just putting >those two together that gets me--Really I just want to know if I shoud >speed through the spin, or jump and twist early, shit like that ). My only tip is to skool the components of mobius... osis, spinning osis, mirage, gyro mirage and torque. Once you can do all of those without trouble, then mobius will just happen. >I've >been checking the tips on the freestyle list daily. For 5 adders there's >not much. Also, if anyone has any tips on hitting flurry, I'd appreciate >hearing some of them too. (I can hit barrage and clipper-dlo well.) Thanks, My only tip on hitting flurry, is to not take advice from me, 'cause it is still a great mystery how to hit it (I am only close when the first dex is stepping followed by a double leg over). Try asking Ryan M., he is master of all things flurry. Hope to see you in the windy city soon! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 15:24:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26001 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Dave Cecconi Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03380 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:56:32 -0800 Received: from DukeBluDevils@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.e62e1e5d (3865) for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:57:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.e62e1e5d.2579a4d7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:57:27 EST Subject: [freestyle] Whirl + Swirl? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am really havin a hard time understanding this whirl, swirl stuff. I hit today what I BELIEVE is a whirl to swirl. I'm not even sure i am doin either one so could sum1 pleez help. Ok I set the bag w/ a toe on my right foot. I edged forward a little and turned 90 degrees to my left while dexxin in to out with my left leg. I then turned 90 degrees more in the same direction while bringing my right leg from out to in over the bag (this is the part i'm confused w/. This is practically a butterfly but I think i'm using my hips to turn while i'm dexxing.) Then i landed in a left foot clipper delay. I guess the job would be Toe>Op In (whirl)>Op Out (swirl)>Op Clip I'm not sure how to job a whirl or swirl cuz there is a semi hip turn in there. Pleez don't get mad if i mixed that whole thing up. I need so much more understanding about the whirls and swirls. -Thanx for readin -Dave Cecconi From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 15:26:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26011 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:26:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03985; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:17:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA21728; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:18:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian Verhoef To: Scott Davidson cc: Philip Summers , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning blender In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Scott Davidson wrote: > I've hit spinning blender a couple of times, it is a knee buster to be > certain. As for Gyro Blender, I call that Peeking Swirl, but it is what I > think you are referring to as gyro blender. It doesn't "feel" like a five > add move, but it technically is. As for inspinning blender, dude, you are > seeing things way ahead of your time... Spinning blenders are fun; they seem so dramatic when they are hit (probably cause its an insane move). As for gyro blender, I'm curious to see how you do the move. I can hit it on a fairly consistant basis but this seems like a move where everyone has a unique style of doing it. When I do gyro blender, my setting foot never touches the ground. As for inspinning blender, that's a tad out of my league. Though I think it's definitely possible. A good warm up move for that trick is inspinning whirl (FUN!!). Adrian Verhoef -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 17:31:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26287 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:31:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f256.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.29]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06852 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:01:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 18267 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1999 01:02:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19991204010244.18266.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.150.50.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:02:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.150.50.129] From: "tom labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Unknown Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:02:44 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OK, I have a move that I can't place. I looked for it in Jobs on F.W., but I don't trust my ability to read Jobs yet. It goes as follows, and usually is started by dropping a lap-stall (you know what that is) through to a clipper, then Doing an out to in ATW-toe stall. If that didn't make sense, I'll leave out the lap stall part and try Jobs: clip(xbd)>op out(dex)>same toe(del) Did I do Jobs right? Does that make sense? If so, is there a name? Do I have the adds right? Is this in the least a Good move? Anybody help me? Goin' tiltless!!!! Tom 'Obi-Wan' LaBeff---Schwinn's got a slow leak. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 3 20:31:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26459 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:31:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12701 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:18:50 -0800 Received: from storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.41]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAB838ED; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA29564; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:20:17 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ7HFa0pvfceDPmCqohpkddCRqL2wIVAMJhrSpRZge+oU7pdC9Gu7TdV/VA From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:20:17 -0500 (EST) To: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle "Presentation" Card Message-ID: <590-38489681-1861@storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Scott and all; >Especially the "Linking and Distribution" >and "Planes and Travel" categories >should be quantified so there is no >question as to what the judges are >looking for. You mean you don't like; The better you do at doing a bunch of big add stuff without breaking it up with kicks, the better you do at "linking and distribution". ? And , if you do some low, medium and high kicks, and cover more of the area than anyone, you get the best "planes and travel" ? >Originality and Personality are one >category worth two points total. Uhmmm....so....Originality is stuff that isn't seen done. And Personality is how well you come across. i.e. if you interact with the audience, and how much you look like you're having fun, right ? Hard stuff to count objectively. Greg Nelson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 4 09:21:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26992 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:21:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06088 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:32:20 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991204163358.DKIF1169.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:33:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3849429D.72B9C2CC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:34:37 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tom labeff CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Unknown References: <19991204010244.18266.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org tom labeff wrote: > > OK, I have a move that I can't place. I looked for it in Jobs on F.W., but > I don't trust my ability to read Jobs yet. It goes as follows, > > clip(xbd)>op out(dex)>same toe(del) > > Did I do Jobs right? mostly. You don't get any ADDs for a set, so the real notation would be: clip > op out [dex] > same toe [del]. This is called a "legover". Actually, a legover can be set from anywhere as is noted on FW in the two-ADD section. The generic Job's notation for a legover is: Set > op out [dex] > same toe [del] where 'set' implies any possible set (toe, clip, dragon, heel, etc.) > If so, is there a name? Yep. Legover. > Do I have the adds right? Almost, see above. > Is this in the least a Good move? Legovers are key in many many many moves. I'm thinking of double legover, eggbeater, merkon, etc. All of the two ADD moves are important because you can build off of them. > Goin' tiltless!!!! Good for you. It is rare to see a good tiltless player. Most people skip that phase and go straight into being bad guiltless players. Stick with tiltless for a while, you'll be glad you did. Shred on. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 4 13:23:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27150 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:23:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f170.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.170]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11468 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:47:39 -0800 Received: (qmail 18576 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1999 20:48:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991204204849.18575.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.150.50.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Dec 1999 12:48:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.150.50.129] From: "tom labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pants&Shorts Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 14:48:49 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ya know, I have never shredded in anything but pants. I just got done watching a healthy portion of videos off of Dallas' page, (by the way, Derric, I want to tell you, after seeing those videos, I'll take your advice any day) ...healthy portion of videos off of Dallas' page, and I noticed that every last one of them is wearing shorts. Matter-a fact, I've never seen any pros play in anything but shorts! Does any one out there NOT wear shorts? I know pants can get in the way, but does it make that much of a difference? Any recommendations for shorts? Runnin' low on sunshine.... Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28356 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14061 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:42:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FM800M01N6EPU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:44:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 15:44:37 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frustration In-reply-to: <000d01bf3d2e$8c885c80$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> To: William Wells Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, William Wells wrote: > I practice when I can but it doesn't seem to be enough. What kept you guys > going when you all started? How long did you guys stay at the beginner level > (ie. working on clippers, butterfly, mirage, pixie, atw, etc.). I know about frustration as well. For me it's hitting big tricks but very short strings. I realized last night that my average string gets up to about 6 tricks. I have longer ones and shorter ones. The only thing I can say is that you hit a lot of glass ceilings in this game and eventually you break through them with enough work or sometimes with a random act of chaos. > I know practicing with others is necessary. I have never really hack with > any one other than ok "hackers" and I don't seem to be progressing very > fast. I really want to go to a tournament but am waiting for one to be > nearby (Philly, NY ,or Montreal). Get tapes. The other night I got to watch the first half hour of "sultans" for the first time and I got so excited I started blowing out some of the best combos I've ever hit. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28396 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f45.hotmail.com [216.32.181.45]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16997 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:22:52 -0800 Received: (qmail 91904 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1999 16:24:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19991205162406.91903.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.95 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:24:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.95] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] infinity Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:24:06 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi, someone explained to me what an infinity was, but i forgot :-| is it just a right/left butterfly into a left/right butterfly? i searched the footbag.org movelist Steve, found nothing. did i confuse "infinity" with another name? -Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28351 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13876 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:32:18 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.45470bf9 (5775) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:33:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.45470bf9.257af0b6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:33:26 EST Subject: [freestyle] whirls To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello stylers, I have been practicing my whirls for a while now and I still haven't hit one. My friend Jamez said that I wasn't circling the bag. So can any of you whirl hitters out there give me any advice. Thanks, Adam"ShredinnJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28366 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14310 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:55:43 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FM800H01NRNVT@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:57:23 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 15:57:23 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pants&Shorts In-reply-to: <19991204204849.18575.qmail@hotmail.com> To: tom labeff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I know pants can get in the way, but does it make that much of a difference? > Any recommendations for shorts? Yes it does. For the first year I only wore jeans because I have these skinny little chicken legs. Then I tried shorts in the privacy of my own home one day and realized my vanity would have to take a back seat. For certain tricks at the beginner level you can get away with pants, but later on the harder tricks really require the freedom of mobility shorts give you. Unless you're Big Add Chad in "She's All That". Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28371 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14497 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:05:25 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id z.0.49f61fb (5775) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:06:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.49f61fb.257af877@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:06:31 EST Subject: [freestyle] move question To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello stylers I was watchin a Peter Irish vid when I saw him hit a move that I have been wonderin about. The job notation is toe>op out>spin>op clip. Somethin like that. Its a rev mirage ending in an osis. Thanks for the help Adam"ShredinnJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28391 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA10600 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 05:16:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 13788 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1999 13:17:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19991205131726.13787.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Dec 1999 05:17:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.5] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pants&Shorts Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 05:17:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org tom labeff Wrote: >Matter-a fact, I've never seen any pros play in anything but shorts! >Does any one out there NOT wear shorts? I know pants can get in the >way, but does it make that much of a difference? I started playing in pants (anyone who¥s been to Portland knows we get sun about every other year) and actually got very good in them. I was even hitting blurs and ripwalk on both sides wearing jeans. (BIG) however, shorts do make a reallly big difference, especially if you want to do any dextarity moves, ie most moves. Also when I finally started wearing shorts the length of my runs almost doubled. You really don¥t reallize how much pants slow you down and get in the way till you swich. Although on the plus side wearing pants my dexs were very defined (because other wise the bag would run into stray fabric). As for other options many have aluded to playing naked in the dark, something I¥ve yet to try. > Any recommendations for shorts? Look for shorts that are so small people think you¥re wearing underwear, or even better extra tight spandex. Less is better, for your game if not astetically. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28386 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24371 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:43:17 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04698; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 00:44:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 00:44:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: KeN Somolinos cc: konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] phat tricks In-Reply-To: <19991203030533.3691.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Hi. > Phil asked: > > > >I hit an opposite side symposium reverse whirl at the end of a string WOO! > >Does this move have a special name? > > >If you threw a swirl at the end of it, it would be a PHAT 5 add move. I > >was trying to do the swirl at the same time as the whirl with myfeet > >almost touching. > > the last move you described is a double helix. I thought double helix was a rev swriling symposium whirl. I may be wrong but this move is very different from the one described above. At any rate I don't think doulbe helix is set from opposite side (like paradox) as the one above is. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28381 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17271 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:04:51 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01603; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:06:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:06:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: tom labeff cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pants&Shorts In-Reply-To: <19991204204849.18575.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I know pants can get in the way, but does it make that much of a difference? Yes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:26:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28346 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:26:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23542 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:54:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 92318 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1999 05:56:23 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 92301 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1999 05:56:22 -0000 Received: from rdialup252.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.172.252) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 05:56:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3849FEEE.27E368FD@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:58:06 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pants&Shorts References: <19991204204849.18575.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It makes so much of a difference that it's no contest. Shorts are much much better! They allow for better range of motion, easier mobility, they're not in the way, and they allow you to better see the footbag. I highly recommend shorts over pants without question. M@ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28376 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h015.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.102]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16955 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:48:32 -0800 Received: (cpmta 20311 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1999 16:50:12 -0800 Received: from 216-59-29-221.usa.flashcom.net (HELO ul2ju) (216.59.29.221) by smtp.flashcom.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 1999 16:50:12 -0800 X-Sent: 5 Dec 1999 00:50:12 GMT From: "Mike Stoler" To: Subject: [freestyle] Ben Job and his fabulous notation Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:51:23 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01bf3eba$da8a2930$dd1d3bd8@flascom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Who is Ben Job? Does he still kick? He has managed to achieve footbag immortality, and not for his kicking. I think that's really cool. Rex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:27:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28361 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14083 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:45:06 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FM800101N9X2K@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:46:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 15:46:45 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] phat tricks In-reply-to: To: Philip Summers Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Philip Summers wrote: > I hit an opposite side symposium reverse whirl at the end of a string WOO! > Does this move have a special name? Can you give the notation? I can't picture it. Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 11:37:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28459 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:37:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28456 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:37:10 -0800 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21304 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:32:45 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02778 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:33:59 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002c01bf3eba$da8a2930$dd1d3bd8@flascom.com> References: <002c01bf3eba$da8a2930$dd1d3bd8@flascom.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:35:45 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ben Job and his fabulous notation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:51 PM -0800 12/4/99, Mike Stoler wrote: >Who is Ben Job? As described on the freestyle page, Ben Job was a computer science student at UC Boulder. He was on this list until about a year ago when his e-mail started bouncing. I don't know where he is. Maybe Daryl does. >Does he still kick? Probably. He was pretty good. He had mad skills. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 18:07:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28862 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:07:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22610 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:24:19 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991205202555.RCMJ1169.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:25:55 -0800 Message-ID: <384ACA88.6717A007@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:26:48 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Mrosko CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question References: <0.49f61fb.257af877@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > > Hello stylers > I was watchin a Peter Irish vid when I saw him > hit a move that I have been wonderin about. The > job notation is toe>op out>spin>op clip. > Somethin like that. Its a rev mirage ending > in an osis. Flux. A torque is a miraging osis. Likewise, a flux is a reverse miraging osis. Because of this, some people call flux a reverse torque. Now for my question... Is flux actually an atomic osis, or is it a reverse miraging osis? In other words, can you set flux from clipper? Or is that just called a 'bubba osis' with no nickname? Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 18:07:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28864 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:07:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (web108.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.75]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29767 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:54:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 1138 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 1999 00:56:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19991206005601.1137.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [12.79.57.143] by web108.yahoomail.com; Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:56:01 PST Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Lane Subject: [freestyle] shes all that To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org everyone, who is the guy in "she's all that"? and what moves does he hit? thats all, thanks -sl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 18:07:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28863 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:07:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22695 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:28:20 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05315; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:30:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:30:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Adam Mrosko cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question In-Reply-To: <0.49f61fb.257af877@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Hello stylers > I was watchin a Peter Irish vid when I saw him > hit a move that I have been wonderin about. The > job notation is toe>op out>spin>op clip. > Somethin like that. Its a rev mirage ending > in an osis. That is a flux. A reverse dex torque. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 23:08:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29200 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:08:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05728 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:17:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 64438 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1999 06:19:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-Freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 64426 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 1999 06:19:01 -0000 Received: from pdialup129.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.181.68.129) by dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 1999 06:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <384B55BF.9772B748@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:20:47 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shes all that References: <19991206005601.1137.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That's big add Chad! He doesn't hit anything too tricky. Bound by pants. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 23:07:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29190 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:07:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06587 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:58:25 -0800 Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991206065900.VWJM22679.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:59:00 -0800 Message-ID: <12007921.944463540968.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:59:00 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Wulff To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style answers 1st episode... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 166.90.38.48 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all! Ironamn here to finally wrap up the first round of "Trivia Style". Sorry it's been so long since we last met but my system at home basically sucks and I've been havin trouble gettin online. I actually had a second addition ready to go out on Thursday and sent it but something went wrong and it never made it to the air waves. Also, do to technical difficulties I can't view my original post right now so I am giving the answers based on my memory of the original questions... :) If I miss somethin I will catch it in a few days so don't worry. Anyway, without further delay... here ya go... **BHH(Black Hole of Hein" nicknames "as announced" back in the day... 1. of course... "Rippin" was and always will be "Rippin" Rick Reese. 1 add 2. David Yevin was certainly "Revvin"... :) 5 adds 3. Kenny Shult"s" was announced as??? yep... only GF Smoothie got it... "Bad Motor Scooter" Did you look at my post from a few weeks ago regarding GF? :) - 7 adds **3 person freestyle teams, I'm actually simply copying Becca's post to me here(with some added details)cause she may have named them all... Fred Barnum, Jack Schoolcraft, Jim Fitzgerald Dennis Ross, Jon Lind, Kenny Shults " " " " , Kevin Courtney Footboltz (Bill, Scott, Randy) Addmobiles (Gary Lautt, Mag Huges, Jimmy C) Ocean County Clippers (Eric Wulff, Russ Willi, Ed Orlando) Constance Reed, Jody Welch, and Heather Cook Jimmy Caveny, Jeff "Animal" Johnson, Dennis Ross Dennis Ross, Dave Robinson, Reed Gray On a side note... 2 people caught me in a wrong answer. This was unfortunately before this was actually an officical game. I will still give them 3 bonus points each for catching it. BHH did not kick to the song "Momentary Lapse of Reason" but "One Slip" which have the lyrics "Momentary Lapse of Reason". O.K.... Current Standings. Be sure to keep track at home also. Ken "Ceiling Fan" - 1 Dennis Lee - 3 adds (caught the Floydian "One Slip"... nice) Yacine - 3 (included here - I think the new schooler deserves 2 adds for knowin Kenny's present BAP name "Enforcer") Ian Dubman - 6 Tina Lewis - 7 Brad Kaplin - 20(repeats don't count but I'll give ya 1 add for knowin some of these teams competed more than once and when) John Schneider - 20 ( 3 add bonus-caught the Floydian slip.. nice work! :) GF the Smoothest - 22 (nice work on the "Scooter" but no footboltz?) Becca - 33 (now that's history... :) see ya soon.. ironman out From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 5 23:08:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29195 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:08:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (root@ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1] (may be forged)) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02048 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:47:00 -0800 Received: from pc13 (slip26.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.26]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id UAA11975 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:50:20 -0700 Message-ID: <01BF3F62.57C2EAC0.genzu@nilenet.com> From: Daryl Genz To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] New Record? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:48:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Paul, the "Sandman" Mestas hit 15 Dynos today (dropped, barely on 16 and still looked strong). I believe that's a new record. He's also hit 8 ducking refractions (same side), but I don't know if that one's a record. Shred on. Genzu Blades From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 6 13:34:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29937 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29934 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:46 -0800 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06700 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:30:10 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18002 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:31:30 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991205162406.91903.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991205162406.91903.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:33:16 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] infinity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:24 AM -0500 12/5/99, Stan Sagalovskiy wrote: >someone explained to me what an infinity was, but i forgot :-| The reason it's not on the move list is because infinity is not really the name for a move. It's just the name for a butterfly stall when set from the opposite clipper. It's called infinity because if you repeat butterflies (left to right and back again) it looks like an infinity sign. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 6 13:34:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29932 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06263 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:16:43 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMC00B018IXFI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:18:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:18:32 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Committees To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was thinking about the add system the other day (Oooo trouble). Let's forget the whole "adds schmads" campaign for a minute, since we do need a rating system for competition if not for circle shredding. Anyway, I was thinking that one of the problems with coming up with a new and better system was that it always gets discussed here and everyone gets in a huff to the point where no one wants to take the next person seriously. So how about collecting a committee of volunteers, say about 10 or so people who will work out a new system which will incorporate some of the newer ideas and phases Freestyle is going through. Then those people will present their ideas to the already existing "IFAB Advisory Board" at next years Worlds and they can decide whether or not to use the new system or if the committee should try again or make some adjustments. Now this would not stop anyone from making their suggestions on how to improve the system, but it will be the decision of the committee on whether or not to apply those suggestions. It would also be a good idea if some of the people on the committee had polar opposite views on how it should work. They could nicely make a few concessions to eachothers ideas so as to incorporate as much variety as possible and give us a great new add system. I would also suggest tearing the current system to "shreds" and rebuilding it using some of the parts but not necessarily all. Maybe it would involve changing the definition of paradox or applying adds to specialty sets like dragon or frigid osis (don't kill me they are just examples of possibilities). I don't know it all, but a committee could decide that. In the end it's really hard for one person to come up with a system on their own then put it on the list and have everyone like it (most often it's shot to hell), but if there is a group of people representing a variety of views then maybe something can be done to improve the system that so many people hate. Imagine the add system transformed into a thing of beauty and reverence. Something we can all be proud of and not fear when we say the add value of a move. One last thing. I love shreddin'! Thank you (now tear me a new one), Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 6 13:55:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29971 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:55:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29968 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:55:51 -0800 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07426 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:51:16 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21715 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:52:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:54:32 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:18 PM -0700 12/6/99, Brad Kaplan wrote: > Anyway, I was thinking that one of the problems with coming up with a >new and better system was that it always gets discussed here and everyone >gets in a huff to the point where no one wants to take the next person >seriously. No, the problem is that this forum cannot by definition be the forum where decisions actually get made. But your assessment is otherwise correct. >So how about collecting a committee of volunteers, say about >10 or so people who will work out a new system which will incorporate some >of the newer ideas and phases Freestyle is going through. Go for it. >Then those >people will present their ideas to the already existing "IFAB Advisory >Board" Umm. IFAB used to mean Int'l Footbag Advisory Board, so saying "IFAB Advisory Board" would be a bit redundant. :-) But anyway now it's called the IFC, for International Footbag Committee. This is exactly where new systems should be proposed. >at next years Worlds It would be a mistake to wait until Worlds. For anything to be seriously considered, it'd need to be submitted to the IFC freestyle committee long before the actual meeting where rule changes are voted in (which is at Worlds). > Now this would not stop anyone from making their suggestions on how >to improve the system, Nothing will. :-) >but it will be the decision of the committee on >whether or not to apply those suggestions. The IFC freestyle committee members are almost all active participants on this e-mail discussion list. :-) I wonder what exactly the problem you're trying to solve is, but don't let me dissuade you from rallying the troops. :-) >It would also be a good idea >if some of the people on the committee had polar opposite views on how it >should work. Heh heh. That sounds like a formula for getting absolutely nothing done. I mean, most proposals are made by people who are thinking similarly and want to get a constructive, coherent plan on the table. If there are polar opposites, then that means there should be multiple factions presenting distinct proposals and lobbying for or against them to the IFC. But we don't have that many people or that much time, so I think probably the right thing is just to have a few smart people who have similar ideas to sit down and agree on some basic things and then iterate with maybe slightly larger group to come up with a single proposal. >They could nicely make a few concessions to eachothers ideas >so as to incorporate as much variety as possible and give us a great new >add system. When you say "add system" do you mean "system of measuring difficulty of individual tricks"? There are a million ways we could go from considering the theory of difficulty for the sport at both the micro and macro levels (tricks vs. routines). > I would also suggest tearing the current system to "shreds" and >rebuilding it using some of the parts but not necessarily all. Hahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha. (Hah.) Sorry; I just laughed when I read that. Don't know why. