From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 5 20:36:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA11093 for sewing-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:36:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Message-ID: <1174e7d3.35f1a0a6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:35:50 EDT To: sewing@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sewing] thinking.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Im sitting here sewing up a nice 32 panel bag, and I thought, "I wonder if anyone has the pattern of a Twisted bag". Can anyone answer that? thanks Matt Avery From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 5 21:55:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA28055 for sewing-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:55:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f Message-ID: <35F1B53E.524F1B4E@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 16:03:42 -0600 From: David C Leberknight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sewing@footbag.org Subject: [sewing] "new" material? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Hola! Does anyone know the name of the "new" (not facile) freestyle material? Where can it be purchased? Thanks. (I hate to see my multi-panel bags wear out so quickly. I want the next one I make to be durable!) -Dave ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 01:55:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA30588 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:55:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f Message-ID: <35F09B4C.13C8@utdallas.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:00:44 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David C Leberknight CC: sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] "new" material? References: <35F1B53E.524F1B4E@sprynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org David C Leberknight wrote: > > Hola! > Hola! > Does anyone know the name of the "new" (not facile) freestyle material? I heard some people talking about "ultra-lite". From what I understood, it is facile, just a new name. But, I could be wrong. The only facile that I have found is VERY unreliable. If you do find some place that sells good fabric, let me know. > Where can it be purchased? > No se. If what I heard is true, you will find it anywhere you can find facile (big fabric stores). If that ultra lite stuff isn't what you were thinking about, you might be on to something. Otherwise, I think it is the same material, new name. Later. -D From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 01:57:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA30608 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:57:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Message-ID: <8c80e511.35f1ec1d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:57:49 EDT To: sewing@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sewing] "new" material? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Are you sure you arent thinking of Ultra suede light? Matt From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 04:12:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA07876 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 04:12:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f Message-Id: <199809060412.AAA15733@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: "David C Leberknight" , Subject: Re: [sewing] "new" material? Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:20:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org David and sewing list, 2 1/2 years ago Jim (Toes) Fitzgerald identified it to me (with a wink) only as "newsuede". Since there is no trademarked fabric by that name, he clearly did not want to share the secret. What we need is to do a little sleuthing. What do you say? With a few sample "newsuede" bags and an industry expert on contemporary synthetic suede products we should be able to identify the stuff... I understand the impulse of business people to guard their successful recipe(s), however it's never been my way. I find the more I give away, the more comes back to me. Daniel ---------- > From: David C Leberknight > To: sewing@footbag.org > Subject: [sewing] "new" material? > Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:03 PM > > Hola! > > Does anyone know the name of the "new" (not facile) freestyle material? > Where can it be purchased? > Thanks. > (I hate to see my multi-panel bags wear out so quickly. > I want the next one I make to be durable!) > > -Dave > > ................... > David C Leberknight > ................... > footbag@sprynet.com > ................... > From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 05:21:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA24836 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 05:21:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f Message-ID: <35F21DDE.14D9E8AD@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:30:07 -0600 From: David C Leberknight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dbotkin@valinet.com, sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] "new" material? References: <199809060412.AAA15733@mbs.valinet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org If nobody on the sewing list knows the true name of the "new" material, then I suggest that we ask the footbag community at large, as a group, saying "we the sewers want to know!" Who else wants to know? Are Daniel and I alone? Or does every bag-sewer worth his/her salt want to make sweet freestyle bags that are durable too?!?! By the way, I found a "new" material Adidas bag, 32 panels, at a local sporting good store, retail, for only $8 !!! Pretty nice bag :-) It's hard to compete with that. Good thing I don't try to make my living sewing (anymore). -Dave Daniel Botkin wrote: > David and sewing list, > > 2 1/2 years ago Jim (Toes) Fitzgerald identified it to me (with a wink) > only as "newsuede". Since there is no trademarked fabric by that name, he > clearly did not want to share the secret. What we need is to do a little > sleuthing. What do you say? With a few sample "newsuede" bags and an > industry expert on contemporary synthetic suede products we should be able > to identify the stuff... > > I understand the impulse of business people to guard their successful > recipe(s), however it's never been my way. I find the more I give away, the > more comes back to me. > > Daniel > ---------- > > From: David C Leberknight > > To: sewing@footbag.org > > Subject: [sewing] "new" material? > > Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:03 PM > > > > Hola! > > > > Does anyone know the name of the "new" (not facile) freestyle material? > > Where can it be purchased? > > Thanks. > > (I hate to see my multi-panel bags wear out so quickly. > > I want the next one I make to be durable!) > > > > -Dave > > > > ................... > > David C Leberknight > > ................... > > footbag@sprynet.com > > ................... > > -- ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 05:27:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA24880 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 