From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sat Oct 18 17:15:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA03484 for sewing-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:15:21 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:16:50 -0700 To: sewing@majordomo.footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [sewing] Test Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org This is the first message posted to sewing@majordomo.footbag.org -- it is just a test. Steve From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Oct 19 08:59:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA09679 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 08:59:18 GMT Message-Id: <199710190902.FAA30076@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] Welcome Fellow Sewers! Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:06:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Footbag sewers, that is... Thanks for your patience. Daniel here. Looking forward to a lively discussion on a subject near and dear to my heart, the custom fabrication of footbags! Obviously you subscribed to this list because you too have an interest. Welcome. I encourage each of us to soon post a short intro about 1. your past and current connection to sackmaking and 2. your specific interest(s)/desires in this discussion. sewing@majordomo.footbag.org As you probably already know, my interests lie on the creative side -- experimenting with innovative footbag concepts, unusual designs, materials & techniques... as well as in using the "footbag making medium" as a form of peer education and streetside social work -- and in popularizing the sport of footbag by getting more people sewing their own... lots more people! Also, I volunteer to post and credit any pictures (jpg files or hard photos) of people's custom, handmade, creations -- either to show off or solicit artistic feedback from the list -- on my "custom footbag showcase" page at the FOOTBAG PEACE INITIATIVE online. ( http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/custom.html ) Finally, I want to thank S. Goldberg for encouraging me to go forward and setting this up for us! Please inform other sack sewers and wannabes about this list! I know they are out there, cause wherever I go I always meet people who make their own. If we cultivate it, the circle will grow! Thread your needles... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Mon Oct 20 17:10:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01216 for sewing-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:10:20 GMT From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199710201709.MAA11928@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [sewing] 32 panel To: sewing@footbag.org Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:09:35 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hi, I just started to make a 32 panel and I was wondering if there is any certain way people sew this up. Do you just take a piece and sew from there or do you sew 5 or 6 pieces and them link them to another 5 or 6 pieces? I was also wondering what is a way to increase speed on sewing bags. I made a couple of 12 panels and they take about 2 hours to sew. I'm curious to hear about some secrets and what not. Later. -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ UNLFC President | o 00201887@bigred.unl.edu /_\_ http://www.unl.edu/crec/SC/footbag \ ------------------------------------- From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 21 01:34:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05697 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:34:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:34:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Derric Scalf To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] four seams... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Does anyone have any advice for sewing a bag where more than three panels come together at a seam? I feel that I can sew pretty well, and after an epiphany with 12-panel bags, I can sew bags with three panels coming together at a seam. It is just when 4 or more panels come together. I am about ready to tear open the remains of my first Stork - it served me well - and see how it was done. Any advice before I go to these extreme measures? By the way, it is good to see this list. -Derric From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 21 15:33:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00486 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:33:02 GMT Message-ID: <3475B851.4D32@sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:35:29 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derric Scalf CC: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] four seams... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Derric Scalf wrote: > > Does anyone have any advice for sewing a bag where more than three panels > come together at a seam? Yes. The corner will be tight only if you "go all the way around" it with the thread. Do not try to shortcut. Add all four+ pieces at once. You must make a completely closed loop, then pull it tight. ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 21 15:35:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00515 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:35:41 GMT Message-ID: <3475B8EF.6BBC@sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:38:07 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> CC: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] 32 panel References: <199710201709.MAA11928@bigred.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Theron A Troxel wrote: > > Hi, > > I just started to make a 32 panel and I was wondering if there is any > certain way people sew this up. Of course it depends if it is a soccer ball style 32, or ... the other kind, with 20 triangles. The latter is much easier to sew. Start with one pentagon, and go around it, adding all the pieces at every corner. ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 21 19:45:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02447 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:45:14 GMT Message-Id: <199710211949.PAA03354@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] Sewing multi panels Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:51:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org As to Theron's questions... >I just started to make a 32 panel and I was wondering if there is any >certain way people sew this up. Do you just take a piece and sew >from there or do you sew 5 or 6 pieces and then link them to another 5 >or 6 pieces? The critical thing on the 32 is to keep the TENSION EQUAL THROUGHOUT so the final product comes out perfectly round. See... http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/32pfoot.html My system is to sew one "flower" (one pent surrounded by five hexes) at a time, with two complete stitches on each side of each pent. I also take one stitch to join the adjacent hexes at each corner before setting off on another side of the "flower". When one flower is entirely complete, I then apply liberal tension and spread it around. I guage the tension visually, by the shape of the "squiggles". As I continue sewing the 12 "flowers", I check and compare the tension so that they are all as equal as possible. Sometimes, if one or two are noticeably more loose, I will hitchhike back and apply more tension (post facto) by looping the thread under the loose ones and pulling a bit. >I was also wondering what is a way to increase speed on >sewing bags. I made a couple of 12 panels and they take about 2 hours >to sew. I'm curious to hear about some secrets and what not. I tried to increase my speed in 1989 since I was trying to earn a living sewing footbags. As a result I got carpal tunnel syndrome, a painful and debilitating injury of the nerves in the wrist. Sew fast if you wish, but grip the needle gently and use your entire arm and shoulder (not just the hand and wrist) in your sewing stroke! Again I'd like to ask the members of this list to post a short intro, who, where and what your sewing interests are... so we can become acquainted. I know who you are, but not the others on the list. Thanks! Daniel From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 22 14:38:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA08719 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:38:50 GMT From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199710221438.JAA06562@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [sewing] intro To: sewing@footbag.org Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:38:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hey, Here is the big intro: Theron Troxel age 20 Electrical Engineering student at UNL UNL Footbag President. I just started sewing footbags, I have made a couple 12 panels dirtbags and just started on making a 32 panel. Where do people tend to buy there facile? I bought some on the web and was curious to hear about some other places. Later -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ UNLFC President | o 00201887@bigred.unl.edu /_\_ http://www.unl.edu/crec/SC/footbag \ ------------------------------------- From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 22 15:30:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00442 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:30:03 GMT Message-ID: <34770925.28D2@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:32:37 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] introduction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hello Sewers! This is my intro... I have sewn many hundreds of bags now. I used to make my living at it during periods of bicycle touring and Grateful Dead touring. Nowadays, however, I am a software consultant in Boulder, Colorado where I type all day long, and because of sometimes painful wrist symptoms, I do not usually sew after work. So I stopped making bags for general sale. I still make custom bags for myself and friends, usually 62 panels. I have made numerous 100+ panel bags, including one with 282 panels. I have some sewers who work for me, part time, making "Funky Footbags" which I sell around Boulder. It is always nice to have bags for sale. I am about to cut facile for a new 182 panel bag, which I plan to work on during my upcoming two month trip to Brazil! I play both net and freestyle and have made bags for both. I am also curious about good inexpensive sources of facile. I am almost out of white... When I am in South America, I always try to teach as many people to sew as possible. Maybe some day Brazil will become a footbag power... Sew on. ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 22 17:27:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01652 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:27:11 GMT Message-Id: <199710221731.NAA12685@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] Thanks Theron, Dave... Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:33:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org ...for the interesting and informative intros! I like how diverse we already are in sewing experience and background... Dave, whaddup with that strange, angular, experimental (28?) pattern you showed me about 8 years ago? Remember, you constructed equal halves and joined it along the equator... You got a photo of that thang you wanna show to our gang? By the way, you are truly a master of design and execution! We'd all love to peek at what you've been creating these last few years. Are you perhaps open to that or do you keep your special goodies out of public view? Our list has doubled in size within the last 48 hours. I don't know much about exponential growth rates... but that seems astounding to me! Stitchingly, Dogman From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 22 18:26:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02190 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:26:41 GMT Message-Id: <199710221831.OAA15488@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: Fw: [sewing] Thanks Theron, Dave... Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:33:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org ---------- > From: David C. Leberknight > To: dbotkin@valinet.com > Subject: Re: [sewing] Thanks Theron, Dave... > Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 3:19 PM > > > We'd all love to peek at what you've been creating these last few years. > > Are you perhaps open to that or do you keep your special goodies out of > > public view? > > I do have some (analog) photos of a few nice bags. > I'll take a few more pictures, develop them and get them scanned > before I go to Brazil (December 3rd)! Until then, patience required. > > > Dave, whaddup with that strange, angular, experimental (28?) pattern you > > showed me about 8 years ago? > > I made a few bags like that, weird experimental designs. > I still have three of them. One is actually round! > > ................... > David C Leberknight > ................... > footbag@sprynet.com > ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 22 18:40:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02290 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:40:12 GMT Message-Id: <199710221844.OAA16154@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] source for facile Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:47:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Two sources of facile scrap (who's really gonna shell out $59 a yard?!): 1.) Ultra-scrap in Arvada (sp?) Colorado sells by pound both facile and ultrasuede. Talk to Debra Malloy and mention the Footbag Peace Initiative. She'll treat you good. phone -- 1-800-431-1032. 2.) I have several bags of tiny, mixed color, facile remnants from the cutting of Chris and Bart's "Twisted", manufactured in or near Denver. Chris has always been very generous with me, unloading on me a bag of choice scraps here and there over the years. If anyone has the patience to pick through it, its great stuff. I'll mail a fistful of it to anyone who sends me a small donation for postage... 400B Main Rd Gill, MA 01376. From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 23 06:05:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA06256 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:05:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:05:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Burgess To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] intro In-Reply-To: <199710221844.OAA16154@toby.valinet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org my name is eric burgess. i live in dallas, tx. i've been sewing and kicking for about 1 year now. i don't sew a lot, i've maybe completed 10 bags ever. i'm much more interested in new ideas and patterns than in the actual production...i start a lot of bags that i never finish ;) anyway, that's me! eric From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 23 18:29:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01702 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:29:17 GMT From: "James Cambell" Organization: Goddard College To: sewing@majordomo.footbag.org Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:31:19 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [sewing] intro Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <105E46A283E@earth.goddard.edu> Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org All right. I have quite a bit of experience in the footbag world. I am even in college right now so that I could research and study better ways to do it, and reap all the benefits of it. Anyway since this is about sewing footbags, I have sewn many myself, and consider myself somewhat experienced at it. A friend and I have even designed a machine that easily allows a thirty two panel to be sewn in two hours. I am also interested in any new styles of footbag, that move away from the one track mindset of inside and toe stalls the the WFA promotes at most tournaments. James Campbell From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 23 18:51:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01854 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:51:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: crofford owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Crofford To: James Cambell cc: sewing@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] intro In-Reply-To: <105E46A283E@earth.goddard.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org My name is Greg Crofford, I have been limited to the 32 panneled mold as well. I tried to make one following the pattern of the newer soccer balls, they look exactly like a bigger volley ball. I have not been successful with the pattern. It is food for thought. If you try it and can figure it out let me know. I have been trying to make freestyle bags with this pattern. I really want to use it to make net bags. It seems a whole lot easier than stitching a 32 panneled net bag. On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, James Cambell wrote: > All right. > I have quite a bit of experience in the footbag world. I am even in > college right now so that I could research and study better ways to > do it, and reap all the benefits of it. > Anyway since this is about sewing footbags, I have sewn many myself, > and consider myself somewhat experienced at it. A friend and I have > even designed a machine that easily allows a thirty two panel to be > sewn in two hours. I am also interested in any new styles of footbag, > that move away from the one track mindset of inside and toe stalls > the the WFA promotes at most tournaments. > > James Campbell > From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 