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader. :-) > In the end it's really hard for one person to come up with a system >on their own then put it on the list and have everyone like it (most >often it's shot to hell), but if there is a group of people representing a >variety of views then maybe something can be done to improve the system >that so many people hate. Imagine the add system transformed into a >thing of beauty and reverence. Something we can all be proud of and not >fear when we say the add value of a move. That's what I think we've been doing for the last 4 years on this discussion list. :-) But either way, while your comments are mostly dead on (despite my ribbing), what exactly are you saying? You haven't presented an actionable proposal, exactly. You just fantasized a bit in public about some etherial committee that would do a bunch of work to benefit the community. Who exactly do you anticipate would do this? Are you offering to organize it? Do you want people to submit an application to you to join the committee? I'm a bit confused as to the goal of your message. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 6 13:57:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29981 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:57:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07015 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:42:50 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:44:01 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B127E@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:43:57 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id NAB29981 Welcome to the first annual Internet Hein Combo Week. - December 6 - December 13. Throughout this week you are allowed to post your most hein combos without being embarrassed at showing off. Just remember that some of us live so far away we dont get to see you shred, so this is all we got ! Shred it up ! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 6 19:34:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30448 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:34:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15012; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:28:07 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA488; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:29:32 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Re: mobius Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:29:40 -0800 Message-ID: <001801bf4052$88dddac0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, sorry bout the spinning mirage comment in my tips for mobius. I personally do not prescribe to the gyro def excepted by the masses and used on fw. HOWEVER, I should've used gyro in this case and generally try to in order to avoid confusion. Simply a mistake of habit on my part. Once again, sorry and I have now corrected my tips for mobius. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 6 21:06:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30536 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:06:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Forest Schrodt Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21187 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:57:00 -0800 Received: from 206.151.158.116 (ip110.mind.net [206.151.158.116]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26052 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:58:48 -0800 Message-ID: <384C2318.309@mind.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:58:39 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, after reading Brad and then Steve's reply about getting a commitee to come up with some changes to the ADD system I got to thinking, and what I think might work is this. At the next Western Regionals(Steve's event and second only to Worlds for drawing the best stylers), all Open competetors who make it to the finals and any one else who wants to be involved, form the commitee that will make any necessery changes to the ADD system in time for worlds. The meeting times of the commitee could be part of the scheduling of Western regionals and be manditory for the Open finalists. I personally think that it should be the dicision's of the very top players of the world to make any changes to the ADD system for it is they who are pushing the sport the hardest. I personally would feel very confident in any decision that a commitee made up with such people like, Rippin, Peter, Big Bad Wulfy, Scott D., Tuan, Regulator, Bob w/the Green, Da Torch, Gentzu, etc.... The very top players are really the ones who I think have a complete understanding of the game, not just in shredding but in competing and judging as well. Just some of my thoughts. Forest From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 6 21:12:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30548 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:12:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30545 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:12:11 -0800 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21394 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:07:32 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16534 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:08:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <384C2318.309@mind.net> References: <384C2318.309@mind.net> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:10:48 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:58 PM +0000 12/6/99, Forest Schrodt wrote: >all Open competetors who make it to the finals and any one >else who wants to be involved, form the commitee that will make any >necessery changes to the ADD system in time for worlds. Hah ahhah aha ha ha hahahhahahahah ha ah ah ah hahahhahah ah ah ah ha hahahhahahahahhaha. (Hah.) Good one, Forest. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 7 10:45:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31292 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:45:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f269.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.47]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA10626 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:43:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 92229 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1999 14:44:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19991207144437.92228.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.103 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 06:44:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.103] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 06:44:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mad(in a good way) Teva wearer Forest wrote: >all Open competetors who make it to the finals and any one >else who wants to be involved, form the commitee that will make any >necessery changes to the ADD system in time for worlds. To which the one and only Steve Goldberg replied: >Hah ahhah aha ha ha hahahhahahahah ha ah ah ah hahahhahah ah ah ah ha >hahahhahahahahhaha. (Hah.) >Good one, Forest. Although I may have stated that differently, Steve has a point. One of the requierments to make this kind of project work is that the individual members have to be motivated enough to work it out to the end. I would say most players really don't have the drive to do that. And of course even if they do, this is a long long long process. As for assembling a commity to solve all this: First someone needs to put the players together, not an easy task in and of itself. Second is the choise of the participants, if they are more or less like minded they will probably tend to come up with a solution which misses a lot. If they have many polerized opinions they will tend to come up with a half-assed sollution to keep every one quiet. ie. this is really not an easy thing to do. On the other hand the odds that this list mutually agrees on a commonly created anything is close to nill. As the saying goes "A donkey is a horse designed by a commitee" Still I'm interested to see if anyone tries this. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 7 10:45:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31297 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:45:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: William Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13110 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:12:08 -0800 Received: from CSPW (CS-PW [156.156.156.59]) by symail.syda.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id YB7R4J26; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01bf40cd$6926ff60$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:09:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:58 PM +0000 12/6/99, Forest Schrodt wrote: >all Open competetors who make it to the finals and any one >else who wants to be involved, form the commitee that will make any >necessery changes to the ADD system in time for worlds. Steve then replyed: >Hah ahhah aha ha ha hahahhahahahah ha ah ah ah hahahhahah ah >ah ah ha hahahhahahahahhaha. (Hah.) >Good one, Forest. I understand what you mean about making it manditroy for all open players to have to help, hell its hard enough getting enough who want to compete in open. (I think from what i have heard...) But it still isn't a laughing matter, just state why he is being absurb and save the laughter for something else. he is trying to help, don't even come close to makeing him think twice about trying to help next time. P.S. I undestand that you get a lot of these laughing matters and are getting tired of replying in full length but be patience with us... please. Forest Also Wrote: >The very top players are really the ones who I think have a complete >understanding of the game, not just in shredding but in >competing and judging as well. I agree with what forest wrote above. People like me or with less experience who haven't been around as much won't know what has worked and also how things work (in terms of the moves mechanics), as completely as any "veteran" player (skill and years of play). The people who do make the changes have to be "qualified", not just any joe off the street. My two cents, Will From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 7 10:45:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31287 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:45:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04485 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:52:20 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:53:50 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B129B@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Forest Schrodt'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Committees Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:53:43 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I have a change which I think everyone will agree with. You do not get a symposium add for 1/2 dex tricks. It seems like it has already been agreed on, but not made an official change to the add system. This will clear up the following tricks: Symposium Butterfly - 3 adds Any Pogo Set - 1 add Da Da Curve - everyone knows this is 4 adds, but it has never really made sense because it should be 5 with current Symposium definition. What do you say Whanganui? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 7 10:45:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31286 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:45:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25073; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:06:43 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMD003012MBL9@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:08:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 01:08:35 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees In-reply-to: To: Steve Goldberg Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Steve Goldberg wrote: > Heh heh. That sounds like a formula for getting absolutely nothing > done. I mean, most proposals are made by people who are thinking > similarly and want to get a constructive, coherent plan on the table. > If there are polar opposites, then that means there should be > multiple factions presenting distinct proposals and lobbying for or > against them to the IFC. Yes and as optomistic as it sounds I think it's possible to get it done in one shot with one group even if there are opposing views. That way there are people from more than one walk of freestyle representing the whole community rather than a few who all agree, but don't represent the many viewpoints. > When you say "add system" do you mean "system of measuring difficulty > of individual tricks"? There are a million ways we could go from > considering the theory of difficulty for the sport at both the micro > and macro levels (tricks vs. routines). I mean difficulty of individual tricks. I know this is a tough one because of how different everyones playing style is and to an extent the difficulty is quite subjective. In order to get close enough to a great system everyone may have to just grin and bare one trick that doesn't work as well for another that better suits their style. > > I would also suggest tearing the current system to "shreds" and > >rebuilding it using some of the parts but not necessarily all. > > Hahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha. (Hah.) Sorry; I > just laughed when I read that. Don't know why. I'll leave it as an > exercise to the reader. :-) Well at least it wasn't as long as the laugh to Forests post. > But either way, while your comments are mostly dead on (despite my > ribbing), what exactly are you saying? You haven't presented an > actionable proposal, exactly. You just fantasized a bit in public > about some etherial committee that would do a bunch of work to > benefit the community. Who exactly do you anticipate would do this? > Are you offering to organize it? Do you want people to submit an > application to you to join the committee? I'm a bit confused as to > the goal of your message. Right now I'm testing the waters. I'm interested to see how people react to this idea and whether or not it is something worth pursuing. Forest had a good point about getting the people who are most knowledgable (though I don't think it needs to be all the best players). I would love to see the people who complain the most about the current system get interested because I'm sure they have good insight. I may, seeing how things go, be the one to organize a committee. Like I said, right now I'm gauging interest and getting some feedback. Always antagonizing, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 7 11:39:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31381 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:39:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19858 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:25:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 6095 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 1999 19:26:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19991207192611.6093.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.65.236.12] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:26:11 PST Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:26:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Jones Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ben Job and his fabulous notation To: Mike Stoler Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ben Job is a friend of mine living in Colorado. He used to be a really good skateboarder and then tried out footbag...now he's mostly into snowboarding. Ben was in a statistics class at CU more than a few years ago. Job's (pronounced with a long 'O') Notation was an assignment. It's actually funny to hear people shred on it sometimes because it was always an unfinished project (assignment) which he is well aware of. Ben's a cool guy and still footbags occassionally but isn't as serious as some of you guys. adios, jane --- Mike Stoler wrote: > > Who is Ben Job? Does he still kick? > He has managed to achieve footbag immortality, and > not for his kicking. > > I think that's really cool. > > Rex > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 8 14:03:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00646 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:03:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26266 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:54:41 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12764; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:56:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:56:13 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Adrian Dick cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Committees In-Reply-To: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B129B@INETSRV> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Adrian Dick wrote: > > You do not get a symposium add for 1/2 dex tricks. > Symposium reverse whirl is 1/2 dex and it gets the symposium add. > Symposium Butterfly - 3 adds Symposium Butterfly can be 4 adds if you go big and get some air. -Phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:02:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01832 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:02:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29667 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:51:11 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25511; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:52:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:52:54 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Adrian Dick cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Committees In-Reply-To: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B12A7@INETSRV> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I guess a reverse whirl set and delayed by the same clipper is a full dex, but if you go opposite side, it's definitely not full. Have you ever seen Raw Shred? An incredible shredder (Merlin I think) does a HUGE symposium butterfly on that video, that obviously had a jump element making it a 4 add move. You just can't say every symposium butterfly is worth 3 adds. I think a da-da curve could be 5 adds if you really put the jump element in it. However, who decides whether a move had a little hop or a big jump? It frustrates the hell out of me, cause I want everything to have a clear definition. -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:03:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01837 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:03:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02933 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:15:45 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA222 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:17:42 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Committees Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:17:53 -0800 Message-ID: <003701bf4133$33cbe040$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Regarding Adrian and... >Well, I have a change which I think everyone will agree with. Well, if Steve hasn't read this and died already than I say... um.. hehe.. chuckle chuckle... >You do not get a symposium add for 1/2 dex tricks. It seems like it has >already been agreed on, but not made an official change to the add system. Absolutely not and absolutely not.. Shooting from the hip almost never works in freestyle unless your talking about the set... :) Perhaps you left out some details in a quick composition of your post? Most, including myself, would consider mirage a half dex... nuff said.. Nothing personal Adrian. It's all in love baby... but no Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:03:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01852 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:03:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29949 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:01:55 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26676 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:03:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:03:48 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] HEIN COMBO WEEK Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit my weak side symposium reverse whirl! I sealed my ducking butterfly! I tiltlessly sealed ripwalk, ripwalk, spinning osis!!! -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:03:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01862 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:03:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30647 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:27:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 9826 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 1999 01:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19991208012954.9825.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.248] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:29:54 PST Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] my first five To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, I hit my first five add move a couple of days ago... I was as I predicted. Paradox torque. So now there is only one fundamental move I cant do. And that would be the mobious. Now if my leg stops hurting then Im gonna work on a blurriest to prove to my friend Adam that I am God. (sorry if that offended anyone)But my friend Adam doesent think Ill ever hit it.. Ill show him. Just give me a month to skool the hell outta my ripwalk and paradon, Adam...ok??? Ill show you. I will. By the way, does paradox legbeater actually get the paradox add?? Man I hope I dont look stupid, with paradox being right in the name and all, but ya never know. Later, Jamez"ShreddinEd"Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:06:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01872 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:06:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19043 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:02:06 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMF009012MTZX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:04:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 03:04:05 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees In-reply-to: <000b01bf40cd$6926ff60$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> To: William Wells Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, William Wells wrote: > I agree with what forest wrote above. People like me or with less experience > who haven't been around as much won't know what has worked and also how > things work (in terms of the moves mechanics), as completely as any > "veteran" player (skill and years of play). > The people who do make the changes have to be "qualified", not just any joe > off the street. Anyone who spends the $5 with WFA and gets the IFAB (IFC) Rule Book will learn just as much about how the current add system works as anybody. Or you can probably spend a little time at footbag.org and learn it all there. Then whether you've played for 20 years or 1 you'll know how the system works. As for the difficulty of some moves, well that part does come with experience and there is no substitute for it. But I thought it'd be good to push learning more about the system to those who don't already. Then you'll understand whats wrong as time goes on. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:06:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01879 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:06:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f261.hotmail.com [209.185.130.177]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27031 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:21:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 71817 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1999 23:22:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19991207232237.71816.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 148.4.16.187 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:22:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [148.4.16.187] From: "Bob Jones" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] hackin in the dark Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:22:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello there. This is my first time writing on here. I am not THAT good yet, but I am trying to get better. Problem is, at my college (CW Post, Long Island, New York), it seems no one hacks anymore. I prefer to hack and practice with other people rather than on my own, so I really haven't been hackin too much lately. I used to think I was half way decent until I came across this website, and i felt just like a beginner again...with no skills. Anyway, that is not what this email is about. I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to hack when its dark out. I don't know, there may already be something out there that I am unaware of, but I'm desperately trying to find a way to make the hack visible at night. I've thought of some things, but they are all stupid and obviously wouldn't work, so I'm not even going to bother writing them here. I just want to see if anybody has given any thought to this before. Thank you all for your time. Jae From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:06:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01882 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:06:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05623 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:00:16 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA692 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:02:14 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Re: Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:02:25 -0800 Message-ID: <004201bf4141$ce43e920$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I thought Adrian Dick had a cool post about the hein combo week. Haven't seen any replies regarding yet and I'm not gonna get into it specifically regarding combos. But, I thought that this might be appropriate here... In SF since Friday 12/4 the following have gathered for jams... Sam Conlon Awesome Austin Sparks(11 years old) "Wicked" Eric Windsor Ryan "the Regulator" Mulroney Sunil "Tsunami" Jani Carol "SheBlade" Wedemeyer Eric "Me" Wulff Ethan "Doobiest" Klein Ahren "the Torch" German Tu "Huge" Vu Tuan "Disco Ninja" Vu "Big Add" Chad Steve "the Brat" Goldberg and that's what I can remember... This town SHREDS! The combos are PHAT! But most importantly... the ENERGY IS INSANE! Something with freestyle is going down all the time. I'm from "Kickin by yourself Jersey" and this ain't it. If I missed somebody, sorry but it's hard to keep up. Later Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:08:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01902 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:08:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19963 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:51:31 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMF00D014X66N@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:53:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 03:53:29 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Committees In-reply-to: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B129B@INETSRV> To: Adrian Dick Cc: "'Forest Schrodt'" , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Adrian Dick wrote: > Well, I have a change which I think everyone will agree with. > > You do not get a symposium add for 1/2 dex tricks. It seems like it has > already been agreed on, but not made an official change to the add system. > This will clear up the following tricks: Well I do a clipper set symposium mirage that looks nothing like a pogo and is very clean and I think is very symposium. Regardless, I was really hoping my original post would not turn into a debate about the add system but rather a discussion on how to get a committee thing going so we can deal with these situations there. I'm not saying you don't raise good points, because you do, but what do you think (good or bad or advisory) about a committee to decide it all. Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:08:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01912 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:08:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25203 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:08:37 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA09223 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:09:33 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:21:00 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >>So how about collecting a committee of volunteers, say about >>10 or so people who will work out a new system which will incorporate some >>of the newer ideas and phases Freestyle is going through. > >Go for it. I'm in. As director of the freestyle committee for the IFC, I feel I need to be there. I will not organize it, but am a willing conspirator. Keep in mind, we need to look towards a clear goal, we need to accomplish a suitable solution to meet that goal, we NEED TO TEST IT somewhere, and we need to garnish support among the IFC members (particularly those who tend to put the monkey wrench into any proposals that are tabled), if we have their support (and the biggest stumbling block so far is that most "solutions" that are tabled are untested and get forever shoved into the "need to be tested before we even think about changing the current system" pile), then a solid, well tested, and well understood proposal (that has lobbied support in advance) will have no trouble passing. Keep in mind, and this is important, that most discussion that I have heard has been people thinking that "adds" are the end-all-be-all of freestyle competition, and they are not. Unique moves are far more important... so one of the things we need to discuss is that if we, for instance, remove the symposium add of symposium dex's that are less than 50% encircling, do we remove them as unique moves? Does the person who does butterfly to symposium butterfly get two unique moves (albeit both might be considered threes under a revised system and technically the same), or do they get just one? To do this we need to redefine how "Unique Moves" are categorized. But if we remove all restrictions on "sets determining unique moves" then the player who does paradon, barfly, down-double-down and double-over-down in their routine gets four unique moves for essentially the same move... but are they different enough to reward this player so heavily for it? Hmm... >>It would also be a good idea >>if some of the people on the committee had polar opposite views on how it >>should work. This is necessary for fairness in generic proposals. But we run the risk of changing nothing. >> I would also suggest tearing the current system to "shreds" and >>rebuilding it using some of the parts but not necessarily all. Lets talk. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:16:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01932 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:16:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04455 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:44:36 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMF00201WDKQQ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:46:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:46:32 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Move list To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm not complaining I'm just offering. more 6 add moves under the current sytem: Blurry Torque Locomotion Blurry Whirling Swirl Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:17:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01942 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:17:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04896 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:00:16 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMF00401X3K8J@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:02:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 14:02:08 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Yay for me and other stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a seriously relaxed job and get plenty of quality kick time while "working". Yesterday I had a very good day. My combos felt stronger than they have lately and some new moves came out of these sore legs. smog (previously landed but not played out of until yesterday) Atomic Drifter Pdx Reverse Torque Fairie op osis Symposium Toe Blurs Pixie butterfly swirl I have been working on toe blur sets since Western Regionals back in may and I just can't get them. Symposium is just easier for me. Anyhow, I love the set and would like to know if anyone (Sunil?) has hit these moves. Toe blurry drifter Toe Blurrage (Toe Blur but the second dex leg actually does a double dex) Toe Blurry torque One more thing. Has anyone out there hit a 5 add toe to toe trick. For instance symposium smog. Brad P.S. What's wrong with the add system? Please e-mail me personally, don't bombard the list. THANKS From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:17:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01952 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:17:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Aaron de Glanville Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15316 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:56:51 -0800 Received: from aaron.mindspring.com (user-33qtgpq.