From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 23 13:36:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA05753 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:36:32 GMT Message-Id: <199711231336.IAA08792@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] awful quiet... Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:44:17 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hey Sewers! What's up? Anyone sewing anything out there? Me, I've been able to piece a half dozen "Bagosauruses" between diaper changes but not much else... BTW, Scott, Chard and a bunch of others at the (Vancouver, BC) Canadian Footbag Alliance have completed a cool CD rom on footbag which includes excellent, video step by step on how to make a 4 panel. I don't know if its yet available in stores but their email is: cfa@footbagcanada.com Daniel Dog Footbag Peace Initiative ( http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/ ) I predict... bagmaking will become a folk artform in our lifetimes! From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 23 18:18:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00927 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:18:43 GMT Message-Id: <199711231818.MAA07620@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:19:38 -0500 From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Sewing Group Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org I gots a question: Anyone know of a small round metal ball, about the size of the beads in a Sipa Sipa? I'd like to try to fill a bag with it and see if I can stall more easily - mailto: brc@ameritech.net - ichat pager: brc - http://members.aol.com/brc100/ From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 23 18:22:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00961 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:22:48 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711231818.MAA07620@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:25:08 -0800 To: sewing@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [sewing] Re: metal beads Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org At 10:19 AM -0800 11/23/97, brc@ameritech.net wrote: >I gots a question: Anyone know of a small round metal ball, about the size >of the beads in a Sipa Sipa? I'd like to try to fill a bag with it and see >if I can stall more easily Sounds like a "bee-bee". Steve From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 23 18:58:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01058 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:58:12 GMT Message-ID: <34787D91.5BAF@sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:01:37 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Goldberg CC: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] Re: metal beads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org > >I gots a question: Anyone know of a small round metal ball, about the size > >of the beads in a Sipa Sipa? I'd like to try to fill a bag with it and see > >if I can stall more easily > > Sounds like a "bee-bee". I have made bags with a mixture of BBs and plastic. It does help the bag's stall-ability, but it hurts the trueness of the bag - it behaves as if it were less round - because the BBs tend to clump together, causing the bag to have uneven density. Try it and see for yourself. When I do this, I use about maybe 10% BBs - 90% plastic. I think the ideal would be a denser plastic, but I have had a hard time coming up with this. Has anyone else had better luck? ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 23 19:15:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01182 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:15:27 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34787D91.5BAF@sprynet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:17:38 -0800 To: sewing@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [sewing] Re: metal beads Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org At 11:01 AM -0800 11/23/97, David C. Leberknight wrote: >I think the ideal would be a denser plastic, but I have had a hard >time coming up with this. Has anyone else had better luck? Carol Wedemeyer sometimes uses glass beads instead of plastic. Says that helps a lot. As you said, however, she doesn't fill the bag with them, but uses a mixture (not sure what the percentages are, but I assume it's a lot less glass than plastic). Steve From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 23 20:50:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01509 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:50:36 GMT From: Casey Zacek Message-Id: <199711232050.OAA28519@gravy.netcomi.com> Subject: Re: [sewing] Re: metal beads To: sewing@footbag.org Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:50:25 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Steve Goldberg spoke forth with the blessed manuscript: > At 11:01 AM -0800 11/23/97, David C. Leberknight wrote: > >I think the ideal would be a denser plastic, but I have had a hard > >time coming up with this. Has anyone else had better luck? > > Carol Wedemeyer sometimes uses glass beads instead of plastic. Says that > helps a lot. As you said, however, she doesn't fill the bag with them, but > uses a mixture (not sure what the percentages are, but I assume it's a lot > less glass than plastic). Allen Peterson (Stork, badass hammer-pattern net bags, Kanga) told me that he uses denser plastic beads. I don't remember the exact numbers on the density, but I think they were roughly 3/2 the density of normal injection- molding beads. No, I don't know where he gets them. :P -- Casey Zacek Sr. Systems Administrator * Programmer NETCOM Interactive From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 24 00:39:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA02631 for sewing-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:39:07 GMT Message-Id: <199711240039.SAA29385@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:40:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [sewing] Re: metal beads From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Sewing Group Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org BBs'd probably work well. I think my dad has some, somewhere. I'm taking apart my 4 panel (again) and making it into and 8 panel (like a hacky-sack). I'll try some BBs in it. Thanks for the help. - mailto: brc@ameritech.net - ichat pager: brc - http://members.aol.com/brc100/ ---------- -> From: Steve Goldberg -> To: sewing@footbag.org -> Subject: [sewing] Re: metal beads -> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:25:08 -0800 -> -> At 10:19 AM -0800 11/23/97, brc@ameritech.net wrote: -> >I gots a question: Anyone know of a small round metal ball, about the size -> >of the beads in a Sipa Sipa? I'd like to try to fill a bag with it and see -> >if I can stall more easily -> -> Sounds like a "bee-bee". -> -> Steve -> -> From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 25 02:03:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04749 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:03:28 GMT Message-Id: <199711250203.VAA15803@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] alternate fill idea Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:10:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Sewers, Here is a fun idea i got from "Flip" (a wild and wooley eastcoast character who once rode his custom leatherized bike [bicycle] to Worlds in Golden)... Fill a smallish 4 or 12 panel footbag with about ten rubber bands and ten steel b.b.'s. The b.b.'s give it volume and weight and the rubber bands give it "boing". As Dave mentioned you're going to compromise on true flight characteristics as the b.b.'s tend to congregate... but, toss one of these into a circle and watch people's expressions! *Grin* Dan Botkin Footbag Peace Initiative ( http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/ ) From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 25 21:06:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02702 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:06:39 GMT Message-ID: <347B3E20.5072@valuserve.