23 21:31:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02996 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:30:58 GMT Message-Id: <199710232130.QAA32198@bigred.unl.edu> From: "Mathew Miller" To: "footbag sewing listserve" Subject: [sewing] intro Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:32:58 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hi My name is Mathew Miller. I attend the University of Nebraska. I'm a junior pre-med major. I got involved in sewing footbags within the last month because I lost the only one that I had and didn't want to pay ten bucks for a new one. Anyway, it's a fun thing to do while watching TV. I've made about five bags, including a nice 32 panel. I really like to kick this one. Now, I'm attempting a 62 panel. I'm pretty new to footbagging as well. I know Theron Troxel, who is also on the list. He's much better than I am. I was wondering a few things. Is there a certain plastic that is best to fill a footbag? I have a bag of polypropylene that I bought at a craft store. This works pretty well, but I used beads out of an old, broken bag that I think are polyethylene. I like these a little better. Is ultrasuede light the same as facile? How many stitches does everyone use per side of a 32 panel bag? I use 4. Also... I've been using a kevlar fishing line called spyderwire to sew bags. I don't know how expensive it is because someone gave it to me, but it is easy to work with, thin like thread, and very strong. From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 24 04:05:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06109 for sewing-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:05:10 GMT Message-Id: <199710240410.AAA21585@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] fill, facile, stitches per, thread... Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:12:04 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Responding to Mathew Miller's comments and questions... >it's a fun thing to do while watching TV. You must miss a lot of the shows! Try it out in boring meetings, long car rides and on planes, trains and buses. >Is there a certain plastic that is best to fill a footbag? The purists tell me that smaller, rounder, denser is better. C in SF is experimenting adding slippery glass beads... As far as I'm concerned, any smallish, roundish, raw plastic (is it polyethylene or polystyrene?) pellets, the kind used by trainloads in plastics, injection molding, fabrication... all over the industrialized world, are satisfactory. (They often spill piles along the tracks when they unload them at factories. You should not have to pay for them. Once, I found a beachload of them dumped from some tanker off the Pacific coast of Nicaragua!) >Is ultrasuede light the same as facile? If you're referring to stuff carried by "Ultrascrap" in Colorado, yes, I believe it is. Facile and Ultrasuede you know are simply tradenames for commercial products -- synthetic suedes that is... I have often come across other manufactured synthetic leathers which resemble those two, but aren't. I can't vouch for their quality but I've used them successfully in the past. Grip it in your teeth and see if it tears easily. Beware, facile has been known to vary in quality. >How many stitches does everyone use per side of a 32 panel bag? I use 4. Me too if you mean 4 "pokes". I poke or pierce each pent four times (twice coming and going). But I also *join the corners* of the 2 adjacent hexes with a "passing" stitch before I begin the next side of the "flower". Each of my hexes actually ends up with 6 "pokes" on each side. I like this strategy partly cause it means that the hexagon to hexagon junctions NEVER HAVE TO BE SEWN because these "passing" stitches on every corner ultimately close them all for you. Is that clear? Do others not do this? Also, in order to accomodate this "passing" stitch through the hexes, I generally cut them (hexes) a little beefier than their pent counterparts. Whew! I've been using a kevlar fishing line called spyderwire to sew bags. I don't know how expensive it is because someone gave it to me, but it is easy to work with, thin like thread, and very strong. I still swear by artificial sinew. Its waxy, splitable, strong, makes a nice knot, it even feels good. Beaders like it, dream catchers weave it... if anyone can't find it, there's a # on my website. Four ply -- so split to its thinnest, then sew w/ doubled thread... The shit is amazing; it's even good for fixing freestyle shoes! From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 24 16:09:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00595 for sewing-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:09:33 GMT Message-Id: <199710241609.LAA26277@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:10:15 -0500 Subject: [sewing] intro From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Sewing Group Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hey. Here's my intro. A bit late, I think... Name: Brian Carstensen Age: 13 Location: Suburb of Chicago Footbag sewing experience: None. Absolutely none. I've never sewed anything in my life. I got some materials the other day, and I'm going to start sewing one today. Whether or not I ever get it finished is a different story. Brian Carstensen http://members.aol.com/brc100/ brc@ameritech.net From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 28 04:59:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05702 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 04:59:56 GMT Message-Id: <199710280459.WAA08146@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:00:48 -0500 Subject: [sewing] My first bag From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Sewing Group Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Okay, the first one I just got done looks kinda like a caterpillar. I'm too cheap to buy new leather, so I'm taking it apart now. Wish me luck