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.195.58]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23559 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:58:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991208185737.00c244c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: aadegl@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 18:57:37 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad said: > I may, seeing how things go, be the one to organize a committee. >Like I said, right now I'm gauging interest and getting some feedback. > You're a brave man to even broach this subject again, let alone consider action (and of course, to risk being publicly laughed at by the omnipotent SG ;) ). I would say that the scores would have to come before the system, i.e. a select "Committee of Heinousness" would first come to some democratic agreement on point values for tricks (a la SD's old proposal, where more tricks can always be voted into the database). A coherent system (I'm convinced) can be developed post facto to reflect the scores. This would not only be an easy idea to implement, but one lending itself to continual revision, if desired (revised by vote annually?) One easy way (out of many possible) would be to pick an arbitrary upper limit (say, 10), and have the committee simply vote on point values, averaging for the final scores. Would love to see it... aa Aaron de Glanville "uncut" From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:17:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01962 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:17:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA31179 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:36:20 -0800 Received: from ws1 ([24.13.146.29]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991209133825.CCPR6401.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@ws1> for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: <06d601bf4242$2ba8a2d0$1d920d18@cospgs1.co.home.com> From: "Josh Cope" To: References: Subject: [freestyle] guilt/tilt? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 06:37:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all... I know it was posted not so long ago (and i did search footbag.org ) but I was hoping someone wouldnt mind refreshinng my memory on the meanings and explaination of guiltless/tiltless etc. Thanks in advance, Josh From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 9 08:26:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01979 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:26:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01976 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:26:29 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03014 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:21:29 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09872 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:22:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:23:05 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Committees Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:04 AM -0700 12/8/99, Brad Kaplan wrote: >On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, William Wells wrote: > > The people who do make the changes have to be "qualified", not just any joe >> off the street. > > Anyone who spends the $5 with WFA and gets the IFAB (IFC) Rule Book >will learn just as much about how the current add system works as anybody. Sorry but I have to correct you on two factual points: (1) the IFC Rulebook is and has been *online* for years -- http://ifc.footbag.org/contents.html (2) you *cannot* learn the current freestyle judging system from the rulebook, unfortunately. Then, a value judgment: (3) you cannot become *qualified* by simply reading the rulebook. There's a theory that underlies the judging system that is not written down (unfortunately), though much of what I've tried to do on this list over the last several years is to educate people as to the theory (or at least, as well as I can claim to understand it). Anyone who has attended my freestyle judging clinic at Worlds over the last few years has learned at least a little more than what's in the books, but as you may know from attending one of those, there are a *lot* of edge cases and details that really aren't written down and that can only be inferred from a deeper understanding of the rationale behind the system (both the add system and, more importantly, the "what-makes-a-good-routine" judging system.) >Or you can probably spend a little time at footbag.org and learn it all >there. Then whether you've played for 20 years or 1 you'll know how the >system works. Honestly, it's not about how many years you've played, or how good a reader you are. Some people just aren't into theory, and others really dig it. (You can guess which one applies to me.) It's really a matter of your personality, your attention to detail, your need for structure, and your ability to think rationally. Pretty much you have to be of a mathematical ilk to really attempt to codify a system this complex. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:30:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06382 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:30:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06010 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:16:55 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA17749; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:16:53 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:25:44 -0600 To: Brad Kaplan , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Yay for me and other stuff Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Brad and all! At 2:02 PM -0700 12/8/99, Brad Kaplan wrote: > I have a seriously relaxed job and get plenty of quality kick time >while "working". Yesterday I had a very good day. My combos felt >stronger than they have lately and some new moves came out of these sore >legs. You must be hogging all the "relaxed job" time... cause it is entirely missing where I'm at. > One more thing. Has anyone out there hit a 5 add toe to toe trick. >For instance symposium smog. Backside Symposium Blur Backside Symposium Blizzard > P.S. What's wrong with the add system? Please e-mail me >personally, don't bombard the list. Actually, just a few tweaks, which cause the foundation to crumble... its like travelling back in time and stepping on an ant and changing "future history" so that you don't exist... make one change now, and it ripples through the system making all things different forever... Hmmm..... Must rethink.... eeek! See ya! Scott. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:30:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06387 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:30:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.emerson.edu (mail.emerson.edu [199.94.64.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08268 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:29:04 -0800 Received: by mail.emerson.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: <4143DB540B49D31182CE00062B00694B13E079@mail.emerson.edu> From: Spartan Giordano To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] hackin in the dark Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:26:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I haven't actually done this nor is it a great way but it seems like it would be really cool. Put tide or something on a footbag then get a blacklight going. I think it would look really cool. You could have glowing shoess too. -spartan I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to hack when its dark out. I don't know, there may already be something out there that I am unaware of, but I'm desperately trying to find a way to make the hack visible at night. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:30:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06377 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:30:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f47.hotmail.com [216.32.181.47]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05431 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:51:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 17830 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 1999 17:53:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19991209175326.17829.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:53:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:53:26 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yo, the west coast needs to share some shredding goodness! you'd think there'd more than a handful of serious kickers in NYC! =) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:31:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06394 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:31:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10416 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:46:53 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:48:41 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B12D3@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Brad Kaplan'" Cc: "'Forest Schrodt'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Committees Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:48:39 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There is a difference with clipper set symposium mirage and "pogo" which defines which is symposium add worthy and which one isnt. "pogo" does not have the extra hop, you just do the dex straight away. With clipper set symposium mirage you hop back, reinitialise your legs then do the symposium dex. oh well, another add system modification bites the dust. I dont think the system will change for a while... too many people out there will be robbed of an add for their signature moves will protest any changes.. Maybe a majority ruling by the BAP should be enough to rerate a tricks difficulty? that way we can use the add system for the basic stuff, and have a few exceptions which have been agreed upon. Start wth Toe Set Blur !!! HEIN COMBO WEEK: Paradon Swirl, Paradox Torque, Barfly From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:32:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06417 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:32:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f139.hotmail.com [216.32.181.139]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10514 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:48:25 -0800 Received: (qmail 10152 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 1999 20:50:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19991209205001.10151.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:50:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] hackin in the dark Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:50:01 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Bob, >I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to hack when its dark >out. If you check out the WFA (world footbag association they sell a whole bunch of footbag related articles including a glow-in-the-dark hack. I've never tried it though so can't tell you if it's any good. Peace, The Mouse If you do buy it, let me know if it's any good. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:33:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06427 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:33:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f142.hotmail.com [216.32.181.142]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10564 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:50:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 87114 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 1999 20:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19991209205212.87113.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:52:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:52:12 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Brad, What's a locomotion? Notation? Thanks, Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:33:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06437 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:33:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.emerson.edu (mail.emerson.edu [199.94.64.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26749 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:24:59 -0800 Received: by mail.emerson.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:22:22 -0500 Message-ID: <4143DB540B49D31182CE00062B00694B13E07E@mail.emerson.edu> From: Spartan Giordano To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] stegmans wool clogs Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:22:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone else out there have steman wool clogs? Those things are have the best shape for a shoe. They do not have excess material around them, and they allow for much greater ankle flexibility than the RL's. I compared the size of them and the RL's have a good one and a hlaf inches in length on the stegmans. They have a few problems though. they have no traction little support and they fall off your foot. If there was ever to be a hacking shoe designed, this should be analyzed for its benefits. -spartan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:33:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06444 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:33:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12214 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:46:40 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.5359882e (4309) for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:48:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5359882e.25817d9d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:48:13 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] hackin in the dark To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Play indoors, or buy one of those glowing bags. they don't delay too good, though. Just play indoors. it's warmer ;), speshly in long island Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:33:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06465 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:33:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snowball.excite.com (snowball-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.116]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27369; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:46:49 -0800 Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991210064443.BXTV22679.fortune.excite.com@prance.excite.com>; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:44:43 -0800 Message-ID: <12624245.944808283142.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Wulff To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trivia Style 12/9/99 Cc: brat@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.33.33.89 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Hi Hi Wass Happenin Y'll?! Ironman here, finally, with our second edition of trivia style. We've got a few new schoolers askin for some trivia which might be a little less slanted towards the old folks. O.K., at least I will try to give some incentive for the newer players of freestyle and trivia alike. So today the following... >From the category of "Not Exactly"... 1. B.A.P. has 2 sets of brothers. Give me the brother's "family" names and give me their BAP names. ***worth 3 adds for Old schoolers, defined as anyone attending worlds 96' or before and answer must be complete. ***7 adds for New schoolers, defined as the opposite of old schooler above and partial credit will be given where applicable. Every year the World Championships draws more of the best freestyles from around the planet than any other tournament. For this reason each World Champs has some EPIC freestyle jams. Want to see how you measure up relative to anyone and/or everyone in the world? Are you a white, yellow, orange, blue, brown, red or black lace? Want to study and take notes. Want to feed on the creative energy? Don't need to compete to do it and many of the worlds greatest never have competed. The best shred sessions are rarely planned. They take shape as they happen and the sessions which push the edge further than ever before are tagged by the participants as if they were a member of BAP living and breathing. 3. I want the title or name of the epic shred session or sessions from the following 3 worlds eras. There is one name which refers to the epic sessions or session from each era. a. Later Colorado/Golden years b. California/SF years c. 96' worlds **3 adds each for new schoolers as defined above in #1 and partial credit can be earned **1 add each for old schoolers as defined above and no partial credit Hopeah you like... :) buh bye.. Ironman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:33:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06466 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:33:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22787; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:11:27 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMJ00501EMKR6@clem.mscd.edu>; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:13:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:13:31 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] guilt/tilt? In-reply-to: <06d601bf4242$2ba8a2d0$1d920d18@cospgs1.co.home.com> To: Josh Cope Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Josh Cope wrote: > I know it was posted not so long ago (and i did search footbag.org ) but I > was hoping someone wouldnt mind refreshinng my memory on the meanings and > explaination of guiltless/tiltless etc. Tiltless is playing a string doing tricks that are no less than 2 adds. Guiltless is no less than 3 add moves. BONUS: Tripless is no less than 4 add moves. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:34:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06481 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:34:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24363 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:48:53 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMJ00701GD5B1@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:04 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Yay for me and other stuff In-reply-to: To: Scott Davidson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Scott Davidson wrote: > You must be hogging all the "relaxed job" time... cause it is entirely > missing where I'm at. I put up with a lot to have the time to kick though. My job is still stressful. One call from an idiot at my job is worth 20 idiots at any other job I've ever had. But the kick time allows some relief. > > One more thing. Has anyone out there hit a 5 add toe to toe trick. > >For instance symposium smog. > > Backside Symposium Blur > Backside Symposium Blizzard Toe set to toe catch tricks, thereby not having the paradox or x-body elements > > P.S. What's wrong with the add system? Please e-mail me > >personally, don't bombard the list. > Actually, just a few tweaks, which cause the foundation to crumble... its > like travelling back in time and stepping on an ant and changing "future > history" so that you don't exist... make one change now, and it ripples > through the system making all things different forever... > Hmmm..... Great analogy! I feel that way every time I come up with what seems like a solution. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 12:34:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06490 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:34:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24828 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:02:42 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMJ00901H067S@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:04:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:04:54 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Committees In-reply-to: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B12D3@INETSRV> To: Adrian Dick Cc: "'Forest Schrodt'" , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Adrian Dick wrote: > > Maybe a majority ruling by the BAP should be enough to rerate a tricks > difficulty? that way we can use the add system for the basic stuff, and > have a few exceptions which have been agreed upon. Bad idea. Not that it wouldn't be enough to change things, but I don't think they would want to get together to do it. I know I'd rather kick, but hey I started it all this time. And Toe Blur is a great example of a place to start. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 10 14:54:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06664 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:54:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saba.wwa.com (saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31674 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:24:23 -0800 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (209-107-90-078.chicago.verio.net [209.107.90.78]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA24815; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:26:34 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991209205212.87113.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:43:09 -0600 To: "Mickey Mayer" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All! >What's a locomotion? Notation? Clipper > Same In > Same In > Same Butterfly I am horrible with notation, but that's probably close. Set with say, your left clipper on your right side, set about mid thigh height and straight up with a tendancy to the center and without planting, do a left leg in-out direction dex followed by another (like a barfly) to a left leg (right side) butterfly. Shred on! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 11 11:59:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11141 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:59:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (mail.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12442 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:56 -0800 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA30F2; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:39:07 -0800 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: "Mickey Mayer" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] hackin in the dark X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.51 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:39:07 -0800 Message-ID: <77282ACFF43.AAA30F2@mail.csuchico.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hellloooo, I have one of the glow-in-the-dark footbags and they are ok to play with. They are made out of some kind of rubber and there is a battery operated light inside. This battery deal makes any attempt at difficult tricks almost impossible, plus the bag can not necessarily be worked in. So its very bouncey and unpredictable. We found that drunk hacking with this bag was rather entertaining, but that's about it. What we have done is find an indoor place to kick. Kicking outdoors under a flourescent can also pose some problems with your eyes. Keep it alive, Tara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 11 11:59:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11147 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:59:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f137.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.137]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA02778 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:25:53 -0800 Received: (qmail 6514 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1999 00:27:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19991211002737.6513.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.64.223.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:27:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.150] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Stepping Set Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:27:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello there, Ive read the hint section from footbag.org, on ripwalk, and blur, they both start from stepping set. Is this move as much strength as it is practise? I cant seem to get the launching part mastered. If anyone could help me out it would be much appreciated..... Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 11 11:59:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11155 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:59:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f239.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.239]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14029 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 56587 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1999 04:25:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991211042532.56586.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:25:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: enlightener@footbag.org, mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:25:31 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Scott D wrote: > > >What's a locomotion? Notation? > >Clipper > Same In > Same In > Same Butterfly > >I am horrible with notation, but that's probably close. > >Set with say, your left clipper on your right side, set about mid thigh >height and straight up with a tendancy to the center and without planting, >do a left leg in-out direction dex followed by another (like a barfly) to a >left leg (right side) butterfly. Whoa...I thought "motion" was a barfly bail to osis, where the set leg does two dexes and a delay. clip> same out> same out> same clip And that "Locomotion" was like a blurriest bail to osis: clip> op in> op out> op out> same clip So the first is technically 5 adds, but the way i've seen most do the dexes, i'd value it at 4. The second i would similarly devalue from 6 to 5. Then again, adds mean jack. Let me know if I am mistaken with my definitions, cause there is a big discrepancy with what Scott wrote and what I did. Why isn't anybody posting for the hein combo week? I'm sure there are some cool stuff being hit out there... Shred it up, Ceiling Fan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 12 23:19:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18951 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:19:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22690 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:30:54 -0800 Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11225; Sat, 11 Dec 99 15:33:54 EST Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA09666; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [18.237.0.33] (FIVE-HT.MIT.EDU [18.237.0.33]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA07443; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:33:08 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <77282ACFF43.AAA30F2@mail.csuchico.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:34:03 -0500 To: "Tara R. Ohr" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Andrew Hires Subject: Re: [freestyle] hackin in the dark Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 99 worlds, there was a kid who had the ideal night hack, but he sewed it himself. It made of transparent mosquito netting, with plastic beads on the inside. He had sewed a semi-elastic hole in one panel that you could squeeze one of those tiny "glow-stick for the mouths of ravers" into, but that would not let the beads come out when it wasn't streached. It wasnt quite as nice as a good juice but, it was much more even then sticking a battery in the thing. We hacked alot with it, very cool, but he only had one. That hole musta taken mad skillz to sew. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:43:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19015 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:43:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31958 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:38:46 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (216-148-160-179.clearsail.net [216.148.160.179]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00136 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:25:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001d01bf4431$a663ae20$b3a094d8@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: References: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B127E@INETSRV> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:44:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org After being in a big rut today while shredding, I finally broke out of it and started linking tricks. My hein combo today was : blur > butterfly > torque. All on my weakside and the torque was completely sealed. :) James "ska boy" Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:43:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19041 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:43:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27952; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:57:14 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991211215926.VWDZ6401.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:59:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3852C956.94E991CF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:59:50 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeN Somolinos CC: enlightener@footbag.org, mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list References: <19991211042532.56586.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org About motion and locomotion: > > Hey stylers, > Scott D wrote: > > > >Clipper > Same In > Same In > Same Butterfly > > KeN Somolinos wrote: > Whoa...I thought "motion" was a barfly bail to osis, where the set leg does > two dexes and a delay. clip> same out> same out> same clip > And that "Locomotion" was like a blurriest bail to osis: clip> op in> op > out> op out> same clip I would agree with Ken on the description of the move, but the notation is incorrect. Since the move ends in an osis, there is a spin involved. motion: clip > same out > same out > (back) spin > same clip. locomotion: clip > op in > op out > same out > (back) spin > same clip. The notation Ken used would be a pdx reverse high plains drifter (or a nuclear same side reverse drifter) - probably one of the hardest five add moves in existence. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:43:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19020 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:43:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31977 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:39:12 -0800 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.15]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5FF; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3852E316.C200BFCA@isu.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:49:42 -0700 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Dick , "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week References: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378234B127E@INETSRV> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shred heads, Since the combos that I am capable of executing are not yet what I concider hein, here are some "cool" combos I did today: 1. pixie legover > pixie legover 2. butterfly > paradox mirage > pixie clipper > osis > osis > drop 3. butterfly > paradox mirage > clipper > whirl > spinning toe stall > clipper > spinning toe stall > other tiltless stuff Also had several tiltless 15-20 contact strings, hit weakside whirls, and hit my third ever paradon. Not really worth bragging about, but good for me. See ya, Bob Green From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:43:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19007 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:43:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00934; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:34:04 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28359; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:36:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:36:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: KeN Somolinos cc: enlightener@footbag.org, mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list In-Reply-To: <19991211042532.56586.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Whoa...I thought "motion" was a barfly bail to osis, where the set leg does > two dexes and a delay. clip> same out> same out> same clip > And that "Locomotion" was like a blurriest bail to osis: clip> op in> op > out> op out> same clip I think you mean clip > op in > op out > SAME out > same clip From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:43:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19010 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:43:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29067; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:13:37 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991211221549.VZZT6401.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:15:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3852CD2E.80A1117B@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:16:14 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeN Somolinos CC: enlightener@footbag.org, mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list References: <19991211042532.56586.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Oh yeah... the reason you don't see motion or any motion type of move on the move list is because spin directions have yet to be very well defined. Motion - as I understand it - is set from clipper. So, here is an example. set from right foot clipper (left side of the body). The right leg comes up and over the bag from out to in. Then, the right leg circles the bag from out to in again. After this second dex, you spin to the left (counterclockwise) and catch the bag on a right foot clipper. Now, if you don't do any of the dexes, the move is just an osis set from the same clipper (some like to call this a "far osis"). Or, if you want to think of it as an inspinning same side clipper, you can (this would be a "crispy far osis"). Either description is perfectly valid. This move uses a "front spin" since you spin toward the bag. But, motion does not have a "front spin". In a motion, there are dexes done before the spin. After the dexterities, the bag is now on the other side of your body. So, when you start the spin, you spin away from the bag - a "back spin". So, I would say that the notation for a motion is: clip > same out > same out > (back) spin > same clip. The problem is that not everyone agrees on a consistent way of naming spins. So, until there is a straightforward way of naming spins, you can't really have this move on the moves list. So, please be patient while we get all of this naming stuff consistent and then these moves will be added to the list. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:43:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19004 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:43:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24800 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:06:06 -0800 Received: from swarthmore.edu (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with ESMTP id QAA07354; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:08:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3852BD4E.B446F0D4@swarthmore.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:08:30 -0500 From: Tony Carter-Piff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] exposure for the sport Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've got a quick story I think you should read:Ý Couple months ago, A good friend of mine named Daryl Bacon was kicking in a shredder-circle at a music festival in Seattle.Ý Daryl, whom probably few of you know (except Zerbe and Jane Jones), is an intermediate-level, pretty tiltless freestyler.Ý He's also quite handsome, as you will see.Ý Out of literally nowhere, a stranger starts talking to Daryl.Ý The usual "Wow, you guys are pretty good, how long you been hackin.Ý He proceeds to offer Daryl a modeling job.Ý Blown away, Daryl was of course skeptical.Ý But now, 3 months later, things have gotten pretty official, and Daryl is heading to LA to investigate what it's all about.Ý The story goes, apparently, Daryl has a good chance of ending up in a serious ad, Abercrombie or Tommy Hilfiger, in Rolling Stone or something big.Ý (Please understand, Daryl does not wear any of these clothes).Ý And, here's what's really exciting: there is a good chance he'll get to shred for the photo shoot. So, kickers, what do you think of this?Ý I really haven't seen much exposure for our sport in the mainstream media, aside from Big Add Chad's session in She's All That and Scott Davidson's appearance on Jenny Jones' "Useless Talents" episode.Ý How did these fellows get "discovered," if you will?Ý Were there try-outs?Ý Daryl's case seems pretty amazing.Ý Where else has footbag been seen, and what do you think of exposure? Tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:44:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19056 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:44:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07361 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:58:53 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMM00A0139N3I@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:01:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:00:59 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] hackin in the dark In-reply-to: <4143DB540B49D31182CE00062B00694B13E079@mail.emerson.edu> To: Spartan Giordano Cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Spartan Giordano wrote: > I was wondering if anyone > has > any ideas on how to hack when its dark out. I don't know, there may > already > be something out there that I am unaware of, but I'm desperately trying > to > find a way to make the hack visible at night. A friend of mine has made many bags using many materials and has a florescent material he uses and it allows him to see it well in a black light. Good for raves. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:44:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19075 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:44:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA29306 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 05:15:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 70840 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 1999 13:17:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19991212131726.70839.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 05:17:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.5] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New move? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 05:17:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A new move? well probably not but you cann¥t blame me for trying. Just as I was waking up this morning I pictured a trick and pretty much jumped out of bed to try it. It¥s basically a reverse whirl set giro whirl, kind of like a blistering whirl except the first dex reversed, for the notation freaks (of which I¥m one): clip>opp oi>back spin>opp io>opp clip I think. Anyway after 5 or 6 trys a few min after getting up I was unable to hit it, but it feels easier than blistering whirl, and if I ever find time to practice Im sure I can hit it. Anyone seen, hit, dreamed about this? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:44:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19073 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:44:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07574 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:04:27 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMM00A013JBC3@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:06:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:06:46 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Cool moves I've never hit. To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I watched Raw Shred for the first time in quite a while and was happily reminded of how easily Tuan was hitting Blurrier. I also was wondering who if anyone has hit Blurry WHIRR!!! Paradox reverse torque I've hit recently and was wondering if it has a better name? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:44:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19078 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:44:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.178]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA30028 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 06:03:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 69481 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 1999 14:05:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19991212140528.69480.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.209.58 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 06:05:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.209.58] From: "Ian Dubman" To: footbug@hotmail.com, enlightener@footbag.org, mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move list Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 08:05:28 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "KeN Somolinos" Whoa...I thought "motion" was a barfly bail to osis, >where the set leg does >two dexes and a delay. clip> same out> same out> same clip >And that "Locomotion" was like a blurriest bail to osis: clip> op in> op >out> op out> same clip > >So the first is technically 5 adds, but the way i've seen most do the >dexes, >i'd value it at 4. The second i would similarly devalue from 6 to 5. What's up Ken and company... I was under the same impression as you Ken. And, Scott, when you showed this move to Zeke, Sebastian, James Widman, and I at the KQ freestyle championships it was just as Ken described it-actually you busted it in the phat combo contest also. Just some facts... Late, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 00:44:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19092 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:44:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f29.hotmail.com [216.32.181.29]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01275 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:28:52 -0800 Received: (qmail 72338 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 1999 17:30:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19991212173045.72337.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:30:45 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.98] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move question Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:30:45 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi all, i looked through the footbag movelist but i didn't see this one. maybe i missed it. i know it's a common move, so.. clip > op in [dex] > same out [dex] > op clip [xbd][del] like a butterfly from a clipper to a clipper but the support leg does an extra dex. or rather, like a same side ripwalk. what's the name for this? thanks. -Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20146 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19061 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:36:30 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27477; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:38:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:38:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Stan Sagalovskiy cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question In-Reply-To: <19991212173045.72337.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > clip > op in [dex] > same out [dex] > op clip [xbd][del] stepping butterfly later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20176 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23429 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:00:37 -0800 Received: (qmail 23830 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 1999 22:32:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19991213223210.23829.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.68] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:32:10 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:32:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] exposure for the sport To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Where else has footbag been seen, and what do you >think >of exposure? Well my friend Adam said he saw a guy in a magazine kickin complete with lavers. Maybe he could tell you more about it. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20156 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16566 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:16:24 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.f7aac508 (4543) for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:18:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f7aac508.2586ae88@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:18:16 EST Subject: [freestyle] Etiquette To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Seeing as this weekend I will be getting together with other serious shredders for the first time, I was woondering if there was any particular etiquette and what to expect. See ya at Eastmust., Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20181 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23894 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:16:58 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991214001927.HGDR882.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:19:27 -0800 Message-ID: <38558D35.922C3D60@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:20:05 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Sagalovskiy CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question References: <19991212173045.72337.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stan Sagalovskiy wrote: > > clip > op in [dex] > same out [dex] > op clip [xbd][del] > > like a butterfly from a clipper to a clipper but the support leg does an > extra dex. or rather, like a same side ripwalk. what's the name for this? This move is called a stepping butterfly, and it is now on the move list under 4 ADD moves. A stepping set is: CLIP > OP IN [DEX] (plant) > whatever. Also, with "stepping", you assume 'same side'. So, Stepping butterfly is a stepping set followed by a same side butterfly. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20151 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp1.kolumbus.fi (smtp1.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26428 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:53:07 -0800 Received: from mail1.kolumbus.fi (mail1.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.43]) by smtp1.kolumbus.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA16210; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:55:27 +0200 (EET) Received: from kolumbus (kb228u3hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [193.229.164.228]) by mail1.kolumbus.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA07581; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:58:00 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <014201bf45d5$fc6521a0$e4a4e5c1@kolumbus.fi> From: "Juha Linnanen" To: "Tony Carter-Piff" , References: <3852BD4E.B446F0D4@swarthmore.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] exposure for the sport Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:53:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I really haven't seen much > exposure for our sport in the mainstream media, aside from Big >Add Chad's session in She's All That and Scott Davidson's >appearance. > Where else has footbag been seen, and what do you think > of exposure? In a movie called Teaching Mr. Tingle there is little hacking in start where music is loud and camera is sliding trough the schoolyard. Altough that is only like 4 seconds, but still it was nice to notice that ;) Juha Linnanen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20171 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21382 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:02:28 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02936; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:04:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:04:50 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Andrew McCargar cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? In-Reply-To: <19991212131726.70839.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 12 Dec 1999, Andrew McCargar wrote: > clip>opp oi>back spin>opp io>opp clip > > Anyone seen, hit, dreamed about this? > > -Andrew Yeah, I've tried to hit that but I've never come close. I wanted to call it "Darkside Ripwalk" because it's like a ripwalk behind your back. I also thought "Dynawhirl" or "Dynowhirl" would be cool names because the set is like a dyno. -Phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20166 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20847 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:45:55 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.d7dfc936 (4200) for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:47:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d7dfc936.2586d192@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:47:46 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers Stan wrote >i looked through the footbag movelist but i didn't see this one. maybe i >missed it. i know it's a common move, so.. >clip > op in [dex] > same out [dex] > op clip [xbd][del] >like a butterfly from a clipper to a clipper but the support leg does an >extra dex. or rather, like a same side ripwalk. what's the name for this? The move your talkin about is a stepping butterfly. Im pretty close to hittin that one. Keep Shredin Adam"ShredinnJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 13 18:25:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20161 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:25:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dalss43.dfw (dalss43.fido3.saraide.com [205.246.174.43] (may be forged)) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17052 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:35:05 -0800 Received: from dalss43 (dalin42 [205.246.174.42]) by dalss43.dfw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01600 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:36:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199912132036.OAA01600@dalss43.dfw> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:31:12 -0600 From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002838, 70000011 Subject: RE: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heyhey! I hit blur to legbeater! Woohoo! Ciao. -Yacine From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 14 18:17:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21423 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:17:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28483 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:08:58 -0800 Received: from CSPW (CS-PW [156.156.156.59]) by symail.syda.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id YQMACP5F; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:11:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bf45e0$dca73640$3b9c9c9c@syda.org> To: Subject: [freestyle] Archive Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:11:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, I was about to write an email asking a few questions and decided to look up the main subjects of my questions in the archive. Little did i know I would spend an hour and a half going thru it and finding many interesting things. I found a wealth of opinions and advice and disscusion on everything i was looking for. The only thing was that it takes a while to do that (I only did the complete 99 archive) even though they are alphabetical. Thought I would share that. Will Wells P.S. I finally got me a pair of the new lavers P.S.S. I lost my Facile Juice somewhere in my room. (not quite sparkling....) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 14 18:19:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21428 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:19:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Dave Cecconi Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30097 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:09:07 -0800 Received: from DukeBluDevils@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.77e1e319 (4159) for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:11:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.77e1e319.25871d58@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:11:04 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] exposure for the sport To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On the subject for exposure of this sport, i have rescentlely had sum good things happen to me: First off, I made the news freestyling. My school had a talent competition and I figured what the hell and I decided to Shred onstage. Well I did pretty well my town's local news was there and got it on tape cuz I got 2nd place. (I lost to a kid who played the guitar and harmonica at the same time !!!!!!!) Anyway, I hit Symp. Mirage, Ripwalk (like 4 times), Stepping Butterfly, Barfly, an infinity linked butterfly sequence that every1 liked even tho it wuz rather minor, an eggbeater, and then I dropped on an attempt for another Barfly. Alot of people saw it on the news and said it looked really cool even tho they had no clue what I was doing (they said it looked more like a Jamiacan breakdance cuz my Bag wuzn't too visible on TV lol) And Second, I actually started a Footbag club at my school. We have a club period once a month, and there are stuff like Spanish Club, Basketball Club, Cooking Club. Well, I had a pretty good turnout of like 20 kids. Only 2 others actually had heard of freestyle, but after I showed them a bit, they all sorta accepted it and I think i'm starting sumthin down in my borin town in PA. And I believe this is rather funny (in a way) A boy about a town away from me wuz rescently diagnosed w/ cancer and he loved soccer (as do I). Well, I volunteered to ref a soccer tournament for him that the town wuz having where the proceeds went to his medication to keep him alive. Well, after I finished my 5 or 6 games. I sat down to have a drink near the concession stand. I got changed and busted out my BAG. Well i threw my hat onto the ground so that I could see better to start. Well, every1 obviously liked my routine. I wuzn't trying to show off to any1. I wuz actually in a spot i didn't think any1 would see. Well all of a sudden, people began putting money in my hat as if I were doing it for charity. I got so tired but I said what the hell, and I kept goin cuz of the $$$. Well after every1 began to leave (like mayB 45 mins after i started) I counted up the $$$. I had somethin like 35.00$! Not too much, but for Shredding for no reason! So I felt bad cuz I had no intention of earning ne thing so I just gave the money to the kid's charity fund which I feel good about. Well just lettin ya'll know bout the spreading Sport. Much <3 2 ya's!- ----Dave Cecconi From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 14 18:19:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21434 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:19:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f211.hotmail.com [216.32.181.211]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27209 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:30:18 -0800 Received: (qmail 57756 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1999 18:32:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19991214183222.57755.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.44.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:32:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.210.44.132] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:32:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, my hein combo is diving clipper -> torque -> ripwalk -> pdx mirage and I hit my first double down Danny Cardonne From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 14 18:19:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21450 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:19:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29034 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:30:34 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.4f8cf29f (4566) for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:32:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4f8cf29f.2587144b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:32:27 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] exposure for the sport To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In the movie Carrie 2: The rage, there's a quick 3 second hack montage. The extras kicking it around sucked... must have been 3 or 4 drops in their entire screen time ;) Matthew "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 14 18:19:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21455 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:19:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f258.hotmail.com [209.185.130.174]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01559 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:03:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 80626 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1999 07:05:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19991214070505.80625.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.31.125.121 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:05:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.31.125.121] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hein combo month Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:05:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up all, My Hein comos' for this MONTH are: Fairy osis, to paradox dragon fly, to butterfly. Pixie butterfly, to paradox atom smasher, to clipper. smear, to fairy dragonfly, to osis. Tarrage, to toe drifter, to osis. Royale, to osis. And finally fairy osis, to cross-body rake-just figured that osis to rake out, looks real smooth. Later Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 14 18:24:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21512 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:24:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00516 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:32:58 -0800 Received: from swarthmore.edu (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with ESMTP id QAA09351; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:35:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3856B82C.9F77DC4A@swarthmore.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:35:40 -0500 From: tony carter-piff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move question? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm sure I'm not the first to pull it, but does it have a name: Ýpixie set cross body rake? I've got wired pixie same clipper, pixie opp clipper, pixie butterfly and smear (pixie mirage), as well as cross body rake.Ý Pixie same xbd rake I'm almost pulling, but pixie opp xbd rake is a ways away. Name on either of these? tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 15 08:08:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22159 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:08:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA02892 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:09:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 10926 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 16:11:36 +0200 Received: from hi2-250.dyn.online.ee (HELO kasutaja) (194.106.113.250) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 16:11:36 +0200 Message-ID: <000201bf4706$09f525a0$fa716ac2@kasutaja> From: "Uve Poom" To: Subject: [freestyle] exposure of the sport (in estonia) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:40:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone this is my first mail to the list, so I¥ll just talk about myself and a few other things. I am from Estonia (that¥s a country in Europe, a small one, just under Finland if you would like to find it on the map) and 15 years old. Footbag is very new here so the skill level is not good. There are only a few serious kickers in Estonia, say 3 or 4 I know of (for a population of 1,4 million people), including me, so the only motivation "to push the envelope) comes from eachother and of course FW. I found out about footbag.org in august, but I have been playing since last summer. so now me and the best player around here can hit some 3 add moves butterfly, one guy can osis and there is little more) and the highest is fairy butterfly... the first duoble dex in Estonia :-) altough we can¥t go tiltless. But now for the real reason I started writing. about making footbag famous I¥ve seen fotbag in 3 movies or shows: 1) some teenagers (like me:-)) serie made @ down under 2)another one like this- buffy the vampire slayer 3)8mm, a movie with Nicholas Cage all of them includid only short clips without shreddin¥ the main thing in Estonia of making it famous was youngster show here we (4 of us, probably the best players in Estonia) went to this show and they gaveus around 5 minutes of time) did it live of course for 2 or 3 minutes we played and then thet had a small interview with us asking where it is from, hoe long we have been playing and where from to buy this ball so the real development came from this event. another thing is that we started selling footbags in ONE shop so footbag is now lightly known in Tallinn (the capital of Estonia) and Tartu (the second biggest city) I guess there are aruond 200 bags in Estonia and only a few players who can do tricks and have longer sets than usual (they are very short tough, maybe 15 seconds max) and link up to 5-6 moves in one set (we link them through 1 add moves so they aren¥t very "linked" in the true sence of the word) we would like to make it famous all over the place, so of anyone has good ideas how to do that let me know I¥d suggest you to go to a popular TV show (something like a talkshow except you can do other things aswell and don¥t have to be famous) another thing is forming a club we have only one in estonia and it isn¥t very active so I am trying to form one with my friends and classmates and we are trying to have regular sessions now, altough it is hard because of the rent :-( maybe you cuold give me some advice on makiong a club (maybe you, Dave Cecconi, I understood you started a club in your school and have some experince on it) it doesn¥t have to come to this list, directly to me Ok that is enough I am sorry if there is something wrong with my English, it is¥ t my first language... and if there is a lot of unnecesarry informiation. keep shreddin u guys out there :-) Uve ¥arrow¥ Poom from Estonia From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 15 10:19:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22275 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:19:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f63.hotmail.com [216.32.181.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10867 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:41:06 -0800 Received: (qmail 3824 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 1999 17:43:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19991215174305.3822.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:43:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] exposure of the sport (in estonia) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:43:05 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org you know, it's SOO wonderful to hear of footbaggers popping up all over the world! feels good to know that if i'm ever in say, Estonia, i can find someone to kick with. it's a great sport! keep it up (the bag, of course)! LONG LIVE FOOTBAG!!! :) later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 15 12:22:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22364 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:22:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f105.hotmail.com [216.32.181.105]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15147 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:05:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 14110 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 1999 20:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991215200731.14109.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:07:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hein combo month Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:07:31 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Jon and all, >Royale, to osis. What is a royale? notation? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 15 15:20:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22542 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:20:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18108 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:43:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 8917 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 1999 21:42:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19991215214213.8916.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.46] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:42:13 PST Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:42:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] hein combo week? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ive noticed everyone posting there sweet combos on the list so Im gonna do it too. Ive had a nice week in shred so far. Yesterday I started hitting a lot of pixie butterflies so I hit...... pixie butterfly>butterfly>spinning osis>butterfly>ripwalk>paradox mirage attempt. ripwalk>ripwalk>stepping osis Ive hit many badside double atws also. Jamez"ShreddinEd"Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 15 17:45:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22911 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:45:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21524 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:31:13 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (216-148-160-149.clearsail.net [216.148.160.149]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09672 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:17:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000e01bf4755$5f61cb20$95a094d8@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: References: <19991214183222.57755.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:37:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org After a million and one tries today, I hit... barrage > ducking butterfly > torque (sealed) James "ska boy" Gilbert From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 08:52:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23799 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:52:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA25523 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:35:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 2960 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 1999 16:36:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19991216163614.2959.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.46] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:36:14 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] Another sweet combo To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Im so happy that i just hit this combo first try. Im real proud of myself cause it wat guiltless and all. It was pixie butterfly>osis>butterfly>orginal dlo>butterfly>original torque pretty sweet huh? I just now truly learned the pixie butterfly and im getting pretty damn good at ripwalks both sides. So im very slowly progressing toward being guiltless. Jamez"ShreddinEd"Risden P.S.Any tips on the barrage I hit what i thought was a barrage but it turns out is was a stepping mirage. Dident know there was that much of a difference. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 20:19:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24741 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:19:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA32735 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:01:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 52430 invoked by uid 0); 16 Dec 1999 20:04:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19991216200403.52429.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.108.24.21 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:04:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.108.24.21] From: "Kevin Wendt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:04:02 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I know that all the better footbaggers are tired of explaining all the little details of the sport, but what exactly is sealed. Kevin "the smiley killer" Wendt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 20:19:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24759 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:19:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05281 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:41:46 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.1da66d52 (3700) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:43:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1da66d52.258ac52c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:43:56 EST Subject: [freestyle] move question To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers I have a question about a move as you might have guessed if you read the subject. What exactly is an inspinning mirage. I think my friend thinks he knows. He dont explain very good. So I wanna ask all you pros. Thanks Adam"ShredinnJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 20:19:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24747 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:19:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27498 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:25:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 29985 invoked by uid 0); 16 Dec 1999 17:27:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991216172723.29984.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:27:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Another sweet combo Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:27:23 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, James Risden wrote: >I just now truly learned the pixie butterfly and im >getting pretty damn good at ripwalks both sides. > >So im very slowly progressing toward being guiltless. Does this sound wrong to anybody else? "very slowly progressing toward being guiltless" should mean getting all your bad side twos down, including ducks, dives and spins. Getting four add moves involving a set should come after you have long guiltless strings, not the other way around. Ken CF Somolinos Bear Feet/NYFA PS- see y'all in DC on Sunday! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 20:19:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24768 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:19:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12044 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:24:46 -0800 Received: from cmc.net (pm4-148.chico.cmc.net [12.7.203.151]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA27808 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:27:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38584DBF.8E93ACD1@cmc.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:26:07 -0800 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] dirty Juice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings Everybody-- My wife just got me a dirty juice from Footmart. I have an ultrasuede juice, but this is my first facile bag, and I have a few questions: how gentle do you actually have to be with facile? The instructions that came with it from the WFA say not to twist it or anything when it it wet. Can you roll it in your hands when wet to break it in? are sand-filled bags washable? Also, I have read in the archives for the list that dirty juices tend to leak sand over time, but that they can be filled with small glass funnels. Anybody have rough specifications for such a funnel? We have plenty of glass blowers here in Chico, but I am not even sure what to ask for. Thanks, Josh Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 21:24:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25970 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:24:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18021 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:10:11 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14455; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:12:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:12:56 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Adam Mrosko cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question In-Reply-To: <0.1da66d52.258ac52c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As far as I know, there aren't any universally accepted terms to define spins. But here's what I think about inspinning mirage: "inspinning" means cross-body set front spin to a move executed on the opposite side from where the set came. So an inspinning mirage would look something like: clip > front spin > same in > op toe I think this move is paradox. Anyone agree? btw- I hit double-spinning toe or spinning backside rake today. I couldn't tell which :) -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 22:51:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26523 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:51:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f70.hotmail.com [209.185.131.133]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20490 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:30:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 81656 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 06:32:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217063253.81655.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.31.125.