05:27:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f Message-ID: <35F21F62.A7B8B988@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:36:34 -0600 From: David C Leberknight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dbotkin@valinet.com, sewing@footbag.org Subject: Re: [sewing] "new" material? References: <199809060412.AAA15733@mbs.valinet.com> <35F21DDE.14D9E8AD@sprynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Dan and list, I didn't mean to say with my last posting that I'm against sleuthing. In fact, I'm all for it! The problem is that I've already been to every fabric store that I know of and haven't had any luck. I'm afraid that I don't know any industry experts :( -Dave David C Leberknight wrote: > If nobody on the sewing list knows the true name of the "new" material, then I > suggest that we ask the footbag community at large, as a group, saying "we the > sewers want to know!" Who else wants to know? Are Daniel and I alone? Or > does every bag-sewer worth his/her salt want to make sweet freestyle bags that > are durable too?!?! > > By the way, I found a "new" material Adidas bag, 32 panels, at a local sporting > good store, retail, for only $8 !!! Pretty nice bag :-) It's hard to compete > with that. Good thing I don't try to make my living sewing (anymore). > > -Dave > > Daniel Botkin wrote: > > > David and sewing list, > > > > 2 1/2 years ago Jim (Toes) Fitzgerald identified it to me (with a wink) > > only as "newsuede". Since there is no trademarked fabric by that name, he > > clearly did not want to share the secret. What we need is to do a little > > sleuthing. What do you say? With a few sample "newsuede" bags and an > > industry expert on contemporary synthetic suede products we should be able > > to identify the stuff... > > > > I understand the impulse of business people to guard their successful > > recipe(s), however it's never been my way. I find the more I give away, the > > more comes back to me. > > > > Daniel > > ---------- > > > From: David C Leberknight > > > To: sewing@footbag.org > > > Subject: [sewing] "new" material? > > > Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:03 PM > > > > > > Hola! > > > > > > Does anyone know the name of the "new" (not facile) freestyle material? > > > Where can it be purchased? > > > Thanks. > > > (I hate to see my multi-panel bags wear out so quickly. > > > I want the next one I make to be durable!) > > > > > > -Dave > > > > > > ................... > > > David C Leberknight > > > ................... > > > footbag@sprynet.com > > > ................... > > > > > -- > ................... > David C Leberknight > ................... > footbag@sprynet.com > ................... -- ................... David C Leberknight ................... footbag@sprynet.com ................... From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 14:15:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id OAA13883 for sewing-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:15:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f Message-Id: <199809061415.KAA45364@pilot003.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [sewing] the kiwi's thoughts. . . . To: sewing@majordomo.footbag.org (Distribution List) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Kiwi, What do you mean by a "Twisted" bag? Are you talking about the 32-panel swirl design, or the four panel crazy thing that I can't really describe, where none of the panels are over a few mm thick? -Big Toe Tom From owner-sewing@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 7 02:52:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA29282 for sewing-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:52:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-sewing using -f Message-Id: <199809070252.WAA20051@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: "David C Leberknight" , Subject: Re: [sewing] "new" material? Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:00:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sewing@footbag.org Dave and list, The footbag community at large may be generally supportive of the concept of disseminating the best quality material to all the serious sewers of sack product. However, the "community at large" doesn't know the i.d. of the stuff. Flying Clipper and Jim F. or Jim and whoever else is in charge know what it is and I believe we'd need to approach them. I'm not principled against doing that, but I am not particularly optimistic they'd reveal it. Dan ---------- > From: David C Leberknight > To: dbotkin@valinet.com; sewing@footbag.org > Subject: Re: [sewing] "new" material? > Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 1:36 AM > > Dan and list, > > I didn't mean to say with my last posting that I'm against sleuthing. In fact, I'm > all for it! The problem is that I've already been to every fabric store that I > know of and haven't had any luck. I'm afraid that I don't know any industry > experts :( > > -Dave > > David C Leberknight wrote: > > > If nobody on the sewing list knows the true name of the "new" material, then I > > suggest that we ask the footbag community at large, as a group, saying "we the > > sewers want to know!" Who else wants to know? Are Daniel and I alone? Or > > does every bag-sewer worth his/her salt want to make sweet freestyle bags that > > are durable too?!?! > > > > By the way, I found a "new" material Adidas bag, 32 panels, at a local sporting > > good store, retail, for only $8 !!! Pretty nice bag :-) It's hard to compete > > with that. Good thing I don't try to make my living sewing (anymore). > > > > -Dave > > > > Daniel Botkin wrote: > > > > > David and sewing list, > > > > > > 2 1/2 years ago Jim (Toes) Fitzgerald identified it to me (with a wink) > > > only as "newsuede". Since there is no trademarked fabric by that name, he > > > clearly did not want to share the secret. What we need is to do a little > > > sleuthing. What do you say? With a few sample "newsuede" bags and an > > > industry expert on contemporary synthetic suede products we should be able > > > to identify the stuff... > > > > > > I understand the impulse of business people to guard their successful > > > recipe(s), however it's never been my way. I find the more I give away, the > > > more comes back to me. > > > > > > Daniel > > > ---------- > > > > From: David C Leberknight > > > > To: sewing@footbag.org > > > > Subject: [sewing] "new" material? > > > > Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:03 PM > > > > > > > > Hola! > > > > > > > > Does anyone know the name of the "new" (not facile) freestyle material? > > > > Where can it be purchased? > > > > Thanks. > > > > (I hate to see my multi-panel bags wear out so quickly. > > > > I want the next one I make to be durable!) > > > > > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > > ................... > > > > David C Leberknight > > > > ................... > > > > footbag@sprynet.com > > > > ................... > > > > > > > > -- > > ................... > > David C Leberknight > > ................... > > footbag@sprynet.com > > ................... > > > > -- > ................... > David C Leberknight > ................... > footbag@sprynet.com > ................... >