on my next attempt. : ) < Brian Carstensen < brc@ameritech.net < http://members.aol.com/brc100/ From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 28 05:15:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA05817 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:14:59 GMT Message-Id: <199710280522.AAA21318@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] Brian's Debacle Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:21:58 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Okay, the first one I just got done looks kinda like a caterpillar. I'm too cheap to buy new leather, so I'm taking it apart now. Wish me luck on my next attempt. : ) < Brian Carstensen < brc@ameritech.net < http://members.aol.com/brc100/ ************************************************************ Brian, Send me your address and I'll hook you up with 4 deerskin panels and some simple instructions... Thats why we're here, bro. Unless of course you're dead set on learning from scratch... or maybe you have a recipe for caterpillars? Dan From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 28 17:35:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01388 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:35:23 GMT Message-ID: <3456224B.2E8C@valuserve.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:35:07 -0800 From: kenny@valuserve.com (ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov) Reply-To: kenny@valuserve.com Organization: valuserve X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [sewing] first bag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Actually I signed up for this list because I am interested in MAKING my first bag. Any good sights to visit to find some good beginner instructions. Also what about materials? Are the materials easy enough to find in an arts & crafts store? Thanks for the information. I am looking forward to that first bag(Hopefully no caterpillars!) kenny From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 29 01:53:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04889 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:53:34 GMT Message-Id: <199710290200.VAA29999@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: , Subject: Re: [sewing] first bag Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:00:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org ---------- > From: ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov > To: sewing@majordomo.footbag.org > Subject: [sewing] first bag > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 12:35 PM > > Actually I signed up for this list because I am interested in MAKING my > first bag. Ya come to the right place. >Any good sights to visit to find some good beginner > instructions? Mine. Look here under "SEW YOUR OWN" There's step by step instructions to make a 4 panel, basic, deerskin or pigskin utility sack. http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/sew.html >Also what about materials? Are the materials easy enough > to find in an arts & crafts store? Not really, but you can locate suitable leathers with a little effort. Its all there. Read my page. If getting good soft leather or synthetic is a problem, email me. >Thanks for the information. I am > looking forward to that first bag (Hopefully no caterpillars!) Caterpillars are actually good. A few fertile mistakes here and there feed the creative process. Look at David L. (My first bags were painful, boxy, stiff 2 panel originals rendered from upolstery leather and cottom thread.) > > kenny You're welcome, kenny. Here's the deal. I (we) teach you to sew sacks and you in turn go off and teach anyone/everyone else who ever asks and spread footbag and peace in the world. Kind of like a chain letter. Entiendes? Daniel From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 29 02:14:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05090 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:14:56 GMT Message-ID: <34569CBD.2D07@sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:17:33 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kenny@valuserve.com CC: sewing@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] first bag References: <3456224B.2E8C@valuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org > I am looking forward to that first bag(Hopefully no caterpillars!) I made a lot of catepillars early on. With bag making... patience is required, but the satisfaction of producing kickable art is always worth the wait. ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 01:02:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04931 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:02:15 GMT Message-ID: <3457D24E.7AC6@valuserve.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:18:22 -0800 From: Pete Petersen Reply-To: pete@valuserve.com Organization: valuserve.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] Finding filler material for footbags? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Question for all fellow footbaggers making your own... I've got the leather, special needle, special thread, and the instructions... Now all I need is the filler. I read you could use beans, lentels, rice, etc... but I was concerned that if the bag got wet, the beans might sprout, rot, attract bugs etc. Has anybody got any experience with these items as fillers? Also, I've been calling around locally (Northern California SF Bay area) trying to find someplace that sells small plastic/silicon beads, but nobody seems to have a clue were you could get them. I tried plastic shops, and packaging supply shops, but no luck. Any Ideas?? Pete Petersen pete@valuserve.com From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 01:10:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05040 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:10:21 GMT Message-Id: <199710300110.TAA27054@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:11:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [sewing] Finding