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:32:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.31.125.213] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] dirty Juice Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:32:52 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Joshua whats up!! you wont need to go through all the trouble to have a glass blower make you a funnel- they have more important things to make anyway. All you need is a straw, a sturdy one not flimsy. Now cut the straw in 3 shorter pieces- 3 funnels, now cut the end of a peice of straw on an angle, then cut a short lengthwise slit on the short side of the angle, and roll the ends together to make a point. Now your straw is looking like a pencil,hold it so it keeps the point andn stick the end inbetween some stiches and then let the straw expand back out and you will now be able to add/remove beads/sand. The dirty juice should need little or no handwork to break in, just kick it with some friends and it should break right in. It takes a little experience with facile bags to know how to break it in without breaking it-eventually you learn to let the facile "tell" you how to treat it. Even then you will probably get holes in your bag which need to be fixed with some type of glue, I find Barge brand cement to work great- softer than freesole and never dries stiff. Later all, Jon Nagela >Also, I have read in the archives for the list that dirty juices tend to >leak sand over time, but that they can be filled with small glass >funnels. Anybody have rough specifications for such a funnel? We have >plenty of glass blowers here in Chico, but I am not even sure what to >ask for. > >Thanks, >Josh Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 23:03:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26557 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:03:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f141.hotmail.com [209.185.131.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20874 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:47:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 81805 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 06:49:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217064931.81804.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.31.125.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:49:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.31.125.213] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Another sweet combo Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:49:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "KeN Somolinos" > >Does this sound wrong to anybody else? "very slowly progressing toward >being guiltless" should mean getting all your bad side twos down, including >ducks, dives and spins. I agree Ken I have seen quite a few people who went guiltless too soon in my opinion. This results in a style which although nice, is boring although i dont agree with- Getting four add moves involving a set >should come >after you have long guiltless strings, not the other way around. Dont you mean Tiltless strings? Id hate to see the guy Who hits "long guiltless strings" who still cant hit a pixie butterfly! later all Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 16 23:03:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26567 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:03:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f294.hotmail.com [209.185.130.233]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20628 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:37:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 74066 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 06:39:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217063949.74065.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.31.125.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:39:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.31.125.213] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:39:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I believe the move Phil described was inspinning paradox mirage. So Adam, a regular Inspinning mirage goes right foot clipper set, spin counterclockwise, then mirage dex with the left leg, ending on right toe. Did I get my Job's right? Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 05:29:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29327 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:29:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.kolumbus.fi (mail2.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06082 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:59:24 -0800 Received: from kolumbus (kb23u3hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [193.229.164.23]) by mail2.kolumbus.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA01475; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:04:45 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <002301bf4886$38fa2b80$17a4e5c1@kolumbus.fi> From: "Juha Linnanen" To: "Kevin Wendt" , References: <19991216200403.52429.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Internet Hein Combo Week Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:59:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I know that all the better footbaggers are tired of explaining all the > little details of the sport, but what exactly is sealed. It means that when you do a trick you should be able to do another trick after that. Say you play tiltless (without 1adds) and have just learned how to do butterfly and you can do it, but you can't do any 2add trick from it. That is then unsealed. Only when you can play out from it (=you have sealed it) then you can truly say you have mastered that trick. If I'm wrong please someone with better knowing correct me! Juha Linnanen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:53:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30076 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:53:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts2.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.140]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16515 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:06:41 -0800 Received: from sympatico.ca ([206.172.203.115]) by tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <19991217160930.LHIR29836.tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:09:30 -0500 Message-ID: <385A6049.518A3D1C@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:09:45 -0500 From: Pierre-Pascal Gauthier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Feltman , "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] dirty Juice References: <38584DBF.8E93ACD1@cmc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id IAA29455 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Try using a Pasteur pipet... And if it's too large, use a bunsen burner to narrow the end... Joshua Feltman a Ècrit : > > Also, I have read in the archives for the list that dirty juices tend to > leak sand over time, but that they can be filled with small glass > funnels. Anybody have rough specifications for such a funnel? We have > plenty of glass blowers here in Chico, but I am not even sure what to > ask for. > > Thanks, > Josh Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:53:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30066 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:53:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26139 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:56:03 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMW00G01NQ3W2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:58:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:58:51 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hein combo month In-reply-to: <19991215200731.14109.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Mickey Mayer Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Mickey Mayer wrote: > What is a royale? notation? Clip> same out> same clip It's a paradox drifter, dut the dex goes the other way...so paradox reverse drifter. I personally don't like the name royale. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:53:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30071 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:53:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts2.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.140]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16436 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:04:31 -0800 Received: from sympatico.ca ([206.172.203.115]) by tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <19991217160715.LGSV29836.tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:15 -0500 Message-ID: <385A5FC1.11D3EE69@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:29 -0500 From: Pierre-Pascal Gauthier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] New move? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there a name for this move? I'm not too sure if it's on the list... You start let's say with a right clipper and you set the bag in your back. You then pass the right leg (is that a gyro set?) in a whirling motion and you stall the bag with a left clipper. Like a paradox whirl, but in your back... (An osis-whirl hybrid?) Thanks in advance!!! PP From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:54:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30086 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:54:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26581 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:14:34 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FMW00H01OKYUL@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:17:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:17:22 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Move name To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've recently been hitting this move that I know Jon Nagela has been hitting as well because his fairie sets are so sweet. Anyway it's fairie op osis, and I think it should be called Ferocious. Ken also suggested a GREAT name for paradox reverse torque or nuclear osis and the name is AEON FLUX. Come on, love it with me now. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:54:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30081 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:54:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22234 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:27:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 19924 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 1999 19:29:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217192949.19923.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.160.160.14] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:29:49 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:29:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Jones Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Internet Hein Combo Week To: Eric Wulff , "'freestyle'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Wulff wrote: > In SF since Friday 12/4 the following have gathered > for jams... > > Sam Conlon > Awesome Austin Sparks(11 years old) > "Wicked" Eric Windsor > Ryan "the Regulator" Mulroney > Sunil "Tsunami" Jani > Carol "SheBlade" Wedemeyer > Eric "Me" Wulff > Ethan "Doobiest" Klein > Ahren "the Torch" German > Tu "Huge" Vu > Tuan "Disco Ninja" Vu > "Big Add" Chad > Steve "the Brat" Goldberg Sounds like a sweet circle... Alex Zerbe and I are in Colorado right now and we've had fun kicking with Eli Piltz, Daryl Genz, Paul Mestas, Dave Holton, Jonathan Schnieder and others. I guess this Sunday we'll all be meeting up again and Rippin and Shred Red will be there too. Cool! I think Eli said the next video is coming out soon (a couple of weeks)...yeeha. If Alex and I make it out to SF in January, I hope this list of people all show up for some kicking! :-) I'm glad everyone's stil skoolin' hard! See ya, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:56:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30116 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:56:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28372 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:31:59 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA587 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:34:46 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] sealed Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:35:01 -0800 Message-ID: <002801bf48e7$579522a0$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Juha had a good explanation for "sealed". However, it also means finishing a shred combo with "intent to finish" and pass to the next member in a circle. Therefore, you can seal a "move", as Juha described, or you can seal a "combo".... ew that smell From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:56:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30126 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:56:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28430 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:36:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 13722 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 1999 23:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217233931.13721.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.137] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:39:31 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:39:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] re:another sweet combo To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I wrote >I just now truly learned the pixie butterfly and im >getting pretty damn good at ripwalks both sides. > >So im very slowly progressing toward being guiltless. Then Ken Wrote: >Does this sound wrong to anybody else? "very slowly >progressing toward >being guiltless" should mean getting all your bad >side twos down, >including >ducks, dives and spins. Getting four add moves >involving a set should >come >after you have long guiltless strings, not the other >way around. >Ken CF Somolinos >Bear Feet/NYFA And now Im writing: I have totally mastered every two add move I will ever need. I seriously make sure I do 100 badside atws and 50 mirages every day! Every other two adder is perfectly even on both sides. What I am working on now is perfecting my threes and fours. How the hell will i ever go guiltless if I dont learn the guiltless moves. Anyway thats what i meant by progressing toward bieng guiltless. Ive already passed what your talking about.(mastering twos) Later, Jamez"ShreddinEd"Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 17:56:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30136 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:56:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29327 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:06:38 -0800 Received: (qmail 6746 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 1999 00:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19991218000927.6745.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.137] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:09:27 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] re:inspinning mirage To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Wrote: >Hey stylers >I have a question about a move as you might have >guessed if you read >the >subject. What exactly is an inspinning mirage. I >think my friend >thinks he >knows. He dont explain very good. So I wanna ask >all you pros Hey Adam, this is Jamez (cough cough) I mean Eric Wulff. Look man I already told you what an inspinning mirage is. Now im gonna compare it to that stupid little gyro mirage thing that you do... lets say your gonna do that gyro mirage. With that move you would set from a clip and spin away from the bag and complete the mirage with the dex leg being the leg that comes closest to the bag first. The innspinning mirage is the exact same accept you spin toward the bag....its so much harder because the bag moves out of site just before you do the mirage. Now these pros are gonna tell you pretty much the same damn thing so just shut up about it...:) And i cant stand it when people say that the inspins and gyro and spinning moves are not yet properly defined. I think they are defined great. I have no prob with the definitions. later, Jamez Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 20:16:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30237 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:16:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.116]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01496 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:19:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 56779 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 1999 03:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19991218032205.56777.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.132.70.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:22:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.132.70.142] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] re:another sweet combo Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:22:05 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, A clarification: When I wrote: Getting four add moves > >involving a set should > >come > >after you have long guiltless strings, not the other > >way around. That's just what I meant. I didn't mean to harp on two add moves. I just think that all threes, twos, and ones involving all add concepts should be mastered both sides before sets come into play. That means stuff like both drifters, both atw both ways, both spins, ducks/dives, both dlos etc. Sets like pixie, blurry, shooting etc should be left until after you can get long guiltless runs filled with variety. You should not be trying ripwalks or pixie butterflies if you can't kick guiltlessly already. That's the essence of my post. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 17 21:31:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30330 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:31:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04449 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:17:39 -0800 Received: from [209.122.127.119] (helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11zCHY-0002jv-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: <009401bf4916$601d3be0$10affea9@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Tyler Guindon" From: "Tyler Guindon" To: Subject: [freestyle] Lavers Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:11:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey people. Whats goin on? Im just curious if anyone would be interested in a pair of brand new Lavers - Size 10.5 (almost mint condition). They are too small for me and it seems like a real waste to let a perfectly good brand-new pair of awesome shoes like these get forgotten. The toe-box has been cut but any serious shredders would do that anyway so i dont think its a big deal. Please email me if your interested, dont flood the mailing list. Talk to ya later. Tyler Guindon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 07:45:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30904 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:45:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA07900 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:18:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 51721 invoked by alias); 18 Dec 1999 08:21:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 51711 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 1999 08:21:35 -0000 Received: from edialup147.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.103.147) by dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 1999 08:21:35 -0000 Message-ID: <385B4472.FAF8D131@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:23:14 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Knees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Awww Maaaan... I'm newly off my two week break from footbag, You have no idea how difficult it is to go two weeks without kicking. But somehow I still feel pain in my knees when I kick. I'm going to continue kicking and take it easy for a while. I'm not gonna school any new moves. If I can't make the problem dissappear then I'm going to have to... dare I say it... Quit Kicking! ANy advice you could give would be so appreciated, I despirately don't want to quit, I love the sport too much. M@ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 07:45:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30909 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:45:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA18325 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:36:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 7965 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 1999 10:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19991218103859.7964.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.101.52.7] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:38:59 PST Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:38:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Long Subject: [freestyle] Big Add Posse To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Just some questions on the BAP: 1. Who was the founding member? 2. How many people are in it at the moment? 3. When was it formed? 4. Are there any members who are not from North America? Michael Longano From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 07:44:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30892 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:44:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f158.hotmail.com [209.185.131.221]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05988 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:35:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 71752 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 1999 06:37:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19991218063735.71751.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.31.125.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:37:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.31.125.231] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:37:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi brad how's it going? I totally agree with the name ferocious for the fairy opp osis, thats the same name I was thinking myself-I usually just call it a fairy-style flux so people will understand. As for Aeon flux, thats already called paradox flux or nucleosis. But hey, if nobody grabbed your mothra name for nuclear butterflier how bout applying it to the fairy dragonfly?-- wouldnt it be funny if motra were a fairy dragonfly? Later, Jon Nagela > Anyway it's fairie op osis, and I think it should be called >Ferocious. > Ken also suggested a GREAT name for paradox reverse torque or nuclear >osis and the name is AEON FLUX. Come on, love it with me now. > > Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 08:14:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30948 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:14:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f64.hotmail.com [209.185.131.127]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA27539 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:01:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 63368 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 1999 16:04:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19991218160401.63367.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 202.61.236.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:03:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [202.61.236.10] From: "David Passamani" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] ICQ Queries Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:03:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey i was just wondering how many of yous out there have icq and if there is a active list for footbag, and if there isnt why not. I mean im sure there is heaps of you out there that have icq. any way thats about it cya David Passamani WA Australia P.S. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:43:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31801 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:43:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29618 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:40:10 -0800 Received: from mail2.magma.ca (mail2.magma.ca [206.191.0.218]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23234 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave (port-2-90.magma.ca [206.191.63.90]) by mail2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29851 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:43:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301bf497f$1c10cac0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] ICQ Queries Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:41:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >Hey i was just wondering how many of yous out there have icq and if there is >a active list for footbag, and if there isnt why not. >I mean im sure there is heaps of you out there that have icq. >any way thats about it Yes, you have a good point. I use ICQ fairly often, and I have gotten real-time help with some moves from another guy who uses it. It is pretty cool to chat with someone, get some move suggestions, go try them out, and come back yelling "I HIT IT, I HIT IT!!!!" I added my ICQ to my bio on footbag.org, maybe others will do the same... Dave 2715800 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:45:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31807 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:45:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32001 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:33:09 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14537; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:36:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:36:02 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Jamez Risden cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] re:another sweet combo In-Reply-To: <19991217233931.13721.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jamez wrote: > I have totally mastered every two add move I will ever > need. I seriously make sure I do 100 badside atws and > 50 mirages every day! Every other two adder is > perfectly even on both sides. (including spinning toe delay and inspinning toe delay??) That's great. Can you do 50 2-adders in one string? THAT's true mastery. I've only done that once, and it was with only two unique moves as a drill. I don't really see what the big deal is with going tiltless or guiltless (as long as you never do a plain toe delay). Don't force yourself to move on to harder tricks. Just do whatever feels natural and you'll eventually start throwing strings of fours, I guess. I don't like to play tiltless, because it doesn't allow me to throw blurry kicks, spinning kicks, and flying kicks. (come to think of it, that would be a neat combo in that order) I just like to feel total control over the bag and my body. Since I'm already on the subject- how's about we do away with the delay add real soon (like for the new millenium, haha). Tiltless would then mean a string of 1 add moves, or doing anything but straight kicking or delaying the bag. It would make flyers more important- butterflier could be in a tripless string, flyling clipper in a guiltless... The only problem I see is the time for everyone to adjust to refering to butterfly as a 2 add move, clipper as a 1 add, toe delay 0 add. -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:45:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31812 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:45:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32225 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:46:45 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15495 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:49:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:49:40 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] gyro miraging set Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was experimenting with a set today that looks like this: clip > back spin > same in > op ( move ) The set felt wierd at first, but now I definetly think crispy mobius is possible. Is anyone else actually HITTING moves with this set? (or have I made up something completely new, yeah right :) If it doesn't have a name, I like "rolling" as in "rolling osis" or "rolling butterfly". -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:45:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31817 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:45:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00731 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:30:02 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991218203256.GAGH18871.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:32:56 -0800 Message-ID: <385BEFB9.79DE5B09@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:34:01 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre-Pascal Gauthier CC: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? References: <385A5FC1.11D3EE69@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Pierre-Pascal Gauthier wrote: > > You start let's say with a right clipper and you set the bag in your > back. You then pass the right leg (is that a gyro set?) in a whirling > motion and you stall the bag with a left clipper. Like a paradox whirl, > but in your back... (An osis-whirl hybrid?) Gyro whirl clip > (back) spin > same in > op clip From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:45:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31822 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:45:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01031 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:45:02 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991218204757.GFPY18871.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:47:57 -0800 Message-ID: <385BF33F.F40772E4@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:49:03 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamez Risden CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] re:inspinning mirage References: <19991218000927.6745.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jamez Risden wrote: > > And i cant stand it when people say that the inspins > and gyro and spinning moves are not yet properly > defined. I think they are defined great. I have no > prob with the definitions. > When you say inspinning butterfly, which leg does the dex? Is it the set leg? What if you set it off of your toe? How about inspinning legover? Does the set leg do the dex? What if it is set from toe? And what is a gyro swirl? Does the set leg do the dex (as in most gyro moves)? What if you set it from toe? Inspinning swirl? Until spins are defined by what side of the body is involved (ex. spinning same side, spinning opposite side, inspinning same side, inspinning opposite side), spins will not be accurately defined. The current definition of gyro requires the set leg to do the first dex. That's kinda silly if you think about gyro swirl. Gyro *should* mean "spinning same side". Who cares what leg does the first dex? With a definition based on 'side of body', you can have gyro swirl, twirl, osis, clipper, etc. If I'm wrong on any of this, please give me the simple and consistent definition of all types of spins. Be sure that the definition accounts for ALL moves - not just the basic ones. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:45:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31832 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:45:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03720 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:50:06 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.bbcd3606 (5774) for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:52:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bbcd3606.258d6a27@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:52:23 EST Subject: [freestyle] move question To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers I got a question on the torque. I think I can do it except my upper body like wont spin right. I set it about between waist and chest high. Then I jump and and spin. My lower body spins and everything but my upper body like stops. I think its because I try to watch the bag to long but I figured I'd ask the pros. Thanks Adam"ShredinnJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:46:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31837 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:46:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02218 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:40:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 21505 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 1999 21:43:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19991218214311.21504.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.56] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:43:11 PST Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:43:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] the spinning stuff To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You know what, Derric has one helluva point. Ill shutup now........I think if I make an ass of myself one more time then im just gonna stop posting. So it turns out inspinning, spinning, and gyro are not defined clearly enough. bye, Jamez Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 18 22:47:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31867 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:47:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11033 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:46:38 -0800 Message-ID: <19991219034903.21523.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.217.190.175] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:49:03 PST Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:49:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Kersens Subject: [freestyle] Missouri stylers! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am looking for kickers in the St. Louis area. I am in town for another few days and I am itchin to kick. I have checked for kickers on http://www.footbag.org/clubs/ to no avail. If you are, or know anyone from the area email me directly. Thanks Ben Kersens From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 19 07:50:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32418 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 07:50:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30930 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:44:21 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.8cb5ca86 (3996) for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:46:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8cb5ca86.258d308b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:46:35 EST Subject: [freestyle] first 4 dex move To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys, It been along time since I have posted but I feel what I have just done is worthy of posting. I have been working my ass off the past week trying to get back into the groove of kicking and working hard. I was working on try to beat the smog record but could not get past four. My friend James Rizden (ShreddinEd below) made an ironic comment when I sat down to chat with him over the net (I'm o0safreestyle0o): ShreddinEd: this is probly gonna sound stupid but wouldent a pixie flurry be awsome? o0safreestyle0o: is dont think its possible o0safreestyle0o: you cant pixie off a clipper ShreddinEd: no i mean ShreddinEd: lemme give you jobs o0safreestyle0o: oh ok ShreddinEd: toe>same in>op in>same in>op out>same toe These words sparked something in my mind and I was insane enought to try this move. I still can't beleive it and I'm very aware that the majoirty of you guys wont either but i hit this insane move on my first try. Again, you probably dont believe and are probably saying that if i realy did hit it, I should get it on tape. I have tried a million times to hit it again but it is impossible. I have no idea how I hit it but I am %100 positive I hit the move james described. Everyday I shred, I'm gonna work my ass off to get the baby on tape to show you guys and prove I am not lying. My mom was to only person who saw it but she had no clue what the hell I was doing. Nothing like this has happened to me and I'm jumpinh for joy. But i'm gonna do my best to get this sucker on tape. Ok..spoken enough. time for taping Thanks, Windsen Pan Special thanks to James Risden who gave me the idea=) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:13:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01462 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:13:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13141 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 14:33:28 -0800 Received: from r79a006279aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.127.119] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11zovn-00015p-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bf4a70$4f0e6800$10affea9@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Tyler Guindon" From: "Tyler Guindon" To: Subject: [freestyle] Mirage Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:27:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys I got a quick question. I am probably gonna make an ass out of myself but what the hell. I was just looking at the Jobs for a mirage on footbag.org and this is how it is exactly: SET > OP IN [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL]. Now my understanding of what a mirage is, is that (assuming the set comes from the right foot) you set the bag, do a dex from inside to out with the left (support) leg and catch the bag again with the right (setting) foot. Now my question with the Jobs is that wouldn't the OP TOE [DEL] part imply using the opposite foot from the setting leg? If this were true then the bag should be caught with the left foot and not the right. Can someone please help me to understand what im not understanding? Thanks again. Tyler Guindon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:13:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01455 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:13:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Dave Cecconi Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09917 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:38:51 -0800 Received: from DukeBluDevils@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.bfb60e6e (4250) for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:41:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bfb60e6e.258e9ce9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:41:13 EST Subject: [freestyle] Smear, Smudge To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id MAA32577 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I am questioning the jobs notation for the smear and the smudge on footbag.org. Here they are Smear: TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > OP IN/OUT [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL] Smudge: TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL] So check out the part that I have highlighted in yellow. Say I pull a smear but my second dex is op out. Well according to these jobs, that could be EITHER a smear or a smudge. So really what's the difference? Thanks everyone, and have a good holiday. --Dave Cecconi From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:14:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01478 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:14:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14248 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:26:21 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FN000N01H8Z5B@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:29:23 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:29:22 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Ouch and cool stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Damn it all! I pulled my back out again. I do it every six months or so while I'm doing symposium somethingorothers. It was pretty bad the first day and beginning of the second, but now I can get up and do stuff for myself again. My girlfriends really happy about that, I was driving her nuts. Anyway, here's the cool stuff. The sacrifice of my back was worth a really smooth symposium toe blur. I can't hit toe blur to save my life, but symposium just seems to be working extremely well for me during the last week. Another cool thing. It was my friends birthday the other day and we were not sure what to get him. Just on a whim I walked into this shoe store to buy myself some new shoes and saw they had a single pair of Lavers laying on the floor. They were the last pair the store had and were the right size and everything. Here's the cool part...they were on sale for $25. Needless to say I was happy and so was he. Has anyone hit Atomic Blender? Atomic Dyno? How about Nuclear drifter? Later all, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:14:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01488 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:14:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23968 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:18:50 -0800 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust143.tnt52.chi5.da.uu.net [63.11.20.143]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12855 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:21:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <385DC97B.39A0B62E@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:15:23 -0600 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] ICQ Queries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok actually I have a couple of things to say here and this is my first time posting so I hope I'm doing it right... alright first off I have a warning about playing in doors with upright halogen lights, BE CAREFUL! cuz me and my friend were kicking with a sand bag in my living room and one of us kicked it in and we ran over to get it within seconds but when we tried to pull it out all the sand spilled everywhere, the lamp had burned a whole in the bag in a matter of seconds..... so watch out if you're shredding indoors around those types of lights. and also I thought I throw in my ICQ # 45269636 Tim "The Novice" Werner From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:14:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01498 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:14:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2906.mail.yahoo.com (web2906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24202 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:33:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 19563 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 1999 06:36:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220063607.19562.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.109.234.233] by web2906.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:36:07 PST Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Freller Subject: [freestyle] question? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org symposium butterfly swirl can any one give me the correct notation if my one is incorrect clip>(no plant)opp out/in dex>opp swirl>same xbd del would that be the correct name for the move if there is such a move if not could someone give me some help. How many adds is this move? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:15:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01508 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f25.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.25]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA03101 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 01:12:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 44806 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 1999 09:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220091457.44805.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.64.223.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 01:14:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.150] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Stepping Set Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 01:14:57 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all! Im just wondering if anyone out there has any tips on Stepping Set that they would like to share. Should the clipper delay be close to your support leg? Is the support leg moving straight up or to the side? When I see some of the videos on footbag and dallasfootbag, they are all done realatively fast, with the support leg launched hard up. I dotn know if I have to set the footbag at the same time as I jump or just a bit before. As you can see I really would like some advise, this elment of footbag is crutial to a lot of moves (ripwalk, blur..etc). Thanks all, I hope to hear from some of you. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:15:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01519 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19529 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:51:11 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.d7094b0a (4390) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:52:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d7094b0a.258fd4e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:52:17 EST Subject: [freestyle] osis To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I was stylin with my friend when i hit 6 osises. 6, and how do you spell the pulral of osis. See ya Adam"ShredinnJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:16:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01540 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:16:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19720 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:56:36 -0800 Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991220185841.STBB315.kuku.excite.com@prance.excite.com> for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:58:41 -0800 Message-ID: <17212644.945716321622.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Wulff To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia answers 12/9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 166.90.38.150 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 12/9... >From the category of "Not Exactly"... >1. B.A.P. has 2 sets of brothers. Give me the brother's "family" >names and >give me their BAP names. >***worth 3 adds for Old schoolers, defined as anyone attending worlds >96' or >before and answer must be complete. >***7 adds for New schoolers, defined as the opposite of old schooler >above >and partial credit will be given where applicable. answers... The Vu Brothers.... Tuna "Disco Ninja" Vu and Tu "Huge" Vu & The Blur Brothers... Josh "The Chiseller" Casey and Steve Kremer >Every year the World Championships draws more of the best freestyles >from >around the planet than any other tournament. For this reason each >World >Champs has some EPIC freestyle jams. Want to see how you measure up >relative to anyone and/or everyone in the world? Are you a white, >yellow, >orange, blue, brown, red or black lace? Want to study and take >notes. Want >to feed on the creative energy? Don't need to compete to do it and >many of >the worlds greatest never have competed. The best shred sessions are >rarely >planned. They take shape as they happen and the sessions which push >the >edge further than ever before are tagged by the participants as if >they were >a member of BAP living and breathing. >2. I want the title or name of the epic shred session or sessions >from the >following 3 worlds eras. There is one name which refers to the epic >sessions or session from each era. >a. Later Colorado/Golden years answer... "Holidome Jams" >b. California/SF years answer... "Golf Jams" >c. 96' worlds answer... "Tam Tam Jam" **3 adds each for new schoolers as defined above in #1 and partial credit can be earned **1 add each for old schoolers as defined above and no partial credit Current Standings... Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 11 Dennis Lee - 3 Yacine - 7 Ian Dubman - 6 Tina Lewis - 7 Brad Kaplin - 20 John Schneider - 34 GF Smoothie - 25 Becca - 33 Aaron Edggerton - 7 Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 3 Shredstein - 7 Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 Phillip Summers - 3 Sebastian Duchesne - 6 More riveting Trivia soon... :) ironman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:19:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01575 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:19:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f61.hotmail.com [209.185.131.124]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23220 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:04:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 89575 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 1999 21:06:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220210647.89574.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 148.4.16.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:06:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [148.4.16.164] From: "Bob Jones" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] music? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:06:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there. Just out of curiosity, I was wondering if any (or many) of you listen to music while you are hackin/kickin/shreddin/freestylin/etc... If so, what do some of you listen to? Does anybody find that the beat from the song helps you keep a rhythm? or get into it more? ps...Am I having a lot of trouble doin some of these moves (not even the hard ones, but the 2 adds and stuff) because I am wearing pants when I hack instead of shorts??? The bag does seem to get caught quite a bit.... Thanks Jae 'Squanto' From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:21:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01593 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:21:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23605 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:11:58 -0800 Received: from [206.66.71.19] (ppp-206-66-71-19.atext.com [206.66.71.19]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02294; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:14:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501bf4a70$4f0e6800$10affea9@hlb.cable.rcn.com> References: <000501bf4a70$4f0e6800$10affea9@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:15:18 -0500 To: "Tyler Guindon" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Mirage Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:27 PM -0500 12/19/99, Tyler Guindon wrote: >Now my question with the Jobs is that wouldn't the OP TOE [DEL] part imply >using the opposite foot from the setting leg? Nope. The decision is arbitrary, but we've all agreed to make it "opposite of last component". Read my tutorial again: http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/5-minute-notation.html Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:21:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01604 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:21:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23620 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:12:10 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.e8e84f08 (3957) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:14:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.e8e84f08.258ff641@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:14:41 EST Subject: [freestyle] Consistency To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org While I had a great time at Eastmust on the one day i was there, i realized I need to be a ton more consistent. I was wondering about some drills to help this. Other than just doing the same move over and over. That gets real boring. I can do the following moves on both sides: legover, ATW, mirage, clip mirage, para. mirage, pixi. I already am a fan of legover>mirage>legover>mirage...any others with those moves? Owen "Total yet Inconsistent Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 13:30:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01633 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:30:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp2.ncal.verio.com (smtp2.ncal.verio.com [207.20.246.162]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23872 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:20:41 -0800 Received: from JON ([207.20.242.81]) by smtp2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA21622 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:23:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a001bf4b31$017ccca0$0200a8c0@JON> From: "Jon Azen" To: "freestyle" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping Set Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:27:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeff, One thing that really has helped me with the stepping set is "opening my body to the footbag" - turning my torso towards the set. My support leg seems to easily follow and float over the bag when I do this. Jon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 16:04:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01830 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:04:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f153.hotmail.com [216.32.181.153]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24146 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:29:45 -0800 Received: (qmail 70447 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 1999 21:32:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220213219.70446.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.168.49.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:32:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.168.49.221] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shreducation video Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:32:19 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, Hope everyone's doing great. If you're reading this, thanks for your time. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have a video I made on footbag that I'm trying to sell. I'm a film student who has just graduated from college and since two summers ago, I was thinking of making a short film on footbag. This video is it. It's all about footbag but more specifically freestyle. I've included the sport's history, the proper etiquette to follow when playing, the shoes to play with (Rod Lavers) and the modifications (unstitching & lacing), the tricks (there's over 100) and small shreds to finish it off. In total, the duration of the film is twenty minutes long. It may sound short (especially if you've seen Eli's "Sultans of Shred" which is two hours long) but there's a lot in it. I really think it's a great video for beginners to watch since it kind of resembles a promotional video of the sport. The stylers in it are mainly players from the city of Montreal, Quebec where I reside which the exception of Josh Penney and Ken Somolinos. Anyway, if any of you think you may be interested. Send me some e-mail and I can give you more information. Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 16:06:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01850 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:06:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28262 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:50:45 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991220235337.JZOR18871.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:53:37 -0800 Message-ID: <385EC1A6.1284B581@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:54:14 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Cecconi CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Smear, Smudge References: <0.bfb60e6e.258e9ce9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Cecconi wrote: > > I am questioning the jobs notation for the smear and the smudge on > footbag.org. Here they are > > Smear: TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > OP IN/OUT [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL] > > Smudge: TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL] Thanks for noting that. It has now been fixed. I think that this problem comes from back-in-the-day. If you watch Tricks of the Trade, Kenny doesn't distinguish between mirage and reverse mirage. He calls both of them 'mirage'. Building on this ambiguity, a 'smear' is a 'pixie opposite side mirage'. Using back-in-the-day naming, the second dex could be either IN (mirage) or OUT (rev. mirage). Over the years, smear has been broken into two unique moves: Smear: TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > OP IN [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL] Smudge: TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL] Thanks again for finding this problem. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 16:06:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01860 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:06:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28498 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:58:53 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991221000200.KDJU18871.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:02:00 -0800 Message-ID: <385EC39E.42261C24@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:02:38 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tyler Guindon CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Mirage References: <000501bf4a70$4f0e6800$10affea9@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tyler Guindon wrote: > I was just looking at the Jobs for a mirage on > footbag.org and this is how it is exactly: SET > OP IN [DEX] > OP TOE [DEL]. > Now my question with the Jobs is that wouldn't the OP TOE [DEL] part imply > using the opposite foot from the setting leg? Some people think that Job's notation is hard. I think that those people haven't bothered to look at things logically. There is a great tutorial on footbag.org. I would encourage everyone to read it. http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/5-minute-notation.html Your question is perfectly valid and is the biggest source of misunderstanding. 'same and op' refer to the leg doing the previous component. So, when you set from your right foot and then dex with your right leg, it is called 'same'. If you then do a dex with your left leg, it is called 'op'. It is called 'op' because the right leg did the previous component - NOT because the bag was set from the right foot. So, mirage is: SET > OP IN > OP TOE SET - set from any surface - clip, toe, heel, dragon, etc. OP IN - the leg that did not do the previous component (the set) goes in to out. OP TOE - the leg that did not do the previous component (the dex) catches on a toe delay. Did that make sense? If it did or did not, read the tutorial anyway. That is the only way you can convey freestyle in written form. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 16:10:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01872 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:10:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24720 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:46:57 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.85faf103 (6153) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.85faf103.258ffe60@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:20 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping Set To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Jeff Lopes wrote, >Im just wondering if anyone out there has any tips on Stepping Set that they >would like to share. Should the clipper delay be close to your support leg? > Is the support leg moving straight up or to the side? When I see some of >the videos on footbag and dallasfootbag, they are all done realatively fast, >with the support leg launched hard up. I dotn know if I have to set the >footbag at the same time as I jump or just a bit before. As you can see I >really would like some advise, this elment of footbag is crutial to a lot of >moves (ripwalk, blur..etc). wow, wow, wow My understnding of stepping was a clipper set with an in to out dex with the opposite leg then a dex on the same side. With the moves hes posted above I was under the impression that that was blurry. Will someone please clear this up for me. Thanks Adam"ShredinnJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 18:54:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02315 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:54:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29225 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:21:42 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991221002446.KNPE18871.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:24:46 -0800 Message-ID: <385EC8F4.A616B05A@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:25:24 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Mrosko , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping Set References: <0.85faf103.258ffe60@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > (ripwalk, blur..etc). > wow, wow, wow My understnding of stepping was a clipper set with an in to > out dex with the opposite leg then a dex on the same side. With the moves > hes posted above I was under the impression that that was blurry. Will > someone please clear this up for me. I would love to :) Stepping is the set. You can have either 'stepping same side' moves or 'stepping opposite side' moves. All blurry moves are stepping opposite side, but not all stepping opposite side moves are blurry... it kinda goes back to that 'all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares' thing that I learned in third grade. So, when describing a move in technical names, you *never* say blurry. You say 'stepping opposite side'. Blurry is an odd little concept that means 'stepping paradox'. So, blurry applies to a select few stepping moves. Since it can not be consistently defined, it is not used in technical naming. However, people fear change. So, you will hear some people call a torque a 'blurry osis' and others will insist that blurry only applies to paradox moves. So, just don't use it. For the sake of consistency and mutual understanding on this list, don't describe a set as 'blurry'. Cool? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 18:54:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02310 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:54:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28802 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:07:13 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991221001019.KHBZ18871.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:10:19 -0800 Message-ID: <385EC591.7350B2AA@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:10:57 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Freller CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] question? References: <19991220063607.19562.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hans Freller wrote: > > symposium butterfly swirl can any one give me the > correct notation if my one is incorrect > > clip>(no plant)opp out/in dex>opp swirl>same xbd del That is close enough to work, but it should be: SET > (no plant while) SAME or OP OUT [DEX] > OP FRONT/BACK SWIRL [DEX] > SAME CLIP [XBD][DEL] SET - can be set from any surface (no plant while) - symposium SAME or OP OUT - With butterfly, it doesn't matter where you set from or what leg does the dex as long as the dex is out to in OP FRONT/BACK SWIRL - The leg that didn't just do the butterfly now swirls the bag. Currently, there is no distinction between a front swirl (though a lot of people call this reverse swirl) and a back swirl (many people just call swirl) SAME CLIP - the same foot that swirled does the ending clipper delay. Make sense? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 18:54:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02320 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:54:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28887 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:11:30 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991221001435.KIYW18871.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:14:35 -0800 Message-ID: <385EC691.D87358FC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:15:13 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Jones CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] music? References: <19991220210647.89574.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bob Jones wrote: > > ps...Am I having a lot of trouble doin some of these moves (not even the > hard ones, but the 2 adds and stuff) because I am wearing pants when I hack > instead of shorts??? Yes. You can play a game called Hacky Sack in pants, but the sport of footbag freestyle can be played only in shorts. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 18:55:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02341 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:55:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29243 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:22:15 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.29af64d5 (4427) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:24:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.29af64d5.259022d2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:24:50 EST Subject: [freestyle] backside? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, What exactly does the term backside denote in such moves as Backside Symposium Smear(Pixie Symposium Mirage), or Backside Symposium Toe Blur (quatnum symposium mirage)? Thanks, Windsen Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 18:58:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02355 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:58:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02352 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:58:28 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32741 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:51:47 -0800 Received: from [206.66.71.38] (ppp-206-66-71-46.atext.com [206.66.71.46]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23184 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:54:20 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199912210028.QAA01919@list.footbag.org> References: <199912210028.QAA01919@list.footbag.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:54:40 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] backside? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Windsen Pan wrote: > What exactly does the term backside denote in such moves as Backside >Symposium Smear(Pixie Symposium Mirage), or Backside Symposium Toe Blur >(quatnum symposium mirage)? It means that the symposium is applied to the second dex instead of the first. It's Kenny's wording. I never really liked it 'cause it's confusing because back also means "not front". But in this case the front side of a move is the first part, and the back side is the second part. So where you have multiple dexterities, it's not clear what "symposium" refers to. ("Symposium Smear" would be ambiguous. So we say "Backside Symposium Smear" to clarify which dexterity is symposium. Note, when you write it out as "Pixie Symposium Mirage", it's obvious because you say "Symposium Mirage". Though "Symposium Pixie" is kind of silly to begin with. :-)) But in general, it just makes it clear which dex of two is symposium. I'm not sure how it really applies cleanly to all situations, though. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 18:59:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02367 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:59:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp1.ncal.verio.com (smtp1.ncal.verio.com [207.20.246.161]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29839 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:43:56 -0800 Received: from JON ([207.20.242.81]) by smtp1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA20989 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:47:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <022c01bf4b4d$6b3eb560$0200a8c0@JON> From: "Jon Azen" To: "freestyle" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping Set Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:50:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > Hey stylers, >Jeff Lopes wrote, >>Im just wondering if anyone out there has any tips on Stepping Set that they >>would like to share. > wow, wow, wow My understnding of stepping was a clipper set with an in to >out dex with the opposite leg then a dex on the same side. Search for "stepping" on footbag.org in the freestyle section. This will list a bunch of moves that begin with "clip > op in[dex]". This is a stepping set. Jon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 18:59:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02377 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:59:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2005.mail.yahoo.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31372 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:51:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 558 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 1999 01:54:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221015416.557.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.40.144] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:54:16 PST Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred Roster To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey, blades, a while ago I said I'd post who is confirmed and considering coming to the shred symposium in February. Here it is (as of late): Definites: 'Big Add' Chad Devlahovic (CA), Brian 'Kamikaze' McKenzie (NB), Eric 'Wicked' Windsor (CA), Sunil 'Tsunami' Jani (CA), Ethan Klein (CA), Richie Abshire (CA), James Widman (KS). Considering: Peter 'Executioner' Irish (MD), Scott 'Enlightener' Davidson (IL), Lon Smith (CA), Cameron Kennedy (CA), Mel Schneider (MA), Ariel Santesteban (TX), Steve 'Master' Goldberg (CA), Ryan 'Regulator' Mulroney (CA), James Roberts (TX), Ian Dubman (MO), The Locals: Rippin' Rick Reese, Daryl 'Genzu' Genz, Dave 'Highlander' Holton, 'Shred' Red Husted, 'Galactic' Eli Piltz, Jonathan Schneider, Paul Mestas, Brad Kaplan, Shay Wright, and more. To all you considerers out there, let me know. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 20:43:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02528 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:43:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00755 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:10:57 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FN200801MBHU5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:14:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:14:05 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] question? In-reply-to: <19991220063607.19562.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> To: Hans Freller Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 19 Dec 1999, Hans Freller wrote: > symposium butterfly swirl can any one give me the > correct notation if my one is incorrect > > would that be the correct name for the move if there > is such a move if not could someone give me some help. If you though of it, then it's a move! > How many adds is this move? 5 Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 20:43:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02538 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:43:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00705 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:08:41 -0800 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.15]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA653A; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:12:29 -0700 Message-ID: <385EF1FF.5C60D2A4@isu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:20:31 -0700 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Windsen Pan , "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] backside? References: <0.29af64d5.259022d2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Windsen, You almost answer your own question. > > What exactly does the term backside denote in such moves as Backside > >Symposium Smear(Pixie Symposium Mirage), or Backside Symposium Toe >Blur > >(quatnum symposium mirage)? Backside in a symposium move is when the second dex is the one done symposium. Frontside, on the other hand, is when the first dex is done symposium. The corresponding examples are frontside symposium smear (symposium pixie mirage) and frontside symposium toe blur (symposium quantum mirage assuming it is still called quantum when it is symposium). Later, Bob From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 20:44:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02549 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:44:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01724 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:56:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 60480 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1999 03:59:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221035908.60479.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.118.140.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:59:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.118.140.37] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, chemosh669@hotmail.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] music? