From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 15:00:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00164 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:59:59 GMT Message-ID: <3484233F.40FA@sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 08:03:27 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] bag pictures on the web Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hey Now! I've got some bag photos on the web... Check out www.softwarefederation.com/Footbag.htm Cheers... ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 15:12:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00312 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:12:25 GMT Message-ID: <34842629.408C@sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 08:15:53 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] on vacation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hey Now! I forgot to mention. I'm on vacation as of tomorrow for 2 months (going to Brazil). Kick on... ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 3 04:27:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07049 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 04:26:57 GMT Message-ID: <3484E067.1F9F@sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:30:31 -0700 From: "David C. Leberknight" Reply-To: footbag@sprynet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] Oops! bug on new web page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hey... Check it out now. Some pictures wouldn't load for anybody but me. Worked on my system... New and Improved Footbag Photos are at: www.softwarefederation.com/Footbag.htm Bye for now. -Dave ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 4 23:17:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03868 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:16:34 GMT Message-Id: <199712042316.RAA09400@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 17:14:36 -0500 Subject: [sewing] 8 Panel From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Footbag Sewing Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Just finished my new 8 panel, but I got (another, heheh) problem. The individual panels are puffy, making it not-so round. I'm thinking that by not drawing it back (the zig-zag design thing...) The panels will join together in straight lines, making it round. I just wanna know if anyone's done this before, cuz I'm probably gunna screw up. - brc@ameritech.net - ichat pager: brc From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 4 23:31:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA04001 for sewing-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:31:35 GMT Message-ID: <34873B7B.4238@valuserve.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:23:39 -0800 From: Pete Petersen Reply-To: pete@valuserve.com Organization: valuserve.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] 8 Panel References: <199712042316.RAA09400@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org I've made 3 or 4 of the 8 panel bags now, and had good luck. What I did was take the shape from a "dirtbag" footbag, that is an 8 panel, and enlarge it a little. It turns out that the pattern is almost the same as the 4 panel shape. The last one I made I just guessed at the shape, and it turned out to be my best one yet. Take an equilateral triangle, and round the straight lines quite a bit, like the arc made by a soda can, and it works out good. If you want an exact pattern, let me know, and I'll fax one to you or something. Pete Petersen pete@valuserve.com brc@ameritech.net wrote: > > Just finished my new 8 panel, but I got (another, heheh) problem. The > individual panels are puffy, making it not-so round. I'm thinking that by > not drawing it back (the zig-zag design thing...) The panels will join > together in straight lines, making it round. I just wanna know if anyone's > done this before, cuz I'm probably gunna screw up. > > - brc@ameritech.net > - ichat pager: brc From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 00:04:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04371 for sewing-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:04:15 GMT Message-Id: <199712050004.SAA08460@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 18:02:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [sewing] 8 Panel From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Footbag Sewing Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org No, no. I've got the pattern, I was wondering if you pushed all the material to one side of the string before you make a knot. Or if you make the stiches tiny and didn't do anything to the material. I forget what that's called... - brc@ameritech.net - ichat pager: brc From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 00:15:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04455 for sewing-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:15:22 GMT Message-ID: <348745BB.58E2@valuserve.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:07:23 -0800 From: Pete Petersen Reply-To: pete@valuserve.com Organization: valuserve.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] 8 Panel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org If you're talking about the final knot, I pull the string a little too tight,tie the knot as low as I can, tuck it in, then even out the stitches... Pete Pete@valuserve.com --------------------- brc@ameritech.net wrote: > > No, no. I've got the pattern, I was wondering if you pushed all the > material to one side of the string before you make a knot. Or if you make > the stiches tiny and didn't do anything to the material. I forget what > that's called... > > - brc@ameritech.net > - ichat pager: brc From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 16:07:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00665 for sewing-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:07:25 GMT From: Casey Zacek Message-Id: <199712051607.KAA31416@gravy.netcomi.com> Subject: Re: [sewing] 8 Panel To: sewing@footbag.org Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:07:03 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org brc@ameritech.net wrote: > Just finished my new 8 panel, but I got (another, heheh) problem. The > individual panels are puffy, making it not-so round. I'm thinking that by > not drawing it back (the zig-zag design thing...) The panels will join > together in straight lines, making it round. I just wanna know if anyone's > done this before, cuz I'm probably gunna screw up. You shouldn't pull it *tight*, but just enough so that it puffs a little bit. With experience, you'll find a happy medium. Also, I suggest not trying the 8-panel bag because it has 4 panels coming together at each corner, which makes it harder for a