filler material for footbags? From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Sewing Group Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org I was thinking you could use bead like you put on necklaces and stuff. I saw some at a craft store for about 60 cents a bag. I didn't buy any. I'v got film tubes full of beads from old bags that I broke in wrong : ) < Brian Carstensen < brc@ameritech.net < http://members.aol.com/brc100/ ---------- > From: Pete Petersen > To: sewing@footbag.org > Subject: [sewing] Finding filler material for footbags? > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:18:22 -0800 > > Question for all fellow footbaggers making your own... > > I've got the leather, special needle, special thread, > and the instructions... Now all I need is the filler. > > I read you could use beans, lentels, rice, etc... but > I was concerned that if the bag got wet, the beans might > sprout, rot, attract bugs etc. Has anybody got any > experience with these items as fillers? > > Also, I've been calling around locally (Northern California > SF Bay area) trying to find someplace that sells small > plastic/silicon beads, but nobody seems to have a clue > were you could get them. I tried plastic shops, and packaging > supply shops, but no luck. Any Ideas?? > > Pete Petersen > pete@valuserve.com > > From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 04:26:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06605 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:26:10 GMT Message-Id: <199710300434.XAA17925@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] plastic pellets Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:33:09 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Did you guys not get my previous post pertaining to plastic pellets? Don't give up. They're very, very plentiful and cheap. Look in yellow pages under plastic. A plastic bag factory is ideal. Or injection molding. Call em up and tell em a good story. Or just show up with a bag and beg. Raw plastic pellets. They are the raw material for nearly every plastic thing you see. They do come in somewhat various sizes, shapes, textures, etc. The purists say that smaller, denser, rounder is better for a freer, smooth flow internally (stalls, ya know...). They come by the boatload. They're spilled on the rr tracks next to probably every plastics factory in N. America. You should not have to pay much for them, if anything. I give you both a week. If you honestly cannot find any, I'll mail a baggie to hold ya over. Daniel ---------- > From: brc@ameritech.net > To: Sewing Group > Subject: Re: [sewing] Finding filler material for footbags? > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 8:11 PM > > I was thinking you could use bead like you put on necklaces and stuff. I > saw some at a craft store for about 60 cents a bag. I didn't buy any. I'v > got film tubes full of beads from old bags that I broke in wrong : ) > > < Brian Carstensen > < brc@ameritech.net > < http://members.aol.com/brc100/ > > ---------- > > From: Pete Petersen > > To: sewing@footbag.org > > Subject: [sewing] Finding filler material for footbags? > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:18:22 -0800 > > > > Question for all fellow footbaggers making your own... > > > > I've got the leather, special needle, special thread, > > and the instructions... Now all I need is the filler. > > > > I read you could use beans, lentels, rice, etc... but > > I was concerned that if the bag got wet, the beans might > > sprout, rot, attract bugs etc. Has anybody got any > > experience with these items as fillers? > > > > Also, I've been calling around locally (Northern California > > SF Bay area) trying to find someplace that sells small > > plastic/silicon beads, but nobody seems to have a clue > > were you could get them. I tried plastic shops, and packaging > > supply shops, but no luck. Any Ideas?? > > > > Pete Petersen > > > > > > > From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 05:01:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA08764 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:01:05 GMT Message-ID: <345813CE.4E6@valuserve.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:57:50 -0800 From: kenny@valuserve.com (ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov) Reply-To: kenny@valuserve.com Organization: kenny@valuserve.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] caterpillars Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hey all! Well we finally made our first bags using Daniel's instruction page and......needless to say I now know what a "caterpillar" is!! It was a lot of fun and not too difficult but somehow we ended up with a football rather than a footbag. I think that what I did wrong was that I didnt use equal tension on all the sewing seams. It's pretty funny how we spent all day gathering up the right materials and then we both made football caterpillars. We never even bothered filling them with the pellets. Any advice? Thanks to all who gave us advice! Kenny Zelov & Pete Petersen From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 06:54:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA09893 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 06:54:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:54:08 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] Finding filler material for footbags? In-Reply-To: <199710300110.TAA27054@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, brc@ameritech.net wrote: > I was thinking you could use bead like you put on necklaces and stuff. I > saw some at a craft store for about 60 cents a bag. I didn't buy any. I'v > got film tubes full of beads from old bags that I broke in wrong : ) > > < Brian Carstensen > < brc@ameritech.net > < http://members.aol.com/brc100/ > > ---------- One of the first bags I made, I filled