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:59:08 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Derric wrote: > You can play a game called Hacky Sack in pants, but the sport of >footbag freestyle can be played only in shorts. Shred with Carol sometime. She plays a game called "footbag frestyle" in tights, and she's pretty good at it. CF PS-thanks to Neil and Vince for setting up East Must Jam, and being such good hosts. I had a great time shredding with everybody there. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 20:50:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02587 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:50:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f80.hotmail.com [216.32.181.80]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02320 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:22:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 31564 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1999 04:25:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221042515.31563.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.108 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:25:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.108] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Consistency Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:25:15 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Owen Parrish >While I had a great time at Eastmust on the one day i was there, i > >realized I yep, definitely a great time! thanks all! >I can do the following moves on both sides: legover, ATW, mirage, >clip mirage, para. mirage, pixi. I already am a fan of >legover>mirage>legover>mirage...any others with those moves? it seems the only stuff i was hitting at the eastmust was, mirage, legover, pixie, atw and toe>op in>same toe.. dunno what that's called. i had a great time hitting those, like someone posted a few days ago, when you can hit a string of 50 2-add moves, then you've really mastered them. so for now i'm enjoying hitting strings of 2adds. oh, i also hit a dlo.. John is my witness!! :) hope some of you can make it to NYC for a weekend or something. i'm so psyched about the next shred, it's a lot more fun kicking with others than in a lonely, cold basement.. later. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 20 21:58:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02709 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:58:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03995 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:49:06 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA165 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:06 -0800 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] spins in general Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:05 -0800 Message-ID: <007201bf4b77$83884300$592121cf@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric Scalf... >When you say inspinning butterfly, which leg does the dex? Is it the >set leg? yes >What if you set it off of your toe? not currently defined in any more detail than "it is a spin" no matter what you do off a toe spin >How about inspinning legover? which leg do you want to know about? >Does the set leg do the dex? If you say so. >What if it is set from toe? not currently defined in any more detail than "it is a spin" no matter what you do off a toe spin >And what is a gyro swirl? Just follow the definition for gyro and swirl and there you have it. >Does the set leg do the dex (as in most gyro moves)? you mean, as in all gyro moves... yes, why not?(although I hate the def of gyro) >What if you set it from toe? not currently defined in any more detail than "it is a spin" no matter what you do off a toe spin >Inspinning swirl? Up to you which leg does the dex. Either one can do it until you further constrict the definition. On an in-spinning gyro swirl the set leg would do the swirl. I'm not to sure what your point may have been on this post Derric. If you are confused than that is one thing. But the system is not wrong if you are confused. However, if you were truly asking questions about what these spinning moves might be than slap me silly and call me an ignorant Jersey boy... but I got the impression you were trying to make a point about a weak system as opposed to sincerely asking questions. >Until spins are defined by what side of the body is involved (ex. >spinning same side, spinning opposite side, inspinning same side, >inspinning opposite side), spins will not be accurately defined. If it's doesn't have a name, why not just describe it? If it's not worthy of being a concept than why worry about it? >The current definition of gyro requires the set leg to do the first >dex. That's kinda silly if you think about gyro swirl. I agree totally on this point. >Gyro *should* mean "spinning same side". Who cares what leg does the >first dex? With a definition based on 'side of body', you can have gyro swirl, >twirl, osis, clipper, etc. I think gyro should be done away with unless it involves the components of the original gyro(gyro butterfly) i.e. gyro scorpion's tail. >If I'm wrong on any of this, please give me the simple and consistent >definition of all types of spins. Be sure that the definition accounts >for ALL moves - not just the basic ones. The current definitions are simple and also account for all moves. The only problem I see is gyro as a definition in general. (although it is simple and accountable) This is mainly because, upon it's creation as a definition, those creating it only accounted for spins as set from x-body and a "dex" had to be involved. Why would a dex be the defining aspect of a spin???! That in itself is a major wake up call. Hello!.. :) Remember, "Gyro" was a move long before it was a concept. It is difficult to take a move and then try to define a concept based on some aspect of the move. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 09:07:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03224 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:07:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03221 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:07:02 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28052 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:00:15 -0800 Received: from [206.66.71.43] (ppp-206-66-71-43.atext.com [206.66.71.43]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23479 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:02:52 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:03:17 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Some list policy stuff (please everyone read) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As we get new members, and lose old ones, it's often important for me to update you all on list policies. (Because we frequently lose members as a result of too much traffic on the list, many of the policies are geared towards keeping the list "clean", i.e., free of unnecessary traffic.) I don't always give the whole thing in one shebang because it's not really written down everywhere, and even if it was, nobody would read it all. So this message is just going to touch on a couple of things: (1) Don't reply to the list when people ask questions like "what's your favorite music?" and "what's your ICQ number?". I wouldn't allow these messages to go through if they weren't okay; the problem is in the replies. If you reply to a message like this, you should *ONLY* reply to the *SENDER* and not to the list. (Just use your mail program's "reply" command, not "reply to all".) It's then the original requestor's responsibility to *summarize* the responses he got (if requested by others on the list). So for instance, the "what's your ICQ number" request could result in the person asking that question compiling a list of ICQ numbers and sending out *one* e-mail in a week or so, with all the responses thus far. Then, that person can become the *keeper of the ICQ directory* for footbag. This way, he's pitching in and doing his part to help the community, rather than just generating traffic on the list. This is standard and goes back to the beginning of e-mail discussion lists (yes, the culture around e-mail lists is older than you think). It helps if people asking such questions actually say "reply to me and not to the list". (2) Don't post answer to questions you don't definitely know the answer to or that have already been answered. There are a *lot* of advanced freestylers on this list. But they don't always check their mail every minute. If you see a question and you're only partially sure of your answer, then please wait until you make sure nobody else with better knowledge posts! Especially if you are reading the message late, and several replies have *already* been posted. Try to read through all the messages on any given day *before* posting a reply to any of them. This will keep you from knee-jerk responses that are often out of synch and invalid. The newer members on this list have no idea who are the more reliable sources, and they will take even partially correct answers as gospel! I'm not saying that only a few people should be ordained to reply; I'm just saying if you're not sure, then don't risk it! And *especially* if a clear answer has already been posted by one of the people you know is usually accurate in his/her replies. (2a) Corollary: you don't need to post replies to the list for all requests. Some requests are really just that one person seeking information. You have to think about whether or not the entire list would *really* want to see your reply. Make that decision based on the level of proficiency you feel you have on the subject at hand, and the scope and uniqueness of the question. If it's a question you see over and over again on the list, please just reply directly to that person to save all those other players from seeing the same messages over and over again. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 13:53:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03450 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:53:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f101.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.101]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA30594 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:36:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 24411 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1999 18:39:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221183925.24409.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.108.24.25 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:39:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.108.24.25] From: "Kevin Wendt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] pants? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:39:25 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric wrote- >Yes. You can play a game called Hacky Sack in pants, but the sport >of >footbag freestyle can be played only in shorts. Who says? I play in pants and am hitting all sorts of stuff. It is more diffucult to play in shorts, but if you live in the midwest, you know that when you play outside in the winter, you CAN'T play in shorts. So it is possible to hit the harder tricks (and if you try, it will make it easier when you do have shorts on). See ya Kevin "the smiley killer" Wendt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 14:07:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03465 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:07:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03462 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:07:20 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03901 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:00:31 -0800 Received: from [206.66.71.43] (ppp-206-66-71-21.atext.com [206.66.71.21]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03369 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:56:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991221183925.24409.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991221183925.24409.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:57:00 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] pants? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kevin Wendt wrote: > Who says? I do. So there. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 18:50:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03869 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:50:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09892 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:11:54 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.e8f1419e (6621) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:14:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.e8f1419e.25918e00@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:14:24 EST Subject: [freestyle] Back Stall? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been searching the lists, and I can't find anything for back stall. I think that is a great stall. If you are wondering how to get it off and keep it going, well, i've done it before. You back stall then start spinning almost as hard as you can and enventually the footbag just flys right off. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 18:50:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03874 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:50:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09942 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:15:33 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.ae99d09f (6621) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:18:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ae99d09f.25918ee2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:18:10 EST Subject: [freestyle] Need to know what I need to do next. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am 13 and I have been hackin' for a long time now. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the next move I should practice until I get it(thats how i do with all moves, do nothing else until you get this move down). I have the dragonfly kick down, butterfly kick, clipper stall and kick, flying clipper, toe stall, outside stall, insidestall, and somtimes I can get a flapper stall. Can someone tell me what I should learn next. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 22:07:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04063 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:07:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11960 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:45:03 -0800 Received: from storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.91]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FD72D5DB; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA25490; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:48:18 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAjPUn2k8EUbjCn5Gzfmccn9z/IBsCFHI1uK0SyvPMyPeLkDyvE6Fg1kYD From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:48:17 -0500 (EST) To: MasteCid@aol.com (Evan Edmondson) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Back Stall? Message-ID: <18766-38604A01-10780@storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Evan Edmondson 's message of Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:14:24 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Evan wrote: >You back stall then start spinning almost >as hard as you can and enventually the >footbag just flys right off. Uhmmm, .........no. There are a lot of ways to get out of a back stall better than that. A nice SMOOTH spin is a great one, but it is not a very fast spin. Slowly standing up as you spin determines when the bag drops down. You can also slowly roll it down your back by lifting your upper body. This is a good way to do a blind pinch. GF Smoothie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 22:12:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04083 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:12:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f56.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.56]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14457 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:37:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 11114 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 05:39:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222053947.11113.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.184.28.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:39:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [161.184.28.31] From: "Matt Dick" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Repair time Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:39:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OK hi again all, It finally happened... THe other fay at school when i was kickin with friends, the 'ol TwiSTed gave up the ghost and sprouted a small hole... luckily i didnt lose anuy beads and i have caught it in the early stages... it is repairable. I have quite kickin with it,. Shoukld i order sum freesole? How do i use it? Also someone the other day was talkin about some type of cement that works better than freesole.... any more on this???. And also does freesole make your back crusty... or is it nice and soft still? Just about hittin mirage :P sheeesh i've been @ this forever!!!! ANyway thanx for all the info. MaTt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 21 22:12:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04094 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:12:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13043 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:36:43 -0800 Received: from mail2.magma.ca (mail2x.magma.ca [206.191.0.220]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19871 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave (port247.magma.ca [206.191.5.247]) by mail2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10803 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:39:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01bf4c36$5ddef120$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Need to know what I need to do next. Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:38:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >I am 13 and I have been hackin' for a long time now. I was wondering if >anyone had any suggestions for the next move I should practice until I get >it(thats how i do with all moves, do nothing else until you get this move >down). I have the dragonfly kick down, butterfly kick, clipper stall and >kick, flying clipper, toe stall, outside stall, insidestall, and somtimes I >can get a flapper stall. Can someone tell me what I should learn next. Well I think I'm qualified enough to answer this one... :) First, get the movelist from http://www.footbag.org, then look in the 2-add section. You have covered all of the basic components already (other than spins), so you can start flailing your legs around the bag for fun. I would recommend going for the legover, the around-the-world stall, and the mirage (set with the toe and with the clipper). Sigh... I wish I had found footbag when I was 13... Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 07:05:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04550 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:05:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f272.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.50]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA02378 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:06:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 52854 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 14:09:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222140917.52853.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:09:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pants? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:09:17 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Who says? I play in pants and am hitting all sorts of stuff. It is >more >diffucult to play in shorts, but if you live in the midwest, you know that >when you play outside in the winter, you CAN'T play in shorts. I think you might be sorely outnumbered on this one. I am from Missouri, and I know many guys from Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, and even in Wisconsin (it is COLD there)--we all kick in shorts during the winter. *The Trick: We kick inside. Late, Ian D. PS The more advanced your knowledge and abilities in this sport become, you will find it less desirable to kick in shorts. I promise. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 21:50:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05472 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:50:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.89]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08502 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:33:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 67808 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 18:36:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222183637.67807.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.108.24.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:36:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.108.24.31] From: "Kevin Wendt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] shorts vs. pants Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:36:37 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org All due respect (and yes you guys do deserve it), I think that I am quite capable of pulling the tricks I want to (or can, i guess I should say), in either pants or shorts. Shorts are much cooler, temperature wise, if you've been playing for a prolonged period in a warm area, but if you are in SD, when you play outside, you play in jeans whether you like it or not. I may not be pro, maybe not even intermediate, but when I get there, I will be playing in shorts. Why? 'cause I can. Kevin 'the smiley killer' Wendt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 21:51:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05482 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:51:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f209.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.209]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08714 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:43:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 28066 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 18:45:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222184555.28065.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.108.24.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:45:55 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.108.24.31] From: "Kevin Wendt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] pants? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:45:55 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian Dubman wrote- >I think you might be sorely outnumbered on this one. I am from >Missouri, >and I know many guys from Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, and >even in >Wisconsin (it is COLD there)--we all kick in shorts during >the winter. >*The Trick: We kick inside. Yes,yes. But however, many people are not compliant to us. We are forced to kick outside. We kick inside as much as we can, but outside is where we usually are. And noone, and I mean NOONE, brings shorts wherever they go. We don't, we wear jeans all the time, so we kick in jeans all the time. Just the way we got used to. >PS The more advanced your knowledge and abilities in this sport >become, >you >will find it less desirable to kick in shorts. I promise. OK?!? Explain your position. You just said that you want to kick in shorts, but you also said that it gets less desirable to kick in shorts? I am sure it was just a typo, but I know that I am doing just fine in shorts. Anyone out there, that is intermediate or pro level agree with me on this (yeah right, noone ever agrees with me)? Kevin "smiley killer" Wendt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 21:51:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05492 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:51:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:51:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: "Adam Lahm" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: madcruz@mailcity.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] The Dream X-Sender-Ip: 147.72.124.80 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, I am just posting to get some responses about a footbag I purchased but have not received yet. I ordered the Dream footbag (synthetic suede and 50 panels) from footmart. My freind has the "Fuzzy" Dream and another has the facile juice. Another freind has a synthetic suede one but I forget the name of the footbag. Anyway, I like the "Fuzzy" dream and my freind's juice, but I like the heaviness of the "fuzzy" dream. I decided to get something different and go with the Dream. My question is basically... has anyone used the Dream.... what was your impression as compared to other footbags. Thanks, Adam Lahm ICQ #31316280 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 21:54:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05508 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:54:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from squealer.excite.com ([199.172.153.143]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15590 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:53:25 -0800 Received: from seamore.excite.com ([199.172.148.163]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <19991222235454.RSLY3146.kuku.excite.com@seamore.excite.com> for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:54:54 -0800 Message-ID: <26348461.945906890732.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:54:50 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] repair time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.86.102.72 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ON: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:39:47 GMT "Matt Dick" wrote: >Shoukld i order sum freesole? How do i use it? Also someone the other day was >talkin about some type of cement that works better than freesole.... any more on >this???. >And also does freesole make your back crusty... or is it nice and soft >still? I couldn't tell you about freesole, but I do know that ElastoPlast(the flexi-kind) bandaids work great.... I carry one around with me in my back pack just in case(with a pair of scissors).... just cut the thing to size and stick it on there.... they are soft, maleable, and rarely come off(even through a wash).....AND you probably have a few in your house already! Freesole, or rubber cement may work better, though I've never tried either. Good luck. Allan Victoria, BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 21:55:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05521 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:55:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19513 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:14:45 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA73 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:18:04 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF4CB1.45F575E0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Smear, Smudge Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:18:04 -0800 Organization: JSI Shipping X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric Scalf... >I think that this problem comes from back-in-the-day. If you watch Tricks of >the Trade, Kenny doesn't >distinguish between mirage and reverse mirage. >He calls both of them 'mirage'. Building on this >ambiguity, I just don't want some folks out there to get the wrong idea. I haven't watched tricks of the trade recently... but... I know that if Kenny did not distinguish between mirage and reverse mirage than it was in error. These 2 moves were never considered similar enough to both be mirage. Not even "back in the day". I would theorize that the original jobs for Smear was accounting for the "in-out" as 1 dex description instead of shortening it to "in". Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 21:55:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05531 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:55:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19800 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:26:44 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA110 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:30:04 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:30:05 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF4CB2.F2E5CF60.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] pants? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:30:04 -0800 Organization: JSI Shipping X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kevin wrote... >It is more difficult to play in shorts, but if you live in the midwest, you know >that when you play outside >in the winter, you CAN'T play in shorts. Kevin and all pants hackers... Pants in NO WAY help your game. If it is cold I suggest 1 more thing, if you can't do the indoor thing which was already suggested and highly recommended... You live where it's cold?... then you must own long underwear... use it, put shorts on over them and shred. If you ever get to be an obsessed fool and school freestyle as a lifestyle, as some of us do who replied to your post, than you will look back on this thought you put forth and laugh a good hardy laugh. Pants and freestyle don't mix. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 21:55:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05541 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:55:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f175.hotmail.com [216.32.181.175]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22189 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:09:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 5433 invoked by uid 0); 23 Dec 1999 05:12:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19991223051211.5432.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.111 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:12:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.111] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] worldfootbag.com footbags -- kanga? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:12:11 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I'm ordering my first facile footbag, and doing so at worldfootbag.com they have the facile juice for $25 and a kanga for $26. i'm not getting it 'dirty', just plain. i know the juices are good, anyone kick with the kanga? also, i'm getting a footbag for my even-more-beginner-friend (Igor, for those who attended the eastmust). i was thinking of a sandbag such as the "sandblaster" for more control. just wanted an advice... might a suede juice be better? thanks all, and happy holidays! -Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 22 22:07:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05567 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:07:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05564 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:07:13 -0800 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23512 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:00:12 -0800 Received: from [206.66.71.43] (ppp-206-66-71-33.atext.com [206.66.71.33]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12525 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:03:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BF4CB2.F2E5CF60.ewulff@jsishipping.com> References: <01BF4CB2.F2E5CF60.ewulff@jsishipping.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:03:16 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] pants? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:30 PM -0800 12/22/99, Eric Wulff wrote: >Pants and freestyle don't mix. Clarification: freestyle means different things to different people. My rule of thumb: if you intend to play *guiltless*, you had better retire your baggy clothes and go in for the latest in footbag fashion -- short shorts, shirt tucked in (else no shirt), and leggings if it's really cold outside (you choose -- long underwear, biking tights, etc, but all *under* your shorts). If you can't find short shorts that aren't stupid looking (which I can understand), then just get soccer shorts or other athletic shorts and ROLL THEM UP one notch at the waste band. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 08:23:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06106 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:23:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03434 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:14:41 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FN600201SHXQS@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:17:57 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:17:57 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] pants? In-reply-to: <19991222184555.28065.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Kevin Wendt Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Kevin Wendt wrote: > And noone, and I mean NOONE, brings shorts wherever they go. I do! :) > We don't, we wear jeans all the time, so we kick in jeans all the time. > Just the way we got used to. > OK?!? Explain your position. You just said that you want to kick in > shorts, but you also said that it gets less desirable to kick in shorts? I > am sure it was just a typo, but I know that I am doing just fine in shorts. You mean pants? > Anyone out there, that is intermediate or pro level agree with me on this > (yeah right, noone ever agrees with me)? Man I was gonna agree, but then I saw those parentheses and I didn't want to ruin a perfect record. Seriously though, I don't know what your level of play is or if you are one kind of styler or another. What I'd like to know is what tricks you are hitting and if you are able to as well in pants as you are in shorts (when it's warm enough of course). If you're hitting the larger tricks in pants (dare I say linking them as well) then great. If you are still at a lower intermediate or beginner level then I know where you're at because I used to only where pants and hiking boots to kick in even in 95 degree weather. Then I made the switch and you begin to understand the need to sacrifice simple desires like warmth and comfort for the sweet sweet freedom of movement while kicking your best habit. Exuse me I need a fix, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 09:47:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06180 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:47:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4-ext.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15230 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:25:34 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 121C2m-0004Rc-00; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:28:52 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 121C2c-0001z6-00; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:28:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991221183925.24409.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:45:08 -0600 To: "Kevin Wendt" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] pants? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Kevin and all! > Who says? I play in pants and am hitting all sorts of stuff. It is more >diffucult to play in shorts, but if you live in the midwest, you know that >when you play outside in the winter, you CAN'T play in shorts. Certainly, anyone can hit a number of tricks in pants... but even more certainly, that same person could hit WAY more tricks in shorts. I played outdoors as late as December 14th this year (40 degrees F is my minumum), and I practice on an unheated dock area which gets down into the low thirties in the deep winter... always in shorts, always without a shirt. Of course, I start with the shirt, and in really cold/windy outdoors conditions I will get warm with relatively tight sweatpants or thermal tights (for runners) and then go to shorts. Oh, and you might want to get some Adidas Rod Laver paddles as well. The right equipment is necessary to excell in all sports, kindof explains why the Pro tennis players are using Titanium racquets and not the old wooden ones that most of us grew up on. Good luck! Keep shreddin! Happy Holidays! See ya all sooner than later! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 10:12:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06223 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:12:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1-ext.