beginner to sew in my opinion. A 12-panel dodecahedron would probably actually be easier. Or maybe a "snub-cube" pattern (14-panel, take a cube and whack the corners off, filling with triangles). These patterns only have 3 panels coming together at each corner. -- Casey Zacek Sr. Systems Administrator * Programmer NETCOM Interactive From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 20:46:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03211 for sewing-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:46:32 GMT Message-Id: <199712051705.MAA27677@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [sewing] solution for puffy panels Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:13:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org > brc@ameritech.net wrote: > > Just finished my new 8 panel, but I got (another, heheh) problem. The > > individual panels are puffy, making it not-so round. Brian: Another solution for "puffy panels" is to shave the edges of the panels so each triangle is slightly less "chubby" (closer to a true triangle). This should yield a little less extra material on each panel and a rounder bag. I too agree with Casey. I'd start out with the four, the 12, even the 32 (pents and hexes) since they all use junctions of three, not four or five. Good luck Brian! Hey did everyone check out David L.'s totally awesome, mega, multi (200+) panel bags on the web?! He's off to Brazil and we won't be hearing from him for a while. Daniel Botkin PS. Anyone wanna try my very juicy one (1, count em...) panel stall bag? Its a concept that came from "Flip" in '86 and I've been perfecting it for a decade. It requires very thin, soft, pliable leather like pig or split deer suede. From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 23:03:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA04717 for sewing-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:03:20 GMT Message-Id: <199712052303.RAA02808@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 17:01:19 -0500 Subject: [sewing] Thanks From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Footbag Sewing Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Sorry, for them new thread, but my e-mail is jaqued. Thanks for all the stuff you told me. I'm taking my old one apart now. I'll let you know how it comes out. - brc@ameritech.net - ichat pager: brc From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 6 05:39:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA07002 for sewing-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 05:39:07 GMT Message-Id: <199712060539.XAA01556@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 23:37:10 -0500 Subject: [sewing] My new bag From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Footbag Sewing Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Well, i finished my new 8 panel footbag. And I've learned a few things... . Don't make 8 panel bags. : ) . If youy /must/, make sure the panels are smaller than that of the four panel bags... . Fill it with enough beads so thaty it doesn't go completely limp. . Don't make 8 panel bags. You gotta see this thing. It's huge. It'll probably stall pretty good though. I'm going to footbag.org for a new pattern. Cya. Thanks. - brc@ameritech.net - ichat pager: brc From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 9 21:35:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02997 for sewing-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:35:26 GMT Message-ID: <348DB9F5.6886@valuserve.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:36:53 -0800 From: kenny@valuserve.com (ValuServe.com - Kenny Zelov) Reply-To: kenny@valuserve.com Organization: valuserve X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] closing the last seam. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hello I have now sewn about 10 footbags and still have not figured out the stiching on the last seam. Any tips on how to close the bags properly. The stiching I use usually works, but it certainly does not look right. Thanks Kenny From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 10 03:57:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA05704 for sewing-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:57:00 GMT Message-Id: <199712100357.WAA10770@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: Re: [sewing] closing the last seam. Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:04:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Kenny Asks... > I have now sewn about 10 footbags and still have not figured out the > stiching on the last seam. Any tips on how to close the bags properly? Does illustration #7 and text on this page help? http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/sew.html Remember, the stitching does not change. It's your orientation to the seam which changes after you've turned the bag right side out. Instead of sewing through two pieces of leather at once you're gonna be taking "bites" (poking in and exiting out) of one piece of leather (at a time) then the other, left, right, left, right -- continuing the seam almost to the end where you fill and close. If it's the closure that's troubling you... There are several schools on closing. On their new CD Rom, Scott from Canada Footbag Alliance (http://wwwfootbagcanada.com) demos one neat closure by (loosely) lacing a four panel through the final (pre cut) holes and continuing several stitches beyond (doubling through several already sewn), coming out on another side, then tensioning, tying off the thread from there and inserting the knot. Myself, I'm very happy with my method. I use up all but a bit of space of the last seam, then coax the knot through that last tiny opening. I add extra tension before cutting the thread. After the knot is deposited, normal handling and use of the footbag loosens and equalizes all the seams and maximizes its roundness. Here's a description, copied from my sew page: Continue the blind stitch using up remaining space all the way into the final corner. When there remains only one stitch left, plant it so your needle exits using up nearly all remaining space. Manicure the final seam and pull and adjust your final tension. Construct a bombproof (double or triple) knot directly at ground zero, cut your thread. Now carefully tuck the knot into the hole in the seam directly under the placement of the last stitch. If the placement and tension of the final stitch are done correctly, the knot will disappear entirely and forever into the interior of the finished ball. Its subtle. Hopefully you won't blemish as many bags as I did with functional but not-quite-perfect closures before you get it right. If all else fails I could probably talk you through it on the tele-anybody even use them anymore-phone. Daniel