with the type of beads you are talking about... the hard colored kind with holes through them for making jewelry. Take my advice. DON'T. They break into little tiny pieces and start leaving bead parts everywhere. I got a bag full of the injection molding type plastic pellets from a friend and they work pretty well. Lately, I have found that the best bags I can make are filled with sand. I found a buttload of good quality sand that doesn't dissolve in water. You can just put a little of this in a bag - about a 1/4 full. This gives more than enough weight to play outside. Even if it is a little windy. Also, the bag doesn't need to be broken in. Right after you make it, it is ready for shred. One thing to keep in mind though... sand is small. You have to sew a lot more seams than normal to keep it from conming out. Hope this helps. -Derric From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 06:56:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA09912 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 06:56:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:56:25 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] heavier beads. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org I have plenty of plastic beads. The good ol' injection molding type, but they are pretty light. I was wondering if anyone has any industrial contacts that might have a selection of pellets. I'm looking for something more dense so I don't have to fill a bag so much to get a good weight. Any ideas on this? -Derric From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 07:14:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA10043 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:14:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:14:38 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] sewing footballs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org to the guys that made the 4-panels that turned out like footballs: don't be discouraged. it's easier, not harder, to make a round bag, if you use more panels. my advice is to go to footbag.org and look at eric tiffany's excellent patterns. they're at: http://footbag.org/footbags/patterns/ i suggest sewing a 12-panel bag, since they sew together quickly, are quite round, and each corner has only 3 panels touching. the 4-panel design is a good bag to start out with (my first was a 6-panel cube) but as far as roundness goes, you need more panels. hope this helps! eric From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 07:17:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA10092 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:17:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:17:32 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] source for plastic pellets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org a plastics factory is definitely going to be the best bet for free beads. if there's not one around however, or if they're totally stingy, another alternative is crafts stores. you know those dolls that have a cloth body and porcelain head, hands, and feet? well, the body is often filled with the exact same beads that footbags are. my mom owns a craft store and gave me a 10 pound bag...enough for a bazillion or so footbags :) i don't know how much the beads usually cost, but it can't be that much, considering how many footbags you could fill with the beads it would take to fill one doll. later eric From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 12:23:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA10892 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:23:00 GMT Message-Id: <199710301231.HAA25997@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] panel#/round balls Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:29:56 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Eric B wrote: > don't be discouraged. it's easier, not harder, to make a round bag, if > you use more panels. > i suggest sewing a 12-panel bag, since they sew together quickly, are > quite round, and each corner has only 3 panels touching This is true, much rounder... but about 75% of the people I see making their first 12 (pent, uncoached) also screw up when it comes joining all the panels at the end and turn out lima beans, caterpillars, you name it. Even tho its only 12 pieces, its kind of a geometry brainteaser. One simple - tho inelegant - way to assure success on the first rendering of a 12 panel is to build 2 separate "flowers" (one pent surrounded by 5 pents or "petals") and then join them along the "equator". my advice is to go to footbag.org and look at eric > tiffany's excellent patterns. they're at: > > http://footbag.org/footbags/patterns/ speaking of eric t... he should be on this list! The man designs & sews some amazing geometry and also uses a very original low tension "flat" stitch on his freestyle jewels. He's got a lot to teach in the sewing dept. Howabout someone 'sides me email him a nice, friendly invite? >the 4-panel > design is a good bag to start out with (my first was a 6-panel cube) but > as far as roundness goes, you need more panels. NOT SO. Yes, the multi panel geometry makes a bag inherently more round, but with practice you CAN sew a nearly perfectly round 4 panel... and who could argue with the 10 MINUTE SEWING TIME! Daniel From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 12:37:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA10966 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:37:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 06:37:00 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess Reply-To: Eric Burgess To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] panel#/round balls In-Reply-To: <199710301231.HAA25997@toby.valinet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Daniel Botkin wrote: > speaking of eric t... he should be on this list! The man designs & sews > some amazing geometry and also