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15682 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:41:16 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 121CI3-0007lg-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:44:39 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 121CHu-0002yb-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:44:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:01:20 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] New trix? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! Are these two moves new? I've never heard of them, but maybe you have... Do they have names? Gyro Paradox Torque (Zoom) and Slurry Superfly (would be Blurry Superfly, except for the lack of paradox) GPT: (As set from a left clipper delay on the right side of the body). Zoom like set about belly-button height off left clip while turning to the left (like a zoom), plant the left leg and do a paradox torque with the right leg, back to the left clipper. I count 6 adds. Slurry Superfly: (As set from a right clipper delay on the left side of the body): Slurry set (quick simultaneous dex IN-OUT with the left leg and plant with the right leg) and a super fly (symposium barfly) with the right leg ending in a left clipper on right side of body. I count 6 adds. If it were paradox, it would be 7, but it's not. Oh, I've also hit: Symposium Down Double Down (S3D), and I've named it "Super Duper Fly", silly, but I don't care, it fits. I have hit Slurry Superfly several times into other tripless moves, and I've hit GPT into a kick-seal. I am very happy. Eric, you have probably already hit GPT (which needs a better name, you already may have named it). And under Eric's new proposal for add modifications, the spin-into a move won't decline its eligibility for paradox, giving this move the extra add it deserves... the GPT move actually changes spin directions in mid move, pretty neat. Thats it for now! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 10:12:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06228 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:12:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16106 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:00:39 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.fc693fc (4211) for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:03:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.fc693fc.2593bdf1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:03:29 EST Subject: [freestyle] ripwalk To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I have been having trouble with the ripwalk. I've hit it before but I seem to be having trouble with it now. Heres my question do you do the ripwalk with the end as a butterfly or a legover ending in a clipper. Thanks Adam"ShreddinJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 22:08:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07029 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:08:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f200.hotmail.com [216.32.181.200]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22267 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:20:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 92460 invoked by uid 0); 23 Dec 1999 22:23:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991223222316.92459.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.253.210.184 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:23:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.253.210.184] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trix? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:23:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Scott Davidson >Gyro Paradox Torque (Zoom) > That will be a spinning torque not gyro, spinning torque is paradox and gyro torque is not. I think it's call a marius and I saw Brian Mckenzie hit this on on Sultan of Shred (i'm not sure). Danny Cardonne Happy holiday! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 22:08:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07034 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:08:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f179.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.179]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA21448 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:44:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 3645 invoked by uid 0); 23 Dec 1999 21:47:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19991223214726.3644.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.187.75.96 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:47:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.187.75.96] From: "Ian Dubman" To: smiley505@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pants? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:47:26 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Kevin Wendt" < I said... >>PS The more advanced your knowledge and abilities in this sport >become, >>you >>will find it less desirable to kick in shorts. I promise. To which Kevin replied... > OK?!? Explain your position.... am sure it was just a typo, I say... Yep, a typo. I apologize... Should be "more". Point taken I hope. Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 22:09:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07049 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:09:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 6285 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 1999 23:51:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19991223235124.6284.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [161.98.1.141] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:51:24 PST Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: New trix? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Oh, I've also hit: Symposium Down Double Down(S3D), and I've named it "Super Duper Fly", silly, but I don't care, itfits. Symp dwn-dbl-dwn is called 'Shaft', derivitive of its 'Superfly' cousin symp barfly. 'Super Duper Fly' is symposium scorpion tail, yeah, yeah, it's also called 'poisonous toad'. Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 22:09:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07059 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:09:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2003.mail.yahoo.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25205 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:16:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 9405 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 1999 00:19:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19991224001948.9404.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [161.98.1.141] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:19:48 PST Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred RULES 2 To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, There is one modification to the rules I posted before: drops do count as a contact, which affect your add ratio. A drop is considered anytime you halt your string (e.g. if you barely snag a trick and kick it to save it, then a drop is counted). So anytime you break your succession with a drop or kick, that's a zero (0) add contact. Any extra kicks don't count as anything but a time eater. Sealing a trick isn't necessary for it to count, you just have to hit it and display enough control to pull it up again. Say you finish your 45 seconds with a hand catch, the preceding trick counts. Any opinions? Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 22:11:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07071 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:11:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from slippery ([199.172.153.106]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <19991224010143.BMAE4214.ewey.excite.com@slippery> for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: <23614274.945997303916.JavaMail.imail@slippery> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New trix? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.86.101.45 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ON: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 AT: 12:01:20, Scott Davidson wrote: > Slurry Superfly (would be Blurry Superfly, except for the lack of paradox)..... > Slurry Superfly: (As set from a right clipper delay on the left side of the > body): > Slurry set (quick simultaneous dex IN-OUT with the left leg and plant with > the right leg) and a super fly (symposium barfly) with the right leg ending > in a left clipper on right side of body. I can hit this, only, only guiltlessly(triplessly is DOPE, dude!!)(I've done it into prdx mirage).... I also do it without a plant after the first dex....though given your description, you do it this way as well, or is your first dex pogo style? Is that what you mean when you say 'slurry'? I set with right, quick plant with the right, then launch into the first,2nd and 3rd dex's as an all-in-one motion....kinda like a DaDa with a second dex at the end.... I haven't even attempted this 'weak' side yet(left clip set) Notice that this is only one dex away from a Nemesis????(or would that be a symposium nemesis??? Getting that second dex with the lefty is the HARD part:) (for the record, I've never hit Nemesis....YET!!)hehehe:o Allan Haggett Victoria, BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 23 22:11:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07081 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:11:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30132 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:29:06 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA183 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:32:28 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:32:29 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF4D7C.733FAEA0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trix? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:32:27 -0800 Organization: JSI Shipping X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org the enlightener... >GPT: (As set from a left clipper delay on the right side of the body). >Zoom like set about belly-button height off left clip while turning to the >left (like a zoom), plant the left leg and do a paradox torque with the >right leg, back to the left clipper. I count 6 adds. 6 adds is what I count too my friend and it is one of my examples in the proposal for add modifications I submitted to the IFC... "paradox mobius"... check it out. Paradox in spins becomes SO obvious when you start attempting tricks at this level. I think you would agree Scott? On another note... this move is technically not gyro, although I hate the gyro def, because the set leg does not do the dex. But that doesn't effect it's adds... only how you would describe it. It is a spinning paradox torque or a paradox mobius. But not a gyro paradox torque. >Eric, you have probably already hit GPT (which needs a better name, you >already may have named it). And under Eric's new proposal for add >modifications, the spin-into a move won't decline its eligibility for >paradox, giving this move the extra add it deserves... the GPT move >actually changes spin directions in mid move, pretty neat. This move has been hit by a few... Brian KaMcKenzie(on "Sultans" and the Torch to name some of the few. there are others but I'm not one of them. It also has a name which I can't recall right now. Perhaps Marius?? Torch or Brian could confirm I'm sure. Sweet Stuff Scotty D. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 24 10:43:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07581 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:43:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04070 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:17:43 -0800 Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <19991224081922.FRQY3107.fortune.excite.com@prance.excite.com> for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:19:22 -0800 Message-ID: <10485761.946023562207.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:19:21 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: Eric Wulff To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trivia Style 12/23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.33.33.89 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi y'll... Ironman here for another exciting edition of... "TRIVIA STYLE" Hang on now and pay close attention... Some of the all time coolest footbag folks in the world... Brenda, Joe and Julian(a.k.a. "Bubba") Solonoski... own a string of allternative sport shops in Harrisburg area PA. This Funtastik family has been playing and promoting the game of footbag since nearly the beginning of time. Funtastik Alternative Sports Shops sponsors and hosts one of the worlds greatest tournaments every year on Labor Day weekend in Harrisburg, PA. It is an all around event offering competition in all major footbag categories and then some. It has been the scene of some of the greatest freestyle shred and competition of all time. I'm not just talkin out my ass here... :) Twice the freestyle finals at this event has seen 3 dropless routines. More than one other time there have been 2 dropless routines in the finals. The competition is at such a high level and so deep that it is the only tournament in claim Mr. Kenny "Enforcer" Shults as victim before he could make the finals in freestyle. That's right, I do believe there is only 1 time in history that Kenny Shults did not make the finals of a freestyle competition and that was at Funtastik in a year I can't recall right now(93? maybe). At any rate... This brings me to my 1st storybook question... >From the categorie of... "Kinda Tricky" Worth 4 adds if you weren't there... Worth 1 point if you were there... Worth ZERO if you were a participant in the finals(sorry GF)... AND worth -10 adds if you are one of the 2 or 3 people who were there with a video camera but didn't tape this!! ***In 1998 the Funtastik Singles Open Freestyle finals was an epic finish even for Funtastik standards! Greg "Smothiest" Nelson went dropless, Peter "the Executioner" Irish went "Ground Zero", and Eric "that's me" Wulff(the singles world champ at the time) did a 1 drop routine. This of course is not to mention many other mentionable routines. 1. Who won the 1998 Funtastik Singles Open Freestyle Title? ***A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away a little shred that could got organized and became the first ever planned, promoted and celebrated footbag freestyle shred with no official competition. The one and only official "Christmas Jams" of Christmas's past attracted the world's greatest shredders. It ripped many of them right from their warm cozy homes over the holidays to thrash with the best stylers. This event inspired the "East Must" Jam as kickers from the Northeast Coast who couldn't get away during the holidays had to sharpen their blades locally. Thus a little rivalry between Christmas seasonal shreds was born. Official X-mas or East must Jam? Not an easy decision to make. 3 adds 2. What state hosted the original X-mas Jams? 1 add if you're an old schooler(96' or before) 5 adds if you're a newbie 3. Who hosted the original X-mas Jams? Happy Christmas Jam and Merry End of the World Ironman... Out From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 24 10:43:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07591 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:43:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15098 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:56:42 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FN800001JQ967@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:03:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:03:45 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Bubba To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I realized that the only bubba tricks I've seen are eggbeater and clipper set flux. What else have people hit bubba style? Some that I was thinking of are: Bubba Atom smasher Bubba Omelette Bubba drifter And I could go crazy naming others that seem virtually impossible to me so I'll leave it with those three. Unfortunately my Bubba sets have not been schooled, but I know many others have so have you hit these? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 29 14:13:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13299 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:13:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f176.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.176]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA19229 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 05:59:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 72089 invoked by uid 0); 27 Dec 1999 05:02:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19991227050230.72088.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 165.247.43.104 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:02:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [165.247.43.104] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: enlightener@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trix? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:02:29 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Scott posted that he hit some very phat moves and asked about their names. Some of this has already been posted, but another opinion can't hurt. Spinning torque is indeed Marius, currently 5 adds but I agree that it should be 6. Brian hits this on Sultans. Symposium down double is Shaft, as Eli said. Ryan hits this on Sultans. Symposium blurriest...well, I've actually heard this one called super-duper fly. Pete Irish hit a couple of these at East Must. Poisonous toad is symposium scorpion's tail. Oh, and though I've already bitched about it before, I want to say again that I strongly don't like Scott's proposal that a blurry set with no plant be called slurry. I've always understood "slurry" to mean a blurry/pogo/shooting set where the first dex is "the," meaning the bag is released "after the dex." A slurry ripwalk is a jaywalk. Congrats to everybody for hitting such awesome moves. Happy holidays, Ken CF Somolinos PS-people in the NYC area, please e-mail me directly if you are interested in getting together for a freestyle jam in the city in early january. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 29 14:14:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13304 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:14:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Owen Parrish Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19840 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 06:27:37 -0800 Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.3dd59636 (4368) for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3dd59636.2597ff18@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:30:32 EST Subject: [freestyle] Austin Sparks To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What can anybody tell me bout this Austin Sparks kid? I heard he's 8 or something like that and I saw his name in the results of the CA State Championships. That's pretty impressive. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 29 14:15:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13319 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:15:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20402 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:02:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 10268 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 1999 03:59:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19991227035933.10267.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.152] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:59:33 PST Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:59:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] some new moves for me To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I really hope you guys dont take this as bragging, but im very happy!!!!!! Ive been doing so great lately. Last week I was hitting double switch overs.(could of done them a long time ago but I never tried) This week I hit barflys on both sides. And today was just awsome. I learned the legbeater on both sides in like 5 to 10 minutes. Ive also hit 4 paradox legbeaters out of about ten attemps only on left side.(my good side) So anyone happy for me??? Thats ok....Im happy enough for myself. I cant wait to go to tournaments and shred with all the greats...(THE EXECUTIONER, The Ironman, Enlightener, Genzu, Regulator just to name a few.) Happy y2k, Jamez Risden "ShreddinEd" From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 29 14:15:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13329 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:15:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f198.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.198]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21081 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:48:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 63806 invoked by uid 0); 27 Dec 1999 02:25:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991227022523.63805.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.180.64.180 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:25:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.180.64.180] From: "Kevin Wendt" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] I believe Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:25:22 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OK, OK, OK. If all the best freestylers are going the same way on this one, you HAVE to be right. I am right now just going tripless (no less than 2 adds, if I'm not mistaken). I can do everything with or w/o shorts. My shorts are kinda big, however, and get in the way more often then do jeans. If, and that's a big if, I get to the Guilt- or Tripless stage, we'll have to see. I am pretty good, and I'm hoping that Zerbe will back me up on this, and would like to see you guys sooner than you wish. Till then, keep shredin'. Kevin "smiley killer" Wendt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 29 14:16:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13339 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:16:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29751 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:50:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 12779 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 1999 23:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19991227235415.12778.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.193.31] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:54:15 PST Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: [freestyle] Rod Laver Milleniums To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Shredders. I was looking for a pair of the new Rod Laver Milleniums in my local Mall, but found none. One of the store managers even looked through an Adidas catalog trying to find them, but only found nastases, which are leather not mesh. I even called tennis stores and other shoe stores in my area as well. I couldn't wait to get my hands on a pair of the lighter, and more cushioned pair of Rod Lavers. Sunil Jani is already busting in them and from what I understand Big Add Chad is going to make the swich. I decided to look on the internet and it took a while to find them, but I did. If anyone wants new laver Milleniums but can't find them in a store, you can find them at www.feet.com. All you need is a credit card and they will be delivered strait to your door via UPS. (for only $70-$80 depending on how you want them shipped. They are $64.99) Of course they also have the original style of Lavers available. Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 29 19:27:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13894 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:27:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19615 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:26:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 12660 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 1999 02:30:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19991230023015.12659.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.207.48] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:30:15 PST Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:30:15 -0800 (PST) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] Austin Sparks To: Owen Parrish Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > What can anybody tell me bout this Austin Sparks > kid? Hes the best 11 year old freestyler in the world. > I heard he's 8 or something Actually He is 11 > Owen "Total Package" Parrish you shouldn't talk about your "package" on public internet discussion groups. Kids like Austin could be reading this. Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 29 23:54:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14462 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:54:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22540 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:16:28 -0800 Received: from storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.91]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8CD29A7; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id VAA24839; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAq8nK3TyCrRo29Z+8WbhqNoPk37ECFQDGoudOx2b3GguHE6mvBaGreNSjfg== From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:20:16 -0500 (EST) To: smiley505@hotmail.com (Kevin Wendt) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] I believe Message-ID: <13063-386AEB90-3432@storefull-276.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Kevin Wendt" 's message of Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:25:22 CST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, smiley sayed; >m going tripless (no less than 2 adds, if I' I'm sure you mean tiltless : )) Guilt Free Smoothie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 30 21:14:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15801 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:14:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14606 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:50:39 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.17383a86 (3926) for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:54:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.17383a86.259d90f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:54:09 EST Subject: [freestyle] butterfly and such. . . To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone out there! I am 13 but some tell me I have a pretty cool list of moves for my age. . .they are:flapper delay, in/outside delay,toe,clipper kick/stall mirage "kick" ((i kick it back up instead of stalling with toe)) gesture atw butter/dragonfly kick (spin sometimes) . . . back stall heel delay and some other tricks I've made up. . .if anyone interested email me. . . Well, enough of that, I was just wondering how do you keep a, say butterfly going? I mean, I'll be kicking it then go from a outside kick(no plant) same out dex (I hope you know what I mean) and the bag goes flying away from me, out of reach. I have actually kept butterfly going several times, but most of them I can't control. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong. -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 31 01:48:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15992 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:48:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from squealer.excite.com ([199.172.153.143]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18565 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:15:10 -0800 Received: from prance.excite.com ([199.172.153.84]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <19991231081640.IGKM4214.ewey.excite.com@prance.excite.com> for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:16:40 -0800 Message-ID: <7659435.946628200851.JavaMail.imail@prance.excite.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:16:40 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Wulff To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Answers: Trivia Style 12/23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.33.33.89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id AAA15910 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all you crazy kids... :) Happy Holidays! Time to wrap up our 3rd episode of Trivia Style. Look below for a little re-cap of "story time with the wulffman" along with the answers from our 12/23 episode... > From the categorie of... "Kinda Tricky" > Worth 4 adds if you weren't there... Worth 1 point if you were there... > Worth ZERO if you were a participant in the finals(sorry GF)... AND worth > -10 adds if you are one of the 2 or 3 people who were there with a video > camera but > didn't tape this!! > ***In 1998 the Funtastik Singles Open Freestyle finals was an epic finish > even for Funtastik standards! Greg "Smothiest" Nelson went dropless, Peter > "the Executioner" Irish went "Ground Zero", and Eric "that's me" Wulff(the > singles world champ at the time) did a 1 drop routine. This of course is > not to mention many other mentionable routines. > > 1. Who won the 1998 Funtastik Singles Open Freestyle Title? ANSWER... Carol Wedemeyer went "GrOunD zErO" following GF Smoothie and just before Peter went dropless also. I finished out the tourney with a one drop which got me 2nd. Carol Wedemeyer won the 1998 Open Singles Funtastik Freestyle Title. POW!!! > 3 adds > > 2. What state hosted the original X-mas Jams? Answer... Michigan > 1 add if you're an old schooler(96' or before) > 5 adds if you're a newbie > 3. Who hosted the original X-mas Jams? Jay Moldenhauer & GF Smoothie(Greg Nelson)... Current Standings... Aaron Edggerton ñ 7 Adrian Dick ñ 4 Becca ñ 41 Bob Green ñ 4 Brad Kaplin ñ 24 Corey Current ñ 12 Danny Cardonne - 4 Dennis Lee ñ 3 Eli Piltz ñ (-10)... guess who had a camera... :) okay, so he was judging. Even more reason for me ta.. ahh nevermind.. :) Eric ìWickedî Windsor ñ 8 GF Smoothie ñ 33 Ian Dubman ñ 6 Jeremiah J. Riley ñ 6 John Schneider ñ 38 Ken ìCeiling Fanî Semolinos ñ 18 Phillip Summers ñ 3 Scott ìThe Enlightenerî Davidson ñ 11 Sebastian Duchesne ñ 10 Shredstein ñ 7 Stan Sagalovskiy ñ 3 Tina Lewis ñ 7 Yacine ñ 7 I imagine many of you are worried about the effects Y2K may have on Trivia Style. What might happen to our recorded scores and archives of stats and tid bits of footbag history you wonder?? Not to worry... sleep easy tonight cause "Trivia Style" is fully Y2K compliant. I'll be back with more of this crap soon. Y2K can't stop me... sorry... ;) uh.. yeh.. Ironman Out Shred like it's 1999! Just be sure not to Screw up and Shred like it's 1900 from here on... :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 31 01:49:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16002 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:49:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22359 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:35:06 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FNL00201K1653@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:39:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:39:06 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly and such. . . In-reply-to: <0.17383a86.259d90f1@aol.com> To: Evan Edmondson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Evan Edmondson wrote: > Well, enough of that, I was just wondering how do you keep a, say > butterfly going? I mean, I'll be kicking it then go from a outside kick(no > plant) same out dex (I hope you know what I mean) and the bag goes flying > away from me, out of reach. I have actually kept butterfly going several > times, but most of them I can't control. Can someone please tell me what I'm > doing wrong. For starters are you talking about a butterfly stall or a butterflier, which is a butterfly but with a kick instead of a stall? Also, does the bag go flying away from you after you do the out dexterity or after you kick or delay the bag? I'll assume it's after you kick or delay the bag. Unfortunately, if you are talking about a butterflier then I will be of no help because fliers are just a little beyond me when it comes to being able to play out of them. Come to think about it, I have a good suggestion. Forget butterflies or butterfliers for a little while (at least two weeks) and work on clipper delays back to back and flying clippers back to back. I'm not sure whether or not you work both sides equally, but from my experience you should, and you should probably get those two tricks down before going on to the butter moves. I think two weeks would give you at least enough time to get the mechanics down without getting bored and then the butterstuff will come easier. I suggest you also wait at least 24 hours before taking my advice as something/someone better may come along. Now who wants to argue with me? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 31 10:20:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16438 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:20:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11087 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 07:58:20 -0800 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id z.0.289d16a8 (4264) for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:01:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.289d16a8.259e2d70@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:01:52 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] butterfly and such. . . To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Evan wrote >>mirage "kick" ((i kick it back up instead of stalling with toe)) you shouldn't do that its a lot easier to stall the bag I mean it almost stalls itself on a mirage. >>and some other tricks I've made up. I'm sure that you have made nothing up. No offense. Freestyle has a name for everything. >>I mean, I'll be kicking it then go from a outside kick(no >>plant) same out dex (I hope you know what I mean) and the bag goes flying >>away from me, out of reach. I have actually kept butterfly going several >>times, but most of them I can't control. Can someone please tell me what I'm >>doing wrong. I'm not exactly the master at these but think its the flexibility in your ankle. When you kick you must have good flexibility so you can make the bag go straight up then you can play off it. Also I hope you can do all the moves you listed on both sides because if you cant you'll regret it later. Adam"ShreddinJed"Mrosko From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 31 12:18:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16527 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:18:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15656 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:05:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 25058 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 1999 20:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19991231200952.25057.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.225] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:09:52 PST Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:09:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] oh yeah!!! To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I sealed a legbeater with a ripwalk!!!!!!!! What other moves could I work on that would improve my pdx legbeater. I can pull them outta my ass on good side but I still havent hit one badside. Hey Scott man, we should get together and shred somtime, Chicago's not that far from here!!!! Ive never seen live shred accept from me and my friend Adam. later everyone, Jamez Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 31 13:32:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16588 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:32:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17085 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:20:29 -0800 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust98.tnt50.chi5.da.uu.net [63.11.86.98]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25833 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:24:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <386D1EEF.C5D14E10@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:24:00 -0600 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New move? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I was just sittin' here bored and like always my mind turned to footbag and I started thinking about moves.... now I don't know if this move is even possible but I think it is, I know I can't hit it I was wondering if anyone out there can hit this and if it has a name other than this. It's a paradox symposium whirling swirl flapper. so clip > same in > (no plant while) op back swirl > same flap. I count 7 adds. am I wrong? Tim "The Novice" Werner