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:07:44 -0800 From: kenny@valuserve.com (ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov) Reply-To: kenny@valuserve.com Organization: valuserve X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] sewing skills. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hello all I have been doing some more sewing and have managed to complete a few footbags. I made a few 4 panels and just completed a cool 18 panel bag that turned out very well, but did seem to be a little large. I was attempting to make a 32 panel bag, but was encountering some problems. The pieces are so darn small and it gets very confusing to sew. I gave up after sewing the first pentagon and 5 triangles. Any advice on sewing bags with a significant number of panels? Also, I bought some facile fabric and it is very nice and easy to work with. Should anybody be interested in buying some, send e-mail to Debra Molloy at uscrap@sprynet.com . She can give you the information. Lets keep the conversation going! kenny From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 26 00:48:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04524 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:48:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:47:53 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: "ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov" cc: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] sewing skills. In-Reply-To: <347B3E20.5072@valuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov wrote: > Hello all > > I have been doing some more sewing and have managed to complete a few > footbags. I made a few 4 panels and just completed a cool 18 panel bag > that turned out very well, but did seem to be a little large. I was > attempting to make a 32 panel bag, but was encountering some problems. > The pieces are so darn small and it gets very confusing to sew. I gave > up after sewing the first pentagon and 5 triangles. Any advice on > sewing bags with a significant number of panels? I just finished my first 32 panel a couple of weeks ago. I think the key is just to be patient. I have a monkey job, so I can sit around and sew to pass the time. The bag took several hours, but it turned out pretty nice. If you have a picture of the bag pattern, or another bag, it helps to look at to keep things straight in your mind. Just don't givee up. Good luck. -D From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 26 00:50:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04604 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:50:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:50:13 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] cutting panels Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org It seems that more of my time is taken up by drawing and cutting panels for a bag than sewing it. Are there any tips for speeding things up? Maybe some freakish kind of cookie cutter thing? That would rule... Later. -D From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 26 02:40:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05326 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 02:40:29 GMT Message-Id: <199711260240.VAA30935@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: Re: [sewing] cutting panels Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:48:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Exactly Derric, After a decade of far too much tracing and scissor cutting, I finally wised up in '95 and did have me some 'cookie cutter things' made for my four most common patterns. Now I pound em out with a lead mallet, (and ear plugs when nobody's home). I can cut out hundreds of facile or ultrasuede panels in an hour of pounding (up to 5 layers thick!). I've also seen the same kind of cutting tools mounted on a table press where the operator uses the leverage of the arm to slice out the leather. I was lucky to have a personal contact with a toolmaker at Spaulding Worldwide, but any good die maker (look in tool and die, precision steel, etc.) could convert your patterns into hardened cutters. Two words of advice however: 1. Be very sure of your template dimensions - cause you're gonna hafta live with them! 2. Don't cut corners on the quality of the tools - they tend to take a lot of stress and abuse and you want them to hold together and still be sharp after hundreds of hits. sew on! Daniel Botkin ---------- > From: Derric Scalf > To: sewing@footbag.org > Subject: [sewing] cutting panels > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:50 PM > > It seems that more of my time is taken up by drawing and cutting panels > for a bag than sewing it. Are there any tips for speeding things up? > Maybe some freakish kind of cookie cutter thing? That would rule... > Later. > -D From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 26 05:12:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA06264 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:12:05 GMT Message-ID: <347BB076.44C3@sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:15:34 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] cutting panels References: <199711260240.VAA30935@mbs.valinet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Daniel Botkin wrote: > Two words of > advice however: 1. Be very sure of your template dimensions - cause you're > gonna hafta live with them! 2. Don't cut corners on the quality of the > tools - they tend to take a lot of stress and abuse and you want them to > hold together and still be sharp after hundreds of hits. I have a couple of "cookie cutter things" which I designed with a computer tool, printed out on a laser printer, and sent to: Modern Steel Rule Die Co. 416 w. Pico Blvd. Los Angeles, CA. 90015 (213) 747-8556 I want to have them make some more for me, because despite having some patterns "etched in steel" I also spend way too much time drawing and cutting my less frequently sewn patterns. Dan's heavy mallet is a faster cheaper way to go than large workbench-mounted lever systems - the latter also being hard to find, expensive, bulky... But they are awesome when properly installed. I think I'm going to try the lead mallet to see how it compares. ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 26 13:44:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08403 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:44:35 GMT Message-Id: <199711261344.IAA11934@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] tricky multi's Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:52:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Derric wrote: >attempting to make a 32 panel bag, but was encountering some problems. > The pieces are so darn small and it gets very confusing to sew. I gave > up after sewing the first pentagon and 5 triangles. Any advice Yeah, start with the "juice" style (12 pents and 20 hexes) 32 not the "kanga" (pents and triangles). Separate patterns using contrasting dark and light colors. One by one, surround each pent with a "sea" of 5 hexes so each is an island. Careful not to accidentally add more than 5 to any unit. Finish the entire flower, go back through initial stitch, apply and check tension and move on to another one. You can construct the thing zig-zag along the "equator" or just skip arbitrarily along SO LONG AS YOU DON'T VIOLATE THE GEOMETRY. Keep pulling it in your hands and mind picturing the finished ball. Wrap it around a finished 32 if necessary in order to correctly join opposite sides at crunch time. Work down to one final pent, flip finish, adjust final tension and close... If that doesn't do it, fly me to Texas. Dan Botkin