uses a very original low tension "flat" > stitch on his freestyle jewels. He's got a lot to teach in the sewing dept. > Howabout someone 'sides me email him a nice, friendly invite? i just sent him an email. > > >the 4-panel > > design is a good bag to start out with (my first was a 6-panel cube) but > > as far as roundness goes, you need more panels. > > NOT SO. Yes, the multi panel geometry makes a bag inherently more round, > but with practice you CAN sew a nearly perfectly round 4 panel... and who > could argue with the 10 MINUTE SEWING TIME! heh...didn't mean to diss your pattern. i'm sure that in the hands of someone more skilled than i, it can turn out to be very round. now what's this about a low tension flat stitch? sounds interesting! eric From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 12:44:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA11008 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:44:55 GMT Message-Id: <199710301252.HAA26521@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: Re: [sewing] caterpillars Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:51:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org > From: ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov > To: sewing@footbag.org > Subject: [sewing] caterpillars > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 11:57 PM > > Hey all! > > Well we finally made our first bags using Daniel's instruction page > and......needless to say I now know what a "caterpillar" is!! It was a > lot of fun and not too difficult but somehow we ended up with a football > rather than a footbag. I think that what I did wrong was that I didnt > use equal tension on all the sewing seams. It's pretty funny how we > spent all day gathering up the right materials and then we both made > football caterpillars. We never even bothered filling them with the > pellets. Any advice? equal tension is one key... also make sure your geometry is right. Lots of people get so excited to finally be sewing they forget to add a panel at each corner and join up 2 pieces on more than one side. I have several such "footballs" floating around my collection! BTW: How many of us have processors that support images? Some of these concepts could be illustrated much more easily w/ a few basic pix... Daniel From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 13:33:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA11358 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:33:45 GMT Message-Id: <199710301341.IAA27750@toby.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] low tension, "flat" stitch Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:40:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Eric B wrote: >now what's >this about an low tension flat stitch? sounds interesting! Well, his stitches have hardly any zig zag effect. Looked to me like he simply uses tiny, straight, perfect stitches w/ hardly any tension whatever. The seams appear "flat", no bunchy effect, like we associate w/ a "Juice" bag. The material is stiff enough, I guess, and the stitches are tiny enough that he doesn't need much to hold it together and hide the thread. He does 32's, 42's, 64's... I forget what else, but his bags are choice! I take it back, I believe eric works with ultrasuede - slightly stiffer than facile. Daniel From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 17:54:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01565 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:53:01 GMT Message-ID: <3458C5F5.1498@valuserve.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:37:57 -0800 From: Pete Petersen Reply-To: pete@valuserve.com Organization: valuserve.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] Homemade Four Panel Bag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org My friend and I bought all the stuff yesterday, had a first attempts looked pretty bad (odd shaped result - kind of football like). I took mine partway apart last night and finished putting it back together about 1 am. It came out pretty good. The key is definately the even stitches with the right amount of "squiggle" in the seam. I used pellets from a footbag-like ball that one of my kids had. (Hope he doesn't miss it...) So far, I like the new bag a lot. It stalls pretty well, has a pretty good shape, and kicks pretty well. I'll let you know more as I use it more, and try making more. From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 30 22:41:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04160 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:41:43 GMT Message-Id: <199710302233.QAA06010@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:34:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [sewing] caterpillars From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Sewing Group Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org I got mine round by sewing two panels, then the other two. I sewed up the last three seams, and finished off like on the page. < Brian Carstensen < brc@ameritech.net < http://members.aol.com/brc100/ ---------- -> From: kenny@valuserve.com (ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov) -> To: sewing@footbag.org -> Subject: [sewing] caterpillars -> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:57:50 -0800 -> -> Hey all! -> -> Well we finally made our first bags using Daniel's instruction page -> and......needless to say I now know what a "caterpillar" is!! It was a -> lot of fun and not too difficult but somehow we ended up with a football -> rather than a footbag. I think that what I did wrong was that I didnt -> use equal tension on all the sewing seams. It's pretty funny how we -> spent all day gathering up the right materials and then we both made -> football caterpillars. We never even bothered filling them with the -> pellets. Any advice? -> -> Thanks to all who gave us advice! -> -> Kenny Zelov & Pete Petersen ->